What should you do if you think you are being stalked? Nancy Grace assembles a experts to discuss how four women were murdered by stalkers despite desperate efforts to get protection. Her guests in this Crime Stories episode include Ron Rale, a Los Angeles lawyer specializes in restraining orders, California prosecutor Wendy Patrick, New York psychologist Caryn Stark, forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan, and the DailyMail.com's Sean Walsh.




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Nancy Grace dives deep into the day’s most shocking crimes and asks the tough questions in her new daily podcast – Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Nancy Grace had a perfect conviction record during her decade as a prosecutor and used her TV show to find missing people, fugitives on the run and unseen clues. Now, she will use the power of her huge social media following and the immediacy of the internet to deliver daily bombshells!

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Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

Nancy Grace dives deep into the day’s most shocking crimes and asks the tough questions in her new daily podcast – Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Nancy Grace had a perfect conviction record during her decade as a prosecutor and used her TV show to find missing people, fugitives on the run and unseen clues. Now, she will use the power of her huge social media following and the immediacy of the internet to deliver daily bombshells!

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What should you do if you think you are being stalked? Nancy Grace assembles a experts to discuss how four women were murdered by stalkers despite desperate efforts to get protection. Her guests in this Crime Stories episode include Ron Rale, a Los Angeles lawyer specializes in restraining orders, California prosecutor Wendy Patrick, New York psychologist Caryn Stark, forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan, and the DailyMail.com's Sean Walsh.

STALKING IS NOT ROMANTIC: 4 women murdered by love-obsessed stalkers 

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When Lindsay Clancy’s third child is born, her recovery seems to be different.  

The 32-year-old reaches out to her parents and her in-laws to help her manage the children and things around the home. Her husband, Patrick Clancy sets up a home office in the basement to work remotely, so he can be on hand to help. When Lindsay starts to have thoughts of suicide, and worse, hurting the children, she checks herself into the McLean Psychiatric Hospital, 

Five days after checking into a psychiatric hospital Lindsay Clancy is reportedly told she doesn't have postpartum depression. Husband Patrick Clancy tells friends that after her hospital stay, Lindsay seems to be getting better. She is sleeping better, interacting with friends and family, and going out in public without any difficulty. When Patrick Clancy asks his wife if she is having any suicidal thoughts, Lindsay Clancy says "No."   

Later on in the year, with his wife having been prescribed at least 13 different medications, Patrick Clancy texts a friend saying he’s concerned that Lindsey has been prescribed too many medications. Patrick allegedly told friends that he worried she was suffering “the worst side effects possible” from one of her prescriptions. He says he thinks she is going through benzodiazepine withdrawal.   

On a Tuesday afternoon Lindsay Clancy sends a text to her husband to pick up takeout.  As Patrick Clancy leaves to pick up dinner, Lindsay sends him a text to stop off by the drugstore and pick up some medicine for the children.  

Patrick Clancy stops by the drug store to pick up the medication but gets confused as to exactly which medicine to buy. He calls Lindsay Clancy on the phone, but she doesn't answer. She calls back a minute later.

Patrick says she sounded like she was in the middle of something. Lindsay answers his question about the medication and Patrick picks it up and heads to  3V to get their dinner.  When Patrick Clancy comes home, he’s met with silence.

He finds his wife in the backyard. She had jumped out of a second-floor window after slitting her wrists. The children are in the basement,  strangled, an exercise band still wound around their necks.  

Investigators revealed in court papers that Lindsay Clancy allegedly researched "ways to kill" before the deaths of her three children.    Now Lindsay Clancy,  paralyzed after her second-floor fall, is on trial for three counts each of murder and strangulation. 

The trial has been emotional so far. Ex-husband, Patrick Clancy, served as the state's first witness. He details her deteriorating mental health leading up to the tragedy but noted that she appeared to be having "one of her best days" just hours before the event.   The court played the emotional, impounded 911 audio recorded when Patrick returned home to discover his wife on the ground outside and his children strangled in the basement.  Police officers, firefighters, and emergency room doctors gave gut-wrenching testimony.  The jurors then completed a rare site visit to the former family home in Duxbury, as well as the local CVS and restaurant Patrick visited on the evening of the killings.

The trial continues this week.

Joining Nancy Grace today:
Josh Kolsrud - Criminal Defense Attorney and Former Assistant U.S. Attorney, Founder of Kolsrud Law Offices, Co-Host of the Podcast: "No Contest", website: kolsrudlawoffices.com, Facebook and YouTube @KolsrudLawOffices 
Dr. Catherine Birndorf, MD - Reproductive Psychiatrist and Postpartum Expert.  Co-Founder, CEO, Medical Director at The Motherhood Center of New York.  Former board member at Postpartum Support International, Founding Director of the Payne Whitney Women’s Program at Weill Cornell Medicine – New York-Presbyterian Hospital. Author: "What No One Tells You: A Guide to Your Emotions from Pregnancy to Motherhood"  and "The Nine Rooms of Happiness: Loving Your Life, Finding Your Purpose, and Getting Over Life’s Little Imperfections 
Claudia King  - Former Law Enforcement Officer, Domestic Violence Expert; Host  "No Contest" and "Strong Enough," www.claudiamking.com, @realclaudiaking 
Dr. Kendall Crowns - Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth), Host of the Podcast "Mayhem in the Morgue", Lecturer: Burnett School of Medicine at TCU (Texas Christian University) Shannon Hill (NYC) Host, Shannon Hill News on Instagram, Tiktok and YouTube 
Dave Mack - Investigative Reporter, 'Crime Stories'

When Lindsay Clancy&rsquo;s third child is born, her recovery seems to be different.&nbsp;&nbsp;
The 32-year-old reaches out to her parents and her in-laws to help her manage the children and things around the home. Her husband, Patrick Clancy sets up a home office in the basement to work remotely, so he can be on hand to help. When Lindsay starts to have thoughts of suicide, and worse, hurting the children, she checks herself into the McLean Psychiatric Hospital,&nbsp;
Five days after checking into a psychiatric hospital Lindsay Clancy is reportedly told she doesn't have postpartum depression. Husband Patrick Clancy tells friends that after her hospital stay, Lindsay seems to be getting better. She is sleeping better, interacting with friends and family, and going out in public without any difficulty. When Patrick Clancy asks his wife if she is having any suicidal thoughts, Lindsay Clancy says "No."&nbsp; &nbsp;
Later on in the year, with his wife having been prescribed at least 13 different medications, Patrick Clancy texts a friend saying he&rsquo;s concerned that Lindsey has been prescribed too many medications. Patrick allegedly told friends that he worried she was suffering &ldquo;the worst side effects possible&rdquo; from one of her prescriptions. He says he thinks she is going through benzodiazepine withdrawal.&nbsp; &nbsp;
On a Tuesday afternoon Lindsay Clancy sends a text to her husband to pick up takeout.&nbsp; As Patrick Clancy leaves to pick up dinner, Lindsay sends him a text to stop off by the drugstore and pick up some medicine for the children.&nbsp;&nbsp;
Patrick Clancy stops by the drug store to pick up the medication but gets confused as to exactly which medicine to buy. He calls Lindsay Clancy on the phone, but she doesn't answer. She calls back a minute later.
Patrick says she sounded like she was in the middle of something. Lindsay answers his question about the medication and Patrick picks it up and heads to&nbsp; 3V to get their dinner.&nbsp;&nbsp;When Patrick Clancy comes home, he&rsquo;s met with silence.
He finds his wife in the backyard. She had jumped out of a second-floor window after slitting her wrists. The children are in the basement,&nbsp; strangled, an exercise band still wound around their necks.&nbsp;&nbsp;
Investigators revealed in court papers that Lindsay Clancy allegedly researched "ways to kill" before the deaths of her three children.&nbsp; &nbsp; Now Lindsay Clancy,&nbsp; paralyzed after her second-floor fall, is on trial for three counts each of murder and strangulation.&nbsp;
The trial has been emotional so far. Ex-husband, Patrick Clancy, served as the state's first witness. He details her deteriorating mental health leading up to the tragedy but noted that she appeared to be having "one of her best days" just hours before the event. &nbsp; The court played the emotional, impounded 911 audio recorded when Patrick returned home to discover his wife on the ground outside and his children strangled in the basement.&nbsp; Police officers, firefighters, and emergency room doctors gave gut-wrenching testimony.&nbsp; The jurors then completed a rare site visit to the former family home in Duxbury, as well as the local CVS and restaurant Patrick visited on the evening of the killings.
The trial continues this week.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
<ul>
<li>Josh Kolsrud - Criminal Defense Attorney and Former Assistant U.S. Attorney, Founder of Kolsrud Law Offices, Co-Host of the Podcast: "No Contest", website:&nbsp;<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://kolsrudlawoffices.com__;!!PxibshUo2Yr_Ta5B!zX40TD-XvsRrWvieNhfFmuafd3JkWddClwkauhVFLINuzQ9ct2JfF2w3d153Cn272gDxGS1BgJxG-ORivCg$" data-auth="NotApplicable" data-linkindex="1">kolsrudlawoffices.com</a>, Facebook and YouTube @KolsrudLawOffices&nbsp;</li>
<li>Dr. Catherine Birndorf, MD - Reproductive Psychiatrist and Postpartum Expert.&nbsp;&nbsp;Co-Founder, CEO, Medical Director at The Motherhood Center of New York.&nbsp; Former board member at Postpartum Support International, Founding Director of the Payne Whitney Women&rsquo;s Program at Weill Cornell Medicine &ndash; New York-Presbyterian Hospital. Author: "What No One Tells You: A Guide to Your Emotions from Pregnancy to Motherhood"&nbsp; and "The Nine Rooms of Happiness: Loving Your Life, Finding Your Purpose, and Getting Over Life&rsquo;s Little Imperfections&nbsp;</li>
<li>Claudia King&nbsp; - Former Law Enforcement Officer, Domestic Violence Expert; Host&nbsp; "No Contest" and "Strong Enough," www.<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://claudiamking.com__;!!PxibshUo2Yr_Ta5B!zLX36skncAJeKGvDi4o_IKnry5iPKl6lJ50iU0dGo3qv_SlTeGg7clhD9-y-U-SEDnKCIleX3DQqkjRDGImsuGTMzg$" data-auth="NotApplicable" data-linkindex="3">claudiamking.com</a>, @realclaudiaking&nbsp;</li>
<li>Dr. Kendall Crowns - Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth), Host of the Podcast "Mayhem in the Morgue", Lecturer: Burnett School of Medicine at TCU (Texas Christian University) Shannon Hill (NYC) Host, Shannon Hill News on Instagram, Tiktok and YouTube&nbsp;</li>
<li>Dave Mack - Investigative Reporter, 'Crime Stories'</li>
</ul>

Mom Lindsay Clancy 3 Tots Dead, Jury Shock @ Grim Crime Scene

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Twin Falls authorities commend off-duty state trooper and armed citizen who confronted 24-year-old gunman who opened fire at a newly opened Twin Falls In-N-Out Burger. Six months after 84-year-old Nancy Guthrie vanished from her Tucson home, investigators release two purported ransom notes in hopes that the public will recognize the author's distinctive phrasing. Intoxicated Georgia man faces child abuse charges after attacking two young children playing tag aboard a Carnival cruise ship. Sydney Silvagni reports. 

Twin Falls authorities commend off-duty state trooper and armed citizen who confronted 24-year-old gunman who opened fire at a newly opened Twin Falls In-N-Out Burger. Six months after 84-year-old Nancy Guthrie vanished from her Tucson home, investigators release two purported ransom notes in hopes that the public will recognize the author's distinctive phrasing. Intoxicated Georgia man faces child abuse charges after attacking two young children playing tag aboard a Carnival cruise ship. Sydney Silvagni reports.&nbsp;

Heroic Bystanders Confront Gunman in Deadly Twin Falls In-N-Out Shooting | Crime Alert 08.03.26

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Karen and Dusty Spencer were married and jointly owned a successful home painting business, A-Plus Painting. Two years into the marriage and business, the relationship sours and disputes about finances become more frequent, turning violent. On December 10 during an argument, Dusty hit and choked Karen, threatening to kill her. Police were called and Dusty Spencer was arrested. Spencer called Karen from jail and told her he was going to "finish what he started" when he got out. Authorities were aware of the threat but no effective action was taken and Bail for Dusty Ray Spencer was just $5,000. Spencer bailed out.  Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack discuss what happened to Karen Spencer after her husband and business partner made bail...then made good on his promise to finish what he started.

Karen and Dusty Spencer were married and jointly owned a successful home painting business, A-Plus Painting. Two years into the marriage and business, the relationship sours and disputes about finances become more frequent, turning violent. On December 10 during an argument, Dusty hit and choked Karen, threatening to kill her. Police were called and Dusty Spencer was arrested. Spencer called Karen from jail and told her he was going to "finish what he started" when he got out. Authorities were aware of the threat but no effective action was taken and Bail for Dusty Ray Spencer was just $5,000. Spencer bailed out.&nbsp; Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack discuss what happened to Karen Spencer after her husband and business partner made bail...then made good on his promise to finish what he started.

Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgon:  Stabbed, Beaten, Slashed, Bashed: Death of Karen Spenc

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STALKING IS NOT ROMANTIC: 4 women murdered by love-obsessed stalkers

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