Crime Stories with Nancy Grace a so called smear campaign. Everybody's Favorite gossip Girl, Blake Lively battles her co star Justin Baldoni after shot. Sex harassment claims emerge. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace a so called smear campaign. Everybody's Favorite gossip Girl, Blake Lively battles her co star Justin Baldoni after shot. Sex harassment claims emerge. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

Bombshell lawsuit from Hollywood star Blake Lively alleges co star Justin Baldoni sexually harassed and orchestrated a smear campaign against Lively.

Bombshell lawsuit from Hollywood star Blake Lively alleges co star Justin Baldoni sexually harassed and orchestrated a smear campaign against Lively.

A smear campaign alleged a campaign against Everyone's Favorite gossip Girl, Blake Lively.

A smear campaign alleged a campaign against Everyone's Favorite gossip Girl, Blake Lively.

What we are hearing.

What we are hearing.

Includes undesired lip biting during sex, sayes sucking on lips, people barging into her dressing room while she's completely nude or partially nude, or breast feeding, allowing friends of friends to watch as she is partially new performing sex scenes in very vulnerable positions.

Includes undesired lip biting during sex, sayes sucking on lips, people barging into her dressing room while she's completely nude or partially nude, or breast feeding, allowing friends of friends to watch as she is partially new performing sex scenes in very vulnerable positions.

What happened? Okay? The name of the movie. It ends with us from Wayfarer and Sony. Let's just take a peek. Hey, Lily, you want to do the honors?

What happened? Okay? The name of the movie. It ends with us from Wayfarer and Sony. Let's just take a peek. Hey, Lily, you want to do the honors?

No, you go ahead, I need to take it in from here.

No, you go ahead, I need to take it in from here.

You'd say that, okay, Oho, that's my brother Ryle.

You'd say that, okay, Oho, that's my brother Ryle.

The first official customer.

The first official customer.

That is from the official It Ends with Us movie trailer from Sony Pictures. Before we get into the meat of this vicious battle in court, I want to go out to Rob Shooter very quickly, a host of Naughty but Nice podcast form, a publicist, author of the four word answer, Rob.

That is from the official It Ends with Us movie trailer from Sony Pictures. Before we get into the meat of this vicious battle in court, I want to go out to Rob Shooter very quickly, a host of Naughty but Nice podcast form, a publicist, author of the four word answer, Rob.

Thank you for being with us. Rob, you have worked with so many stars.

Thank you for being with us. Rob, you have worked with so many stars.

I may need to go to a shrink on this, But do you believe as many of us do you know, the little people out there watching movies and TV? Do you believe a star's true persona comes out on the screen.

I may need to go to a shrink on this, But do you believe as many of us do you know, the little people out there watching movies and TV? Do you believe a star's true persona comes out on the screen.

Oh, that's a really good question.

Oh, that's a really good question.

I think that the most successful actress and actresses are playing roles where they can find an element of themselves in that role, and so I think that's the sort of golden ticket here. This is what makes them really, really successful. But we know from day one.

I think that the most successful actress and actresses are playing roles where they can find an element of themselves in that role, and so I think that's the sort of golden ticket here. This is what makes them really, really successful. But we know from day one.

Forget the characters.

Forget the characters.

These two just did not like each other from day one.

These two just did not like each other from day one.

Hold on, hold on, hold on, judge objection not responsive.

Hold on, hold on, hold on, judge objection not responsive.

I simply asked you one thing, and that is, do actors and actresses do we see any of their real persona?

I simply asked you one thing, and that is, do actors and actresses do we see any of their real persona?

That's a yes.

That's a yes.

No.

No.

I don't know where you went with that. Shooter.

I don't know where you went with that. Shooter.

But my point is, did you just see that trill or with Lively? Because she seems so likable and friendly. Now, I never knew about Gossip Girls. I guess I was in law school or practicing law. But my daughter found it and we've been watching it. You know, in all those years she was in Gossip Girl, I never heard a bad word about her.

But my point is, did you just see that trill or with Lively? Because she seems so likable and friendly. Now, I never knew about Gossip Girls. I guess I was in law school or practicing law. But my daughter found it and we've been watching it. You know, in all those years she was in Gossip Girl, I never heard a bad word about her.

Rob Shooter. Am I wrong? Did I miss something?

Rob Shooter. Am I wrong? Did I miss something?

I've heard mixed things about Blake Lively over the years. I think here it's really difficult because it's hard to separate her from the characters that she's played, from the characters that we love, and so I think we want to believe that she is that person on the screen.

I've heard mixed things about Blake Lively over the years. I think here it's really difficult because it's hard to separate her from the characters that she's played, from the characters that we love, and so I think we want to believe that she is that person on the screen.

But as we all know, But let me analyze, quote what you've heard about Blake Lively and all the years that she has been on camera. Give me two things negative about what you've heard about her, because I guarantee you it came from a mean girl. Because I've seen so many women piling on to Blake Lively.

But as we all know, But let me analyze, quote what you've heard about Blake Lively and all the years that she has been on camera. Give me two things negative about what you've heard about her, because I guarantee you it came from a mean girl. Because I've seen so many women piling on to Blake Lively.

I think there's tell us. So what are the bad things you've heard about Blake Lively.

I think there's tell us. So what are the bad things you've heard about Blake Lively.

I've heard I've heard she's very controlling, she likes controlling, that.

I've heard I've heard she's very controlling, she likes controlling, that.

She likes to rolling. Okay, what's wrong with that? Number two? What's the other thing.

She likes to rolling. Okay, what's wrong with that? Number two? What's the other thing.

I hear that she has very very strong opinions and.

I hear that she has very very strong opinions and.

Bad thing.

Bad thing.

Oh no, a woman in her opinion, she goes straight to hell.

Oh no, a woman in her opinion, she goes straight to hell.

Okay, what else I've heard.

Okay, what else I've heard.

Too, that now she's married to one of the most one of the most famous people, successful people in the entertainment business, she's not frightened to flicks her muscles.

Too, that now she's married to one of the most one of the most famous people, successful people in the entertainment business, she's not frightened to flicks her muscles.

Okay, I asked you in all the years that she was a star on Gossip Girl, whatever else she did, what you heard about her, And now you're saying that because she's married to Ryan Reynolds, that she's not afraid to flex her muscle. To See, that's entirely inconsistent because what you said before she was controlling and has strong opinions, but now that she's married to a start, she's controlling and has strong opinions. See, you can't have your cake and eat it too well. You heard Blake Lively was controlling with strong opinions before she got married, and then when she got married, same thing.

Okay, I asked you in all the years that she was a star on Gossip Girl, whatever else she did, what you heard about her, And now you're saying that because she's married to Ryan Reynolds, that she's not afraid to flex her muscle. To See, that's entirely inconsistent because what you said before she was controlling and has strong opinions, but now that she's married to a start, she's controlling and has strong opinions. See, you can't have your cake and eat it too well. You heard Blake Lively was controlling with strong opinions before she got married, and then when she got married, same thing.

Absolutely, and that's part of her success here.

Absolutely, and that's part of her success here.

You've got to be tough in this business. None of them are wallflowers. She's tough, she's strong, she knows what she wants.

You've got to be tough in this business. None of them are wallflowers. She's tough, she's strong, she knows what she wants.

But now she has.

But now she has.

But how is that bad?

But how is that bad?

You know what, I'm running down a rabbit hole with you and I'm getting nowhere, all right, so far from you, Rob, sheoter who has your nose and your ear to the ground. That's the worst thing you got to throw at me about her. And look, I don't have a dog in the fight. I'm just analyzing this court case, you know what. Hold on, Let's start at the beginning, when everybody loved everybody.

You know what, I'm running down a rabbit hole with you and I'm getting nowhere, all right, so far from you, Rob, sheoter who has your nose and your ear to the ground. That's the worst thing you got to throw at me about her. And look, I don't have a dog in the fight. I'm just analyzing this court case, you know what. Hold on, Let's start at the beginning, when everybody loved everybody.

Listen, this has been a passion project and something that has been so near and dear to my heart and so many and it wouldn't happen without you, without your love, without your support, without you being such huge fans of the book and caring so much about Lily and her story.

Listen, this has been a passion project and something that has been so near and dear to my heart and so many and it wouldn't happen without you, without your love, without your support, without you being such huge fans of the book and caring so much about Lily and her story.

Hello, Blake Lively, here, Colleen Hoover, and it ends with us is in theaters now, so grab your friends, wear your florals and head out to see it.

Hello, Blake Lively, here, Colleen Hoover, and it ends with us is in theaters now, so grab your friends, wear your florals and head out to see it.

Okay, first of all, what's the floral?

Okay, first of all, what's the floral?

What does that mean? Where a floral? Does that mean a floral print dress? Is that what she's talking to? Okay, don't have any of those. But that said, that is from the official Instagram page of the movie. It ends with us, Now did you see everybody all smiles and happy and getting along?

What does that mean? Where a floral? Does that mean a floral print dress? Is that what she's talking to? Okay, don't have any of those. But that said, that is from the official Instagram page of the movie. It ends with us, Now did you see everybody all smiles and happy and getting along?

How did it go from that? To this?

How did it go from that? To this?

A bombshell lawsuit filed by Blake Lively against her co star and director less than two weeks after the movie. It ends with US leaves theaters having pulled in over three hundred and fifty million dollars. The lawsuit of legis sexual harassment and claims that Baldoni exhibited behavior that caused her severe emotional distress. DMZ reports to the lawsuit states there was a meeting attended by individuals including Lively, her husband Ryan Reynolds, Baldoni, and their lawyers to a dress Lively's claims as well as other cast and crew members, and to reach an agreement on requirements Lively needed to continue working on the film.

A bombshell lawsuit filed by Blake Lively against her co star and director less than two weeks after the movie. It ends with US leaves theaters having pulled in over three hundred and fifty million dollars. The lawsuit of legis sexual harassment and claims that Baldoni exhibited behavior that caused her severe emotional distress. DMZ reports to the lawsuit states there was a meeting attended by individuals including Lively, her husband Ryan Reynolds, Baldoni, and their lawyers to a dress Lively's claims as well as other cast and crew members, and to reach an agreement on requirements Lively needed to continue working on the film.

Okay, that smells like trouble in the middle of a project. You have to have a big meeting about the requirements necessary to move forward on that project.

Okay, that smells like trouble in the middle of a project. You have to have a big meeting about the requirements necessary to move forward on that project.

Okay.

Okay.

So it goes from everyone being totally in love to a bombshell lawsuit and.

So it goes from everyone being totally in love to a bombshell lawsuit and.

Now this justin Baldoni files a two hundred and fifty million dollar lawsuit against The New York Times over the investigative article titled we Can Bury Anyone inside a Hollywood smear Machine. Baldoni and nine other plaintiffs, including publicistm Melissa Nathan, and Jennifer Abel, are suing The Times for libel and false line invasion of privacy over the article. The group's suing includes producers of the movie It Ends with Us, Jamie Heath and Steve Sorrowitz claim The New York Times relied on altered communications, stripped of necessary context, and deliberately spliced to mislead.

Now this justin Baldoni files a two hundred and fifty million dollar lawsuit against The New York Times over the investigative article titled we Can Bury Anyone inside a Hollywood smear Machine. Baldoni and nine other plaintiffs, including publicistm Melissa Nathan, and Jennifer Abel, are suing The Times for libel and false line invasion of privacy over the article. The group's suing includes producers of the movie It Ends with Us, Jamie Heath and Steve Sorrowitz claim The New York Times relied on altered communications, stripped of necessary context, and deliberately spliced to mislead.

Okay, straight out to Daryl Cohen joining me for I'm felony prosecutor now high profile civil and defense attorney, Darryl thank.

Okay, straight out to Daryl Cohen joining me for I'm felony prosecutor now high profile civil and defense attorney, Darryl thank.

You for being with us.

You for being with us.

You've been involved in so many movie scenarios.

You've been involved in so many movie scenarios.

It's really hard to.

It's really hard to.

Make sense of what is the truth that's going to be decided in court, of course, but when I have a damning piece of evidence against someone and their defense says, oh, you took that out of context. Okay, I would have a field day with that. Yes, I wrote the damning piece of evidence. I said that, but you took it out of context. That's what do you make of that?

Make sense of what is the truth that's going to be decided in court, of course, but when I have a damning piece of evidence against someone and their defense says, oh, you took that out of context. Okay, I would have a field day with that. Yes, I wrote the damning piece of evidence. I said that, but you took it out of context. That's what do you make of that?

Well, start, Nancy, this is complete, nothing more than Hollywood. It's Hollywood all over again. Think Amber Heard and Johnny Depp. This is nothing more than that. It is out of context, or it's not out of context.

Well, start, Nancy, this is complete, nothing more than Hollywood. It's Hollywood all over again. Think Amber Heard and Johnny Depp. This is nothing more than that. It is out of context, or it's not out of context.

Cohen, Wait a minute, nothing more than quote Hollywood entered. I call a two hundred and fifty two hundred and fifty million dollar lawsuit a lot more than just gossip in nundo or rumor.

Cohen, Wait a minute, nothing more than quote Hollywood entered. I call a two hundred and fifty two hundred and fifty million dollar lawsuit a lot more than just gossip in nundo or rumor.

And not only that, when.

And not only that, when.

Someone takes down or tries to take down, your reputation, which is really all you've got, once he lose that technical legal term, you're screwed. If this is true that Baldoni tried to destroy Lively's reputation, that's a very big deal.

Someone takes down or tries to take down, your reputation, which is really all you've got, once he lose that technical legal term, you're screwed. If this is true that Baldoni tried to destroy Lively's reputation, that's a very big deal.

That's all she's got is her reputation.

That's all she's got is her reputation.

That's true. But Nancy, she has more than that. She has a mouth, she has a brain, and she has a publicity machine. And because of that, whatever he did, whatever she did, is a fight to the finish. What's the finish, more films, what's the finish, more parts, more roles, and stayed in the public eye, and that's.

That's true. But Nancy, she has more than that. She has a mouth, she has a brain, and she has a publicity machine. And because of that, whatever he did, whatever she did, is a fight to the finish. What's the finish, more films, what's the finish, more parts, more roles, and stayed in the public eye, and that's.

What this is. Really.

What this is. Really.

I completely disagree with you to doctor Bethany Marshall joining US. High profile psychoanalyst out of la and author of deal Breaker. You can see her now on Peacock. Doctor Bethany, thank you for being with us. I agree and disagree with Daryl Cohen. He's an expert in movie relations, movie lawsuits, that whole shebang. But I think it's more than that, because claims have been made by Lively that Baldoni would bust into her trailer when she was completely naked, partially naked, breastfeeding, that he would He denies all this, that he would allow friends to watch filming of her in sex scenes where she's partially naked, also a saying where she is giving birth naked in a very vulnerable position, as you can imagine, I would do a backflip. And everybody's trashing her about bringing in Ryan Riddles her husband.

I completely disagree with you to doctor Bethany Marshall joining US. High profile psychoanalyst out of la and author of deal Breaker. You can see her now on Peacock. Doctor Bethany, thank you for being with us. I agree and disagree with Daryl Cohen. He's an expert in movie relations, movie lawsuits, that whole shebang. But I think it's more than that, because claims have been made by Lively that Baldoni would bust into her trailer when she was completely naked, partially naked, breastfeeding, that he would He denies all this, that he would allow friends to watch filming of her in sex scenes where she's partially naked, also a saying where she is giving birth naked in a very vulnerable position, as you can imagine, I would do a backflip. And everybody's trashing her about bringing in Ryan Riddles her husband.

To a meeting. I'd have to beg my husband not to kill somebody.

To a meeting. I'd have to beg my husband not to kill somebody.

Don't start a big fight for BIG's sake, don't get us all thrown in jail. Why shouldn't she bring her husband in? I mean, I think you should Massachwartz. I don't get it.

Don't start a big fight for BIG's sake, don't get us all thrown in jail. Why shouldn't she bring her husband in? I mean, I think you should Massachwartz. I don't get it.

You know, a nancy part of a healthy marriage is the couples protect each other, so he's coming in to protect his wife. I think what's interesting about this movie is that life imitates art in a way. And Justin Baldoni is the producer, and he has chosen to produce a movie about a man who's sexually aggressive and a woman who decides to end intergenerational domestic violence. This is his story, it's not hers. She's merely an actress in it. And so from a psychoanalytic perspective, I would wonder if this story is near and dear to his heart for some other reason.

You know, a nancy part of a healthy marriage is the couples protect each other, so he's coming in to protect his wife. I think what's interesting about this movie is that life imitates art in a way. And Justin Baldoni is the producer, and he has chosen to produce a movie about a man who's sexually aggressive and a woman who decides to end intergenerational domestic violence. This is his story, it's not hers. She's merely an actress in it. And so from a psychoanalytic perspective, I would wonder if this story is near and dear to his heart for some other reason.

Now, okay, you've lost me. I don't know what you're saying. I took a note Dr Bethany the irony. I think this is what you're saying, the.

Now, okay, you've lost me. I don't know what you're saying. I took a note Dr Bethany the irony. I think this is what you're saying, the.

Irony that this is about. The movie is about a.

Irony that this is about. The movie is about a.

Woman victimized, and now there are claims that a woman is being victimized as part of the movie. I don't think that somebody bursting into your trailer while you're butt naked telling you you need to lose weight.

Woman victimized, and now there are claims that a woman is being victimized as part of the movie. I don't think that somebody bursting into your trailer while you're butt naked telling you you need to lose weight.

I mean, Bethany, when I'm working.

I mean, Bethany, when I'm working.

My rear end off trying to prosecute a case or trying to investigate a case.

My rear end off trying to prosecute a case or trying to investigate a case.

Now it would hell.

Now it would hell.

With freeze over before somebody came up to me and showed me pornography or talked about coworkers' genitals. I'm like, what are you doing, man?

With freeze over before somebody came up to me and showed me pornography or talked about coworkers' genitals. I'm like, what are you doing, man?

Do it?

Do it?

Uh?

Uh?

Uh? That's the claims here totally. If somebody walk up.

Uh? That's the claims here totally. If somebody walk up.

To you and show you pornography in the middle of your work day.

To you and show you pornography in the middle of your work day.

No.

No.

But when we think of sexual abuse and sexual harassment, trying to entice the victim to be stimulated sexually, it's a part of the offending pattern, which is a word I use a lot on this show. So showing pornography is in the hopes that he allegedly could excite her develop a relationship with her. That's what we call predation, Nancy.

But when we think of sexual abuse and sexual harassment, trying to entice the victim to be stimulated sexually, it's a part of the offending pattern, which is a word I use a lot on this show. So showing pornography is in the hopes that he allegedly could excite her develop a relationship with her. That's what we call predation, Nancy.

It's being about or what are you saying? Are you saying that he who denies all.

It's being about or what are you saying? Are you saying that he who denies all.

Of this and has filed his own multimillion dollar lawsuit, that he would show her porn for what reason?

Of this and has filed his own multimillion dollar lawsuit, that he would show her porn for what reason?

To excite Arow The woman is breastfeeding.

To excite Arow The woman is breastfeeding.

In our trailer, to doubt she's going to get excited by a costar show number on his cell phone.

In our trailer, to doubt she's going to get excited by a costar show number on his cell phone.

I just want to say about sex addicts, and I'm not saying he'sa is one.

I just want to say about sex addicts, and I'm not saying he'sa is one.

I've never met him.

I've never met him.

But the sex addicts notoriously have a very poor theory about what's going on in the minds of other people. They do not track with the thoughts of others. Often they're so pre octopu pied and distracted with their own thoughts of sex. They don't track with others, so they do very inappropriate things that are very offensive.

But the sex addicts notoriously have a very poor theory about what's going on in the minds of other people. They do not track with the thoughts of others. Often they're so pre octopu pied and distracted with their own thoughts of sex. They don't track with others, so they do very inappropriate things that are very offensive.

As the rumor mill begins turning out news stories daily about the feud between Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively, often discussing the merits of different rumors, Baldoni hires Melissa Nathan.

As the rumor mill begins turning out news stories daily about the feud between Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively, often discussing the merits of different rumors, Baldoni hires Melissa Nathan.

She's a crisis.

She's a crisis.

Management PR pro known for her work with Johnny Depp in his battle with Amber. Heard during the Depp herd Core battle, rumors arose of an organized social media campaign against Amber. Heard days after Nathan joins team Balboni. Blake Lively faces a tax online accusing her of being tone deaf with regard to her approach to marketing the movie Wow, what a coinkydink.

Management PR pro known for her work with Johnny Depp in his battle with Amber. Heard during the Depp herd Core battle, rumors arose of an organized social media campaign against Amber. Heard days after Nathan joins team Balboni. Blake Lively faces a tax online accusing her of being tone deaf with regard to her approach to marketing the movie Wow, what a coinkydink.

In my world of criminal law, there is no such thing as the coincidence. Straight to high profile PR guru Rob Shooter, a host of Naughty but Nice podcast, author of the Foreword Answer rob let me understand this. So days after this person, Melissa Nathan, a PR person public relationsperson, joins.

In my world of criminal law, there is no such thing as the coincidence. Straight to high profile PR guru Rob Shooter, a host of Naughty but Nice podcast, author of the Foreword Answer rob let me understand this. So days after this person, Melissa Nathan, a PR person public relationsperson, joins.

Justin Baldoni's team.

Justin Baldoni's team.

Suddenly Blake Lively faces the tax online accusing her of being quote tone deaf. The trashing begins. That's quite the coincidence, isn't it, Shooter.

Suddenly Blake Lively faces the tax online accusing her of being quote tone deaf. The trashing begins. That's quite the coincidence, isn't it, Shooter.

Yeah, it's no coincidence at all.

Yeah, it's no coincidence at all.

Here.

Here.

You hire these PR pitopulls to plant bad stories about your competitors, people that you don't like, people that can make you look better.

You hire these PR pitopulls to plant bad stories about your competitors, people that you don't like, people that can make you look better.

So this is an old story in PR. This is not new.

So this is an old story in PR. This is not new.

It's now being out there the first time in a long time, really fronts and center.

It's now being out there the first time in a long time, really fronts and center.

But this is not new.

But this is not new.

And let's remember too, Blake has her own PR machine, and they're claiming that Justin's claiming that they attacked him. So this is just a trick of publicists. This is why you hire a very expensive publicist.

And let's remember too, Blake has her own PR machine, and they're claiming that Justin's claiming that they attacked him. So this is just a trick of publicists. This is why you hire a very expensive publicist.

You went way beyond the scope of my question, but I appreciate that. So immediately after Baldoni hires Melissa Nathan, stories emerged throughout the press, and I remember reading some of them thinking, wow, I've never picked up on that about Blake Lively, But what do I know? Maybe it's true, but then take a look at what is alleged about her. For instance, here's a so called mean girl moment by Blake Lively.

You went way beyond the scope of my question, but I appreciate that. So immediately after Baldoni hires Melissa Nathan, stories emerged throughout the press, and I remember reading some of them thinking, wow, I've never picked up on that about Blake Lively, But what do I know? Maybe it's true, but then take a look at what is alleged about her. For instance, here's a so called mean girl moment by Blake Lively.

So, if someone understands the themes of this movie and they want to really talk to you, what's the best way for them to be able to talk to you about this? How would you recommend they go about it?

So, if someone understands the themes of this movie and they want to really talk to you, what's the best way for them to be able to talk to you about this? How would you recommend they go about it?

Like asking for my address or my phone number, or like my location share.

Like asking for my address or my phone number, or like my location share.

I could just location share you and then we could.

I could just location share you and then we could.

That's from Jake's take on YouTube. Now did you see what I just saw? Because I took it to be that she was joking around, kidding you know, Let's watch it one more time because I'm not getting any sense of bad girl here.

That's from Jake's take on YouTube. Now did you see what I just saw? Because I took it to be that she was joking around, kidding you know, Let's watch it one more time because I'm not getting any sense of bad girl here.

So, if someone understands the themes of this movie and they want to really talk to you, what's the best way for them to be able to talk to you about this? How would you recommend they go about it like.

So, if someone understands the themes of this movie and they want to really talk to you, what's the best way for them to be able to talk to you about this? How would you recommend they go about it like.

Asking for like my address or my phone number, or like.

Asking for like my address or my phone number, or like.

My location share. I could just location share you and then we could.

My location share. I could just location share you and then we could.

That's the bombshell that makes Blake Lively a mean girl.

That's the bombshell that makes Blake Lively a mean girl.

That's again from Jake's take on YouTube.

That's again from Jake's take on YouTube.

Joining me right now in addition to Rob Shooter, doctor Bethany Marshall and Darryl Cohen, celebrity lawyer Linn Shaw is with me, founder executive director Lynn's Warriors, who has shot to fame in her opposition to all things dirty ditty, her other life that you don't see on camera. She created Lynn's Warriors that is committed to ending exploitation of women and sex trafficking in any form. You know, Linnshaw, I usually have you join us when we are talking about sex crimes on girls or women or men. The exploitation of women is a very nuanced thing.

Joining me right now in addition to Rob Shooter, doctor Bethany Marshall and Darryl Cohen, celebrity lawyer Linn Shaw is with me, founder executive director Lynn's Warriors, who has shot to fame in her opposition to all things dirty ditty, her other life that you don't see on camera. She created Lynn's Warriors that is committed to ending exploitation of women and sex trafficking in any form. You know, Linnshaw, I usually have you join us when we are talking about sex crimes on girls or women or men. The exploitation of women is a very nuanced thing.

It comes in many many.

It comes in many many.

Forms, like, for instance, a woman is shamed because she gains weight after having a baby.

Forms, like, for instance, a woman is shamed because she gains weight after having a baby.

You know what the twins are seventeen. I just went on a diet. Okay.

You know what the twins are seventeen. I just went on a diet. Okay.

Women are shamed because they have strong opinions. They're put in a position of power and authority, Yet they exercise power and authority to complete their job. Then they're shamed. They're evil, they're bitches, they're divas. In my mind, that is exploiting women. You put them up on a pedestal only to tear them down.

Women are shamed because they have strong opinions. They're put in a position of power and authority, Yet they exercise power and authority to complete their job. Then they're shamed. They're evil, they're bitches, they're divas. In my mind, that is exploiting women. You put them up on a pedestal only to tear them down.

Nancy, You're absolutely right, But we at the Warriors are based on facts. Obviously, Nancy, you have not been a fan of the Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants. Because I just want to mention one thing. It goes back to the nineties. A lot of stories behind the scenes about Blake Lively and her behavior. Now that doesn't mean much. She was much younger than let's fast forward. Here's what I want to say this movie.

Nancy, You're absolutely right, But we at the Warriors are based on facts. Obviously, Nancy, you have not been a fan of the Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants. Because I just want to mention one thing. It goes back to the nineties. A lot of stories behind the scenes about Blake Lively and her behavior. Now that doesn't mean much. She was much younger than let's fast forward. Here's what I want to say this movie.

O no, no, no, no, no, no. You don't have to hear what I have to say.

O no, no, no, no, no, no. You don't have to hear what I have to say.

What behavior in the nineties was supposedly bad?

What behavior in the nineties was supposedly bad?

Oh Nancy, please, there have been stories about her for decades where she was very means about you want to interview people interviewing her, she was very starky.

Oh Nancy, please, there have been stories about her for decades where she was very means about you want to interview people interviewing her, she was very starky.

Sorry your business.

Sorry your business.

No, especially a woman, especially if you're a woman. We've got the double standards everybody knows about. Because I'm here to say, it's still a man's world in Hollywood. That's the way it goes. It's a very tough thing. So her reputation has been questioned many times over the last few days.

No, especially a woman, especially if you're a woman. We've got the double standards everybody knows about. Because I'm here to say, it's still a man's world in Hollywood. That's the way it goes. It's a very tough thing. So her reputation has been questioned many times over the last few days.

Words now you can throw out there, Lynn Shaw, she was snarky and mean.

Words now you can throw out there, Lynn Shaw, she was snarky and mean.

Auntie Grace, she has been thing her to that high school. Oh no, it was the okay, go ahead.

Auntie Grace, she has been thing her to that high school. Oh no, it was the okay, go ahead.

She has been mean. She has been called herself a mean girl by other actresses.

She has been mean. She has been called herself a mean girl by other actresses.

Okay, what, Okay, she was, which I'm not buying into. So what that's the worst you've got.

Okay, what, Okay, she was, which I'm not buying into. So what that's the worst you've got.

I mean, I means to dealing with rapist, serial killers, child lessons, and you're.

I mean, I means to dealing with rapist, serial killers, child lessons, and you're.

Telling me she was mean when she was twenty one. Okay, I am fast forwarding.

Telling me she was mean when she was twenty one. Okay, I am fast forwarding.

I am fast forwarding now to some facts that this movie has grown so far three hundred and fifty one million worldld why with a budget of twenty five million. So a lot of these people here are making a lot of money.

I am fast forwarding now to some facts that this movie has grown so far three hundred and fifty one million worldld why with a budget of twenty five million. So a lot of these people here are making a lot of money.

This is a real.

This is a real.

Mud slinging case because we deal with real world, real people, real victims. Here's my big question. I want to ask, why wasn't the intimacy coordinator from day one on that set? After going through the meet too, the Harvey Weinstein go back to Bill Cosby, Kevin Spacey, We'd be here all day if I keep naming the men in Hollywood. Why wasn't he has proof Justin Baldoni he wanted that coordinator on the set. She would not meet with the coordinator. Everybody's got to get these backstreet. She said, you know what, Justin you meet, and he has this in text messages. You meet and when I arrive on the set, you can tell me translate that information directly to me. So how do we know that in his talking to her and translating these sexual scenes and this intimacy that now she's going back and I remind everybody she also The New York Times did not do their job. They took her side her store, they didn't contact him, they didn't question him. I think that's unfair. He was released from his agent, w Emmy William Morrison Devor, the same agent as Blake Lively and her husband, Ryan Reynolds. Why was he You know, you're innocent until proven guilty.

Mud slinging case because we deal with real world, real people, real victims. Here's my big question. I want to ask, why wasn't the intimacy coordinator from day one on that set? After going through the meet too, the Harvey Weinstein go back to Bill Cosby, Kevin Spacey, We'd be here all day if I keep naming the men in Hollywood. Why wasn't he has proof Justin Baldoni he wanted that coordinator on the set. She would not meet with the coordinator. Everybody's got to get these backstreet. She said, you know what, Justin you meet, and he has this in text messages. You meet and when I arrive on the set, you can tell me translate that information directly to me. So how do we know that in his talking to her and translating these sexual scenes and this intimacy that now she's going back and I remind everybody she also The New York Times did not do their job. They took her side her store, they didn't contact him, they didn't question him. I think that's unfair. He was released from his agent, w Emmy William Morrison Devor, the same agent as Blake Lively and her husband, Ryan Reynolds. Why was he You know, you're innocent until proven guilty.

So I want to go back on something.

So I want to go back on something.

If she's playing something anything that a tag down agency dropping you equals a guilty verdict.

If she's playing something anything that a tag down agency dropping you equals a guilty verdict.

But hold on, I want to address what you said. I want facts. We have to get the FAF that's true.

But hold on, I want to address what you said. I want facts. We have to get the FAF that's true.

I'm trying to determine if this smear on her was orchestrated by hitch people of Justin Baldoni's because I've read those texts about quote burying her. Here is another example of Blake Lively being a so called mean girl.

I'm trying to determine if this smear on her was orchestrated by hitch people of Justin Baldoni's because I've read those texts about quote burying her. Here is another example of Blake Lively being a so called mean girl.

Watch frets on your little boom. Congrats on your little bum bum. By the way, that's from Shirsty Flower's YouTube page. Okay, what did I miss? Rub Sheeter? What was wrong with what? Blake Lively just to say.

Watch frets on your little boom. Congrats on your little bum bum. By the way, that's from Shirsty Flower's YouTube page. Okay, what did I miss? Rub Sheeter? What was wrong with what? Blake Lively just to say.

Yeah, I don't think there was anything wrong in that specific answer. However, Nancy, you're not gonna like this. Blake has a history of being difficult to interview. I know lots of reporters, including myself, I don't look forward to talking to Blake Lively on the carpet.

Yeah, I don't think there was anything wrong in that specific answer. However, Nancy, you're not gonna like this. Blake has a history of being difficult to interview. I know lots of reporters, including myself, I don't look forward to talking to Blake Lively on the carpet.

Does that make her a terrible person?

Does that make her a terrible person?

Know?

Know?

But in this business, in this town, in Hollywood, you're meant to sell your movies, and part of that is selling yourself as well.

But in this business, in this town, in Hollywood, you're meant to sell your movies, and part of that is selling yourself as well.

And Blake won't play that game. If that's what she decides, good for her. But she doesn't.

And Blake won't play that game. If that's what she decides, good for her. But she doesn't.

She doesn't play the Hollywood game. And maybe that's the point here. Maybe that's what people are so annoyed.

She doesn't play the Hollywood game. And maybe that's the point here. Maybe that's what people are so annoyed.

Crime stories with Natty Grace.

Crime stories with Natty Grace.

Requirements that are mentioned in the lawsuit include no more adding of sex scenes, oral sex, or on camera climax scene by bl outside the scope of the script. Bl approved when signing on to the project. Sony Pictures, the distributor of the film approved Blake Lively's list.

Requirements that are mentioned in the lawsuit include no more adding of sex scenes, oral sex, or on camera climax scene by bl outside the scope of the script. Bl approved when signing on to the project. Sony Pictures, the distributor of the film approved Blake Lively's list.

Joining me in addition to our all star panel.

Joining me in addition to our all star panel.

You've already met, Ashley a Ward Law is joining us PI, chief operations officer at Nathan's investigation.

You've already met, Ashley a Ward Law is joining us PI, chief operations officer at Nathan's investigation.

Ashley, thanks for being with us.

Ashley, thanks for being with us.

This is when you need a great detective or investigator like yourself, because what is the truth now. We've got a lot of damning or what we believe to be damning text messages that were back and forth, back and forth, back and forth on Justin Baldoni's team claiming to barry Barry Blake Lively and they follow online. Oh there's so much negative reporting on her. It's awesome. You know we can be marry anyone. But I can't put that in writing. For Pete's say, imagine if a document saying all that ends up in the wrong hands, we can't actually write we will destroy her by the way, as they writing, I'm having reckless thoughts of wanting to plant pieces this week of how horrible Blake is to work with. But my question to you is how do you go about proving this?

This is when you need a great detective or investigator like yourself, because what is the truth now. We've got a lot of damning or what we believe to be damning text messages that were back and forth, back and forth, back and forth on Justin Baldoni's team claiming to barry Barry Blake Lively and they follow online. Oh there's so much negative reporting on her. It's awesome. You know we can be marry anyone. But I can't put that in writing. For Pete's say, imagine if a document saying all that ends up in the wrong hands, we can't actually write we will destroy her by the way, as they writing, I'm having reckless thoughts of wanting to plant pieces this week of how horrible Blake is to work with. But my question to you is how do you go about proving this?

Ashley? Where do I get the information?

Ashley? Where do I get the information?

I guess I would start with this thirty point document that emerged from the meeting where Lively brings her husband rentals and they have it out with Baldoni about what will and will not be tolerated on set.

I guess I would start with this thirty point document that emerged from the meeting where Lively brings her husband rentals and they have it out with Baldoni about what will and will not be tolerated on set.

That's a great place to start.

That's a great place to start.

Or why are crew members unfollowing or not following Baldoni and they are following her?

Or why are crew members unfollowing or not following Baldoni and they are following her?

Where would you start?

Where would you start?

Well, let's be clear, Nancy, the evidence is definitely going to speak for ourselves. Okay, when it comes to take messages or any digital type of evidence, nowadays, it's really.

Well, let's be clear, Nancy, the evidence is definitely going to speak for ourselves. Okay, when it comes to take messages or any digital type of evidence, nowadays, it's really.

Hard to believe what you see, like.

Hard to believe what you see, like.

A screenshot or something along those lines. For a PI, we would have to take it a little farther and say, okay, we're not going to take these springshots. We're actually going to do something called a data extraction where we take a mobile device or a laptop or whatever type of electronic device and actually pull the files directly from that device along with metadata right to look at the time and date them. Because again, screenshots can be manipulated. That's just the reality we live in nowadays. So again, a PI, we're going to have to take it a step further. We can't just take a screenshot and give it to an attorney and say, hey, this is what we have for you, we have to go further.

A screenshot or something along those lines. For a PI, we would have to take it a little farther and say, okay, we're not going to take these springshots. We're actually going to do something called a data extraction where we take a mobile device or a laptop or whatever type of electronic device and actually pull the files directly from that device along with metadata right to look at the time and date them. Because again, screenshots can be manipulated. That's just the reality we live in nowadays. So again, a PI, we're going to have to take it a step further. We can't just take a screenshot and give it to an attorney and say, hey, this is what we have for you, we have to go further.

You know what, You're so right, Ashley Ashley Wardlock joining US veteran private investigator. I would go to everybody that worked on that set with a subpoena and a subpoena ducas tikam for documents or as you're saying, text messages, emails that may have gone back and forth regarding what was happening on the set. And I'd like to point out to Rob Shooter and Lyn Shaw want you to hear this. It sounds like what you were saying about Blake Lively not wanting an intimacy coordinator on the set is just another plant against her, because I've got the document what purports to be the document that she submitted her demands and number eighteen of that thirty point list is an intimacy coordinator must be on set for all scenes involving nudity and or simulated sex, and must have a monitor to ensure compliance.

You know what, You're so right, Ashley Ashley Wardlock joining US veteran private investigator. I would go to everybody that worked on that set with a subpoena and a subpoena ducas tikam for documents or as you're saying, text messages, emails that may have gone back and forth regarding what was happening on the set. And I'd like to point out to Rob Shooter and Lyn Shaw want you to hear this. It sounds like what you were saying about Blake Lively not wanting an intimacy coordinator on the set is just another plant against her, because I've got the document what purports to be the document that she submitted her demands and number eighteen of that thirty point list is an intimacy coordinator must be on set for all scenes involving nudity and or simulated sex, and must have a monitor to ensure compliance.

So this is Blake Lively's request.

So this is Blake Lively's request.

Rob Shooter, let's go through this thirty point request. What do you make no spontaneous improvised In other words, don't bite my lip and suck on it during kissing scenes. Physical touching must only be done in connection with the character and scene work. No discussion with lively of personal experiences with sex or nudity.

Rob Shooter, let's go through this thirty point request. What do you make no spontaneous improvised In other words, don't bite my lip and suck on it during kissing scenes. Physical touching must only be done in connection with the character and scene work. No discussion with lively of personal experiences with sex or nudity.

What I mean, Rob Shearter, I had.

What I mean, Rob Shearter, I had.

The same investigator for eleven years. Okay, we did everything together. We only ever had one fight over O. J. Simpson for Pete's sake. That said, I would think somebody had killed him and was wearing his skin if he made a sex comment or tried to show me porn. He just wouldn't even think to do that. And she has to put this in a document. Don't show me any more porn. Please, don't talk about genitalia or your sex life.

The same investigator for eleven years. Okay, we did everything together. We only ever had one fight over O. J. Simpson for Pete's sake. That said, I would think somebody had killed him and was wearing his skin if he made a sex comment or tried to show me porn. He just wouldn't even think to do that. And she has to put this in a document. Don't show me any more porn. Please, don't talk about genitalia or your sex life.

She had to put that in writing.

She had to put that in writing.

Yeah, yeah, it sounds awful, doesn't it? When if he'll tell you.

Yeah, yeah, it sounds awful, doesn't it? When if he'll tell you.

This documents many, many times. It's pretty standard when you sign up a big star. Often celebrities that are not that famous don't have this much power, but Blake certainly does. They can have clauses in their contracts, no nudity, no shots from behind.

This documents many, many times. It's pretty standard when you sign up a big star. Often celebrities that are not that famous don't have this much power, but Blake certainly does. They can have clauses in their contracts, no nudity, no shots from behind.

What's interesting about.

What's interesting about.

This to me is that the movie business, the music business, it's a messy business. And you and me, Nancy and our jobs, we are not having sets on camera. They are, and so because the job is so unusual, the job is so intimate.

This to me is that the movie business, the music business, it's a messy business. And you and me, Nancy and our jobs, we are not having sets on camera. They are, and so because the job is so unusual, the job is so intimate.

Being an actor is such.

Being an actor is such.

An odd profession that these conversations need to be had. I think where he let her down is not just as an actor. He was the producer. It was his job to have a safe set. And if she insisted on all these all these details as a producer, if he agreed to that, which he did, then she had every right to have all her demands met. So I think she's got quite a strong case against him here as somebody who was really not just the star of the movie.

An odd profession that these conversations need to be had. I think where he let her down is not just as an actor. He was the producer. It was his job to have a safe set. And if she insisted on all these all these details as a producer, if he agreed to that, which he did, then she had every right to have all her demands met. So I think she's got quite a strong case against him here as somebody who was really not just the star of the movie.

He also was the producer. It's his movie.

He also was the producer. It's his movie.

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Justin Baldoni.

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Justin Baldoni.

Working with this, crisis management pr specialist Melissa Nathan sent examples of a viral social media thread accusing another celebrity of bullying, writing this is what we would need. According to the New York Times report, Nathan soon floated proposals to hire contractors to dominate social media through full social account takedowns, by starting threads of theories and generally working to change narrative. All of this would be most importantly untraceable.

Working with this, crisis management pr specialist Melissa Nathan sent examples of a viral social media thread accusing another celebrity of bullying, writing this is what we would need. According to the New York Times report, Nathan soon floated proposals to hire contractors to dominate social media through full social account takedowns, by starting threads of theories and generally working to change narrative. All of this would be most importantly untraceable.

She wrote, Wow, okay, decipher that I'm only used to Latin phrases and lawyers throwing around legal terms to Rob Sheeter, what are they saying.

She wrote, Wow, okay, decipher that I'm only used to Latin phrases and lawyers throwing around legal terms to Rob Sheeter, what are they saying.

They're saying that he hired a PRT to trash Blake Lively, and I think that is going to be hard to prove not true. Shortly after this PR team was hired, lots of stories started to pop up.

They're saying that he hired a PRT to trash Blake Lively, and I think that is going to be hard to prove not true. Shortly after this PR team was hired, lots of stories started to pop up.

They were really.

They were really.

Unflattering about Blake. Now I've been doing this a long time, Nancy. I would argue that eighteen ninety percent of the calls that I get are publicists trying to spread a rumor or something something mean.

Unflattering about Blake. Now I've been doing this a long time, Nancy. I would argue that eighteen ninety percent of the calls that I get are publicists trying to spread a rumor or something something mean.

And I think that this looks like it's pretty clear here.

And I think that this looks like it's pretty clear here.

Shortly after his PR experts started, we started to see really tough stories about her. I've got to say, though, Nancy, this is awful, but it's not unusual.

Shortly after his PR experts started, we started to see really tough stories about her. I've got to say, though, Nancy, this is awful, but it's not unusual.

Yll Okay, and I thought the law was a big sty Okay, this was a big mistake as well.

Yll Okay, and I thought the law was a big sty Okay, this was a big mistake as well.

I find it really interesting.

I find it really interesting.

Let me go out to Ashley Ward Law, private Investigator Chief Operation Officer Nathan's investigations.

Let me go out to Ashley Ward Law, private Investigator Chief Operation Officer Nathan's investigations.

Actually, I was wondering, how.

Actually, I was wondering, how.

Did they get ahold of these alleged texts? Okay, how did they get Baldoni's texts. How did they get his PR team's text? Well, as it turns out, and correct me if I'm wrong. Everybody on the panel, someone on his PR team either quit or got fired and made those texts available to Blake Lively's camp.

Did they get ahold of these alleged texts? Okay, how did they get Baldoni's texts. How did they get his PR team's text? Well, as it turns out, and correct me if I'm wrong. Everybody on the panel, someone on his PR team either quit or got fired and made those texts available to Blake Lively's camp.

That's where the text came from.

That's where the text came from.

No need for a subpoena, talk about a smoking gun.

No need for a subpoena, talk about a smoking gun.

This is a bullet for Pete's sake.

This is a bullet for Pete's sake.

Ashley, Yes, yes, text messages could be detrimental to a case. I would say, you're right, those messages would have had to be leaked, especially if they weren't present in court or you know, a subpoena was an issue already.

Ashley, Yes, yes, text messages could be detrimental to a case. I would say, you're right, those messages would have had to be leaked, especially if they weren't present in court or you know, a subpoena was an issue already.

Again, you can't believe a screenshot.

Again, you can't believe a screenshot.

So someone may have sent this over and said, hey, here's what I have for you guys to use. But the only way to reduce those text messages is to really do a data extraction and show the entire, the entire thread of tech messages, not just from one end, but everything in full.

So someone may have sent this over and said, hey, here's what I have for you guys to use. But the only way to reduce those text messages is to really do a data extraction and show the entire, the entire thread of tech messages, not just from one end, but everything in full.

Okay, Daryl Cohen, celebrity lawyer Darryl this is a yes no answer.

Okay, Daryl Cohen, celebrity lawyer Darryl this is a yes no answer.

Okay, you're on cross right now. Don't try to explain.

Okay, you're on cross right now. Don't try to explain.

We know about attorney client privilege we know priest, parishioner, we know husband wife. There is no PR guru client privilege. If you say things to your PR person or your media team, they can state that in court. And here's a hard learned lesson. Remember when Monica Lewinsky's mother, I believe it was, had to testify in front of a grand jury. There's no mom daughter privilege, much less a PR guru client privilege.

We know about attorney client privilege we know priest, parishioner, we know husband wife. There is no PR guru client privilege. If you say things to your PR person or your media team, they can state that in court. And here's a hard learned lesson. Remember when Monica Lewinsky's mother, I believe it was, had to testify in front of a grand jury. There's no mom daughter privilege, much less a PR guru client privilege.

So you know, all bets are off.

So you know, all bets are off.

This PR person could hand over these texts.

This PR person could hand over these texts.

To anybody that answered.

To anybody that answered.

She's under no duty of confidentiality, is she unless they signed one, unless.

She's under no duty of confidentiality, is she unless they signed one, unless.

She has a non disclosure, She's not under a duty. But what must happen is it must happen in context. Yes, these are available. Yes they can be used, but they can also be abused. Don't get mad get even make sure that the publicist is well coached and knows how to explain what happened and why if it.

She has a non disclosure, She's not under a duty. But what must happen is it must happen in context. Yes, these are available. Yes they can be used, but they can also be abused. Don't get mad get even make sure that the publicist is well coached and knows how to explain what happened and why if it.

Ever gets o Oh wait, hey, Darryl, look at your screen. I don't like this. Had you she was off promoting it as if it was Barbie.

Ever gets o Oh wait, hey, Darryl, look at your screen. I don't like this. Had you she was off promoting it as if it was Barbie.

It's just based on things that she said directly. Whoa look at what.

It's just based on things that she said directly. Whoa look at what.

They're saying about her of course that's not a crime. But if she can show this damaged her business and her credibility and her reputation, yeah, they're up the proverbial creek without a paddle. Of course, Baldonian his team claim none of this is true and it has been taken out of context. Well we'll see, because there are two more million dollar lawsuits brewing.

They're saying about her of course that's not a crime. But if she can show this damaged her business and her credibility and her reputation, yeah, they're up the proverbial creek without a paddle. Of course, Baldonian his team claim none of this is true and it has been taken out of context. Well we'll see, because there are two more million dollar lawsuits brewing.

Now, this was a.

Now, this was a.

Bad move, and apparently there is a digital footprint of this, a trail, so to speak.

Bad move, and apparently there is a digital footprint of this, a trail, so to speak.

They dragged in Taylor Swift.

They dragged in Taylor Swift.

Uh oh.

Uh oh.

Taylor Swift is mentioned in the lawsuit twice, namely in a scenario planning document that was written by Baldoni's PR team at TAG PR, headed up by Melissa Nathan. In the document, a discussion of ways to possibly target Lively in the press in a negative manner is explored. The scenario planning document states that TAG could also explore planting stories about the weaponization of feminism and how people in Lively circle, like Taylor Swift, have been accused of utilizing these tactics to bully into getting what they want. Taylor Swift is mentioned a second time in an alleged message from Melissa and Nathan to Jennifer abel, a public relations executive. In the message, Nathan talks about Blake Lively's fan base while talking about a meal social media plan that would help suppress negative content about Baldoni and amplify negative content about Lively. Nathan notes that because Lively and Swift are close friends, the actress has the support of Swift's fans. Nathan points out that Lively does have some of the Swift fan base, so we will be taking it extremely seriously to a.

Taylor Swift is mentioned in the lawsuit twice, namely in a scenario planning document that was written by Baldoni's PR team at TAG PR, headed up by Melissa Nathan. In the document, a discussion of ways to possibly target Lively in the press in a negative manner is explored. The scenario planning document states that TAG could also explore planting stories about the weaponization of feminism and how people in Lively circle, like Taylor Swift, have been accused of utilizing these tactics to bully into getting what they want. Taylor Swift is mentioned a second time in an alleged message from Melissa and Nathan to Jennifer abel, a public relations executive. In the message, Nathan talks about Blake Lively's fan base while talking about a meal social media plan that would help suppress negative content about Baldoni and amplify negative content about Lively. Nathan notes that because Lively and Swift are close friends, the actress has the support of Swift's fans. Nathan points out that Lively does have some of the Swift fan base, so we will be taking it extremely seriously to a.

High profile psychoanalysts joining us out of Beverly Hills, doctor Bethany Marshall. You see what's happening here, So if it's true, and Baldoni says it's not, a takedown on Blake Lively.

High profile psychoanalysts joining us out of Beverly Hills, doctor Bethany Marshall. You see what's happening here, So if it's true, and Baldoni says it's not, a takedown on Blake Lively.

Was happening, and they wrote in another.

Was happening, and they wrote in another.

Famous woman, Taylor Swift, to make her seem like she bullies people to get what she wants.

Famous woman, Taylor Swift, to make her seem like she bullies people to get what she wants.

I mean, you see the common thread here.

I mean, you see the common thread here.

Two beautiful, successful and powerful women are being dragged down because they're quote mean, Who cares you, Nancy?

Two beautiful, successful and powerful women are being dragged down because they're quote mean, Who cares you, Nancy?

If we were covering a rape case, would we see the woman deserved be raped because she wore a short skirt, or she was in the wrong part of town, or we didn't like her personality. No, a rape is a rape. This is such a common pattern in Hollywood. Think about Harvey Weinstein. What happened when you're harassed women and they start have to tell you think their careers. P Diddy, which we've been covering, has been all over the news. What was a part of his offending pattern? If a woman or a man stood up to him, he would harass, he would stalk, he would try to take down their reputations. So this pattern is so common I urge everybody to see it. In terms of whether or not Blake Lively is mean, it has nothing to do with it. The viewers should ask themselves if they wrote like a bad email at work, does their boss deserve to harass.

If we were covering a rape case, would we see the woman deserved be raped because she wore a short skirt, or she was in the wrong part of town, or we didn't like her personality. No, a rape is a rape. This is such a common pattern in Hollywood. Think about Harvey Weinstein. What happened when you're harassed women and they start have to tell you think their careers. P Diddy, which we've been covering, has been all over the news. What was a part of his offending pattern? If a woman or a man stood up to him, he would harass, he would stalk, he would try to take down their reputations. So this pattern is so common I urge everybody to see it. In terms of whether or not Blake Lively is mean, it has nothing to do with it. The viewers should ask themselves if they wrote like a bad email at work, does their boss deserve to harass.

Them for it?

Them for it?

I mean, it's just like a huge logic flaw. And we also know, Nancy, there are no pure victims. There aren't because there are no pure people all of us.

I mean, it's just like a huge logic flaw. And we also know, Nancy, there are no pure victims. There aren't because there are no pure people all of us.

I don't get doctor Bethany.

I don't get doctor Bethany.

If your coworker comes to you and says, hey, this thing you're doing bothers me, will you not do it? I mean, with all the money writing on this movie, I don't understand why he wouldn't just say, if this is all true, by the way, you know what, I'm sorry.

If your coworker comes to you and says, hey, this thing you're doing bothers me, will you not do it? I mean, with all the money writing on this movie, I don't understand why he wouldn't just say, if this is all true, by the way, you know what, I'm sorry.

I did that. I screwed up. I'm not doing that anymore. I'm really sorry.

I did that. I screwed up. I'm not doing that anymore. I'm really sorry.

Instead of now we've got all these multimillion dollar lawsuits playing out to lyn Shaw joining me founder executive director Lynn's Warriors, dedicated to ending human trafficking and protecting specifically women and girls. What do you make of it now that you know? In her thirty point doc she demanded an intimacy coordinator on the set.

Instead of now we've got all these multimillion dollar lawsuits playing out to lyn Shaw joining me founder executive director Lynn's Warriors, dedicated to ending human trafficking and protecting specifically women and girls. What do you make of it now that you know? In her thirty point doc she demanded an intimacy coordinator on the set.

Nancy, she demanded it, but she did not meet with the intimacy coordinator. So that's something everybody should be looking at. Why didn't she meet again? She said to Justin, you go ahead and I'll meet the coordinator when I get to the set. You get all the information, let you let me discuss it. But here's what I want to say. So that's really bothering me. And I'll tell you why. I wish we could flip this around. This movie was about domestic violence, a woman's relationship, a woman's worth, a woman owning a business, a young woman. You know why I wish in this movie they focused on doing some good for domestic violence victims, you know, putting that out there. Now, what do we have we have this big I don't know what to call this whole thing. My focus is on the real victims, the real victims in real life that we never talk about, that were not helping.

Nancy, she demanded it, but she did not meet with the intimacy coordinator. So that's something everybody should be looking at. Why didn't she meet again? She said to Justin, you go ahead and I'll meet the coordinator when I get to the set. You get all the information, let you let me discuss it. But here's what I want to say. So that's really bothering me. And I'll tell you why. I wish we could flip this around. This movie was about domestic violence, a woman's relationship, a woman's worth, a woman owning a business, a young woman. You know why I wish in this movie they focused on doing some good for domestic violence victims, you know, putting that out there. Now, what do we have we have this big I don't know what to call this whole thing. My focus is on the real victims, the real victims in real life that we never talk about, that were not helping.

You know what, Lincha, you know I'm glad you said that.

You know what, Lincha, you know I'm glad you said that.

For nine years of the ten plus years I prosecuted, at night, I volunteered, as you know, at the Batter Women's Center, and it was excruciating to hear what domestic violence and.

For nine years of the ten plus years I prosecuted, at night, I volunteered, as you know, at the Batter Women's Center, and it was excruciating to hear what domestic violence and.

Victims go through.

Victims go through.

By the time I got them in court, they were either dead or they were maimed like a broken hip or a broken leg or a broken collar bone as part of an aggravated battery from domestic assault.

By the time I got them in court, they were either dead or they were maimed like a broken hip or a broken leg or a broken collar bone as part of an aggravated battery from domestic assault.

You're absolutely right.

You're absolutely right.

I want to make it clear that Baldoni's reps have denied all of these claims, and they're thinking to Darryl Cohen, and what they're saying is that this lawsuit and everything Lively is doing now is her attempt to rehabilitate her reputation after it came out she was a quote mean girl.

I want to make it clear that Baldoni's reps have denied all of these claims, and they're thinking to Darryl Cohen, and what they're saying is that this lawsuit and everything Lively is doing now is her attempt to rehabilitate her reputation after it came out she was a quote mean girl.

I completely believe that that is the case. But also, Nancy, it's about the box It's about box office.

I completely believe that that is the case. But also, Nancy, it's about the box It's about box office.

It's about ticket sales.

It's about ticket sales.

Not just locally, not nationally, but internationally. And the more publicity, the more pressed, the more lawsuits that are involved, the more tickets that are sold, and it makes it much easier for her next role and the role after that, because there's always a place for mean girls and good girls and bad girls and bad guys. That's just the way Hollywood works. It always has and likely always will.

Not just locally, not nationally, but internationally. And the more publicity, the more pressed, the more lawsuits that are involved, the more tickets that are sold, and it makes it much easier for her next role and the role after that, because there's always a place for mean girls and good girls and bad girls and bad guys. That's just the way Hollywood works. It always has and likely always will.

What is the truth? There are dueling lawsuits.

What is the truth? There are dueling lawsuits.

We won't know until this finally goes to court, and we wait as justice unfolds.

We won't know until this finally goes to court, and we wait as justice unfolds.

Nancy Gray signing off Goodbye Friend,

Nancy Gray signing off Goodbye Friend,