Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a reporter stabbed dead, repeat, stabbed dead after a Vegas politician's sex affair exposed. And when I say exposed, I mean exposed. We have video of this politician, you know, I hate politicians getting out of his vehicle, like tucking his shirt in the front and then the woman gets out basically adjusting her pantyhose. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with US.

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a reporter stabbed dead, repeat, stabbed dead after a Vegas politician's sex affair exposed. And when I say exposed, I mean exposed. We have video of this politician, you know, I hate politicians getting out of his vehicle, like tucking his shirt in the front and then the woman gets out basically adjusting her pantyhose. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with US.

Journalist Jeff German walks straight into an ambush attack. He was stabbed four times in the neck and three in the torso.

Journalist Jeff German walks straight into an ambush attack. He was stabbed four times in the neck and three in the torso.

Oh my stars, just whoa whoa? Wait wait, headpounding again. I'm seeing my pulse in my eyeballs. I'm need the medical examiner. But hold on, before I go to Jaywan Jung, Vegas senior reporter KT and V, let me go to my longtime colleague, doctor Michelle dupri forensic pathologist, medical uh oh, I see Troy Slayton already squirming in a seat, high profile defense attorney. I beg you are squirming, doctor Dupree again, forensic pathologist, medical examiner, former detective, author her new book Money Mischief, Murder, The Murdog saga. This is the one that I'm most interested in. Homicide investigation field guide. You can find her at Dmichelle dupremd dot com. Okay, that aside, did you hear that, doctor Dupree?

Oh my stars, just whoa whoa? Wait wait, headpounding again. I'm seeing my pulse in my eyeballs. I'm need the medical examiner. But hold on, before I go to Jaywan Jung, Vegas senior reporter KT and V, let me go to my longtime colleague, doctor Michelle dupri forensic pathologist, medical uh oh, I see Troy Slayton already squirming in a seat, high profile defense attorney. I beg you are squirming, doctor Dupree again, forensic pathologist, medical examiner, former detective, author her new book Money Mischief, Murder, The Murdog saga. This is the one that I'm most interested in. Homicide investigation field guide. You can find her at Dmichelle dupremd dot com. Okay, that aside, did you hear that, doctor Dupree?

Four stabs to the neck?

Four stabs to the neck?

I mean, you and I have been on a lot of crime scenes, but a stab to the jugular blood spurts out like a water sprinkler everywhere.

I mean, you and I have been on a lot of crime scenes, but a stab to the jugular blood spurts out like a water sprinkler everywhere.

Nancy, that's devastating.

Nancy, that's devastating.

I mean I opened this up, doctor Dupree, talking about how you know we've got that video of the politician getting out of his vehicle adjusting his clothes, and then you see the woman I'll never forget at one of my other TV homes, which she'll go unnamed. There was an office affair of a big haun show, I might add, and late at night he spotted walking through the knees room and then followed in like thirty seconds later. That's not obvious by the woman with her skirt still tucked, Dancy Repenny hose. Guess what nobody said anything? She walked through the whole newsroom like that. Okay, that said, Doctor Dupree. Can I not think about her straightening her dress for a moment? Back to the four stab ones to the neck.

I mean I opened this up, doctor Dupree, talking about how you know we've got that video of the politician getting out of his vehicle adjusting his clothes, and then you see the woman I'll never forget at one of my other TV homes, which she'll go unnamed. There was an office affair of a big haun show, I might add, and late at night he spotted walking through the knees room and then followed in like thirty seconds later. That's not obvious by the woman with her skirt still tucked, Dancy Repenny hose. Guess what nobody said anything? She walked through the whole newsroom like that. Okay, that said, Doctor Dupree. Can I not think about her straightening her dress for a moment? Back to the four stab ones to the neck.

Explain well, Nancy, as you've mentioned, that would have been massive blood everywhere. I mean, as you said, it would have spurted out. It would have been a horrible crime scene. And then three to the back of the torso.

Explain well, Nancy, as you've mentioned, that would have been massive blood everywhere. I mean, as you said, it would have spurted out. It would have been a horrible crime scene. And then three to the back of the torso.

Okay, we've got the stabos to the neck and you were saying, doctor dupree, what were the other wounds?

Okay, we've got the stabos to the neck and you were saying, doctor dupree, what were the other wounds?

There were three to the torso as well. That's overkill.

There were three to the torso as well. That's overkill.

I mean, that's a lot. It sounds almost like a frenzy. Okay, what do we know? Take a listen to Captain Dorry Kuran.

I mean, that's a lot. It sounds almost like a frenzy. Okay, what do we know? Take a listen to Captain Dorry Kuran.

We began our homicide investigation about five days ago on Saturday, September third. This was after we received a NAOI one call of an unresponsive mail that was found on the side of his home. Our preliminary investigation revealed that the unresponsive mail was deceased as a result of stabbings. We also determined pretty quickly that the victim was Jeff German. Jeff Garmmon's a well known investigative reporter, and that was taken into account immediately.

We began our homicide investigation about five days ago on Saturday, September third. This was after we received a NAOI one call of an unresponsive mail that was found on the side of his home. Our preliminary investigation revealed that the unresponsive mail was deceased as a result of stabbings. We also determined pretty quickly that the victim was Jeff German. Jeff Garmmon's a well known investigative reporter, and that was taken into account immediately.

Guys.

Guys.

I'm just trying to make sense of what we're learning right now. Preliminary rests stigation reveals unresponsive mail already de ceased with four sad ones to the neck, including the jugular running right here. That goes without saying already de ceased. He didn't make it to the hospital. We determined quickly the victim was Jeff Garman, well known investigative reporter, and that was taken into account immediately. Translation they knew exactly who the victim was. Okay, what do we know about him? Take a listen to our friend Vanessa Murphy klastv.

I'm just trying to make sense of what we're learning right now. Preliminary rests stigation reveals unresponsive mail already de ceased with four sad ones to the neck, including the jugular running right here. That goes without saying already de ceased. He didn't make it to the hospital. We determined quickly the victim was Jeff Garman, well known investigative reporter, and that was taken into account immediately. Translation they knew exactly who the victim was. Okay, what do we know about him? Take a listen to our friend Vanessa Murphy klastv.

Jeff Garman, longtime Las Vegas reporter, was originally at another newspaper here, then went to the Review Journal for at least the past decade. Well respected. I know his colleagues, they had nothing bad to say about him. Just a tenacious reporter. And as an investigative journalist, oftentimes we are uncovering truths that people do not want to be uncovered, and he was doing that on a regular basis.

Jeff Garman, longtime Las Vegas reporter, was originally at another newspaper here, then went to the Review Journal for at least the past decade. Well respected. I know his colleagues, they had nothing bad to say about him. Just a tenacious reporter. And as an investigative journalist, oftentimes we are uncovering truths that people do not want to be uncovered, and he was doing that on a regular basis.

But that's part of the job.

But that's part of the job.

And I think it's interesting that his colleagues say that he never felt like he was in immediate danger at the time.

And I think it's interesting that his colleagues say that he never felt like he was in immediate danger at the time.

Joining me Jaywan June Senior reporter or senior investigative reporter k t In the ABC affiliate Vegas, jay One, thank you for being with us. You know what photo I like the most of our victim, Jeff German, The one of him smiling. It looks like a headshot that he may have had taken because it looks like he's just about to break into laughter, like he's just holding it in long enough for the camera to click. And that's what I have learned about him during this investigation, that all the other reporters loved him, that's who he was, and he had no idea that in his diggie he was going to end up did.

Joining me Jaywan June Senior reporter or senior investigative reporter k t In the ABC affiliate Vegas, jay One, thank you for being with us. You know what photo I like the most of our victim, Jeff German, The one of him smiling. It looks like a headshot that he may have had taken because it looks like he's just about to break into laughter, like he's just holding it in long enough for the camera to click. And that's what I have learned about him during this investigation, that all the other reporters loved him, that's who he was, and he had no idea that in his diggie he was going to end up did.

I think it's really interesting that Las Vegas Review Journal editor in chief Glen Cook even said that when German's murder happened, so many people could have wanted him killed because he did expose corruption in Las Vegas for so long, for pretty much four decades.

I think it's really interesting that Las Vegas Review Journal editor in chief Glen Cook even said that when German's murder happened, so many people could have wanted him killed because he did expose corruption in Las Vegas for so long, for pretty much four decades.

Hold on just a moment, a jay One, you stated uncovering corruption, Now, well, that means in my mind, I've prosecuted a lot of homicide cases. But when you're dealing with players that are powerful, that can pull strings, that will have prestige, money, position lost if their secrets are uncovered, that's deadly. That's like playing with a rattlesteak. What do you mean this guy uncovered corruption?

Hold on just a moment, a jay One, you stated uncovering corruption, Now, well, that means in my mind, I've prosecuted a lot of homicide cases. But when you're dealing with players that are powerful, that can pull strings, that will have prestige, money, position lost if their secrets are uncovered, that's deadly. That's like playing with a rattlesteak. What do you mean this guy uncovered corruption?

Yeah, Jeff Garman was known as the mob reporter in Las veg Vegas, and he wanted to expose corrupt politicians. That was sort of his whole beat while he was at the Las Vegas Review Journal.

Yeah, Jeff Garman was known as the mob reporter in Las veg Vegas, and he wanted to expose corrupt politicians. That was sort of his whole beat while he was at the Las Vegas Review Journal.

Explain, like what he.

Explain, like what he.

Wanted to see if there was any turmoil in workplaces. He wanted to see if politicians were abusing their power, and he wanted to uncover that and expose that to the people of the Las Vegas Valley.

Wanted to see if there was any turmoil in workplaces. He wanted to see if politicians were abusing their power, and he wanted to uncover that and expose that to the people of the Las Vegas Valley.

Guys, what do we know about this reporter fining those in power that he believed were corrupt? And what do we know about his murder?

Guys, what do we know about this reporter fining those in power that he believed were corrupt? And what do we know about his murder?

Listen, the suspect was wearing an orange shirt with reflective.

Listen, the suspect was wearing an orange shirt with reflective.

Stripes, a straw hat, and was.

Stripes, a straw hat, and was.

Carrying a Duffel bag and what was likely an attempt to either disguise his identity or conceal his identity.

Carrying a Duffel bag and what was likely an attempt to either disguise his identity or conceal his identity.

Okay, joining me right now. Troy Slayton, high profile lawyer out of La hold On, Troy, can I see a picture of this? The captain had it right beside him as he was giving the press release. The perp is Oh my goodness, Okay, you might as well take an ad on Third Avenue. Look at me, this is some get up reflective strips. Look look at the video. You think nobody's going to notice that, TROYE.

Okay, joining me right now. Troy Slayton, high profile lawyer out of La hold On, Troy, can I see a picture of this? The captain had it right beside him as he was giving the press release. The perp is Oh my goodness, Okay, you might as well take an ad on Third Avenue. Look at me, this is some get up reflective strips. Look look at the video. You think nobody's going to notice that, TROYE.

Layton. It looks like a worker on the street that you would see in construction sites all over the Las Vegas area.

Layton. It looks like a worker on the street that you would see in construction sites all over the Las Vegas area.

It doesn't to me, wearing a giant straw hat doing what No, what in a huge duffel bag. Why do you say that? Looks like a normal worker on the side of the street.

It doesn't to me, wearing a giant straw hat doing what No, what in a huge duffel bag. Why do you say that? Looks like a normal worker on the side of the street.

Person's wearing gloves. It looks like they have work pants, a hat on, reflective vest. Looks like a construction worker, or a street maintenance worker, or any number of construction workers that you'd see in the Las Vegas area.

Person's wearing gloves. It looks like they have work pants, a hat on, reflective vest. Looks like a construction worker, or a street maintenance worker, or any number of construction workers that you'd see in the Las Vegas area.

Okay, guys, what more do we know about this suspect? In quite the get up.

Okay, guys, what more do we know about this suspect? In quite the get up.

We also know that the suspect was walking westbound approaching Garman's home on Friday, September two, the day prior to us being notified. On that morning, he approached mister Garman's home and went to the side of the house. Shortly after, Garriman came outside of the garage door and then went to the side of the house and ultimately an altercation took place between the suspect and the victim.

We also know that the suspect was walking westbound approaching Garman's home on Friday, September two, the day prior to us being notified. On that morning, he approached mister Garman's home and went to the side of the house. Shortly after, Garriman came outside of the garage door and then went to the side of the house and ultimately an altercation took place between the suspect and the victim.

Our victim was stab multiple times.

Our victim was stab multiple times.

So too you. Erv Brandt joining US former Senior Inspector with the US Marshall Service, the International Investigations Branch Chief Inspector also DOJ Office International Affairs and ATSJA across the world, and he has just released his fifth novel in his Jack solo series. Wow, I want to who that's patterned after Forever Solo Night of the Dragon. Erv, thanks for being with us. Can we look at this guy one more time? He's wearing bright orange. You don't usually see burglars wearing bright orange, a big straw hat, drawing attention to himself himself. So what do you make of this? And we know he was walking westbound approaching German's home on Friday, the day prior to police being notified.

So too you. Erv Brandt joining US former Senior Inspector with the US Marshall Service, the International Investigations Branch Chief Inspector also DOJ Office International Affairs and ATSJA across the world, and he has just released his fifth novel in his Jack solo series. Wow, I want to who that's patterned after Forever Solo Night of the Dragon. Erv, thanks for being with us. Can we look at this guy one more time? He's wearing bright orange. You don't usually see burglars wearing bright orange, a big straw hat, drawing attention to himself himself. So what do you make of this? And we know he was walking westbound approaching German's home on Friday, the day prior to police being notified.

Nancy, I hate to agree with defense counsel, but I live in Las Vegas. This is what you see every day on the streets of Las Vegas. If you want to go unnoticed, the lawn care workers wear bright colors to reflect the heat. If you want to go unnoticed and especially disguise your appearance with that hat.

Nancy, I hate to agree with defense counsel, but I live in Las Vegas. This is what you see every day on the streets of Las Vegas. If you want to go unnoticed, the lawn care workers wear bright colors to reflect the heat. If you want to go unnoticed and especially disguise your appearance with that hat.

That's the way to go.

That's the way to go.

This suspected killer caught on surveillance video dressed as a road worker donning an orange work shirt, a wide straw hat and gloves, approaching German's home and.

This suspected killer caught on surveillance video dressed as a road worker donning an orange work shirt, a wide straw hat and gloves, approaching German's home and.

Stalking the reporter's home the day before. This is what more we've learned.

Stalking the reporter's home the day before. This is what more we've learned.

On day two of our major case protocol, we developed a very critical lead, which was a vehicle that we identified. It was a maroon colored gmc denali that was suspiciously driving around in the neighborhood on the morning of the murder prior to the murder and then certainly was there at the time when the murder happened. That vehicle had stopped multiple times throughout the neighborhood and was behaving suspiciously or was suspicious. So we determined that the suspect wearing the orange shirt had fled in that vehicle, which connected the vehicle to the suspect.

On day two of our major case protocol, we developed a very critical lead, which was a vehicle that we identified. It was a maroon colored gmc denali that was suspiciously driving around in the neighborhood on the morning of the murder prior to the murder and then certainly was there at the time when the murder happened. That vehicle had stopped multiple times throughout the neighborhood and was behaving suspiciously or was suspicious. So we determined that the suspect wearing the orange shirt had fled in that vehicle, which connected the vehicle to the suspect.

To doctor Bethany Marshall joining us, this is reminding me, I'm a fingerprint. The glam yoga instructor, remember her, Titlin Armstrong who stalked her victim, a world class dirt bike rider up and coming, and she stalked her all the way to a friend's home and was caught because of her vehicle. There you see it. There is Kaitlin Armstrong very slowly circling like a vulture around Mariah's, the place that she's staying in town for a competition, and there you go, spot it, bust it. So in this particular case, we see a getaway car. Could I see that the gmc denali maroon in color suspiciously driving through the neighborhood same way as Kaitlin Armstrong the morning of the murder prior to the murder, and at the time the murder happened, the vehicle stopped multiple times, and that is suspicious.

To doctor Bethany Marshall joining us, this is reminding me, I'm a fingerprint. The glam yoga instructor, remember her, Titlin Armstrong who stalked her victim, a world class dirt bike rider up and coming, and she stalked her all the way to a friend's home and was caught because of her vehicle. There you see it. There is Kaitlin Armstrong very slowly circling like a vulture around Mariah's, the place that she's staying in town for a competition, and there you go, spot it, bust it. So in this particular case, we see a getaway car. Could I see that the gmc denali maroon in color suspiciously driving through the neighborhood same way as Kaitlin Armstrong the morning of the murder prior to the murder, and at the time the murder happened, the vehicle stopped multiple times, and that is suspicious.

That's suspicious.

That's suspicious.

Now, Troy Slayton is going to tell us how it's not suspicious at all, but it is. How arrogant is this? Just like Caitlin Armstrong, You think you can pull up to a murder saying and you're big honk and maroon gmc denali and nobody notices.

Now, Troy Slayton is going to tell us how it's not suspicious at all, but it is. How arrogant is this? Just like Caitlin Armstrong, You think you can pull up to a murder saying and you're big honk and maroon gmc denali and nobody notices.

And how about Brian Coberger who just turns his phone on and off and has the white car that he drives around with. It is arrogant, Nancy. This gives us really good insight into the psychological profiles of this perpetrator of Caitlin. They feel that they're above the law. They don't think that anybody can see what they're doing. I doubt that this perpetrator rented this Denali in order to commit the crime. This is probably his own car. This is easily traceable. So when we think about what Garman was reporting on, I think what we're going to discover that whatever crime or whatever story he was in the process of uncovering, it was so blatant, so transparent, that he had multiple people coming forward. And you know, I'm wondering if there was another twist and turned to the plot of what Garriman was reporting on, like what was the next big news that was about to come out? That this perpetrator is so frenzied in his attempt to kill the reporter.

And how about Brian Coberger who just turns his phone on and off and has the white car that he drives around with. It is arrogant, Nancy. This gives us really good insight into the psychological profiles of this perpetrator of Caitlin. They feel that they're above the law. They don't think that anybody can see what they're doing. I doubt that this perpetrator rented this Denali in order to commit the crime. This is probably his own car. This is easily traceable. So when we think about what Garman was reporting on, I think what we're going to discover that whatever crime or whatever story he was in the process of uncovering, it was so blatant, so transparent, that he had multiple people coming forward. And you know, I'm wondering if there was another twist and turned to the plot of what Garriman was reporting on, like what was the next big news that was about to come out? That this perpetrator is so frenzied in his attempt to kill the reporter.

Speaking of the car, let me go to IRV Brant, who has tracked down people all over the globe. Could I see the video in the parking deck where the county official is getting out and adjusting his clothes, and then I believe she's an employee, gets out. They're trundling forward out of the back seat of the Denali. Gee, I wonder what they were doing back there. Okay, wait for it. The point is not him and her adjusting their clothing. But hey, this video for my friends at the Vegas Review Journal IRV Brant. How many perps make it just so easy?

Speaking of the car, let me go to IRV Brant, who has tracked down people all over the globe. Could I see the video in the parking deck where the county official is getting out and adjusting his clothes, and then I believe she's an employee, gets out. They're trundling forward out of the back seat of the Denali. Gee, I wonder what they were doing back there. Okay, wait for it. The point is not him and her adjusting their clothing. But hey, this video for my friends at the Vegas Review Journal IRV Brant. How many perps make it just so easy?

You're exactly right, Nancy. They're very few evil geniuses. Criminals don't tend to be smart. That's why they're criminals. And driving a vehicle associated with you, something that you've been seeing driving all the time, driving it to a crime scene or a potential crime scene something you intend to do is just a massive mistake and police work we call this a clue.

You're exactly right, Nancy. They're very few evil geniuses. Criminals don't tend to be smart. That's why they're criminals. And driving a vehicle associated with you, something that you've been seeing driving all the time, driving it to a crime scene or a potential crime scene something you intend to do is just a massive mistake and police work we call this a clue.

So I guess Troy Slayton, criminal defense Atorney joining Us out of LA will say that it's not suspicious for you to drive round and around the neighborhood, stopping in front of the victim's home.

So I guess Troy Slayton, criminal defense Atorney joining Us out of LA will say that it's not suspicious for you to drive round and around the neighborhood, stopping in front of the victim's home.

Well, that certainly could be suspicious, but there's a lot of strange things involved in this case, including the allegation of police possibly even planting evidence. Somebody driving around in a neighborhood is not suspicious, And so I think that you're allowed to drive your vehicle anywhere. And this person was writing a story. This is an investigative reporter writing a story about this person, so maybe he does want to get some information about the reporter.

Well, that certainly could be suspicious, but there's a lot of strange things involved in this case, including the allegation of police possibly even planting evidence. Somebody driving around in a neighborhood is not suspicious, And so I think that you're allowed to drive your vehicle anywhere. And this person was writing a story. This is an investigative reporter writing a story about this person, so maybe he does want to get some information about the reporter.

Okay, I'll just say that we've got Caitlin Armstrong's vehicle caught on surveillance video going around and around and around her victims home. We also have let's think Rex Huerman, is he ringing a bell? The alleged Long Island serial killer who always drives his Chevy Avalanche, his green Chevy Avalanche to various locations connected to a series of brutal murders of escorts, and what he thought nobody would notice? And even when the bodies were being found along Gilgo Beach, what was parked in the front of his house Chevy Avalanche. See that's too. And another just recently, a young wife gunned down abound six point fifty a m setting up a yard sell outside her home and with her ring doorbell camera working, you see the perp going back and forth in front of the house. I mean, you know, bottom line, it's age old, tried and true investigative work. But let's talk about motive for one moment. Let me get off the car, the vehicle spotted outside the murder scene, and talk about motive. Listen.

Okay, I'll just say that we've got Caitlin Armstrong's vehicle caught on surveillance video going around and around and around her victims home. We also have let's think Rex Huerman, is he ringing a bell? The alleged Long Island serial killer who always drives his Chevy Avalanche, his green Chevy Avalanche to various locations connected to a series of brutal murders of escorts, and what he thought nobody would notice? And even when the bodies were being found along Gilgo Beach, what was parked in the front of his house Chevy Avalanche. See that's too. And another just recently, a young wife gunned down abound six point fifty a m setting up a yard sell outside her home and with her ring doorbell camera working, you see the perp going back and forth in front of the house. I mean, you know, bottom line, it's age old, tried and true investigative work. But let's talk about motive for one moment. Let me get off the car, the vehicle spotted outside the murder scene, and talk about motive. Listen.

In this video, we see a car parked in I believe a mall parking.

In this video, we see a car parked in I believe a mall parking.

Garage, and it appears that.

Garage, and it appears that.

A Clark County Public Administrator, Robert Tellis, is in the back seat with one of his employees. They are back there. We see some movement. He gets out of the right side, she gets out of the left, sort of poultry skirt.

A Clark County Public Administrator, Robert Tellis, is in the back seat with one of his employees. They are back there. We see some movement. He gets out of the right side, she gets out of the left, sort of poultry skirt.

Down to Jaiwan John joining us investigatory report kt n V. They're in Vegas. It's not just an alleged office affair, although I do believe the so claimed mistress is listed as a witness on an indictment, which tells me there may be fire where we're claiming we see smoke. It's not that German was totally interested in some office romance or some illicit sex affair. It was much deeper than that what German was investigating.

Down to Jaiwan John joining us investigatory report kt n V. They're in Vegas. It's not just an alleged office affair, although I do believe the so claimed mistress is listed as a witness on an indictment, which tells me there may be fire where we're claiming we see smoke. It's not that German was totally interested in some office romance or some illicit sex affair. It was much deeper than that what German was investigating.

Yeah, exactly. There were several workers.

Yeah, exactly. There were several workers.

At the Clark County Public Administrator's office who claimed that because of Tellus, the office was in turmoil. They claimed that Tellis was power tripping and that he creating a hostile work environment, and they actually brought it up to Clark County to try and get these problems addressed. But because they weren't listening to their issues, the public Administrator's office workers decided to take their concerns to Jeff Gearman, and they said that Jeff Gearman was the one person who listened to them.

At the Clark County Public Administrator's office who claimed that because of Tellus, the office was in turmoil. They claimed that Tellis was power tripping and that he creating a hostile work environment, and they actually brought it up to Clark County to try and get these problems addressed. But because they weren't listening to their issues, the public Administrator's office workers decided to take their concerns to Jeff Gearman, and they said that Jeff Gearman was the one person who listened to them.

Wait a minute, are you telling me, Jaywan that the employees and the staff that worked there.

Wait a minute, are you telling me, Jaywan that the employees and the staff that worked there.

Had tried to bring.

Had tried to bring.

It up, had tried to get it fixed, that worked under.

It up, had tried to get it fixed, that worked under.

Robert Tellis, Yeah, that's right.

Robert Tellis, Yeah, that's right.

They did try to take their concerns to Clark County, but they said that the county didn't listen to them, so they decided to take their concerns to a reporter.

They did try to take their concerns to Clark County, but they said that the county didn't listen to them, so they decided to take their concerns to a reporter.

The suspected killer caught on surveillance video dressed as a road worker donning an orange work shirt, a wide straw hat, and gloves approaching German's home.

The suspected killer caught on surveillance video dressed as a road worker donning an orange work shirt, a wide straw hat, and gloves approaching German's home.

Okay, what do we know. We know that this Vegas official is accused. I'm not just a sex affair with an employee, that's bad enough, but an a so called toxic workplace where employees were mistreated and bullied. When employees asked for a change, asked for improvement, no one would listen. Can you imagine that one politician not calling the other one on foul play.

Okay, what do we know. We know that this Vegas official is accused. I'm not just a sex affair with an employee, that's bad enough, but an a so called toxic workplace where employees were mistreated and bullied. When employees asked for a change, asked for improvement, no one would listen. Can you imagine that one politician not calling the other one on foul play.

Nothing was done.

Nothing was done.

There was no change at all. So whether they do they call an investigative reporter, they call Jeff German, well known in the area for busting corruption in the government. There he is, He's dead. It's not just about out. A toxic affair is so much deeper than that. Listen.

There was no change at all. So whether they do they call an investigative reporter, they call Jeff German, well known in the area for busting corruption in the government. There he is, He's dead. It's not just about out. A toxic affair is so much deeper than that. Listen.

Robert Tellis sort of started on this is an office with a history of problems, and he would come in and help clean it up. And what employees told the Review Journal is that did not happen. And it seems that issues continued and he was he's their boss, and sort of bullied employees and made things even worse.

Robert Tellis sort of started on this is an office with a history of problems, and he would come in and help clean it up. And what employees told the Review Journal is that did not happen. And it seems that issues continued and he was he's their boss, and sort of bullied employees and made things even worse.

Straight back out to Jaywan Juhn joining us KT in the explain to me what exactly was alleged about the office and what did this mean to Robert tell Us?

Straight back out to Jaywan Juhn joining us KT in the explain to me what exactly was alleged about the office and what did this mean to Robert tell Us?

What was his position?

What was his position?

Robert Tellis was the county public administrator, which a lot of.

Robert Tellis was the county public administrator, which a lot of.

People will be like, well, what is a county public administrator?

People will be like, well, what is a county public administrator?

It is a low level elected official basically the person who oversees the estates of a person who passes away and determines the next of kin. And yeah, people in his office said because of this alleged affair that was happening in his office. He was asserting favoritism towards one certain employee. Rita Reid, who's the current county public administrator, actually said that she was one of the supervisors in the office, but as soon as Robert Tellis came in as the Clark County Public Administrator, he allegedly told her that no one would be reporting to her anymore and that everyone would be just reporting to him.

It is a low level elected official basically the person who oversees the estates of a person who passes away and determines the next of kin. And yeah, people in his office said because of this alleged affair that was happening in his office. He was asserting favoritism towards one certain employee. Rita Reid, who's the current county public administrator, actually said that she was one of the supervisors in the office, but as soon as Robert Tellis came in as the Clark County Public Administrator, he allegedly told her that no one would be reporting to her anymore and that everyone would be just reporting to him.

Jaiwan Juhn.

Jaiwan Juhn.

We have a photo of him standing posed with a woman and three children.

We have a photo of him standing posed with a woman and three children.

I'm guessing that's his wife.

I'm guessing that's his wife.

Yes, that's correct, So.

Yes, that's correct, So.

He had a lot to lose.

He had a lot to lose.

Now you referred to him as a low level county official. What exactly did his office do?

Now you referred to him as a low level county official. What exactly did his office do?

So his office oversees the estates of people when they pass away, and they determine who the next of kin is so.

So his office oversees the estates of people when they pass away, and they determine who the next of kin is so.

That they could safeguard the deceiven's property.

That they could safeguard the deceiven's property.

Okay, that's worth killing over.

Okay, that's worth killing over.

Tell me about this, Jaywan, I understand that, Hey, the low level county official. Tell Us had been railing against Jeff German for months, really attacking him in an angry series of messages on social media.

Tell me about this, Jaywan, I understand that, Hey, the low level county official. Tell Us had been railing against Jeff German for months, really attacking him in an angry series of messages on social media.

Why so, Jeff Gearman's first article that came out about tell Us' work environment was I believe in May of twenty twenty two, and I think the headline is something like tell US's office is mired in turmoil. Then soon after that a coroner came in to basically supervise the office and determine if there is corruption going on in the office.

Why so, Jeff Gearman's first article that came out about tell Us' work environment was I believe in May of twenty twenty two, and I think the headline is something like tell US's office is mired in turmoil. Then soon after that a coroner came in to basically supervise the office and determine if there is corruption going on in the office.

And then just a few weeks after after that, Tellus lost.

And then just a few weeks after after that, Tellus lost.

His reelection bid in the primary row, so he was not going to be Clark County Public administrator anymore.

His reelection bid in the primary row, so he was not going to be Clark County Public administrator anymore.

So He's got a wife with three children. He has a series of stories written by German exposing turmoil within his office and claims he was having an affair with an employee. He also has about one hundred and twenty thousand dollar salary that's going right down the crapper. So he starts retaliation online, attacking German with a series of angry and explosive postings. What would the postings say, Jay?

So He's got a wife with three children. He has a series of stories written by German exposing turmoil within his office and claims he was having an affair with an employee. He also has about one hundred and twenty thousand dollar salary that's going right down the crapper. So he starts retaliation online, attacking German with a series of angry and explosive postings. What would the postings say, Jay?

One the postings with saying something like German is a liar, that he's not telling the truth. Yeah, you could see it in those pictures right there, saying that he's looking forward to lying. Smear piece Number four clearly tell Us seemed pretty disgruntled by the articles that Jeff German wrote about him.

One the postings with saying something like German is a liar, that he's not telling the truth. Yeah, you could see it in those pictures right there, saying that he's looking forward to lying. Smear piece Number four clearly tell Us seemed pretty disgruntled by the articles that Jeff German wrote about him.

Now he gets thrown out of office and all this comes out about his affair, his alleged affair.

Now he gets thrown out of office and all this comes out about his affair, his alleged affair.

But isn't it true?

But isn't it true?

A woman named Roberta Lee Kinnett where the husband and children, is listed on the indictment as a witness.

A woman named Roberta Lee Kinnett where the husband and children, is listed on the indictment as a witness.

Sitting in on the jury selection for the last few days. I can tell you she is listed as a witness who is expected to testify and trial to Troy.

Sitting in on the jury selection for the last few days. I can tell you she is listed as a witness who is expected to testify and trial to Troy.

Slaton joining us high profile lawyer out of La Troy. Typically a witness list is typed on the back of an indictment. Why so the defendant when the indictment is read out loud in court at what we call an arrayment, and a copy of that indictment is physically handed to either the defendant or hiss or defense attorney, they can see pursue it to the sixth Amendment, So far that juncture who the witnesses will be against them that the state is intending to call. Now that witness list can be added. You don't have to state doesn't have to call all of those witnesses, but you've got to give those witnesses and a way to reach them to the defendant and or his lawyer.

Slaton joining us high profile lawyer out of La Troy. Typically a witness list is typed on the back of an indictment. Why so the defendant when the indictment is read out loud in court at what we call an arrayment, and a copy of that indictment is physically handed to either the defendant or hiss or defense attorney, they can see pursue it to the sixth Amendment, So far that juncture who the witnesses will be against them that the state is intending to call. Now that witness list can be added. You don't have to state doesn't have to call all of those witnesses, but you've got to give those witnesses and a way to reach them to the defendant and or his lawyer.

Correct, that's correct, Nancy. Or sometimes if it's not attached to the indictment, it's attached to the police report, which is given to the defendant at the time of the arrayment. The arrangment is the fancy legal word for hearing what the charges are against you and having the opportunity to enter a plea. In this case, he's entered a plea of not guilty. He's maintained his innocence, and he's been held without bail since the time of his arrest. And he's claiming here that at the time he was arrested that the police were engaged in some shenanigans. Specific they magically lost the video, the bodycam video the defense attorneys rely on, that courts rely on it magically disappeared and it is not available to the defense to be used in this case.

Correct, that's correct, Nancy. Or sometimes if it's not attached to the indictment, it's attached to the police report, which is given to the defendant at the time of the arrayment. The arrangment is the fancy legal word for hearing what the charges are against you and having the opportunity to enter a plea. In this case, he's entered a plea of not guilty. He's maintained his innocence, and he's been held without bail since the time of his arrest. And he's claiming here that at the time he was arrested that the police were engaged in some shenanigans. Specific they magically lost the video, the bodycam video the defense attorneys rely on, that courts rely on it magically disappeared and it is not available to the defense to be used in this case.

Okay, great, did I ask you about the bodycam video because I'm going to give you a great opportunity to scream about what the police have done wrong. But I don't think they've got anything to do with those four stabs to the jugular vein. But what I'm asking you about. Let me redirect your attention to the question I asked you, Troy, which I know you're trying to avoid. What do you think he thinks when he looks down at that indictment list and he sees the namer BERTI Lee Kinnett, a woman alleged to have had an inappropriate relationship with him. Tell us out that must have.

Okay, great, did I ask you about the bodycam video because I'm going to give you a great opportunity to scream about what the police have done wrong. But I don't think they've got anything to do with those four stabs to the jugular vein. But what I'm asking you about. Let me redirect your attention to the question I asked you, Troy, which I know you're trying to avoid. What do you think he thinks when he looks down at that indictment list and he sees the namer BERTI Lee Kinnett, a woman alleged to have had an inappropriate relationship with him. Tell us out that must have.

Hurt or she might be a helpful witness. Who knows. We won't know until his attorney is able to test her right a bill. He's on the state's witness list.

Hurt or she might be a helpful witness. Who knows. We won't know until his attorney is able to test her right a bill. He's on the state's witness list.

I doubt she's going to be helpful to him.

I doubt she's going to be helpful to him.

Well, she might be on cross examination.

Well, she might be on cross examination.

Well, you're right.

Well, you're right.

Things can turn on a dime when a good criminal defense attorney engages in cross examination crime stories.

Things can turn on a dime when a good criminal defense attorney engages in cross examination crime stories.

With Nancy Grace, we were just talking about the alleged other woman, ROBERTA Lee Kennett, the one with the wife and the two children. Not judging, don't care. All I care about is solving this murder. We know that she was transferred to another county office, but I understand that she was an estate coordinator in public administration under Robert Tellus's rule, so she would have been working there now to doctor Bethany Marshall, I don't want to hear any trashing of this woman. You know why, because her boss apparently was instigating an affair with her.

With Nancy Grace, we were just talking about the alleged other woman, ROBERTA Lee Kennett, the one with the wife and the two children. Not judging, don't care. All I care about is solving this murder. We know that she was transferred to another county office, but I understand that she was an estate coordinator in public administration under Robert Tellus's rule, so she would have been working there now to doctor Bethany Marshall, I don't want to hear any trashing of this woman. You know why, because her boss apparently was instigating an affair with her.

Is it wrong?

Is it wrong?

Yes? Yes, that's for her and her husband to work out. But when your boss is making advances on you, not me, but a lot of women would think they had to go along with it to keep their job. And I'm not saying that's what happened here, but I am saying he was her superior Nancy.

Yes? Yes, that's for her and her husband to work out. But when your boss is making advances on you, not me, but a lot of women would think they had to go along with it to keep their job. And I'm not saying that's what happened here, but I am saying he was her superior Nancy.

The responsibility lies squarely with him. He's at the boss and in terms of approaching her for an affair, this is an abuse of power. When there's a power differential between two people and there's an affair, the first thing I always think is that the person with the less power really felt.

The responsibility lies squarely with him. He's at the boss and in terms of approaching her for an affair, this is an abuse of power. When there's a power differential between two people and there's an affair, the first thing I always think is that the person with the less power really felt.

Afraid to say no.

Afraid to say no.

Again, we don't know for sure that that's a fact, but that is a great possibility.

Again, we don't know for sure that that's a fact, but that is a great possibility.

Nancy.

Nancy.

Robert Teller seems to display so many traits that are typical of sociopaths, for instance, lack of cause and affair thinking, driving back and forth with the Denali and walking down the street with that strange get up that he thinks he's not going to be caught manipulativeness. He seemed to be quite manipulative in his office, gravitating towards positions of power. Think about it, he had access to power, sex, and money through his job. And most of all, with sociopaths, what you see is a thin veneer of affability, Like they look sort of friendly on the surface, but it hides a cold, calculated interior. So here he's this public official, he's running for office, but all these vengeful texts that he's putting out there really display who he is as a person, and that's someone who plots and plans and who is quite vengeful.

Robert Teller seems to display so many traits that are typical of sociopaths, for instance, lack of cause and affair thinking, driving back and forth with the Denali and walking down the street with that strange get up that he thinks he's not going to be caught manipulativeness. He seemed to be quite manipulative in his office, gravitating towards positions of power. Think about it, he had access to power, sex, and money through his job. And most of all, with sociopaths, what you see is a thin veneer of affability, Like they look sort of friendly on the surface, but it hides a cold, calculated interior. So here he's this public official, he's running for office, but all these vengeful texts that he's putting out there really display who he is as a person, and that's someone who plots and plans and who is quite vengeful.

Let's talk about the hard evidence.

Let's talk about the hard evidence.

Listen, there was a vehicle that matches suspects the vehicle description in that maroon gmc Denali that was parked in front of Tellus's home. It was registered to his wife, and then we ultimately developed video evidence to show that that vehicle, the gmc de Dolli park in front of tell US's home, had departed around nine am in the morning on the day of the murder and returned around twelve pm just after the murder, which matched our timeline.

Listen, there was a vehicle that matches suspects the vehicle description in that maroon gmc Denali that was parked in front of Tellus's home. It was registered to his wife, and then we ultimately developed video evidence to show that that vehicle, the gmc de Dolli park in front of tell US's home, had departed around nine am in the morning on the day of the murder and returned around twelve pm just after the murder, which matched our timeline.

So wow, he tricked me.

So wow, he tricked me.

He used his wife's car. Okay, it's not just.

He used his wife's car. Okay, it's not just.

About the car. There's more.

About the car. There's more.

Listen.

Listen.

We recovered a pair of shoes that match the suspects description. There's a parent blood on the shoes, and the shoes were cut, likely in a manner to try to destroy evidence. We recovered a straw hat that was also cut in a manner that was likely to destroy the evidence. And that straw hat, as you can see, matches the one in the photo. And we received positive DNA results that showed Robert tell us his DNA at the crime scene.

We recovered a pair of shoes that match the suspects description. There's a parent blood on the shoes, and the shoes were cut, likely in a manner to try to destroy evidence. We recovered a straw hat that was also cut in a manner that was likely to destroy the evidence. And that straw hat, as you can see, matches the one in the photo. And we received positive DNA results that showed Robert tell us his DNA at the crime scene.

Troy Slyton, you still want to tell me that straw hat doesn't matter.

Troy Slyton, you still want to tell me that straw hat doesn't matter.

No, it might matter, and it might have been planted by the police. So, and that's not unheard of in this country that the police, when they've got somebody that they want to they believe is their purp as the term you like to use, they may want to make their case stronger by leaving some evidence and by getting rid of other evidence, which we know for a fact in this case, they magically lost all the video of his arrest. So is it really such a stretch to think if they're willing to lose important arrest video in this case, they might be willing to place some other incriminating evidence.

No, it might matter, and it might have been planted by the police. So, and that's not unheard of in this country that the police, when they've got somebody that they want to they believe is their purp as the term you like to use, they may want to make their case stronger by leaving some evidence and by getting rid of other evidence, which we know for a fact in this case, they magically lost all the video of his arrest. So is it really such a stretch to think if they're willing to lose important arrest video in this case, they might be willing to place some other incriminating evidence.

I'm so glad you just said that because Jaywan John joining us KT and V.

I'm so glad you just said that because Jaywan John joining us KT and V.

Isn't it true? When tell Us.

Isn't it true? When tell Us.

Finally gets arrested for the murder of journalist Jeff German, he has to be carried away on a stretcher. Talk about a drama, queen, Are you serious? What hyperventilates and falls onto a stretcher. The guy is dead from four stab wounds to the neck and to the torso, and this one what loses his breath and has to be taken away on a stretcher.

Finally gets arrested for the murder of journalist Jeff German, he has to be carried away on a stretcher. Talk about a drama, queen, Are you serious? What hyperventilates and falls onto a stretcher. The guy is dead from four stab wounds to the neck and to the torso, and this one what loses his breath and has to be taken away on a stretcher.

Yeah, he was taken away on a stretcher and police said they found self inflicted wounds on his body.

Yeah, he was taken away on a stretcher and police said they found self inflicted wounds on his body.

Okay, you know it just never ends with this guy. And to you, doctor Michelle Dupre, renowned pathologist and author. You hear Troy Slayton claiming the police planted it. Hey, doctor Dupree, I.

Okay, you know it just never ends with this guy. And to you, doctor Michelle Dupre, renowned pathologist and author. You hear Troy Slayton claiming the police planted it. Hey, doctor Dupree, I.

Guess, I guess.

Guess, I guess.

I'll say, great minds, think alight, listen, I say that that.

I'll say, great minds, think alight, listen, I say that that.

Evidence, are so called evidence, was planted along with the other items that were allegedly found in my home as well, and we will go ahead and.

Evidence, are so called evidence, was planted along with the other items that were allegedly found in my home as well, and we will go ahead and.

Prove that a trial.

Prove that a trial.

That's tell us blabbing when forty eight hours our friends at CBS. Okay, doctor Dupree, I'm so happy that he was so arrogant. He spoke to the media and he says, I say the evidence are so called evidence was planted along with other items allegedly found in my home as well, and we will go ahead and we will prove that at trial. I was framed. Okay, So how would they do this? Oh, so, doctor Dupray, what would the I guess the medical examiner, you how would you have snuck into tell Us his home, find his shoes all ripped up and put blood on them?

That's tell us blabbing when forty eight hours our friends at CBS. Okay, doctor Dupree, I'm so happy that he was so arrogant. He spoke to the media and he says, I say the evidence are so called evidence was planted along with other items allegedly found in my home as well, and we will go ahead and we will prove that at trial. I was framed. Okay, So how would they do this? Oh, so, doctor Dupray, what would the I guess the medical examiner, you how would you have snuck into tell Us his home, find his shoes all ripped up and put blood on them?

Well, Nancy, I really can't think of another way to do that, and I don't know any medical examiner that would do it. But you know, certainly, because blood was on the shoes, those shoes had to come in contact with the victim. I mean, this is crazy, totally bogus, totally bogus.

Well, Nancy, I really can't think of another way to do that, and I don't know any medical examiner that would do it. But you know, certainly, because blood was on the shoes, those shoes had to come in contact with the victim. I mean, this is crazy, totally bogus, totally bogus.

Because of the relentless follow up of our detectives and with your help, I'm here to announce the rest of forty five year old Robert tell Us.

Because of the relentless follow up of our detectives and with your help, I'm here to announce the rest of forty five year old Robert tell Us.

Okay.

Okay.

He was booked in the Clark County Detention Center last night on the charge of open.

He was booked in the Clark County Detention Center last night on the charge of open.

Murder, tell Us busted, tell Us arrested. But I just want to talk about what we heard earlier about the allented perp ending up on a stretcher at the time of a restless.

Murder, tell Us busted, tell Us arrested. But I just want to talk about what we heard earlier about the allented perp ending up on a stretcher at the time of a restless.

And the foot.

And the foot.

As you saw him coming out on the stretcher, he had self inflicted wounds and we were trying to provide medical attention to help him.

As you saw him coming out on the stretcher, he had self inflicted wounds and we were trying to provide medical attention to help him.

They were non life threatening.

They were non life threatening.

Talk about a drama, Queen, Doctor Bethany Marshall, throwing yourself on a stretcher. What hyperventilating from your self inflated wounds?

Talk about a drama, Queen, Doctor Bethany Marshall, throwing yourself on a stretcher. What hyperventilating from your self inflated wounds?

You know. I think Robert tell Us has what probably is my favorite personality disorder of all time is called historic personality disorder, and that's what a person engages in dramatic, rapidly fluctuating emotions and behaviors that appear deep in nature, but they're.

You know. I think Robert tell Us has what probably is my favorite personality disorder of all time is called historic personality disorder, and that's what a person engages in dramatic, rapidly fluctuating emotions and behaviors that appear deep in nature, but they're.

Not deep at all.

Not deep at all.

They're just designed to get out of some consequence or therefore attention getting purposes.

They're just designed to get out of some consequence or therefore attention getting purposes.

That's all.

That's all.

I didn't you call it judge dishonest or a liar in one of the interviews, and also in terms of the historyonics. His attempts to manipulate everybody are so thin. I mean, there's that jail house call. Obviously he's just thinking about the judge, the public, the jurors, and he thinks people are going to believe him. His capacity to see himself and to reflect it is so low, Nancy. It reminds me of that one story you and I covered years ago about the criminals that was trying to burglarize a house and he got caught in the chimney. Remember that one.

I didn't you call it judge dishonest or a liar in one of the interviews, and also in terms of the historyonics. His attempts to manipulate everybody are so thin. I mean, there's that jail house call. Obviously he's just thinking about the judge, the public, the jurors, and he thinks people are going to believe him. His capacity to see himself and to reflect it is so low, Nancy. It reminds me of that one story you and I covered years ago about the criminals that was trying to burglarize a house and he got caught in the chimney. Remember that one.

This kind of has that quality to it.

This kind of has that quality to it.

You can't really see what's coming at him.

You can't really see what's coming at him.

You know.

You know.

Alexander Pope had a saying, and I'm going to bastardize it. Pope said, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. I say, a little power is a dangerous thing. Here we've got an evil Bonnie Fife who has power over other people that work for him and the county government for Pete's sake on wills and estates administrative work.

Alexander Pope had a saying, and I'm going to bastardize it. Pope said, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. I say, a little power is a dangerous thing. Here we've got an evil Bonnie Fife who has power over other people that work for him and the county government for Pete's sake on wills and estates administrative work.

But this guy is a bully.

But this guy is a bully.

I'll want you to hear on nine on one call that we obtained.

I'll want you to hear on nine on one call that we obtained.

Listen, you're emergency school when seven eighty seventy you need police, fire or medical?

Listen, you're emergency school when seven eighty seventy you need police, fire or medical?

Yes? Right?

Yes? Right?

Can you please send somebody here? My husband is going crazy. He's trying to make him like he hurt him or something. He just won't leave us alone.

Can you please send somebody here? My husband is going crazy. He's trying to make him like he hurt him or something. He just won't leave us alone.

He had too much to drink tonight.

He had too much to drink tonight.

Kind OF's just worth the Me and.

Kind OF's just worth the Me and.

My kids are scared.

My kids are scared.

Okay, has anybody been had a freshman?

Okay, has anybody been had a freshman?

Well, he tried to hurt me, but that it's fun.

Well, he tried to hurt me, but that it's fun.

He hasn't touched me since.

He hasn't touched me since.

Nobody in an ambulance.

Nobody in an ambulance.

No, no ambulance.

No, no ambulance.

Just somebody to.

Just somebody to.

Come, okay, I'm down, or somebody out there, and you have the call that rate.

Come, okay, I'm down, or somebody out there, and you have the call that rate.

What you are hearing is tell Us and his wife who had spent an evening at the Bellagio Upscale Resort hotel in Vegas. He gets drunk and attacks his wife allegedly the car on the way home, and he's screaming, kill me, kill me. Okay, doctor Bethany, I'm just a trial lawyer. I'm dealing with a horrific murder. You heard what doctor Michelle Duprey said about these stab wounds to his neck and his Torso you just heard that nine to one one call a belligerent bully way in well, not.

What you are hearing is tell Us and his wife who had spent an evening at the Bellagio Upscale Resort hotel in Vegas. He gets drunk and attacks his wife allegedly the car on the way home, and he's screaming, kill me, kill me. Okay, doctor Bethany, I'm just a trial lawyer. I'm dealing with a horrific murder. You heard what doctor Michelle Duprey said about these stab wounds to his neck and his Torso you just heard that nine to one one call a belligerent bully way in well, not.

Only belligerent, but sadistic, ragefull homicidal. I think you know these men and women who commit homicide like this have what I call obsessional paranoia, and that is the belief that somebody else's presence on this planet is negatively affecting them, and all they want to do is wipe out that person's presence. And also with the sociopathic side, you often see promiscuity, you see substance abuse. And the final thing, Nancy, you know, any officer who responds to domestic violence disputes, almost always the perpetrator will open the door and say keep hitting me, or she tried to kill me. They always blame the other person, and in some ways it seems like this elaborate projection into the other that the other's going to harm them, whereas in fact Robert is the one who wanted to harm everyone around him.

Only belligerent, but sadistic, ragefull homicidal. I think you know these men and women who commit homicide like this have what I call obsessional paranoia, and that is the belief that somebody else's presence on this planet is negatively affecting them, and all they want to do is wipe out that person's presence. And also with the sociopathic side, you often see promiscuity, you see substance abuse. And the final thing, Nancy, you know, any officer who responds to domestic violence disputes, almost always the perpetrator will open the door and say keep hitting me, or she tried to kill me. They always blame the other person, and in some ways it seems like this elaborate projection into the other that the other's going to harm them, whereas in fact Robert is the one who wanted to harm everyone around him.

He is the killer.

He is the killer.

He is a harmful one, not his wife.

He is a harmful one, not his wife.

Obviously, no one has been proven guilty. This is in the hands of a jury as evidence starts today. Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye friend.

Obviously, no one has been proven guilty. This is in the hands of a jury as evidence starts today. Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye friend.