The reward for help in finding a serial killer lurking the streets of a Tampa, Florida, neighborhood is growing as police mounted on horses patrol the area in an effort to prevent a 5th killing. WFLA-TV reporter Meredyth Censullo updates Nancy Grace on the case. She is joined by crime scene investigator Sheryl McCollum,, Chicago psychologist Dr. Tiffany Sanders and RadarOnline reporter Alexis Tereszcuk. Who killed a Texas college student, who police say was killed as she sat in her car at an empty north Texas parking on early Sunday? Grace and her panel discuss the case of 21-year-old Amanda Clairmont. Charles Manson's questionable soul has left his body, but there's controversy over what happens next for the cult leader's worldly remains. Nancy and friends discuss the possibilities.
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Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel one thirty two. Tampa police on the hunt for a killer after the shooting gats of three people in ten days. We will hunt this son of a down until we find the three victims gunned down less than half a mile apart. Tampa's mayor doing what he can to reassure the public so that they've added a thousand street lights to the Seminal Heights neighborhood and that they won't stop until that killer is caught. Nobody comes into our house and does this not now, Not ever. Authorities poring over, bringing surveillance video for clues, looking at this person of interest walking alone, wearing a hood on the night of the first killing. I need that Seminar Heights community to stand up and I need them to point out who that man is. You guys, go hunt him down and bring his head to me. After the Tampa Cereal killer claims another victim. Now, police actually going through this street eats on mounted patrol, trying to protect the innocent and stop the serial killer who has been stalking the city, paralyzing the city. Why why can't this guy be caught? He doesn't murder for so far, shoots the person dead in public and walks away. He doesn't even run. Why can't he be caught? I Meancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. With me investigative reporter Meridison Soulo on the scene in Tampa. W f L A, Alexis Torez, Chuck Radar Online investigative reporter Cheryl McCullum, director of the Cold Case Institute, and Dr Tiffany Sanders, renowned psychologists, joining us out of Chicago. First to Meridison Sulo with w f l A in Tampa. Meredith police are now walking the streets seven un mounted horse explained, that's right. This is the latest development in terms of police saturation of the area. Mounted patrols added to the streets over the weekend. They will be visible for the next several weeks. We now have the cruisers from Florida Highway Patrol supplementing along with all of the other agencies, both national and local, that have been canvassing the area searching for this serial killer. Just over the weekend, the fourth victim, Ronald Felton, sixty years old, was laid to rest. He was murdered on November, the fourth victim these murders stretching back to October ninth, and right now there is a one hundred thousand dollar reward for information that can lead to the capture of this killer. Tampa Police telling me more than eleven hundred tips have come in so far, but right now they're just working off of that one witness description that they have, as well as surveillance camera video from the night of the first and fourth murders. That fourth murder of Ronald Felton showing what appears to be a hall slender African American or light skinned African American um person scene at the scene, scene running from the scene. We do know that all four victims were killed with gunshots, most likely from behind. This person is sneaking up on their victims. It is believed that the killer is from the Seminal Heights area because of the ease in which this person has been able to escape the crime scenes and hide out, and again this area is completely saturated. The night of the fourth murder, there were law enforcement officers just seconds away, and that's what is leading investigators to believe that this person is right under our noses. But no one is coming forward with information, so this reward keeps going up, hoping that someone will crack and someone will provide tips. But right now, I think this community just feels like it's a waiting game for the next murder. There was about a one month gap in between the third and for the murders, and people sort of seemed to relax a little bit. But but now it's when is this person going to strike? When is this going to happen again? And it's very likely because we still don't have anyone being questioned and held as a suspect in these murders. You know, this last victim, as Meredith, Sincelo was telling us, has been laid to rest in the last hours. He is remembered as a quote superman of service. He was gunned down by the Tampa serial killer, targeting that same Seminole Heights neighborhood, and he was just remembered in the last hours by family and friends gathered around his casket draped with white flowers and violent ribbons attached a blanket of flowers, and he was hailed as caring, caring for other people. The supervi so at a food bank was there and he said, I was a supervisor, but he was the one in charge. Everybody came to him, everybody looked up to him. Felton has a twin brother, Reggie, who says, if you have a heart, please turn yourself in. That's all we want. I can tell you right now, this guy is not going to turn himself in. I know that for a fact. You know what's interesting to alexis Terrescho joining me along with Meredistin Sulo and Dr Tiffany Sanders and Sheryl McCollum Alexa's Many people have argued or hypothesized that because there was a delay before the last killing, that there is no pattern, But I disagree with that. I think that many serial killers have weeks or even longer delays between murders. You're absolutely right, they do. And the thing is that this guy, he only waited a month and I chose, and they the police have actually said that the second murder and this this latest one, the fourth one, are connected. So the of three weeks between at the month, that's that's not a big gap. This guy is still out for blood, and I think that it's very scary that it's happening right in the neighborhood at the bus stop, and it's it's a deliberate target that he's picking. You know that. That gives me a question. Meredith in Ceulo joining us on the s w f l A in Tampa. Meredith, this last victim that was gunned down, was he getting off a bus or did he drive and park? We know he did not drive. Um. He was known to um use a bike in that area when he would go to and from the food bank. His bike was actually located at the food bank there chained up UM. But he may have been going to meet someone at the bus stop. From a witness account, he was walking across the road back towards the food bank when he was shot and killed. We also know that he had been on the phone with a brother of his who was coming to meet him at the food bank, and that brother was writing a bus to get there, So there is certainly a bus stop connection. There are multiple bus stops along this stretch of roadway as far as we know, though he was walking in the middle of the road, either to or from the other side of the road, perhaps a bus stop, but it sounds like he was going to meet someone rather than take that actual bus himself because his bike was found at the FEAT. You know, Dr Tiffany Sanders, psychologist joining us out of Chicago. It's so hard to take in that one moment your life is fine, and literally the next moment it's changed forever. And I've talked about this many times with Alexis and Cheryl Tiffany I Will. I'm thinking of it right now. The day that I walked into a statistics exam and I came out of the exam in an de grad and the sky was blue and the sun was shining, and I was happy and it was beautiful. I remember that. And I was walking across campus and paused at the student union to call the library where I worked, to tell them my exam and run thirty minutes twenty minutes long, and I was en route and they told me to call my fiance sister. And I knew right then that Keith was dead. I just knew, and he was. He had been murdered, and that changed the course of events for the rest of my life. And I don't like to think back on it. And and just recently, and I've talked a lot to Alexis Cinsure all about this, um everything was fine at what where everybody's getting ready for Thanksgiving, and my dad had some congestion in his lungs and they want him to go in the hospital. And I'm the one that encouraged him to go in the hospital. And I don't know why they did this. A flooded his body with fluids to make his kidney work better, and he essentially drowned in the congestion in his lungs. And one day everything was fine, and the next day my dad was gone. And I'm thinking about these victims families. We now have four dead people. It's so much worse, Dr Tiffany, when it's violent crime. I can't really explain it. It's not only do you have to deal with the loss of the one you love the most your world, but then you have to deal with the fact that someone intentionally did this thing for no reason random. It's just it's almost too much to take in. Dr Tiffany Sanders. Yeah, Nancy, it's it's so heartbreaking to hear your story about your your fiance and your dad, and and just to think about anyone who is a victim of violent crime and one where you lose your loved when the grief is overwhelming, the anger, the stration, uh, you know, wishing that you could go back in time and and redo that chain of events that may have led up to that killing. Um, maybe tell your brother, hey, don't go that way, or go this way, or don't take that bus route. And if these should have would have could have played up playing your head all day long, and it it causes more anxiety, it can lead to depression. And you can't stop because someone insisted on taking another person's life and they had no right to do that. Their lack of empathy, their lack of remorse because even after the first or second killing, they know the pain that the loved ones are going through, yet they still decide to commit this level of crime, this violent act. And so you have to wonder what type of person will do that in broad daylight or come up from behind an innocent person who cannot defend themselves. So it's it's egregious, it's heartbreaking. Um, it's horrific to know. And I hope that the police do get this person because he's he's causing domestic terrorism in the minds of people. He is paralyzing the community. And also Dr Tiffany and I'll say this to you, Meredith, Meredith Sinculo joining us from w f L A Tampa TV. Meredith, the thing is that now I'm afraid people are going to, just as they did before, get lulled into a sense of complacency. Because this whole thing started October nine when a young guy, twenty two year old Benjamin Mitchell shot dead. Two days later saying it was a serial killer, yet thirty two year old Monica Hoffa shot dead. She was the one that was the apple of her parents. I her mom's death and she would interpret for her mother. October nineteen to see time pass, Just a little bit of time passes, there not much. Anthony Neboa, twenty years old, killed after he took the wrong bus home from his new job. He just happened to be in the Seminal Heights area. Now a month passes and Ronald Felton is gunned down, and in those few weeks, people were lulled into a sense of complacency. I don't want that to happen again, Meredith. Right, you know what's what's interesting and sad. At the same time as in that three and a half weeks um people did start to go on as if Okay, this is done. They actually painted a giant mural in honor of the first three victims, thinking this is it, you know, let's remember these people. And that mural was not finished more than a day or two when this fourth murder happened. Um, and that's that's that's really sad. I don't know what's the killer seeing this and and thought, hey, wait a minute, I'm I'm still here, you know, Or was there some reason why he couldn't get back out on the streets and and and commit another crime. And in that three and a half weeks, we just don't know. Well I know this, I guarantee you he is sitting back watching all of the coverage, probably listening to this on Serious X two. Take a listen to what the police chief has to say. If you recall, this was the video, noticed the the hoodie or rain jacket, noticed the gate, and how they're walking, the phone flip, and how they're nonchalantly just walking. Appears to be looking at his phone. It appears to be a light color jacket. I think that's very misleading. You see it here. It now looks a little bit of a color, darker colored jacket. Same individual. We originally called him someone we wanted to talk to. It went to a person of interest. Today, we're gonna call the same individual a suspect, and you're gonna see why. In just a moment yesterday morning, November, moments before the homicide, same gate, same walk, Maybe not the same jacket, definitely a hoodie. I repeat, we're now calling this person a suspect, and we need to know who this person is. We need someone who is thoughtful, cares and has the heart and the fortitude and the bravery to step forward and tell us who this person is and give us the identity. I don't need speculation, we don't need profiles, we need names. It's pretty simple. All you have to do is called crime Stoppers at one eight hundred eight seven three tips. We know this, we know the reward for information on these four deadly shootings has now skyrocketed to a hundred and ten thousand dollars. Please go to crime online dot com, where we have posted all the information, the tip lines, as well as the two videos. I still don't understand why police are not connecting all four when it's clearly the same person. But we've got too connected as of right now. 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Now Amanda Claremont absolutely gorgeous. She she looks like a model. Her dream was to become a makeup artist, and she had just created a new Instagram account that showed off all of her work before she was found murdered in a vacant parking lot in Corinth. Now to Alexis Torres Chuck joining me writer on online dot com and John Limley Crime Stories investigative reporter. What do we know? To you, Alexis to res Chuck, what do we know about this area, Corinth It's about thirty miles north of Dallas. It is it's a small town, seventeen thousand people really, just tiny little town north of Dallas. And she was well known, she had lots of family. Her brother said that, you know, it said Saturday afternoon, she'd been out with her friends, and then they didn't hear from her at all until the police on her body at six o'clock in the morning on Sunday. Now you're telling me the time of death was the afternoon, Alexis. You said Saturday afternoon, the last time that they heard from her. Her brother said she'd been out with her friends on a Saturday afternoon, because that's when you talked to her. You know, it's just a warm Sunday in Texas on a Saturday. Well, this town, to John Limley Crime Stories contributing reporter, is kind of like a sleeper, a bedroom community. It's um as Alexis to rest Chuck was just telling us, just a few miles north of Dallas. It's about seventeen twenty one thousand people, a very low crime rate. She had just posted on Twitter follow my new makeup Instagram account and support my work. Please. Now they find her, you go ahead tell me what you know. Well, as as you were saying, Amanda Claremont, twenty one year old student, she fit in perfectly in this little town, a college student who people say was nice to everyone. She was dead in a parking lot in this tiny Texas town. And this is the first murder there in nearly two decades. Uh. Con my stars, I didn't know that, John Limley. Absolutely, it had been quite some time. Corinth Police say that she was found shot inside her car, and this was a vacant parking lot off of an interstate. They found her Sunday morning. As has been mentioned, she was pronounced dead at the scene. Um, back to the town, the didn't This town is in Denton County. Uh, and it's really close to the University of North Texas where Claremont was a senior and she was majoring in religious studies. She's just a beautiful young girl, and apparently beautiful on the inside and the outside. Now what is interesting to me, John Limley. Her car headlights were still on and the passenger side door was still open. Passenger side door open. The fact that her lights were on. Tell me that she either drove her car there or her car was driven there, car jacked, whatever, when it was still dark. Now the brother her brother last heard from her in the afternoon. We think the late afternoon. Now you have to take into account, as Jackie's pointing out right here, it hadn't been long because the battery had not run down yet and the lights were still on. And I think about this all the time, Alexis terres shut. You've got your little boy, the twins. I don't know why they do it. I'm driving them around in a minivan, even in daylight. They'll be playing in the back of the minivan and they'll turn on the side lights, and you know, I'll bring them in and I happen to go out to get the dog or to do this or that. It will be, you know, eleven o'clock at night. I see the lights on in the back of the van. I'm like, oh, dear Lord in Heaven, I've got to get jumped off. But no, the lights are still on, so I guess the car is okay. Then lights were still on, Alexis, and the passenger side door was open, not the driver's side. The passenger side. And another question I have, and I know you don't know the answer to this one because it hasn't been released yet. It says a vacant parking lot. Now does that mean we're at a Walmart but nobody's there, or is it just one of those like dirt lots where people park. Uh, why was it vacant? And was it near a mall or a store or just kind of out in the middle of nowhere. That's going to reflect that's gonna give me clues, Alexis as to who the killer is. And that's the thing that's so scary. When they say a vacant parking lot, it might mean that there are no cameras around to capture it, but it is it's the middle of the you know, the night, the sun is just coming up, and she's found shot multiple times. The in fact, when when she was first found, police wouldn't even release how many times that she had been shot. And so she was just there in the driver's seat, passenger door wide open, abandoned with our lights on. Just that's just a scary thought that this this girl who was just out with her friends hours earlier, could be found abandoned in a parking lot. Nobody cared enough to do anything to help her, you know. Uh, John Limley, Crime Stories contributing reporter, I've dug a little bit on her, and I learned that, as you told me, she was a senior at University of North Texas. But I also learned that she was raised in Sandwich, Illinois, and moved to Texas about ten years ago after her mother passed away with cancer. So she is what twenty four now? Her mom passed away when she was just ten years old. She attended high school in Frisco, and that she she was extremely popular and was known for her hair and makeup, always looking beautiful. That was her thing. Right now, Lucy's thing is guinea pigs and gymnastics. Okay, now I can't even I don't even know where to go with that. Said, I can tell you I'm the one cleaning their pin out, all right, So we'll just go with that. Alexas, see what you got to look forward to. So I'm trying to get an idea about this girl. John Linley with me, Alexis torres Chuck with me. Dr Tiffany Sanders with me, Hey hold on, John, Dr Tiffany. I always think about Okay, don't laugh. I think about Madonna because you know, Madonna's mother passed away when she I think was about ten years old, and from that point on she didn't get along with her dad. They're all sorts of issues, and it it gave her a lot of pain. Two, lose your parents, your mother at tan What does that do to someone? Dr Tiffany, Well, you know your your mom. Your parents essentially are your first teachers, they're your first caregivers. They're they're the one who who helped guide you through life. Unfortunately, to lose your mother at such a young age, it can it can throw you off track, it can devastate you. It can cause you have a lot of anger, resentment, and and for this young lady, she doesn't seem like that was the case. She was loved by everyone. The photos of her, she's beautiful, she was studying religious studies. So it makes it more heartbreaking to know that this is a young lady who was on a good path in life, who left everyone and was just snuffed out from under us for no apparent reason. It's just tragic. Dancy and another thing, um John lonely, a young girl who had already gone through so much, losing a parent, relocating, starting over. Those are hard things that for adults to go through. It's certainly is and and the friends of Amanda say that she was on the perfect career path for this young woman, that not only was she beautiful, but she could make other people beautiful with hair and makeup. Of One former classmate said that her look was very unique, that you did not mistake Amanda for anyone else um. Amanda was a senior at the University of North Texas, and the president there released a statement last week saying that their hearts are heavy and the news of the tragic loss of her life has really uh impacted the campus in a way unimaginable to many people. Claremont's brother, UH David actually turned to Twitter on the day of his sister's murder after her body was discovered, and uh let everyone know that this was an important life that had been stolen from not only the family but the friends as well, and the way to have her live on is to never stop loving those family and friends around you, and he ended saying, I love you, Amanda. I have an idea. I have an idea, Alex number one. I'm getting a little bit more information that Jackie managed to get through one of her sources. The car was part up against a fence with the lights on. The passenger door opened up against a fence, So that's giving me a clue about the parking lot. It was a legitimate parking lot, lots and just dirt area. Uh, it was a legitimate parking lot, but they're not. I don't get a good location. I do know this. It was off Interstate thirty five East in Denton County. I know that UM officers had stopped to check the car she was in after seeing it part in a vacant lot. It was along the block of a highway service road. That's an access road. You know what that says to me. That says to me, You know those little roads and go on the side of an interstate and there might be businesses or just open land there. Somebody had to know about that access road. You kind of have to know how to get back in there. It's just north of Corinth Parkway. And we also know that there is a tip line. I think that the way to find this person is to figure out where she was and go back through the last twenty four hours of her life. If she was out with friends the afternoon before. Who were they, where were they are there surveillance ideas, just as just say she was at a t G. I for ideas. I'm just pulling that out of the sky. They asked surveillance video. Who was she with, who did she leave with? Where did they go? Did that place have a surveillance video? Unless she was carjacked at a red light? She was with somebody, Alexis, And there are clues left behind Alexis, And that's what the police need to be looking at. They need to find out who she was with. And that's what the brother said. She was out with a group of friends. Maybe these weren't exactly friends of hers. But the fact that you know, they didn't hear from her for hours and hours, and that she disappeared all night long and nobody sang they were trying to call her, They didn't sing, her cell phone wasn't working or anything like that. So maybe they weren't that worried about her because they knew who she was with. This is what I know now. The search for the killer of this beautiful girl goes on. This young girl, a man to Claremont with her life before her already overcoming so many obstacles, was shot dead tipline nine four zero four eight to zero one seven. Again we are following this and bring you the latest at crime online dot com. 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You know, just last week I was talking about a go fund me for um, a guy whose son was shot and the vet in the church shooting, the Summerville, Texas church shooting. And then, believe it or not, Alexis his house burned down. He had nothing but the shirt on his back. Um. Now there somebody started to go fund me to raise money for Charles Manson. Alexis, tell me about the go fund me please. So it's this guy who is actually remaining anonymous right now. But he claims he's been a pen pile Alexis. He claims he's been a penpile Charles Manson's for about twenty years now. And he's set up the go fund the page, and he said, you know, Charles Manson deserves a be a proper burial. I believe it was the exact thing. And and he's going to have a headstone and people can either come and grow eve or deface it, is what he said. So he wanted to actually raise money, and he did. He raised about a thousand dollars. People donated. Oh my goodness, people are actually donating money. Okay, this is about the funeral expenses notorious cult leader Charles Manson. Now we have information that that person is actually a friend of Charles Manson's grandson, Jason Freeman. That's what we've been told, um, and I have reason to believe that that is true. Already raised a thousand bucks, according to news Alas in New York to pay the legal travel and burial fees from Manson's body. Now right now, the body is being held at the current county corners. That's what we know so far. Let me ask you something to dr Tiffany Sanders. And you know, Cheryl, I'm I'm really want to hear about evidence because you know that's all I care about outside the twins. But Dr Tiffany Sanders, You've got to help me now, Guys, Dr Tiffany Sanders are psychologists, very well known psychologists as a matter of fact, out of Chicago. Why would anyone attach themselves now to Charles Manson to try to stage some sort of elaborate funeral for him? Explained that thinking if you can dare to crawl into that nuts head, right, most of us that are of same I wouldn't even want to be connected with a serial killer at who had who committed these egregious crimes. But there are a group of people who really seek out fames, who seek out notoriety, who want to be connected with individuals like him, and so they are fueling their own self interest uh later leading to some opportunity for fame and recognition and for us who are saying, we're like, you know what, get this creep out of here, burying him not even six ft twelve feet under, or acerate his body. But there are some individuals who would just rather stay connected and keep this man uh life and and his beliefs and his his actions still live. It's ridiculous, you know, it's very interesting about this guy, um, Cheryl McCallum, I want you to hear this and get your take on it. This guy that allegedly has been raising money for an elaborate funeral for Charles Manson said it is his family obligation to take Manson's body. He Freeman, guy raising the money, I think his name is Jason Freeman, says that are you ready that he will not sit back and let them, I don't know who them is, throw Charles Manson away like trash. He says, it's gonna be a lot of money, but there are people that want to contribute. He also says, Cheryl McCullum that he has next of Ken's status, and he says, in addition to not letting them throw Manson away like trash, he says, Manson's whole life he lived with the pain of feeling the pain of feeling unclaimed, and we mus must not let this happen in death. Together, we can help Jason bring his grandfather home and prove to the world Charles Manson was loved and will be claimed Okay, now, hold on, hold on, now, this is what I'm getting out of Vibe. You know the website Vibe. Now there's more to it. Freeman is the son of Charles Manson Jr. Okay, it was Charles Manson's only known child with his wife Rosalie, who of course divorced him. Now it also says the notorious killer later had two other sons. I did not know that about Charles Manson. Now Freeman's father who was behind this fundraising activity. His father actually changed his name to try to get away from his connection to Charles Manson, but then later committed suicide. So Charles Manson's son and namesake committed suicide, and now his grandson reportedly is behind raising money for some staging some sort of a memorial or funeral for Charles Manson. Cheryl McCollum, what about that? First and foremost, anytime I hear Charles Manson and family in the same thing, if I get a little creep out. Second of all, my concern is going to be the folks that craved this murderabilia. What are they actually gonna do? I mean, Nancy, there are people that will buy brands of hair. There were people that will buy anything connected to this man. And I'm just confirmed that now that we don't have Son of Sam laws anymore, that they may be actually trying to turn a profit. Now, how could they do that? Could they do that by if they claimed his body? And I am hypothesizing here. They haven't said this, but if they claimed his body, they could get locks of his hair, they could get everything belonging to him. And I've worked for a long time with a friend of mine named Andy Khan. Do you remember him, Cheryl mcconomy And yeah, and he is out of the Houston Mayor Victims Rights Office, and he actually inspired me. Andy Kahn did to write chapters in my first book, Objection about murder Rebellia. I titled it blood Money where people actually get a killer's Okay, I almost had to say this, but it's the truth. Toe clippings where they cut their toe, nails, their hair and whatever can be connected to them, a stamp that they licked, anything, and they think how thick this could get. For example, if they give him and he's an open casket, take ticket, take it self with Charlie. Okay, Cheryl, thank you for that thought. Okay, I'm gonna have that in my hand. Actually, I'm gonna try to picture your face and not mine. Leaned over Manson's casket getting a selfie. Okay, but you know the reality is doctor's Tiffany Sanders as bizarre. Is that sounds It's actually possible. You know the idea of people taking pictures with the body, hair, tonail clipping, you know, the need for any of this memorabilia to sit on their mantle in their home. Uh, it's just in the it's the doctor. Stop at a picture. Absolutely discuss with a selfie with Charles Manson and his casket. Oh, stop it, stop it, stop it. Bragging rights for Nancy, that is just bragging rights. These are what people want to Look what I have? Look what you? Look what I have? Come over my house again? Attention seeking the idea that this can generate attention to the thing for them, that's what they're seeking after Alexis torrestuck right online dot Com. Alexis murderabilia has happened so many times in the past. Now this is a good thing. Now to correct me if I'm wrong, Alexis go funny stopped pull the plug on the fundraising side set up to help Manson and help his grandson travel and burial expenses or whoever was behind it after the thousand dollars. But now they've turned to fundraising on PayPal. Oh, Alexis helped me. You're right, they did go fund me shut it down. They actually have a pretty good gravitation for cutting out the gross stuff go fund me does, but they persisted. And the guy is now trying to raise money on PayPal asking for this, but only has ten days. He's really running up against a time limit here. He's got about I think Google want two days left. So if he doesn't get this money hopefully well, the process is the prison will cremate Manson's body, so there will not be any chances for selfies with Charles Manson. So I mean unless it's claimed. Unless it is claimed. Now catch this what does this mean, Alexis, and tell me this is true or not. I understand that the grandson, Jason free and never got the chance to meet Manson before he died after decades behind bars, but he said he tried to visit Manson in prison when his when Manson was having some type of guest show intestinal problems back in January, but Manson refused to meet his own grandson. What what's that all about? Is that true, Alexis You're exactly right. The grandson was never able to meet Manson, and he did try. This year was the first, one of the first times Manson ever left the prison. He was rushed to the hospital in January and January six and had some guest strow intestinal issues. We actually thought this was the end. Ever, everybody thought this was the end of Manson was not going to make it. He lasted, you know, another miserable eleven months, and so the grandson has never met him. He tried, Manson refused, and he still still wants to get his grandfather's body and keeps talking about how he wants to do things the right way for this man who was the mastermind behind one of the worst slaughters in American history. Just such a dark, evil crime. Sheryl mc callum, their grandson says, quote, if we can't raise money with go frond me, we'll find another way. It will definitely be a group effort. It's not just one person. It's a lot of people holding hands. Okay, you know what. While they're holding hands and singing kumbay yah and trying to stage elaborate funeral for Charles Manson. Can you refresh our recollection, Cheryl McCullum, and tell me what happened tonight That Sharon take was slaughter? Oh lord, Nancy, those crimecing photographs of anybody has had a chance to see them. You have this young, beautiful woman who is eight months pregnant, and you know these killers go into her house and literally slaughter her um. And so let me just go back a second, because I think this was what it's really bothering me about this whole go fund me and proper burial and things they're claiming. Again, there's a reason they don't won't him cremated, They won't that body. And I'm telling you it's for profit, it's for gain. It has nothing to do with their belief system. It is, i'm telling you, monetary. And you know, my gut feeling tells me somebody's gonna come forward like a Maryland Mainson, and they're gonna come up with the money and they're gonna do something horrific like put that casket and him in their movie videos. I'm just telling you it's gonna be something sinister. Just like his life, his death is gonna be no different. It's gonna be appalling, and it's gonna be pathetic, and it's gonna be deliberate, and once again the victims are lost here. I mean, nobody talks about Sharon Take anymore. Everybody now that's talking about him. And you know, to me, as much as we can shut all of it down, you know what, I'm thinking about what you're saying, Cheryl, And I'm thinking about if you want your grandparents or if you don't want Charles Manson's remains, why don't you want them cremate? If why don't you want them in and earn? Why can't you claim them after a cremation Unless what you just said is true. I mean, I don't know this, but I'm wondering what he wants to do with the body, Cheryl. Well, there's no question, I mean to me, means it's gonna become one of those sectives if they bury this man and they put a huge team soone somewhere, it's going to be where those types of followers, people that um the hells are skills groups that are still you know, activate and things like that. They're going there and they'll play the piece of Dad's gone, and they'll gather on his birthday, and they'll gather on the day that he died, and it's gonna be one of those cult followings that we can't stop. What needs to happen, in my opinion is he should be cremated, and you know, the family can do whatever they want with the ashes, but you know we should be scattered wearing yon where nobody has to place where they can go to and and and give him any more publicity than he deserves. Well, Cheryl, what I'm thinking about is the slaughter, the horrible slaughter of those innocent people and the baby that was just days away from being born, and them writing on the walls with the victims blood. That That's what I'm remembering. And I don't want to see Charles Manson glorified except in hell, of course. I want to take this moment and thank our partner for making our program possible today, and it is Circle Circle Circle with Disney. 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