Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Scott Peterson, convicted of murdering his pregnant wife, Lacey and their unborn child, Connor now speaks out from behind bars. What happened to testifying at trial? Oh yeah, you can't get cross examined now. And his big reveal quote, I'm in a hole. That's going to help him get a new trial. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Cop search the home of Scott and Lacy Peterson twice after Lacy's disappearance. The second search left them in shock. The second search leaves him in shot in the last days. A release, A release of Scott Peterson speaking out. I'm sorry, maybe I've got this best actwords, but to you Cheryl McCollum, Director the Cold Case Research Institute, forensic expert, host of a brand new hit series Zone seven podcasts, just now speaking out? Really Shanny have done that when Lacy went missing? Remember all the vigils, Or he wouldn't speak because he didn't want his mistress to see him on TV. Wouldn't that have been a great time to speak out? Or how about when he was at trial, wouldn't that have been a wonderful time to tell what really happened to Lacy.

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Scott Peterson, convicted of murdering his pregnant wife, Lacey and their unborn child, Connor now speaks out from behind bars. What happened to testifying at trial? Oh yeah, you can't get cross examined now. And his big reveal quote, I'm in a hole. That's going to help him get a new trial. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Cop search the home of Scott and Lacy Peterson twice after Lacy's disappearance. The second search left them in shock. The second search leaves him in shot in the last days. A release, A release of Scott Peterson speaking out. I'm sorry, maybe I've got this best actwords, but to you Cheryl McCollum, Director the Cold Case Research Institute, forensic expert, host of a brand new hit series Zone seven podcasts, just now speaking out? Really Shanny have done that when Lacy went missing? Remember all the vigils, Or he wouldn't speak because he didn't want his mistress to see him on TV. Wouldn't that have been a great time to speak out? Or how about when he was at trial, wouldn't that have been a wonderful time to tell what really happened to Lacy.

Nancy while his wife was missing. Would have been a great time to make an outcry during the trial. He had all of that time to come forward. He's had the last twenty years, twenty years to come out and tell us what happened, who he thinks did it, where the police aren't looking. He has failed at every turn to lead law enforcement on the right track.

Nancy while his wife was missing. Would have been a great time to make an outcry during the trial. He had all of that time to come forward. He's had the last twenty years, twenty years to come out and tell us what happened, who he thinks did it, where the police aren't looking. He has failed at every turn to lead law enforcement on the right track.

You know, let me throw a technical legal term at you share the column. There have been a crap ton of theories floated out there by the defense, including Mark Gerrigosligh profile lawyer that represented Peterson at trial, and others including his family. Do you remember there was the Hawaiian gang that they said got Lacey. There was the gang that wanted to get Lacey and cut the baby out of her stomach. There was that one. Now they're really honing in on the burglars across the street, and I'm referring to the burglars that police found behind bars and questioned and polygraphed those burglars. So he's honing in on one specific defense now twenty plus years later, but at the time, all sorts of defenses were floated as a possibility and then retracted. So it's like they're fishing. They're fishing. They're always looking for the BBD, the bigger, better deal.

You know, let me throw a technical legal term at you share the column. There have been a crap ton of theories floated out there by the defense, including Mark Gerrigosligh profile lawyer that represented Peterson at trial, and others including his family. Do you remember there was the Hawaiian gang that they said got Lacey. There was the gang that wanted to get Lacey and cut the baby out of her stomach. There was that one. Now they're really honing in on the burglars across the street, and I'm referring to the burglars that police found behind bars and questioned and polygraphed those burglars. So he's honing in on one specific defense now twenty plus years later, but at the time, all sorts of defenses were floated as a possibility and then retracted. So it's like they're fishing. They're fishing. They're always looking for the BBD, the bigger, better deal.

Well, they were going to let the idea that somebody cut the baby out, they murder her because they wanted the baby until the baby washed up with her. Well, then they had to abandon that. Well, now it's going to be this orange van. And the van was found a mile from her home. But keep in mind that means they would have had to have kidnapped Lacy, driven her to the Bay of San Francisco, dumped her in the baby, then drove back to the scene of the crime. Basically, nobody's going to believe that happened.

Well, they were going to let the idea that somebody cut the baby out, they murder her because they wanted the baby until the baby washed up with her. Well, then they had to abandon that. Well, now it's going to be this orange van. And the van was found a mile from her home. But keep in mind that means they would have had to have kidnapped Lacy, driven her to the Bay of San Francisco, dumped her in the baby, then drove back to the scene of the crime. Basically, nobody's going to believe that happened.

Hold on, you left out something. All that's correct. Cheryl McCollum to Troy Slayton, high profile defense attorney joining us from the California jurisdiction, Troyce Slayton, they would have to the real killer. Ooh, I feel like I'm talking about OJ Simpson again. Ah, Troyce Slayton, the real killer that Schoyel was referring to, would have had to have done all that with Lacey's body at the San Francisco Bay. At the same time, Scott Peterson is there fishing. Wow, what a going.

Hold on, you left out something. All that's correct. Cheryl McCollum to Troy Slayton, high profile defense attorney joining us from the California jurisdiction, Troyce Slayton, they would have to the real killer. Ooh, I feel like I'm talking about OJ Simpson again. Ah, Troyce Slayton, the real killer that Schoyel was referring to, would have had to have done all that with Lacey's body at the San Francisco Bay. At the same time, Scott Peterson is there fishing. Wow, what a going.

You think, Well, wouldn't it be nice, Nancy if the police did a full and complete and accurate investigation in this case and didn't withhold any evidence from the court or the defense team. What we know and you've discussed many times a Brady violation in this case, there was an eyewitness who saw a pregnant woman being put into a van, and that wasn't introduced at trial.

You think, Well, wouldn't it be nice, Nancy if the police did a full and complete and accurate investigation in this case and didn't withhold any evidence from the court or the defense team. What we know and you've discussed many times a Brady violation in this case, there was an eyewitness who saw a pregnant woman being put into a van, and that wasn't introduced at trial.

Don't you think that's.

Don't you think that's.

An important itsy bitsy.

An important itsy bitsy.

Fat a pregnant woman being put into a van.

Fat a pregnant woman being put into a van.

Speaking of let me put you through a lightning round. That's a quick Q and a where you say yes or no. Troy Slayton, isn't it true that the defense under our jurisprudence, has the right to call witnesses, question them, examined the state's witness and more specifically, bring on their own scientific evidence if they've got any. Isn't that true under the sixth Amendment? Yes, nay, that is true.

Speaking of let me put you through a lightning round. That's a quick Q and a where you say yes or no. Troy Slayton, isn't it true that the defense under our jurisprudence, has the right to call witnesses, question them, examined the state's witness and more specifically, bring on their own scientific evidence if they've got any. Isn't that true under the sixth Amendment? Yes, nay, that is true.

But wouldn't it be nice And it's the government's responsibility to test all the evidence?

But wouldn't it be nice And it's the government's responsibility to test all the evidence?

And there's a.

And there's a.

Big issue now, Nancy, as you know that there's some DNA evidence that wasn't even tested in this case.

Big issue now, Nancy, as you know that there's some DNA evidence that wasn't even tested in this case.

Guess what I saw yesterday. I saw a van on the side of I eighty five. It was abandoned. You know what, you can go get that van to test hit too. There's all sorts of vehicles out there that could be connected to Lacy Peterson's death, but they're not. I can't believe you're pinning false hopes on a van that was concocted in the area around the time Lacey went missing. You know what, go ahead, do the DNA testing. I'd be mad if you didn't, because, you know what, it's not going to have Lacy Peterson or Scott Peterson's DNA on it. Why because it's not related Back to the special that is special that has just dropped. Take a listen, guys to our friends at Peacock. Why did you keep talking to Amber Frye after Lacy disappeared. I was searching for my family.

Guess what I saw yesterday. I saw a van on the side of I eighty five. It was abandoned. You know what, you can go get that van to test hit too. There's all sorts of vehicles out there that could be connected to Lacy Peterson's death, but they're not. I can't believe you're pinning false hopes on a van that was concocted in the area around the time Lacey went missing. You know what, go ahead, do the DNA testing. I'd be mad if you didn't, because, you know what, it's not going to have Lacy Peterson or Scott Peterson's DNA on it. Why because it's not related Back to the special that is special that has just dropped. Take a listen, guys to our friends at Peacock. Why did you keep talking to Amber Frye after Lacy disappeared. I was searching for my family.

I wanted to search tea continue stay in contact with Amber fiden and she would get into the picture of complicated really to search.

I wanted to search tea continue stay in contact with Amber fiden and she would get into the picture of complicated really to search.

For Joining me is investigative reporter and journalist Susan Hendrix, who covered Scott Peterson's trial every single day, author of a brand new book, Down the Hill, My descend into the double murder in Delphi regarding the murder of the two little girls, Abby and Libby and Delphi were waiting for that trial to start. Susan, hen, did you hear what Scott Peterson said in the special for those of you that can't see him? Definitely using air quotes on Peacock. He says, question, why did you keep talking to Amber five after Lacey disappeared? Answer? I was searching for my family. No, he wasn't. I don't recall him ever searching, going out on any search for Lacey. Next, I wanted the search to continue, stay in contact with Amber, I thought, and she wouldn't get into the picture, complicate it and ruin the search for Lacy and Connor. So by telling the truth, what did he think that Lacey's family would stop searching for her? This doesn't even make any sense. Even now, under no threat of cross examination, Peterson is still lying. You know what, Just tell the truth. I was having a sex affair. I didn't want anybody to know because then they think I did it. That's the answer.

For Joining me is investigative reporter and journalist Susan Hendrix, who covered Scott Peterson's trial every single day, author of a brand new book, Down the Hill, My descend into the double murder in Delphi regarding the murder of the two little girls, Abby and Libby and Delphi were waiting for that trial to start. Susan, hen, did you hear what Scott Peterson said in the special for those of you that can't see him? Definitely using air quotes on Peacock. He says, question, why did you keep talking to Amber five after Lacey disappeared? Answer? I was searching for my family. No, he wasn't. I don't recall him ever searching, going out on any search for Lacey. Next, I wanted the search to continue, stay in contact with Amber, I thought, and she wouldn't get into the picture, complicate it and ruin the search for Lacy and Connor. So by telling the truth, what did he think that Lacey's family would stop searching for her? This doesn't even make any sense. Even now, under no threat of cross examination, Peterson is still lying. You know what, Just tell the truth. I was having a sex affair. I didn't want anybody to know because then they think I did it. That's the answer.

He doesn't stop lying it would stood out to me because I believe that Amberfry really was the key to this case, and those phone calls that the jurors were able.

He doesn't stop lying it would stood out to me because I believe that Amberfry really was the key to this case, and those phone calls that the jurors were able.

To hear, he's still lying.

To hear, he's still lying.

Throughout the documentary, I found that he had an answer for everything with a smile on his face. By the way, and that first slide that we just showed Nancy with Lacey in the chair with the red outfit on.

Throughout the documentary, I found that he had an answer for everything with a smile on his face. By the way, and that first slide that we just showed Nancy with Lacey in the chair with the red outfit on.

I watched both documentaries.

I watched both documentaries.

There's also another one out that really focuses on Lacey.

There's also another one out that really focuses on Lacey.

This picture here.

This picture here.

What we realize is that she was at a Christmas party with her friends this same night that Scott Peterson took that infamous photo, now with Amber Fry, and a jerk came out and said, look, as soon as I saw Scott, I.

What we realize is that she was at a Christmas party with her friends this same night that Scott Peterson took that infamous photo, now with Amber Fry, and a jerk came out and said, look, as soon as I saw Scott, I.

Thought, there's no way this guy's guilty. There's no way he's capable of this.

Thought, there's no way this guy's guilty. There's no way he's capable of this.

But then he said, a story was built and it was circumstantial, but wow, he said that Amberfry and those phone calls really showed what a liar he was and continues to be.

But then he said, a story was built and it was circumstantial, but wow, he said that Amberfry and those phone calls really showed what a liar he was and continues to be.

What did you observe in the Epeacock special? What did you serve about his demeanor? Susan Hendrix, It.

What did you observe in the Epeacock special? What did you serve about his demeanor? Susan Hendrix, It.

Was the same tone to me. I always remember his voice with Diane Sawyer.

Was the same tone to me. I always remember his voice with Diane Sawyer.

Of oh yeah, just low tone, like he's sad, but he's not really sad.

Of oh yeah, just low tone, like he's sad, but he's not really sad.

There are no tears now.

There are no tears now.

It was like a joker smirk and had an answer for everything and pinning it on the cops as they do. And the investigators seemed formulated to me, just with a joker smile, this time with the backdrop of prison.

It was like a joker smirk and had an answer for everything and pinning it on the cops as they do. And the investigators seemed formulated to me, just with a joker smile, this time with the backdrop of prison.

You know. Cheryl McCollum joining me, and I want Karen starting to jump in on this. Don't worry about Rason. I'm circling back to you, Cheryl. Just yesterday, you and I and others were with the mother of Melissa Wolfenbarker. Melissa Wolfen Barker was murdered many many years ago. It's a cold case, just got cracked. Her mother and I were sitting there and we both broke into tears. I gathered myself because I don't want to cry in front of her, but I was crying because she was crying. I felt so bad for her. And Melissa's sister was there, just stonefaced. I've never seen even a tangential victim of murder joke about it or smirk about it. Now that's anecdotal. In other words, I don't have statistics on this, but I know what I've seen. After prosecuting literally thousands of violent felonies, I've never seen anyone joke or smirk about it. Ever.

You know. Cheryl McCollum joining me, and I want Karen starting to jump in on this. Don't worry about Rason. I'm circling back to you, Cheryl. Just yesterday, you and I and others were with the mother of Melissa Wolfenbarker. Melissa Wolfen Barker was murdered many many years ago. It's a cold case, just got cracked. Her mother and I were sitting there and we both broke into tears. I gathered myself because I don't want to cry in front of her, but I was crying because she was crying. I felt so bad for her. And Melissa's sister was there, just stonefaced. I've never seen even a tangential victim of murder joke about it or smirk about it. Now that's anecdotal. In other words, I don't have statistics on this, but I know what I've seen. After prosecuting literally thousands of violent felonies, I've never seen anyone joke or smirk about it. Ever.

You know, I go back to the first thing that I ever heard him kind of list out for everybody. And that's what he did the day she was missing. He gets home from fishing, or car is there, the dog is out in the yard on the leash. He goes in the house, or purse is there, her phone is there, her car keys are there. And what does he do, Nancy, Does he panic immediately? Does he start calling friends and family? No, He takes a shower, He makes pizza and eats it. He walks around and starts a load of laundry, only his clothes, incidentally, And then he calls her mom and almost casually says Lacey's missing, not is Lacy there?

You know, I go back to the first thing that I ever heard him kind of list out for everybody. And that's what he did the day she was missing. He gets home from fishing, or car is there, the dog is out in the yard on the leash. He goes in the house, or purse is there, her phone is there, her car keys are there. And what does he do, Nancy, Does he panic immediately? Does he start calling friends and family? No, He takes a shower, He makes pizza and eats it. He walks around and starts a load of laundry, only his clothes, incidentally, And then he calls her mom and almost casually says Lacey's missing, not is Lacy there?

But he doesn't call the police. He's not in a panic.

But he doesn't call the police. He's not in a panic.

He's not out in the street calling her name, running up and down the street with neighbors. He's letting other people go look for her. From the minute this happened, he never freaked out, never showed concern.

He's not out in the street calling her name, running up and down the street with neighbors. He's letting other people go look for her. From the minute this happened, he never freaked out, never showed concern.

I mean, you know, here's the thing to you, Troy Slayton. Does he think we're all idiots? Maybe he does, because I've only got so far. I've played what three sentences that he said, and already I can cut him shreds with a butter knife. It's not even hard. You know, in kindergarten they give the children the glue and a pair of those little bitty scissors and they're rounded on the edge. I can shred them to pieces with a set of those already, after three sentences, he's lying. He didn't go search for her. He's lying about why he didn't reveal about amber Fry. He made a big lie about why he stayed in contact with Amberfry after Lacey went missing. He's already told three lies in three sentences.

I mean, you know, here's the thing to you, Troy Slayton. Does he think we're all idiots? Maybe he does, because I've only got so far. I've played what three sentences that he said, and already I can cut him shreds with a butter knife. It's not even hard. You know, in kindergarten they give the children the glue and a pair of those little bitty scissors and they're rounded on the edge. I can shred them to pieces with a set of those already, after three sentences, he's lying. He didn't go search for her. He's lying about why he didn't reveal about amber Fry. He made a big lie about why he stayed in contact with Amberfry after Lacey went missing. He's already told three lies in three sentences.

So he's admittedly an a hole, Nancy, and that's why he wouldn't want a prosecutor with your skills.

So he's admittedly an a hole, Nancy, and that's why he wouldn't want a prosecutor with your skills.

I don't care if he's a red rashy ahle. I care if he's lying, but if if he's lying, he's covering something up.

I don't care if he's a red rashy ahle. I care if he's lying, but if if he's lying, he's covering something up.

If he testifies and you bring these things out, then it's all about what a horrible man he is, because he's an adulterer.

If he testifies and you bring these things out, then it's all about what a horrible man he is, because he's an adulterer.

It ceases to.

It ceases to.

Be about the dead woman and the dead baby. So this is why he didn't use his constitutional right to.

Be about the dead woman and the dead baby. So this is why he didn't use his constitutional right to.

Testify a trial.

Testify a trial.

But he says he regrets it. He gives him his interview. He says he wishes, he wishes that he could, and if he gets a new trial, I bet you will see him testify.

But he says he regrets it. He gives him his interview. He says he wishes, he wishes that he could, and if he gets a new trial, I bet you will see him testify.

Oh I bet he. No, he will never testify because in three sentences, I've got him in three lies. And again you're hiding the truth. Why because you don't want the truth. Truth is, who cares if he is cheating? Nobody cares. Nobody cares. Ahole, I can't name him. Twenty a holes on the top of my head right now.

Oh I bet he. No, he will never testify because in three sentences, I've got him in three lies. And again you're hiding the truth. Why because you don't want the truth. Truth is, who cares if he is cheating? Nobody cares. Nobody cares. Ahole, I can't name him. Twenty a holes on the top of my head right now.

Is that he is person ing.

Is that he is person ing.

Okay, you know what, it's just Karen Stark lying. You can do a poll right now and I would just yes, thirty five forty percent of husbands have cheated. Do I like it?

Okay, you know what, it's just Karen Stark lying. You can do a poll right now and I would just yes, thirty five forty percent of husbands have cheated. Do I like it?

No?

No?

Are they killers?

Are they killers?

No?

No?

But when your wife is missing and now all these years later, you're still lying, why because you're covering something up.

But when your wife is missing and now all these years later, you're still lying, why because you're covering something up.

I don't know what.

I don't know what.

Because he makes that logical liar, Nancy.

Because he makes that logical liar, Nancy.

That's who he is.

That's who he is.

He's a narcissist.

He's a narcissist.

A pathological liar, and do we really want to believe when he keeps talking about his family, my family, I wanted to be with my family.

A pathological liar, and do we really want to believe when he keeps talking about his family, my family, I wanted to be with my family.

What family?

What family?

He was telling am Befry as he kept lying to her that they were going to have a relationship forever. And then in this when we're listening to him, he says, I don't know why she thought we were having a relationship. You know, I was just sleeping with her. He was lying over and over again.

He was telling am Befry as he kept lying to her that they were going to have a relationship forever. And then in this when we're listening to him, he says, I don't know why she thought we were having a relationship. You know, I was just sleeping with her. He was lying over and over again.

That is just who he is.

That is just who he is.

It's his nature. He can't help himself.

It's his nature. He can't help himself.

Investigators were alarmed by the state of the Peterson home. They noted the disorder did not reflect a husband or father who was ready for his family to return home.

Investigators were alarmed by the state of the Peterson home. They noted the disorder did not reflect a husband or father who was ready for his family to return home.

Yes, the home was completely shambolic, and I can tell you I have looked inside the home at the time and it looked like a little dollhouse, not big, but it was perfectly appointed. On the inside. I could tell Lacey had gone to great ooh, great links to make it beautiful, beautifully decorated. Everything was in place. But when cops get their all hills broken loose. Now in the last days, Peacock, in their wisdom, has released a so called special and Scott Peterson speaks out. You know, at first, I was totally irritated by this. Why speak now when you could have spoken at the time she went missing. Didn't didn't want Amber Fry, his mistress and maybe others to see he was married on local TV. But now I'm kind of glad he did, because if there ever is God forbid a new trial, everything he says can be used in evidence. Now we just heard him in three sentences. I got him in three lines, and he was trying to explain on the Peacock Special why he wanted to keep Amber Fry a secret. Well, okay, this is what happened at trial. Sit down, listen.

Yes, the home was completely shambolic, and I can tell you I have looked inside the home at the time and it looked like a little dollhouse, not big, but it was perfectly appointed. On the inside. I could tell Lacey had gone to great ooh, great links to make it beautiful, beautifully decorated. Everything was in place. But when cops get their all hills broken loose. Now in the last days, Peacock, in their wisdom, has released a so called special and Scott Peterson speaks out. You know, at first, I was totally irritated by this. Why speak now when you could have spoken at the time she went missing. Didn't didn't want Amber Fry, his mistress and maybe others to see he was married on local TV. But now I'm kind of glad he did, because if there ever is God forbid a new trial, everything he says can be used in evidence. Now we just heard him in three sentences. I got him in three lines, and he was trying to explain on the Peacock Special why he wanted to keep Amber Fry a secret. Well, okay, this is what happened at trial. Sit down, listen.

Ever ever.

Ever ever.

Ever?

Ever?

Mary here? Ever? Hey, happy here?

Mary here? Ever? Hey, happy here?

I want to call you.

I want to call you.

Thank you?

Thank you?

Ay?

Ay?

Right there? Yeah, I wish you could gain I'm on the eye and that you're there. I'm my year. The book hour new Dolls, unreal, God, it's you, that's Amber.

Right there? Yeah, I wish you could gain I'm on the eye and that you're there. I'm my year. The book hour new Dolls, unreal, God, it's you, that's Amber.

Yeah, I'm here.

Yeah, I'm here.

Ever you're there, I can't hear right now. I'll call you on your knee ever ever?

Ever you're there, I can't hear right now. I'll call you on your knee ever ever?

Okay, I hope.

Okay, I hope.

So let me understand something. Cheryl McCollum constantly calling Amber Fry. But by the way, that phone call was during the vigil for his wife and unborn son. They were holding a candlelight vigil for Lacey, and he's, I guess backstage, and he said her name like fifty times. Why, I don't know. But wait a minute, he's saying here that he is in Paris, the Eiffel Tower, Paris. I thought he was in Brussels, Belgium and Maine. So what was he taking a whirl wind world tour? Is that what he told? Amber Fry?

So let me understand something. Cheryl McCollum constantly calling Amber Fry. But by the way, that phone call was during the vigil for his wife and unborn son. They were holding a candlelight vigil for Lacey, and he's, I guess backstage, and he said her name like fifty times. Why, I don't know. But wait a minute, he's saying here that he is in Paris, the Eiffel Tower, Paris. I thought he was in Brussels, Belgium and Maine. So what was he taking a whirl wind world tour? Is that what he told? Amber Fry?

You know, it sticks out for me, Nancy.

You know, it sticks out for me, Nancy.

Of all the things he could have done, he picked a New Year's celebration that is a celebration of new beginnings. And he didn't mention I'm sad that I'm here by myself. He didn't say I'm missing my family, I'm missing my home country. He says, Amber, I'm missing you. But yet he's celebrating. He's out near the Eiffel Tower, just having a good old time ringing in the new year, and then says, I'll call you when you lost your mind?

Of all the things he could have done, he picked a New Year's celebration that is a celebration of new beginnings. And he didn't mention I'm sad that I'm here by myself. He didn't say I'm missing my family, I'm missing my home country. He says, Amber, I'm missing you. But yet he's celebrating. He's out near the Eiffel Tower, just having a good old time ringing in the new year, and then says, I'll call you when you lost your mind?

Is that a vigil for his wife? Listen to more? For me this elaborate light about her missing and that and that that this will be the first holidays without her.

Is that a vigil for his wife? Listen to more? For me this elaborate light about her missing and that and that that this will be the first holidays without her.

Amber God, I don't want to play with you, but you know that tragedy.

Amber God, I don't want to play with you, but you know that tragedy.

Or oh, yes, you said you've lost your wife.

Or oh, yes, you said you've lost your wife.

Obviously without me staying much, but we.

Obviously without me staying much, but we.

Were yes you did, I did, and that it would be the first Christmas without her, and then suddenly that came true. Who is Amber Fry? I will tell you I've spent time with Amber. She's a perfectly nice person, very nice, who had no idea what she was getting involved with. And remember she recorded these calls she was working with police while Scott Peterson was walking free. Remember he wanted her to meet him at a remote cabin. Why why did he want to get her away from home, away from her child during this time? Did he want to silence her? Also? Listen.

Were yes you did, I did, and that it would be the first Christmas without her, and then suddenly that came true. Who is Amber Fry? I will tell you I've spent time with Amber. She's a perfectly nice person, very nice, who had no idea what she was getting involved with. And remember she recorded these calls she was working with police while Scott Peterson was walking free. Remember he wanted her to meet him at a remote cabin. Why why did he want to get her away from home, away from her child during this time? Did he want to silence her? Also? Listen.

I met Scott Peterson November twentieth, two thousand and two. I was introduced to him. I was told he was unmarried. Scott told me he was not married. We did have a romantic relationship. When I discovered he was involved in the Lacy Peterson disappearance case, I immediately contacted the Modesto Police department. Although I could have sold or sold the photos of Scott and I to tabloids, I knew this was not the right thing to do, for fear of jeopardizing the case or the police investigation. I will not comment further.

I met Scott Peterson November twentieth, two thousand and two. I was introduced to him. I was told he was unmarried. Scott told me he was not married. We did have a romantic relationship. When I discovered he was involved in the Lacy Peterson disappearance case, I immediately contacted the Modesto Police department. Although I could have sold or sold the photos of Scott and I to tabloids, I knew this was not the right thing to do, for fear of jeopardizing the case or the police investigation. I will not comment further.

Set out of three lines, straight out of the chute. He's caught in multiple lies. Actually, am glad Peacock created this special because Scott Peterson now talking, he was afraid to do that at the time of his trial. Wouldn't do it, would not put one toe on the stand. As a matter of fact. Listen to this here my trial, I was dignant.

Set out of three lines, straight out of the chute. He's caught in multiple lies. Actually, am glad Peacock created this special because Scott Peterson now talking, he was afraid to do that at the time of his trial. Wouldn't do it, would not put one toe on the stand. As a matter of fact. Listen to this here my trial, I was dignant.

So I was so angry at the media because.

So I was so angry at the media because.

The reports just weren't factual.

The reports just weren't factual.

I strived not to showed emotion the core because I didn't want to see them break vitia.

I strived not to showed emotion the core because I didn't want to see them break vitia.

Okay, straight out to Susan Hendricks, joining US investigative reporter and author who covered the trial from the beginning, what do you make of him stating that he was angry at the media. I mean, I've never ever heard him say I'm angry at the person that took my wife. I'm angry at the person that killed my wife and son. All I wanted was to hold Connor in my arms and be a family. Never once now he's angry at the media.

Okay, straight out to Susan Hendricks, joining US investigative reporter and author who covered the trial from the beginning, what do you make of him stating that he was angry at the media. I mean, I've never ever heard him say I'm angry at the person that took my wife. I'm angry at the person that killed my wife and son. All I wanted was to hold Connor in my arms and be a family. Never once now he's angry at the media.

Obviously using that as his excuse to not feel any emotion, and what stood out to me and I thought Peacock did a great job of laying out the timeline and talking about what he did after throwing his pregnant wife away, and what was going on inside of that house and how he was able to once he was arrested with.

Obviously using that as his excuse to not feel any emotion, and what stood out to me and I thought Peacock did a great job of laying out the timeline and talking about what he did after throwing his pregnant wife away, and what was going on inside of that house and how he was able to once he was arrested with.

The goatee, the orange coatee and the orange hair.

The goatee, the orange coatee and the orange hair.

They went in and out and he ordered a double hamburger, a vanilla Shaik French fries. It took me back to Jurin Vanderslope with Stephanie Flores and the Danish, and you just spoke about what was he capable of doing?

They went in and out and he ordered a double hamburger, a vanilla Shaik French fries. It took me back to Jurin Vanderslope with Stephanie Flores and the Danish, and you just spoke about what was he capable of doing?

Right?

Right?

Was Amber Fry at risk? I think so when you mentioned that, and also in the.

Was Amber Fry at risk? I think so when you mentioned that, and also in the.

Other documentary I watched what was so shocking Connor's room when they did that second search filled used as storage. He was not waiting for his pregnant wife to come home, his wife and son. Clearly he wanted to erase that part of his life.

Other documentary I watched what was so shocking Connor's room when they did that second search filled used as storage. He was not waiting for his pregnant wife to come home, his wife and son. Clearly he wanted to erase that part of his life.

To doctor Eric Ason, joining us startified forensic pethol just and consultant, doctor Ason, thank you so much for being with us. Many many weeks had passed before Lacey's body washed ashore about twenty four hours between the two bodies, the baby's body, baby Connor washed ashore. Lacey's body was largely decomposed, not so for Connor.

To doctor Eric Ason, joining us startified forensic pethol just and consultant, doctor Ason, thank you so much for being with us. Many many weeks had passed before Lacey's body washed ashore about twenty four hours between the two bodies, the baby's body, baby Connor washed ashore. Lacey's body was largely decomposed, not so for Connor.

Why that's because the body was protected.

Why that's because the body was protected.

The baby was protected within the uterus are in the womb while Lacey was decomposing. And so what happened was, while the body was being protected, Lacey started to decompose, the skin of the abdomen started to disintegrate, and then the baby was then later expelled from her torso into the water.

The baby was protected within the uterus are in the womb while Lacey was decomposing. And so what happened was, while the body was being protected, Lacey started to decompose, the skin of the abdomen started to disintegrate, and then the baby was then later expelled from her torso into the water.

But she had to decompose first for that to happen, you know, Cheryl McCollum.

But she had to decompose first for that to happen, you know, Cheryl McCollum.

Day after day after day, Scott Peterson was traced going and looking out over the San Francisco Bay. Little did he know that at some point Lacey and Carr's bodies respectively, would wash ashore. I guess that's what he was looking for.

Day after day after day, Scott Peterson was traced going and looking out over the San Francisco Bay. Little did he know that at some point Lacey and Carr's bodies respectively, would wash ashore. I guess that's what he was looking for.

I think absolutely he was waiting to see if law enforcement had discovered anything. And it's just crazy to me that, you know, first he tells everybody he's going to go golfing when he's looking for Lacey. That first day, he tells a neighbor he went golfing, but he put himself there. He's the one that gave law enforcement that ticket that showed he put his boat in the water. So the very place where he put himself is where they washed up. And I believe December ninth shows his premeditation. December night is when he bought the boat. December ninth is when he told Amber Fry his wife is missing. That's when he says, you know, by Christmas, wee can maybe be together. Whatever he says to her December ninth, to me, I don't.

I think absolutely he was waiting to see if law enforcement had discovered anything. And it's just crazy to me that, you know, first he tells everybody he's going to go golfing when he's looking for Lacey. That first day, he tells a neighbor he went golfing, but he put himself there. He's the one that gave law enforcement that ticket that showed he put his boat in the water. So the very place where he put himself is where they washed up. And I believe December ninth shows his premeditation. December night is when he bought the boat. December ninth is when he told Amber Fry his wife is missing. That's when he says, you know, by Christmas, wee can maybe be together. Whatever he says to her December ninth, to me, I don't.

Think he told her his wife was missing. At first, he said he lost his wife and this would be her the first Christmas without her. And then it was only after the vigil around New Year's Eve that he actually came clean. Of course, she already knew Lacey was missing. But I've got another question based on what we just heard to not only Cheryl McCollum, but Susan Hendrix, and then I want to go to Karen Stark about his demeanor in the Peacock Special Special. Susan Hendricks recall the hair of Lacey's absolutely Lacey's hair that was proven. It wasn't just a transfer on to those needle nose pliers. The hair wasn't just on the needle nose pliers. It was intertwined, tangled up in the pliers. And then there was the issue of the homemade cement blocks. Do you recall that testimony, Susan.

Think he told her his wife was missing. At first, he said he lost his wife and this would be her the first Christmas without her. And then it was only after the vigil around New Year's Eve that he actually came clean. Of course, she already knew Lacey was missing. But I've got another question based on what we just heard to not only Cheryl McCollum, but Susan Hendrix, and then I want to go to Karen Stark about his demeanor in the Peacock Special Special. Susan Hendricks recall the hair of Lacey's absolutely Lacey's hair that was proven. It wasn't just a transfer on to those needle nose pliers. The hair wasn't just on the needle nose pliers. It was intertwined, tangled up in the pliers. And then there was the issue of the homemade cement blocks. Do you recall that testimony, Susan.

Absolutely, and I remember.

Absolutely, and I remember.

The hair, of course, could be explained away with a defense attorney if it's just sitting in the boat, right, it's intertwined in that plier.

The hair, of course, could be explained away with a defense attorney if it's just sitting in the boat, right, it's intertwined in that plier.

So the theory is.

So the theory is.

From the prosecution that he was adhering those anchors, putting them onto pregnant Lacy eight months pregnant his wife, and throwing her into the San Francisco Bay. And they were able to show based on that storage facility, they believed that there were five anchors that were made. They only found one in the boat, and that boat didn't have a rope.

From the prosecution that he was adhering those anchors, putting them onto pregnant Lacy eight months pregnant his wife, and throwing her into the San Francisco Bay. And they were able to show based on that storage facility, they believed that there were five anchors that were made. They only found one in the boat, and that boat didn't have a rope.

So you have an anchor with no rope.

So you have an anchor with no rope.

Where are the other anchors which he said weren't made, and where's the rope? Nothing made sense, but they couldn't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. But again you said, and that is very important with the hair being intertwined in the pliers, not just on the boat.

Where are the other anchors which he said weren't made, and where's the rope? Nothing made sense, but they couldn't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. But again you said, and that is very important with the hair being intertwined in the pliers, not just on the boat.

Somewhere.

Somewhere.

Chroice Layton, high profile defense attorney joining us out of the Scott Peterson Jurisdics in California. Troy Slayton, what would be your response to a question relating to Lacy's hair? Absolutely, her hair, not just a transfer of her hair onto needlenosed pliers on his boat that she did not know about, but intertwined, tangled up in the pliers. What did he give her a trim?

Chroice Layton, high profile defense attorney joining us out of the Scott Peterson Jurisdics in California. Troy Slayton, what would be your response to a question relating to Lacy's hair? Absolutely, her hair, not just a transfer of her hair onto needlenosed pliers on his boat that she did not know about, but intertwined, tangled up in the pliers. What did he give her a trim?

I would say, Oh, my goodness, a wife's hair is on her husband's tool.

I would say, Oh, my goodness, a wife's hair is on her husband's tool.

I mean, her hair is probably all over his shirt. Her hair is all over him. I mean, isn't that ignoring my question? Isn't that question?

I mean, her hair is probably all over his shirt. Her hair is all over him. I mean, isn't that ignoring my question? Isn't that question?

Was not her hair, the hair on clothing.

Was not her hair, the hair on clothing.

Just cut his might. I'm gonna try again their response. It's a subtle but important distinction, Troy Slayton. Her hair was not on the needle nose pliers. Her hair. It's her hair. This is a nucleus attached. Her hair was tangled up in the needle nose pliers twined into it. It was not a transfer. That is my question. I'm not asking about a transferral of hair.

Just cut his might. I'm gonna try again their response. It's a subtle but important distinction, Troy Slayton. Her hair was not on the needle nose pliers. Her hair. It's her hair. This is a nucleus attached. Her hair was tangled up in the needle nose pliers twined into it. It was not a transfer. That is my question. I'm not asking about a transferral of hair.

I would say that in and of itself doesn't prove anything. Where's the rest of the crime scene, where's her blood? Where's the evidence of a struggle. Were's all the other things that would be necessary for a murder and.

I would say that in and of itself doesn't prove anything. Where's the rest of the crime scene, where's her blood? Where's the evidence of a struggle. Were's all the other things that would be necessary for a murder and.

Disposal of a body to take place. But a single hair caught up in applier's That hair could have gotten there by any number of reasons. There are infinite possibilities.

Disposal of a body to take place. But a single hair caught up in applier's That hair could have gotten there by any number of reasons. There are infinite possibilities.

Nancy, Can I jump in place?

Nancy, Can I jump in place?

Nancy?

Nancy?

Those plowers were also found in the boat. The reason there wasn't other evidence is because those anchors weighed down her all and her legs. That is the reason her arms and legs were no longer attached to the torso. Because she was being held down, there wouldn't be a chance for any other evidence to come about.

Those plowers were also found in the boat. The reason there wasn't other evidence is because those anchors weighed down her all and her legs. That is the reason her arms and legs were no longer attached to the torso. Because she was being held down, there wouldn't be a chance for any other evidence to come about.

Peterson leaves Lacy a gushy voicemail on the day she disappeared, saying he would see her soon on his way home from the marina. Scott insists that was normal for them, but detectives think it was staged to make things seem normal.

Peterson leaves Lacy a gushy voicemail on the day she disappeared, saying he would see her soon on his way home from the marina. Scott insists that was normal for them, but detectives think it was staged to make things seem normal.

Efci, I thought I was playing golf. Okay, let's hear it from the horse's mouth. Take a listen to Scott Peterson quote speaking out as if he didn't have that chance a trial, or that chance when Lacey was missing and all the vigils and all the press requests for him to make a statement to help aid the search for Lacy and Connor. That didn't happen. But now twenty plus years later, he is quote speaking out of course, not subject to cross examination. Take a listen to Peacock's face to face with Scott Peterson.

Efci, I thought I was playing golf. Okay, let's hear it from the horse's mouth. Take a listen to Scott Peterson quote speaking out as if he didn't have that chance a trial, or that chance when Lacey was missing and all the vigils and all the press requests for him to make a statement to help aid the search for Lacy and Connor. That didn't happen. But now twenty plus years later, he is quote speaking out of course, not subject to cross examination. Take a listen to Peacock's face to face with Scott Peterson.

Yeah, there was a virguts people home, a lot of people, and I believe that Lacy whenever there's.

Yeah, there was a virguts people home, a lot of people, and I believe that Lacy whenever there's.

To see what was going on.

To see what was going on.

That's many viewers have been, according to reports, appalled there where it's not mine. Appalled at Scott Peterson's demeanor throughout the state, throughout the Peacock Special, because he was constantly smiling. I guess that's rule number one, Troy Slayton. You tell your client charge with murdering his wife, don't smile and giggle in front of anybody else. Okay, So okay, if you do it with me alone in my office, my luxurious office built on the money of dope dealers, child molesters, killers, okay, that's a whole other can of worms. But don't giggle and smile in front of the jury. I guess because nobody apparently told him that.

That's many viewers have been, according to reports, appalled there where it's not mine. Appalled at Scott Peterson's demeanor throughout the state, throughout the Peacock Special, because he was constantly smiling. I guess that's rule number one, Troy Slayton. You tell your client charge with murdering his wife, don't smile and giggle in front of anybody else. Okay, So okay, if you do it with me alone in my office, my luxurious office built on the money of dope dealers, child molesters, killers, okay, that's a whole other can of worms. But don't giggle and smile in front of the jury. I guess because nobody apparently told him that.

At Peacock, every single thing that you say, every single thing that you do can be used against you. I mean, that's why everyone is given the famous Miranda warning you have the right to remain silent. But oftentimes I've had many clients who get diarrhea of the mouth and suddenly say all sorts of things that might be helpful or might be harmful. But in this case, he's asking for a new trial, and the famed Los Angeles Innocence Project, based in Los Angeles, they do cases nationwide, has taken him as a client and are trying to get him a new trial.

At Peacock, every single thing that you say, every single thing that you do can be used against you. I mean, that's why everyone is given the famous Miranda warning you have the right to remain silent. But oftentimes I've had many clients who get diarrhea of the mouth and suddenly say all sorts of things that might be helpful or might be harmful. But in this case, he's asking for a new trial, and the famed Los Angeles Innocence Project, based in Los Angeles, they do cases nationwide, has taken him as a client and are trying to get him a new trial.

Many viewers also stated that there's no emotion in his face or body language. In fact, one viewer states, I think his brain should be scientifically looked into. He's a strong case of psychopathy. I think he's pretended his whole life like he's a normal human being. And Troy Slayne, I'm glad to hear you tell your clients no smiling or giggling when you're charged with murder. Let's address the heart of what Peterson was saying. He says, well, he's asked if you didn't do it, who did That? Burden is not on a defendant. They don't have to prove who did it? But he goes so far as to say there was a burglary across the street from our house. Okay, Susan Hendrix and Cheryl McCollum, both of you have carefully researched that evidence and how it was brought forward at trial. What can you tell me, Susan Hendrix about the burglary? Is he talking about those three guys that were tracked down behind bars and questioned and polygraphed those guys exactly?

Many viewers also stated that there's no emotion in his face or body language. In fact, one viewer states, I think his brain should be scientifically looked into. He's a strong case of psychopathy. I think he's pretended his whole life like he's a normal human being. And Troy Slayne, I'm glad to hear you tell your clients no smiling or giggling when you're charged with murder. Let's address the heart of what Peterson was saying. He says, well, he's asked if you didn't do it, who did That? Burden is not on a defendant. They don't have to prove who did it? But he goes so far as to say there was a burglary across the street from our house. Okay, Susan Hendrix and Cheryl McCollum, both of you have carefully researched that evidence and how it was brought forward at trial. What can you tell me, Susan Hendrix about the burglary? Is he talking about those three guys that were tracked down behind bars and questioned and polygraphed those guys exactly?

There is some discrepancy in the investigation where I see where the defense would of course pick up on that. But side note, it was never It was not in trial, so Garaghos decided to leave it out for some reason. But the day that this occurred on there was some sort of discrepancy there. And I think what you were just speaking of was Scott Peterson. The reason why he's smiling and acting weird. He doesn't know how to connect the right feelings, I believe, because he has none, but he is able to pull the wool over people's eyes, including his sister in law, who has dedicated her life to setting him free, even got her.

There is some discrepancy in the investigation where I see where the defense would of course pick up on that. But side note, it was never It was not in trial, so Garaghos decided to leave it out for some reason. But the day that this occurred on there was some sort of discrepancy there. And I think what you were just speaking of was Scott Peterson. The reason why he's smiling and acting weird. He doesn't know how to connect the right feelings, I believe, because he has none, but he is able to pull the wool over people's eyes, including his sister in law, who has dedicated her life to setting him free, even got her.

Law degree to Troy's Layton high profile defense attorney in this jurisdiction, Troy, I'm sure that you, like I am familiar with Mark Garghos. Would you state that he's an excellent lawyer?

Law degree to Troy's Layton high profile defense attorney in this jurisdiction, Troy, I'm sure that you, like I am familiar with Mark Garghos. Would you state that he's an excellent lawyer?

Absolutely?

Absolutely?

Yes, what a lot of cases? Right? Absolutely, yes he has And don't you believe, since you believe Mark Garrigos is an excellent trial lawyer, that if he had evidence that Scott Peterson was innocent, he would have put it up in front of the jury. Specifically, he knew about the burglars, he knew their names. We know that, but he Mark Gergos chose not to bring it into evidence.

Yes, what a lot of cases? Right? Absolutely, yes he has And don't you believe, since you believe Mark Garrigos is an excellent trial lawyer, that if he had evidence that Scott Peterson was innocent, he would have put it up in front of the jury. Specifically, he knew about the burglars, he knew their names. We know that, but he Mark Gergos chose not to bring it into evidence.

Why.

Why.

There are many reasons why you wouldn't want a person to testify, or you wouldn't want to bring up something that the jury might think is a distraction. Here, there was an admitted burglary across the street, and it may have appeared to the jury if Mark Gerghos is bringing that in, if the defense team is bringing that in, that it wouldn't seem as credible as if the government brought in that evidence. So there's a lot of reasons.

There are many reasons why you wouldn't want a person to testify, or you wouldn't want to bring up something that the jury might think is a distraction. Here, there was an admitted burglary across the street, and it may have appeared to the jury if Mark Gerghos is bringing that in, if the defense team is bringing that in, that it wouldn't seem as credible as if the government brought in that evidence. So there's a lot of reasons.

Thank you, I think you've got another career. I think you've got a secret career. As a taped answer, because you actually came up with an answer about how if Gargoes had a witness that could show that this burglary was related to Lycey's disappearance. You're saying he would not have put that up because he didn't want to distract the jury. Okay, noted.

Thank you, I think you've got another career. I think you've got a secret career. As a taped answer, because you actually came up with an answer about how if Gargoes had a witness that could show that this burglary was related to Lycey's disappearance. You're saying he would not have put that up because he didn't want to distract the jury. Okay, noted.

I'm saying that he doesn't have enough evidence to know that that was exactly what happened. But it's Scott Peterson's theory that his wife went over there not to interrupt a burglary, but saw a disturbance across the street, checked to see what was going on, and was suddenly kidnapped.

I'm saying that he doesn't have enough evidence to know that that was exactly what happened. But it's Scott Peterson's theory that his wife went over there not to interrupt a burglary, but saw a disturbance across the street, checked to see what was going on, and was suddenly kidnapped.

Peterson claims investigators did not turn over key evidence to his defense that could have cleared him of his pregnant wife's murder during the trial.

Peterson claims investigators did not turn over key evidence to his defense that could have cleared him of his pregnant wife's murder during the trial.

In the last weeks, a judge has allowed more DNA testing for Scott Peterson. In the meantime, our friends at Peacock have released face to face with Scott Peterson. But here's what Scott Peterson said to our friend back at the time when Lacy was missing. This is Gloria Gomez speaking to him kov RCBS thirteen in the morning.

In the last weeks, a judge has allowed more DNA testing for Scott Peterson. In the meantime, our friends at Peacock have released face to face with Scott Peterson. But here's what Scott Peterson said to our friend back at the time when Lacy was missing. This is Gloria Gomez speaking to him kov RCBS thirteen in the morning.

Twin down there alone, I feel closer to her, maybe that's attempt.

Twin down there alone, I feel closer to her, maybe that's attempt.

To communicate or something. You know, it can make you feel really close to your wife, not cheating, that can help, you know. Here's more of Scott Paterson speaking with Gloria Gomez ko v R.

To communicate or something. You know, it can make you feel really close to your wife, not cheating, that can help, you know. Here's more of Scott Paterson speaking with Gloria Gomez ko v R.

To keep the media here, to keep them hungry for you know, an interview with me or a picture, so that they would keep coming.

To keep the media here, to keep them hungry for you know, an interview with me or a picture, so that they would keep coming.

Back, so this story won't fall through the crack.

Back, so this story won't fall through the crack.

And isn't that exactly what he's doing right now, Susan Hendricks right now, keeping his words to keep the media hungry, to keep them coming back.

And isn't that exactly what he's doing right now, Susan Hendricks right now, keeping his words to keep the media hungry, to keep them coming back.

Why his voice is like nails on a chalkboard to me, Nancy, it's hard for me to listen to that sound. You would think after twenty plus years, right, he's trying. He has a new strategy. He even said about the robbery across the street that maybe they should have brought it in.

Why his voice is like nails on a chalkboard to me, Nancy, it's hard for me to listen to that sound. You would think after twenty plus years, right, he's trying. He has a new strategy. He even said about the robbery across the street that maybe they should have brought it in.

He's second guessing certain things. But I will say he seems.

He's second guessing certain things. But I will say he seems.

Almost chip or joking for a moment in the Peacock's special with the journalists like Ooh, I don't want to cry here because you know I'm in prison. I don't know what's going to happen, alluding to the fact that I'm not going to be seen.

Almost chip or joking for a moment in the Peacock's special with the journalists like Ooh, I don't want to cry here because you know I'm in prison. I don't know what's going to happen, alluding to the fact that I'm not going to be seen.

It's tough by crying.

It's tough by crying.

There's an excuse for all of his lack of emotion, but the bottom line, he doesn't have it.

There's an excuse for all of his lack of emotion, but the bottom line, he doesn't have it.

It doesn't exist. He's not sorry.

It doesn't exist. He's not sorry.

Doctor eric Ason is joining me renown forensic pathologist. Doctor Ason, you have performed autopsies on many pregnant women, and when you see a guy is being convicted of the murder of a mom and her baby, does that have any effect on you at all? Or do you just try to put that out of your mind while you perform the autoposy.

Doctor eric Ason is joining me renown forensic pathologist. Doctor Ason, you have performed autopsies on many pregnant women, and when you see a guy is being convicted of the murder of a mom and her baby, does that have any effect on you at all? Or do you just try to put that out of your mind while you perform the autoposy.

Yeah, I got to put it out of my mind. You have to separate the emotion from what you're seeing.

Yeah, I got to put it out of my mind. You have to separate the emotion from what you're seeing.

You know, my job is to determine the cause of death, and I entirely focus on that whenever I handle an autopsy case.

You know, my job is to determine the cause of death, and I entirely focus on that whenever I handle an autopsy case.

I got to keep the emotions out of it. Somebody's got to do it, and it's me. So that's just kind of how I approach it.

I got to keep the emotions out of it. Somebody's got to do it, and it's me. So that's just kind of how I approach it.

Well, I don't have to see on McCallum, and neither do you, not at all.

Well, I don't have to see on McCallum, and neither do you, not at all.

And you know, Nancy, there's been many times we haven't been able to separate, and you know, this is one of those things where when you watch him and you remind yourself that in the last twenty years, all these appeals have failed. No new witnesses come forward, no new substantial evidence has come about. He is sitting there for twenty years and the best he can come up with is my petite, pregnant wife who Caine hardly walked, went across the street to confront three criminals. Asinine, not even close.

And you know, Nancy, there's been many times we haven't been able to separate, and you know, this is one of those things where when you watch him and you remind yourself that in the last twenty years, all these appeals have failed. No new witnesses come forward, no new substantial evidence has come about. He is sitting there for twenty years and the best he can come up with is my petite, pregnant wife who Caine hardly walked, went across the street to confront three criminals. Asinine, not even close.

Well, I mean everybody on the panel, if you know differently, tell me. I've never once heard him say you know what, forget about me. I'll stay right here behind Mars. Just help me find who murdered Lacey? Who did this? Never once, even in this so called special by our friends at Peacock, does he say I want the guy that murdered my wife.

Well, I mean everybody on the panel, if you know differently, tell me. I've never once heard him say you know what, forget about me. I'll stay right here behind Mars. Just help me find who murdered Lacey? Who did this? Never once, even in this so called special by our friends at Peacock, does he say I want the guy that murdered my wife.

Never.

Never.

He's never looking for the quote real killer Susan Hendricks. Has he ever asked about Lacey?

He's never looking for the quote real killer Susan Hendricks. Has he ever asked about Lacey?

Never?

Never?

It's all about me, me, me and me and what stood out to me the second search warrant of the house.

It's all about me, me, me and me and what stood out to me the second search warrant of the house.

They knew what they had.

They knew what they had.

They were looking around to see what was going on in the house, how he was living, Not one indication that he even missed them. He sold her car, he wanted to sell the house right away. He wanted that chunk of his life to go away, and so we killed his pregnant wife through her in the San Francisco Bay and thought that everyone would just move on with their lives, and they didn't. Sociopath and a psychopath, and I feel like he has zero feeling. The reason why he didn't mention them, and the reason why Lacy's family finally decided Okay, they didn't originally think it was him, thought okay, the way he's acting now we know it's him. Devastatingly so they loved him, but he has no emotion because it doesn't exist.

They were looking around to see what was going on in the house, how he was living, Not one indication that he even missed them. He sold her car, he wanted to sell the house right away. He wanted that chunk of his life to go away, and so we killed his pregnant wife through her in the San Francisco Bay and thought that everyone would just move on with their lives, and they didn't. Sociopath and a psychopath, and I feel like he has zero feeling. The reason why he didn't mention them, and the reason why Lacy's family finally decided Okay, they didn't originally think it was him, thought okay, the way he's acting now we know it's him. Devastatingly so they loved him, but he has no emotion because it doesn't exist.

You go on, Peterson, keep giving those interviews, keep showing up on streaming agents like Peacock, because if you ever do get a new trial, which I doubt, everything you say is going to turn into States evidence because you are a liar and you murdered Lacy. Fancy Grace signing off, Goodbye friend,

You go on, Peterson, keep giving those interviews, keep showing up on streaming agents like Peacock, because if you ever do get a new trial, which I doubt, everything you say is going to turn into States evidence because you are a liar and you murdered Lacy. Fancy Grace signing off, Goodbye friend,