Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

Location of your emergency? I don't.

Location of your emergency? I don't.

We don't know what what is.

We don't know what what is.

The of the emergency?

The of the emergency?

One one?

One one?

Who King?

Who King?

Trying on a location of your emergency?

Trying on a location of your emergency?

Something? Hope?

Something? Hope?

We don't know what what.

We don't know what what.

Is the as of the emergency? What is the rest of the address?

Is the as of the emergency? What is the rest of the address?

Oh King?

Oh King?

Two roads? Okay?

Two roads? Okay?

And there's that a house or an apartments?

And there's that a house or an apartments?

The house?

The house?

Can you repeat the address to make sure that I have it right.

Can you repeat the address to make sure that I have it right.

I'll talk to you, guys. We're we have a delights over.

I'll talk to you, guys. We're we have a delights over.

Next to them.

Next to them.

Just hearing that nine one one call makes all of our legal analysis and speculation about what may or may not happen at trial dim dim because we hear the fear and the terror in the voices of those co eds upon finding the bodies of their roommates in the last hours. Stunning and heart wrenching nine one one calls and texts have been released that reveal what the roommates did before they called nine one, well as well their movements. But first, let's hear the actual nine one one call and let me advise you. It's disturbing, and of course the Brian Coberger defense wants it suppressed.

Just hearing that nine one one call makes all of our legal analysis and speculation about what may or may not happen at trial dim dim because we hear the fear and the terror in the voices of those co eds upon finding the bodies of their roommates in the last hours. Stunning and heart wrenching nine one one calls and texts have been released that reveal what the roommates did before they called nine one, well as well their movements. But first, let's hear the actual nine one one call and let me advise you. It's disturbing, and of course the Brian Coberger defense wants it suppressed.

They don't want the jury to hear this. Wow, I wonder why tell.

They don't want the jury to hear this. Wow, I wonder why tell.

Me exactly what's going on?

Me exactly what's going on?

One of our one of the roommates has.

One of our one of the roommates has.

Passed out and she's drung class night and shn't wake me up.

Passed out and she's drung class night and shn't wake me up.

Oh, and they saw some men in their house.

Oh, and they saw some men in their house.

I was, yeah, Hian, are you in the pace? Okay?

I was, yeah, Hian, are you in the pace? Okay?

I need someone to keep the phone. Stop passing it around?

I need someone to keep the phone. Stop passing it around?

Can I just tell you what happened? Pretty much?

Can I just tell you what happened? Pretty much?

What is going on currently? If someone passed out right now.

What is going on currently? If someone passed out right now.

I don't really know what pretty much for you in Okay.

I don't really know what pretty much for you in Okay.

I need to know what's going on right now. If someone has passed out, can you find that out?

I need to know what's going on right now. If someone has passed out, can you find that out?

Yeah, I'll come on a medical check.

Yeah, I'll come on a medical check.

We have to.

We have to.

I wonder how that nine one one dispatcher feels right now as we hear her say, uh, stop passing it around and being.

I wonder how that nine one one dispatcher feels right now as we hear her say, uh, stop passing it around and being.

Completely rude to these co eds calling in.

Completely rude to these co eds calling in.

Now.

Now.

You see the difference in the voice of the second caller, and she's sounds much calmer than you know what. Let's listen to the first one now, and I don't on.

You see the difference in the voice of the second caller, and she's sounds much calmer than you know what. Let's listen to the first one now, and I don't on.

Location of the emergency.

Location of the emergency.

Something he's talking to you.

Something he's talking to you.

Don't know what what is the address of the emergency? What is the rest of the address oh king, okay, and is that a house or an apartment? It's a house. Can you repeat the address to make sure that I have it right.

Don't know what what is the address of the emergency? What is the rest of the address oh king, okay, and is that a house or an apartment? It's a house. Can you repeat the address to make sure that I have it right.

I'll talk to you guys. We're we live at the lights, so we're next to them.

I'll talk to you guys. We're we live at the lights, so we're next to them.

You can hear the sobbing and the hysteria in the background of that nine on one call. Now compare it to the next comments.

You can hear the sobbing and the hysteria in the background of that nine on one call. Now compare it to the next comments.

Tell me exactly what's going on.

Tell me exactly what's going on.

One of our one of the roommates.

One of our one of the roommates.

Whos passed out and she's drunk class night and.

Whos passed out and she's drunk class night and.

She's not wake me up.

She's not wake me up.

It's okay.

It's okay.

Oh, and they saw some man in their house house night.

Oh, and they saw some man in their house house night.

Yeah, an, are you with the patient? Okay?

Yeah, an, are you with the patient? Okay?

I need someone to keep the phone, stop passing it around.

I need someone to keep the phone, stop passing it around.

Can I just tell you what happened?

Can I just tell you what happened?

Pretty much?

Pretty much?

What is going on currently? If someone passed out right now, I don't really know what pretty much at PIM Okay, I need to know what's going on right now? If someone has passed out, can you find that out?

What is going on currently? If someone passed out right now, I don't really know what pretty much at PIM Okay, I need to know what's going on right now? If someone has passed out, can you find that out?

No, check.

No, check.

What we have to And there you hear the surviving victim speaking, and she begins to tell what happened.

What we have to And there you hear the surviving victim speaking, and she begins to tell what happened.

She says pretty much at four a m.

She says pretty much at four a m.

And the dispatch operator cuts in and goes, yeah, I don't need to know that. I need to know if somebody passed out. Can you find that out?

And the dispatch operator cuts in and goes, yeah, I don't need to know that. I need to know if somebody passed out. Can you find that out?

Okay, let's keep going.

Okay, let's keep going.

She's not waking up.

She's not waking up.

Okay, one moment, I'm going to help hert.

Okay, one moment, I'm going to help hert.

It that way.

It that way.

You're crying and heavy breathing between sobs. In the background, it was almost unintelligible. Now they've got a guy friend that's been brought over, and you hear him screaming.

You're crying and heavy breathing between sobs. In the background, it was almost unintelligible. Now they've got a guy friend that's been brought over, and you hear him screaming.

Xana, Ethan.

Xana, Ethan.

Unintelligible right now, get somebody here right now, and the continued sobbing, and you hear someone.

Unintelligible right now, get somebody here right now, and the continued sobbing, and you hear someone.

Yelling Xana, Xana.

Yelling Xana, Xana.

And I only can imagine at that moment to Chris McDonough joining me. He and I've been to the scene many many times, them shaking Xanna, yelling at Xana, trying to make her wake up. No wonder Coburger wants this suppressed so the jury will never hear it, because it takes you to that moment when they realize their roommates have all been murdered.

And I only can imagine at that moment to Chris McDonough joining me. He and I've been to the scene many many times, them shaking Xanna, yelling at Xana, trying to make her wake up. No wonder Coburger wants this suppressed so the jury will never hear it, because it takes you to that moment when they realize their roommates have all been murdered.

Absolutely, Nancy, I mean, this is a very powerful nine one one call. It also gives us a clear understanding of the state of mind of everybody that was experiencing this horror that very moment. I mean to the point where you know, there's almost a disbelief that takes place. And I've heard, like you and many others, hundreds of these phone calls, and these kids imagine going upstairs and witnessing what they've witnessed is just horrific. It's absolutely horrific.

Absolutely, Nancy, I mean, this is a very powerful nine one one call. It also gives us a clear understanding of the state of mind of everybody that was experiencing this horror that very moment. I mean to the point where you know, there's almost a disbelief that takes place. And I've heard, like you and many others, hundreds of these phone calls, and these kids imagine going upstairs and witnessing what they've witnessed is just horrific. It's absolutely horrific.

I'm just thinking how they are going to try to get the nine on one calls suppressed.

I'm just thinking how they are going to try to get the nine on one calls suppressed.

It's really hard to do. To doctor Bethany.

It's really hard to do. To doctor Bethany.

Marshall, first of all, we were just speaking to Chris mcdonna. He is the star of the Interview Room on his own YouTube channel, but for my purposes, he is a veteran homicide detective with over three hundred death scenes under his belt. He's at Coldcasefoundation dot org. Doctor Bethany, these two surviving victims, Dylan and Bethany, have been attacked, maligned, mistreated, all sorts of accusations hurled their way.

Marshall, first of all, we were just speaking to Chris mcdonna. He is the star of the Interview Room on his own YouTube channel, but for my purposes, he is a veteran homicide detective with over three hundred death scenes under his belt. He's at Coldcasefoundation dot org. Doctor Bethany, these two surviving victims, Dylan and Bethany, have been attacked, maligned, mistreated, all sorts of accusations hurled their way.

None of it matters when you hear this nine one one call. None of that matters.

None of it matters when you hear this nine one one call. None of that matters.

I remember when I first started prosecuting, I would try to, you know, reshape the victims or witnesses to give a better impression.

I remember when I first started prosecuting, I would try to, you know, reshape the victims or witnesses to give a better impression.

That lasted one trial I'm like, forget it.

That lasted one trial I'm like, forget it.

Take your witness as you find them, and whether the cross exam nothing is going to matter to this jury.

Take your witness as you find them, and whether the cross exam nothing is going to matter to this jury.

When they hear that nine to one one call. No matter how the defense tries to attack.

When they hear that nine to one one call. No matter how the defense tries to attack.

These girls, Nancy, this nine to one one call is the first witness and the last witness in this case. It's uncontrovertible truth. You cannot take away from it. You cannot minimize, you cannot cross examine a tape and try to tell the witnesses, Oh, they weren't really that emotional and they were making it up. It's right there. You hear the shock, the shock in comprehension, trying to make sense of what's going on, the hysteria. As you said earlier, also, Nancy, fear, profound fear. They say there was a man in the house last night, So in a house where they feel vulnerable at that point too guilt that is their roommate and not them. You know, Nancy, the tapes are going to be suppressed because these voices don't lie. They are real, true, raw, jagged emotion.

These girls, Nancy, this nine to one one call is the first witness and the last witness in this case. It's uncontrovertible truth. You cannot take away from it. You cannot minimize, you cannot cross examine a tape and try to tell the witnesses, Oh, they weren't really that emotional and they were making it up. It's right there. You hear the shock, the shock in comprehension, trying to make sense of what's going on, the hysteria. As you said earlier, also, Nancy, fear, profound fear. They say there was a man in the house last night, So in a house where they feel vulnerable at that point too guilt that is their roommate and not them. You know, Nancy, the tapes are going to be suppressed because these voices don't lie. They are real, true, raw, jagged emotion.

I'm going out now to crime Stories. Investigative reporter who has devoted herself to researching and investigating, pouring over every detail, every photo, every word of transcript in this case, Sidney's summer joining us. Could you clarify for everyone who is Hunter Johnson?

I'm going out now to crime Stories. Investigative reporter who has devoted herself to researching and investigating, pouring over every detail, every photo, every word of transcript in this case, Sidney's summer joining us. Could you clarify for everyone who is Hunter Johnson?

So Nancy Hunter Johnson is referred to only as HJ in court documents, but when you read the Gonzalvest statement in response to this nine to one one call being made public, they mention Hunter Johnson. He is a friend of Ethan Shapins, and he is that male voice that you're hearing on the nine to one one call, according to the Gonsolvest' family. So the context that we can kind of gather what I'm hearing at least, is that Hunter is the one who couldn't get a hold of Sethan finally decides, you know they're not answering the bedroom door. I'm going to step in here and see what's going on. So he opens that door. He sees Vanna's body, and at this point he knows that something is really wrong. He can immediately tells beth Andy Funk to call nine one one, but it seems like he didn't give her the full story of what was going on, so he tells her that Zana needs help. She needs to call nine one one, but doesn't really explain everything. So when you hear them, we need to go check, we need to get more information for the dispatcher. They go inside to talk to Hunter to see what's going on, and they're asking, is she okay? Is she passed out? Because he hasn't told them what he is seeing in an effort to protect them, maybe keep them calm so they can get nine one one there, And you can hear him get out, get out, get out, telling them to back out of the room because he doesn't want them to see the horror that he is experiencing.

So Nancy Hunter Johnson is referred to only as HJ in court documents, but when you read the Gonzalvest statement in response to this nine to one one call being made public, they mention Hunter Johnson. He is a friend of Ethan Shapins, and he is that male voice that you're hearing on the nine to one one call, according to the Gonsolvest' family. So the context that we can kind of gather what I'm hearing at least, is that Hunter is the one who couldn't get a hold of Sethan finally decides, you know they're not answering the bedroom door. I'm going to step in here and see what's going on. So he opens that door. He sees Vanna's body, and at this point he knows that something is really wrong. He can immediately tells beth Andy Funk to call nine one one, but it seems like he didn't give her the full story of what was going on, so he tells her that Zana needs help. She needs to call nine one one, but doesn't really explain everything. So when you hear them, we need to go check, we need to get more information for the dispatcher. They go inside to talk to Hunter to see what's going on, and they're asking, is she okay? Is she passed out? Because he hasn't told them what he is seeing in an effort to protect them, maybe keep them calm so they can get nine one one there, And you can hear him get out, get out, get out, telling them to back out of the room because he doesn't want them to see the horror that he is experiencing.

When you know what you're looking for, and you'll have to the drill have to be told this in advance. When you know what you're looking for or listening for, you clearly hear him h J. Hunter yelling Xana Athan and then you hear him again, yelling for Xana Cronodle to wake up.

When you know what you're looking for, and you'll have to the drill have to be told this in advance. When you know what you're looking for or listening for, you clearly hear him h J. Hunter yelling Xana Athan and then you hear him again, yelling for Xana Cronodle to wake up.

Here. We hear him again, listen, yeah.

Here. We hear him again, listen, yeah.

Okay, and how old is she?

Okay, and how old is she?

She's twenty.

She's twenty.

Twenty, you said.

Twenty, you said.

Twenty.

Twenty.

Here's okay?

Here's okay?

Hello, Hello, okay, I need someone to stop passing the phone around because I've talked to four different people.

Hello, Hello, okay, I need someone to stop passing the phone around because I've talked to four different people.

Hey, sorry, they just gave me the phone.

Hey, sorry, they just gave me the phone.

Is she breathing?

Is she breathing?

Shell?

Shell?

He? Is she breathing? No?

He? Is she breathing? No?

What is wrong with this dispatch operator? But you know what, that's neither here nor there. Here we are hearing HJ. Hunter talking to dispatch, and at the beginning you hear heavy breathing, someone whispering, whispering something unintelligible that seems to end with the word blood.

What is wrong with this dispatch operator? But you know what, that's neither here nor there. Here we are hearing HJ. Hunter talking to dispatch, and at the beginning you hear heavy breathing, someone whispering, whispering something unintelligible that seems to end with the word blood.

And then you hear him turn around.

And then you hear him turn around.

And yell get out, get out, get out.

And yell get out, get out, get out.

And crying.

And crying.

And then you hear a female voice crying, and then you hear dispatch being rude.

And then you hear a female voice crying, and then you hear dispatch being rude.

Again. Let's hear more of the n I'm on one called just released.

Again. Let's hear more of the n I'm on one called just released.

And I can't talk to him.

And I can't talk to him.

Hello, okay, I have already sent to be ambulance and law enforcement.

Hello, okay, I have already sent to be ambulance and law enforcement.

Stay on the line. If there's a fibrillator available, send someone to get it now and tell me when.

Stay on the line. If there's a fibrillator available, send someone to get it now and tell me when.

You have it.

You have it.

Again, there's a poet here right now.

Again, there's a poet here right now.

Okay. If there's a deibrillator available, send someone to get it now and tell me when you have it.

Okay. If there's a deibrillator available, send someone to get it now and tell me when you have it.

Do you have a disipulator?

Do you have a disipulator?

Guess do you have one?

Guess do you have one?

Are you talking to the officer? Yes, Okay, I'm gonna let you go to see there with you and can.

Are you talking to the officer? Yes, Okay, I'm gonna let you go to see there with you and can.

Help you well, okay, thank you fine.

Help you well, okay, thank you fine.

Okay to Sydney Summer, joining us at Crime Stories, investigative reporter, Sydney, you hear dispatch clearly not understanding what's happening. Not their fault, because even the girls right now don't really understand what's happening. The only one that knows what has happened to a certain degree is Hunter Johnson.

Okay to Sydney Summer, joining us at Crime Stories, investigative reporter, Sydney, you hear dispatch clearly not understanding what's happening. Not their fault, because even the girls right now don't really understand what's happening. The only one that knows what has happened to a certain degree is Hunter Johnson.

He saw obviously that they were.

He saw obviously that they were.

Dead and told Dylan and Bethany to get out, yelling at them, get out, get out, don't don't.

Dead and told Dylan and Bethany to get out, yelling at them, get out, get out, don't don't.

Go in there.

Go in there.

A defibrillator would not have helped at that point, Sydney.

A defibrillator would not have helped at that point, Sydney.

No, Nancy, absolutely not. And that's the point that involve a family made. And their statement about this nine one one call is again, remember as you're hearing this, if they had called nine one one at four fifty am, the result would have been the same. All four of these students still would have lost their lives. And Nancy, I do think it's interesting that the girls, everyone on this nine one one call mentions the man that they saw in their house at four am multiple times, So as they're making this nine one one call, the girls know enough to feel like that is connected in some way or sheep or form, they feel that's important enough to tell the nine one one dispatcher. So it's unclear exactly who knew what in this moment, but it does feel like it was important to them that this possible break in be mentioned right off the back.

No, Nancy, absolutely not. And that's the point that involve a family made. And their statement about this nine one one call is again, remember as you're hearing this, if they had called nine one one at four fifty am, the result would have been the same. All four of these students still would have lost their lives. And Nancy, I do think it's interesting that the girls, everyone on this nine one one call mentions the man that they saw in their house at four am multiple times, So as they're making this nine one one call, the girls know enough to feel like that is connected in some way or sheep or form, they feel that's important enough to tell the nine one one dispatcher. So it's unclear exactly who knew what in this moment, but it does feel like it was important to them that this possible break in be mentioned right off the back.

It does, Sidney Sumner.

It does, Sidney Sumner.

There is no a replacement, There is no substitute for preparation, for a careful review of every line, every document, every piece of evidence, because even one word, or in my case, in a serial murder case tried, one earring can prove so much.

There is no a replacement, There is no substitute for preparation, for a careful review of every line, every document, every piece of evidence, because even one word, or in my case, in a serial murder case tried, one earring can prove so much.

And what you just said I find incredibly valuable.

And what you just said I find incredibly valuable.

And I'll tell you why, Sidney Summer, Because we know that the eyewitness that spotted who the state says is Brian Coburger, his build, his color, his hair color, his bushy eyebrows. They're going to try and destroy her. But what she just said on the nine one one call is called an excited utterance. Whether that really fits this scenario or not, that's what it's called under the law. This is before she had time to fabricate a story as it will be claimed. This is what's happening on the scene. And you're right, Sidney, and you've identified. The importance of the witness is noting then there was a guy in the house. If the dispatch hadn't interrupted her, we would have heard more right about what happened around four am. You're right, she is connecting the murders to the intruder in the home. Now, you also heard Sidney Sumner, our reporter, talking about what the Gonsalvest family said. Kelly's family and I got to tell you these families have been through hell, hell, and it's not over yet. There's a trial to be had, But I want you to hear what they have to say about this nine on one call. In all their suffering, they maintain not only courage, but grace.

And I'll tell you why, Sidney Summer, Because we know that the eyewitness that spotted who the state says is Brian Coburger, his build, his color, his hair color, his bushy eyebrows. They're going to try and destroy her. But what she just said on the nine one one call is called an excited utterance. Whether that really fits this scenario or not, that's what it's called under the law. This is before she had time to fabricate a story as it will be claimed. This is what's happening on the scene. And you're right, Sidney, and you've identified. The importance of the witness is noting then there was a guy in the house. If the dispatch hadn't interrupted her, we would have heard more right about what happened around four am. You're right, she is connecting the murders to the intruder in the home. Now, you also heard Sidney Sumner, our reporter, talking about what the Gonsalvest family said. Kelly's family and I got to tell you these families have been through hell, hell, and it's not over yet. There's a trial to be had, But I want you to hear what they have to say about this nine on one call. In all their suffering, they maintain not only courage, but grace.

The Gonzalvez family releases a statement they say every ragged breath, cry, and trimmor in the student's voices reveals a cruel reality. They experienced, the kind of horror that shakes you to your deepest core.

The Gonzalvez family releases a statement they say every ragged breath, cry, and trimmor in the student's voices reveals a cruel reality. They experienced, the kind of horror that shakes you to your deepest core.

Tell me exactly what's on.

Tell me exactly what's on.

One of the roommates has passed out as she's young class night and short way up. Oh. Also, man in their house was right.

One of the roommates has passed out as she's young class night and short way up. Oh. Also, man in their house was right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

In the last hours, heart wrenching nine one one calls have been released of what was going on. At the scene of the murder when the roommates wake up and discover for people they didn't know at the time, they were all dead. For Beautiful Beautiful University, Idaho students, this as a smirky selfie emerges of Oh.

In the last hours, heart wrenching nine one one calls have been released of what was going on. At the scene of the murder when the roommates wake up and discover for people they didn't know at the time, they were all dead. For Beautiful Beautiful University, Idaho students, this as a smirky selfie emerges of Oh.

Thank you, Brian Coberg.

Thank you, Brian Coberg.

This is around ten twenty ten thirty in the morning, ten thirty one am to be precise. Interesting, this is just after the murders that said take a listen to this. You of course you know this is coming. Those nine one one calls are so powerful the defense is fighting tooth and claw to get them suppressed.

This is around ten twenty ten thirty in the morning, ten thirty one am to be precise. Interesting, this is just after the murders that said take a listen to this. You of course you know this is coming. Those nine one one calls are so powerful the defense is fighting tooth and claw to get them suppressed.

Law enforcement released the nine to one one recording after the prosecutors unsealed a court document with transcript of the call. The filing in response to Coberg's argument the jury should not hear the nine to one one call. The attorneys argue that the call was improperly submitted as evidence, as many off the statements meet in the.

Law enforcement released the nine to one one recording after the prosecutors unsealed a court document with transcript of the call. The filing in response to Coberg's argument the jury should not hear the nine to one one call. The attorneys argue that the call was improperly submitted as evidence, as many off the statements meet in the.

Call are hearsay.

Call are hearsay.

Judge John Judge already ruled that the statements in question fall under present tense impression and excited utterance exceptions, but defense attorneys are making the argument again with Ada County Judge Stephen Hipler.

Judge John Judge already ruled that the statements in question fall under present tense impression and excited utterance exceptions, but defense attorneys are making the argument again with Ada County Judge Stephen Hipler.

Joining me high profile lawyer out of the LA jurisdiction Philip Debay, Okay.

Joining me high profile lawyer out of the LA jurisdiction Philip Debay, Okay.

You know what you just heard.

You know what you just heard.

I'm going to throw a technical legal term at you is a big stink and pile a bs. Okay, that's what that legal motion is. And I don't know how defense attorneys keep doing it and have a straight face. You know, they make an argument that a nine to one one call shouldn't come in, when of course it's coming in. It's an excited utterance and it's a present tense impression.

I'm going to throw a technical legal term at you is a big stink and pile a bs. Okay, that's what that legal motion is. And I don't know how defense attorneys keep doing it and have a straight face. You know, they make an argument that a nine to one one call shouldn't come in, when of course it's coming in. It's an excited utterance and it's a present tense impression.

But also so of course it's going to come in.

But also so of course it's going to come in.

If the speaker takes the stand and can be cross examined on it.

If the speaker takes the stand and can be cross examined on it.

So what are they trying to do?

So what are they trying to do?

Well, I think what they're trying to establish is that you cannot use nine to one one calls to circumvent the rules against your say, and you've got to understand something in order for it to be a present sense impression. They have to be relaying what is happening in real time, in other words, as it occurs. And one of the things she says, there was a man in the house last night, So what are you going to do? You're going to state stale facts from the night before to get around the rules against her, say.

Well, I think what they're trying to establish is that you cannot use nine to one one calls to circumvent the rules against your say, and you've got to understand something in order for it to be a present sense impression. They have to be relaying what is happening in real time, in other words, as it occurs. And one of the things she says, there was a man in the house last night, So what are you going to do? You're going to state stale facts from the night before to get around the rules against her, say.

First of all, what you just said is not true, because I have entered niemal one calls saying nim one calls internet into evidence by the murder victim, who obviously couldnt be cross examined unless you perform a seance in front of the jury crime stories with Nancy Grace. So the fact that the nine one one call or who is speaking on the naimal one call cannot be crossed is not a reason not to bring in the naimal one call. And the judge pointed out, I guess you think the judge is wrong too. Under excited utterance and present sense impression it's coming in.

First of all, what you just said is not true, because I have entered niemal one calls saying nim one calls internet into evidence by the murder victim, who obviously couldnt be cross examined unless you perform a seance in front of the jury crime stories with Nancy Grace. So the fact that the nine one one call or who is speaking on the naimal one call cannot be crossed is not a reason not to bring in the naimal one call. And the judge pointed out, I guess you think the judge is wrong too. Under excited utterance and present sense impression it's coming in.

Where would it end? What if she would have said, I saw a man in the house six years ago, shibuis, but I happened to find my roommates deceased in their bed today.

Where would it end? What if she would have said, I saw a man in the house six years ago, shibuis, but I happened to find my roommates deceased in their bed today.

But that's not what she said.

But that's not what she said.

No, but she said last night. So last night is a scale fact. It's not a present No, it's not sense impression.

No, but she said last night. So last night is a scale fact. It's not a present No, it's not sense impression.

How do you.

How do you.

Figure him up? You are misleading the viewers.

Figure him up? You are misleading the viewers.

Present tense present tense impression is what the speaker is saying.

Present tense present tense impression is what the speaker is saying.

At that moment.

At that moment.

It doesn't matter if she's recounting something that happened eight hours before, and when she says last night, that's something she can be cross examined on.

It doesn't matter if she's recounting something that happened eight hours before, and when she says last night, that's something she can be cross examined on.

Okay, you know what.

Okay, you know what.

I'm not a betting person, but why don't we bet right now on air?

I'm not a betting person, but why don't we bet right now on air?

This nine on one will come in.

This nine on one will come in.

Of course it will because anything to stick it to the defense, they're going to find tortured legal logic to get it into evidence. Of course, that's what they're gonna do.

Of course it will because anything to stick it to the defense, they're going to find tortured legal logic to get it into evidence. Of course, that's what they're gonna do.

Okay, you know what I lost to someone with real.

Okay, you know what I lost to someone with real.

Life experience and nine one calls Chris mcdonne and joining me. Homicide detective worked over three hundred homicide cases plus, he was advice.

Life experience and nine one calls Chris mcdonne and joining me. Homicide detective worked over three hundred homicide cases plus, he was advice.

You don't even want to know what he saw.

You don't even want to know what he saw.

Advice, Chris, have you ever in your life and all the cases you investigated, ever seeing the nine one one call excluded from evidence, suppressed so the jury could not hear it ever?

Advice, Chris, have you ever in your life and all the cases you investigated, ever seeing the nine one one call excluded from evidence, suppressed so the jury could not hear it ever?

One time?

One time?

No, and definitely not under these circumstances. I mean, your point is right on target, Nancy, with you know, the excited utterance here, it is the exception of the hearsay rule. And remember we also have to keep the frame of mind of the caller they are still thinking that their friend is passed out drunk from the night before, and the other person that grabbed the phone even started the conversation with that. So that's the present tense when it starts.

No, and definitely not under these circumstances. I mean, your point is right on target, Nancy, with you know, the excited utterance here, it is the exception of the hearsay rule. And remember we also have to keep the frame of mind of the caller they are still thinking that their friend is passed out drunk from the night before, and the other person that grabbed the phone even started the conversation with that. So that's the present tense when it starts.

In addition to the release in the past hours of those very disturbing nine on one calls, which of course the defense is trying to suppress, new cell phone data released that indicates what the surviving roommates did before calling nine to one one, And again the survivors have been attacked viciously. The murders occurred around four am, and you see the calls were made.

In addition to the release in the past hours of those very disturbing nine on one calls, which of course the defense is trying to suppress, new cell phone data released that indicates what the surviving roommates did before calling nine to one one, And again the survivors have been attacked viciously. The murders occurred around four am, and you see the calls were made.

Much later mid morning.

Much later mid morning.

Now we're getting a peak at what was happening in those early morning hours around.

Now we're getting a peak at what was happening in those early morning hours around.

Four a m. So far and jump in Sydney if I got any of this wrong.

Four a m. So far and jump in Sydney if I got any of this wrong.

We know they were all out really late, some of them in a group. They were at a food truck. Remember at the beginning of the investigation. Let's see this photo of them at the food truck. Because everybody at that food truck and standing in the group fell under suspicion. I recall there was a guy in the distance. All these people were tracked down and questioned. See the guy on the right kind of standing away. He was found, he was everybody was found and questioned. So we know they were at a food truck I believe, getting pasta super super early.

We know they were all out really late, some of them in a group. They were at a food truck. Remember at the beginning of the investigation. Let's see this photo of them at the food truck. Because everybody at that food truck and standing in the group fell under suspicion. I recall there was a guy in the distance. All these people were tracked down and questioned. See the guy on the right kind of standing away. He was found, he was everybody was found and questioned. So we know they were at a food truck I believe, getting pasta super super early.

In the morning.

In the morning.

I'm talking one, two, three. We know they went home. We know some of them ordered like uber eats. These are the last known images of some of the victims, and this became an evidentiary football at the beginning of the investigation, as LA law enforcement tried to track their last movements and who they would have come in contact.

I'm talking one, two, three. We know they went home. We know some of them ordered like uber eats. These are the last known images of some of the victims, and this became an evidentiary football at the beginning of the investigation, as LA law enforcement tried to track their last movements and who they would have come in contact.

With they go home.

With they go home.

Then naysayers immediately began vilifying Dylan and Bethany because they quote waited to call nine to one one. But I want you to see the text conversation between Dylan and Bethany.

Then naysayers immediately began vilifying Dylan and Bethany because they quote waited to call nine to one one. But I want you to see the text conversation between Dylan and Bethany.

No one is answering.

No one is answering.

I'm really confused right now.

I'm really confused right now.

Yeah, dude, what the Vanna was wearing all black?

Yeah, dude, what the Vanna was wearing all black?

I'm freaking out right now. No, it's like a ski mask.

I'm freaking out right now. No, it's like a ski mask.

Almost shut the fuck up.

Almost shut the fuck up.

Actually, like he had something over his forehead and mouth. Bethany, I'm not kidding.

Actually, like he had something over his forehead and mouth. Bethany, I'm not kidding.

I'm so freaked out.

I'm so freaked out.

So a mine, my phone is going to die, come to my room, run down here. I'm screwed though, Yeah, I know, but it's better than being alone.

So a mine, my phone is going to die, come to my room, run down here. I'm screwed though, Yeah, I know, but it's better than being alone.

Sidney Sumner joining me Crime Stories, investigative reporter, Sydney. Let's put this into context. Of course, the cell phone data experts are going to know exactly what time these texts were going back and forth between them. Dylan Mortenson's phone was dying and Bethany was trying to coax her to run to her room. Can you imagine running from room to room knowing that there's an intruder, or thinking there's an intruder in the home. One and remember how the girls were attacked because one opened the door and saw who the state contends to be Brian Coburger standing there, and we were all like, well, well not us, but others were, well, why didn't she called my one?

Sidney Sumner joining me Crime Stories, investigative reporter, Sydney. Let's put this into context. Of course, the cell phone data experts are going to know exactly what time these texts were going back and forth between them. Dylan Mortenson's phone was dying and Bethany was trying to coax her to run to her room. Can you imagine running from room to room knowing that there's an intruder, or thinking there's an intruder in the home. One and remember how the girls were attacked because one opened the door and saw who the state contends to be Brian Coburger standing there, and we were all like, well, well not us, but others were, well, why didn't she called my one?

One then seemingly attacking her.

One then seemingly attacking her.

Sure, tell me what you've gleaned about these text messages, Sidney, Nancy.

Sure, tell me what you've gleaned about these text messages, Sidney, Nancy.

I think these text messages are between two terrified co eds who don't know what's going on and have been out all night partying, drinking. So unfortunately they are not sober at this point, and their house is known to have sometimes strangers in it. They throw parties often, they have a lot of friends. There's five people living there, So in terms of having a stranger in the house, that's not super uncommon for them. And even if this person was not somebody they recognized and fruit them out, they might not immediately call nine to one one, not knowing whether or not this is someone who is supposed to be there at that point.

I think these text messages are between two terrified co eds who don't know what's going on and have been out all night partying, drinking. So unfortunately they are not sober at this point, and their house is known to have sometimes strangers in it. They throw parties often, they have a lot of friends. There's five people living there, So in terms of having a stranger in the house, that's not super uncommon for them. And even if this person was not somebody they recognized and fruit them out, they might not immediately call nine to one one, not knowing whether or not this is someone who is supposed to be there at that point.

Okay, brace yourselves, Philip Dubay joining me, high profile lawyer out of LA What would be the grounds? Okay, saggerate, no hyperbolek just tell me what could possibly be the grounds the defense will use to try and suppress these text messages.

Okay, brace yourselves, Philip Dubay joining me, high profile lawyer out of LA What would be the grounds? Okay, saggerate, no hyperbolek just tell me what could possibly be the grounds the defense will use to try and suppress these text messages.

Philip Debay that.

Philip Debay that.

It violates the rule of completeness. In other words, if you don't have the complete textual context, and all you're doing is just providing snippets, perhaps out of context, then what it does is it has a tendency to mislead the jury. So how you cure it is you allow all the texts in their entirety to come in so that the jury can read everything in harmony. Otherwise it has a tendency to mislead the tryer effect, and it's common not just with text messages. We see it where prosecutors try to admit recorded statements of a defendant recorded statements of a victim or of a witness, and in order to have a thorough opportunity to cross examine on each point, you need everything presented.

It violates the rule of completeness. In other words, if you don't have the complete textual context, and all you're doing is just providing snippets, perhaps out of context, then what it does is it has a tendency to mislead the jury. So how you cure it is you allow all the texts in their entirety to come in so that the jury can read everything in harmony. Otherwise it has a tendency to mislead the tryer effect, and it's common not just with text messages. We see it where prosecutors try to admit recorded statements of a defendant recorded statements of a victim or of a witness, and in order to have a thorough opportunity to cross examine on each point, you need everything presented.

Oh oh, how I would love to try a case I can to you and have you spout that out in front of a judge, because.

Oh oh, how I would love to try a case I can to you and have you spout that out in front of a judge, because.

The remedy for that is to say, fine.

The remedy for that is to say, fine.

We'll play the whole thing.

We'll play the whole thing.

Everybody, get comfy because it's about two hours here. We're just showing the relevant portion of the text dubet. Other text preceding this are talking about.

Everybody, get comfy because it's about two hours here. We're just showing the relevant portion of the text dubet. Other text preceding this are talking about.

Hey, where are we going to dinner? Where are you tonight?

Hey, where are we going to dinner? Where are you tonight?

Where are you tonight?

Where are you tonight?

Let's go home, let's order uber each Do you want noodles or do you want a hamburger?

Let's go home, let's order uber each Do you want noodles or do you want a hamburger?

Exactly?

Exactly?

We play the part about the attacks.

We play the part about the attacks.

But sure.

But sure.

The answer to that is sure, be careful what you want, my dear, for you will surely get it.

The answer to that is sure, be careful what you want, my dear, for you will surely get it.

The defense wants to hear the whole thing. I'm happy to play it with that.

The defense wants to hear the whole thing. I'm happy to play it with that.

Yes, noo, that make you happy, because that is the rule of completeness. In other words, both sides get to see the entire transcript, or hear the whole interview or the whole phone call.

Yes, noo, that make you happy, because that is the rule of completeness. In other words, both sides get to see the entire transcript, or hear the whole interview or the whole phone call.

Whether it's relevant or not.

Whether it's relevant or not.

Would that would that playcate your completeness objection?

Would that would that playcate your completeness objection?

It would cure it. Remember it's a legal objection, it's not. Yeah, of course it would.

It would cure it. Remember it's a legal objection, it's not. Yeah, of course it would.

So, yes, Okay, Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

So, yes, Okay, Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

How old is she breathing?

How old is she breathing?

Close?

Close?

She breathing?

She breathing?

No?

No?

Okay?

Okay?

Stunningly, while we have seen the defense waffling, skidding.

Stunningly, while we have seen the defense waffling, skidding.

Back and forth, what will be the defense now?

Back and forth, what will be the defense now?

Believe it or not, the defense has emerged and it is I was framed.

Believe it or not, the defense has emerged and it is I was framed.

Listen well, still fighting to exclude the knife sheath DNA evidence that was identified as Coburger through investigative genetic genielo. It appears the defense will now claim that Coburger was framed the knife sheath left behind by the real killer to distract detectives. The state points out the defense's potential argument in response to a sealed filing Prosecutors right that the defense will try to convince a jury that the sheath does not prove Coburger was ever at the crime scene.

Listen well, still fighting to exclude the knife sheath DNA evidence that was identified as Coburger through investigative genetic genielo. It appears the defense will now claim that Coburger was framed the knife sheath left behind by the real killer to distract detectives. The state points out the defense's potential argument in response to a sealed filing Prosecutors right that the defense will try to convince a jury that the sheath does not prove Coburger was ever at the crime scene.

Oh dear, have they launched onto my knife and gun?

Oh dear, have they launched onto my knife and gun?

Show theory that they would argue that Coburger had touched the knife or the knife sheath and then someone else I guess what was watching him and left it there to frame him, framed by who Let me see that smirky selfie where Coburger goes all Kim Komi. Wait a minute, Sidney Sumner, do I see I'm seeing in this version? Is that a window seal? Is that a window frame to the right, or is that a shower curtain? Or do we even know?

Show theory that they would argue that Coburger had touched the knife or the knife sheath and then someone else I guess what was watching him and left it there to frame him, framed by who Let me see that smirky selfie where Coburger goes all Kim Komi. Wait a minute, Sidney Sumner, do I see I'm seeing in this version? Is that a window seal? Is that a window frame to the right, or is that a shower curtain? Or do we even know?

Nancy? We don't know for certain, but unfortunately, I do personally think that is a shower. It's not a flat edge, it's clearly foft, possibly hanging, and I can possibly barely see a little hair of a shower curtain ring up in that top right corner.

Nancy? We don't know for certain, but unfortunately, I do personally think that is a shower. It's not a flat edge, it's clearly foft, possibly hanging, and I can possibly barely see a little hair of a shower curtain ring up in that top right corner.

Sidney Summer, tell me about the cell phone data that the defense is content. They're contending it right now, and they're bringing on a so called expert to do so.

Sidney Summer, tell me about the cell phone data that the defense is content. They're contending it right now, and they're bringing on a so called expert to do so.

Yeah, Nancy. So what the defense is claiming is that once again the state has cherry picked what data they want to include so that this cell phone data fits their narrative that Coburger was at this house that night. So FBI agent Nicholas Balance did some kind of analysis, and they're claiming that he willfully chose things that helped the state's case and left out exculpatory evidence. But they don't know because he didn't file a complete report. So defence is claiming they only sent over a PowerPoint that they planned to use in court, and it doesn't tell me anything about his methodology. So this testimony needs to be blocked.

Yeah, Nancy. So what the defense is claiming is that once again the state has cherry picked what data they want to include so that this cell phone data fits their narrative that Coburger was at this house that night. So FBI agent Nicholas Balance did some kind of analysis, and they're claiming that he willfully chose things that helped the state's case and left out exculpatory evidence. But they don't know because he didn't file a complete report. So defence is claiming they only sent over a PowerPoint that they planned to use in court, and it doesn't tell me anything about his methodology. So this testimony needs to be blocked.

Todd Shipley joining me, digital cybercrime expert, former detective sergeant, author of a new book, It's Amazing Surviving a cyber Attack, Securing Social Media, Protecting Your Home. Is also author of Investigating Internet Crimes, Solving Crimes in Cyberspace. You can find them at dark Intel dot info. Todd, again, that's albs. Because the defense has access to all of the same data the state has, they can.

Todd Shipley joining me, digital cybercrime expert, former detective sergeant, author of a new book, It's Amazing Surviving a cyber Attack, Securing Social Media, Protecting Your Home. Is also author of Investigating Internet Crimes, Solving Crimes in Cyberspace. You can find them at dark Intel dot info. Todd, again, that's albs. Because the defense has access to all of the same data the state has, they can.

Generate their own report.

Generate their own report.

Instead of saying, exclude all of this because we don't like the state's report.

Instead of saying, exclude all of this because we don't like the state's report.

They can do their own report. What are they going on about.

They can do their own report. What are they going on about.

Well, that's exactly right, Nancy. I mean, they could go over the data. If they've got the cell phone tower data, they've got the data from the cell phones, they could be doing the comparison themselves and making a report that they were just trying to bring somebody into testify to, you know, make it it looked like the prosecution witness was not doing the right job. If they did a declaration, they could lay out exactly what they think the facts are that could be then refuted by the prosecution if it's wrong. But they haven't done that. They're just arguing that they want somebody to testify. So it's kind of silly that they've done this. They could just bring forward the facts and see what's wrong with it, and they haven't done it.

Well, that's exactly right, Nancy. I mean, they could go over the data. If they've got the cell phone tower data, they've got the data from the cell phones, they could be doing the comparison themselves and making a report that they were just trying to bring somebody into testify to, you know, make it it looked like the prosecution witness was not doing the right job. If they did a declaration, they could lay out exactly what they think the facts are that could be then refuted by the prosecution if it's wrong. But they haven't done that. They're just arguing that they want somebody to testify. So it's kind of silly that they've done this. They could just bring forward the facts and see what's wrong with it, and they haven't done it.

Shipley, you have very carefully reviewed the facts in this case. What do you believe the cell phone data calls and isn't it true regarding these texts we were just playing as well as the nine one one call. We're going to be able to tell digitally exactly what time the text went down and the calls.

Shipley, you have very carefully reviewed the facts in this case. What do you believe the cell phone data calls and isn't it true regarding these texts we were just playing as well as the nine one one call. We're going to be able to tell digitally exactly what time the text went down and the calls.

Well exactly, I mean, we're the digital elevenist is going to tell a very compelling story for everybody, For all the people in the house where they were that night before, the events that occurred at the truck, that they had dinner at all those things are going to be telling the story, including the suspect. His cell phone is going to be telling a story. But it's not all evidence yet. They've just released the pings of you know, where the towers were that the suspect was, and that's damning, and that's why the defense doesn't want to bring it in because it's telling a story that they don't like, and it's going to tell more of it because there's more of the story. I mean, even your image is more than the selfie there that's you know you're posting. It's going to tell a story. The digital elevens, the metadata in that image is going to tell a story and all the other things he's done, because I'm sure that he likes so many other you know, suspects have plotted this out and there may be evidence from days or weeks before where he went to that house. I don't know that for a fact, but as they go through the phone, they're going to be able to see the story of his life in addition to what the victims was.

Well exactly, I mean, we're the digital elevenist is going to tell a very compelling story for everybody, For all the people in the house where they were that night before, the events that occurred at the truck, that they had dinner at all those things are going to be telling the story, including the suspect. His cell phone is going to be telling a story. But it's not all evidence yet. They've just released the pings of you know, where the towers were that the suspect was, and that's damning, and that's why the defense doesn't want to bring it in because it's telling a story that they don't like, and it's going to tell more of it because there's more of the story. I mean, even your image is more than the selfie there that's you know you're posting. It's going to tell a story. The digital elevens, the metadata in that image is going to tell a story and all the other things he's done, because I'm sure that he likes so many other you know, suspects have plotted this out and there may be evidence from days or weeks before where he went to that house. I don't know that for a fact, but as they go through the phone, they're going to be able to see the story of his life in addition to what the victims was.

Joining us now Special guest doctor Kendall Crowns. He is the chief medical Examiner Terrant County, that's Fort Worth, Texas and a stained a lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU. Question, why is it that at first the girl's thought that the victims were just passed out.

Joining us now Special guest doctor Kendall Crowns. He is the chief medical Examiner Terrant County, that's Fort Worth, Texas and a stained a lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU. Question, why is it that at first the girl's thought that the victims were just passed out.

How could that be? They were stabbed multiple times, doctor cram.

How could that be? They were stabbed multiple times, doctor cram.

So, depending on where an individual is stabbed, they may not actually bleed outside of their body. They'll bleed internally. Usually like with sucking chest wounds, the blood will bleed into your chest cavity. Blood may bleed into the abdominal cavity. So if their wounds were in certain locations, there may not have been any real blood that was outside of the body, and so it wouldn't be soaking into their clothes and they could look like they were just passed out and laying there. And that would be my best opinion on that.

So, depending on where an individual is stabbed, they may not actually bleed outside of their body. They'll bleed internally. Usually like with sucking chest wounds, the blood will bleed into your chest cavity. Blood may bleed into the abdominal cavity. So if their wounds were in certain locations, there may not have been any real blood that was outside of the body, and so it wouldn't be soaking into their clothes and they could look like they were just passed out and laying there. And that would be my best opinion on that.

You know, another thing, Doctor Kenell Crown's i'mcoming at this from an evidentiary point of view. Have attacked the girls because they say the witnesses the survivors, because they say, what, you didn't hear anything, Well, actually they did hear something, Sidney Sumner, investigative reporter. They heard someone moan or cry out, They heard thumping up and down the stairs.

You know, another thing, Doctor Kenell Crown's i'mcoming at this from an evidentiary point of view. Have attacked the girls because they say the witnesses the survivors, because they say, what, you didn't hear anything, Well, actually they did hear something, Sidney Sumner, investigative reporter. They heard someone moan or cry out, They heard thumping up and down the stairs.

Correct.

Correct.

Yeah, at one point the girls even came out of their room to ask them to be quiet. So at this way they didn't realize anything was a miss. They thought their roommates had come home and we're still being rowdy from their plans earlier that night, and we're asking them to stop and to be quiet. They definitely heard some promotion, you know, doctor Kindle Crowns.

Yeah, at one point the girls even came out of their room to ask them to be quiet. So at this way they didn't realize anything was a miss. They thought their roommates had come home and we're still being rowdy from their plans earlier that night, and we're asking them to stop and to be quiet. They definitely heard some promotion, you know, doctor Kindle Crowns.

Those attacking the two survivors are screaming. Well, why didn't you hear the victims screaming? And why didn't you call Nima one earlier, Doctor Kendall Crowns. In our world, the way we live, for instance, if you hear a gunshot, you may go, oh, who's setting off firecrackers? Because it's not in your realm of understanding. You don't have your arms around the fact somebody could be shot down the street, or you might think it's a car backfiring. I've seen many cases many were witnesses hear something but they don't realize a murder is occurring.

Those attacking the two survivors are screaming. Well, why didn't you hear the victims screaming? And why didn't you call Nima one earlier, Doctor Kendall Crowns. In our world, the way we live, for instance, if you hear a gunshot, you may go, oh, who's setting off firecrackers? Because it's not in your realm of understanding. You don't have your arms around the fact somebody could be shot down the street, or you might think it's a car backfiring. I've seen many cases many were witnesses hear something but they don't realize a murder is occurring.

What could the girls.

What could the girls.

Have heard, So you're right, it's all kind of context. You have to have an idea of what's going on. You may think that something else is occurring when it's actually a murder. What they could have heard is yelling, screaming, things being knocked over, kind of bumping around. But the same thing could be heard in people that are drunk or having you know, a good time, or jumping around or dancing, you could mistaken that.

Have heard, So you're right, it's all kind of context. You have to have an idea of what's going on. You may think that something else is occurring when it's actually a murder. What they could have heard is yelling, screaming, things being knocked over, kind of bumping around. But the same thing could be heard in people that are drunk or having you know, a good time, or jumping around or dancing, you could mistaken that.

Philip d.

Philip d.

Bay All argument between us aside, you're a veteran defense attorney. How will the defense attack Dylan and Bethany for not hearing for murders when they clearly did hear something but they didn't know what they were hearing.

Bay All argument between us aside, you're a veteran defense attorney. How will the defense attack Dylan and Bethany for not hearing for murders when they clearly did hear something but they didn't know what they were hearing.

Yeah, that they were on an all night bender, that they had been drinking, that they were likely hungover, that they're perceptions and their ability to recall were compromised by being impaired from the effects of alcohol, and who knows, maybe if they smoked something. I don't know. But the whole idea of being a reliable witness when you take the oath is that your ability to observe, recall and to perceive is not compromised by outside intoxicans or other types of interference. And I think if you can establish that, maybe at a pre trial hearing, a judge can find that they're incompetent to testify as a witness.

Yeah, that they were on an all night bender, that they had been drinking, that they were likely hungover, that they're perceptions and their ability to recall were compromised by being impaired from the effects of alcohol, and who knows, maybe if they smoked something. I don't know. But the whole idea of being a reliable witness when you take the oath is that your ability to observe, recall and to perceive is not compromised by outside intoxicans or other types of interference. And I think if you can establish that, maybe at a pre trial hearing, a judge can find that they're incompetent to testify as a witness.

Doctor Anthony Marshall, these girls have a tough time ahead on cross exam, and I hate what's going to happen, but they've got to take the.

Doctor Anthony Marshall, these girls have a tough time ahead on cross exam, and I hate what's going to happen, but they've got to take the.

Stand, Nancy.

Stand, Nancy.

They have to take this down. But what I'm concerned about is that they're going to be re traumatized. They have already gone over that night over and over again in their minds, and when we have post traumatic stress disorder, we have something called flashbacks. I hope some psychologists or somebody is there to prepare these young people to be on the stand because they will be cruelly resubjected to the same physiological, arousal, intrusive thoughts and anxiety that they had on the night.

They have to take this down. But what I'm concerned about is that they're going to be re traumatized. They have already gone over that night over and over again in their minds, and when we have post traumatic stress disorder, we have something called flashbacks. I hope some psychologists or somebody is there to prepare these young people to be on the stand because they will be cruelly resubjected to the same physiological, arousal, intrusive thoughts and anxiety that they had on the night.

Of the murders.

Of the murders.

I just wish I could take this away from them, but they're going to have to take the stand. We wait as justice unfolds. And now we remember an American hero, senior police officer, Alexander Yazzi, Navajo Division Public Safety Tribal police shot and killed in a line of duty, a US Marine Corps that served fourteen years with Elie. Survived by wife now widow, Kathleen. American hero senior police officer Alexander Yazzi. Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,

I just wish I could take this away from them, but they're going to have to take the stand. We wait as justice unfolds. And now we remember an American hero, senior police officer, Alexander Yazzi, Navajo Division Public Safety Tribal police shot and killed in a line of duty, a US Marine Corps that served fourteen years with Elie. Survived by wife now widow, Kathleen. American hero senior police officer Alexander Yazzi. Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,