Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

The remains of a little topboy, three year old Elijah View. A deer hunter stumbled upon this little boy's remains. This after we know for a fact that mommy sends little elies. You just three to basically a torture camp with her convicted fellon lover where he vows to quote make the boy respect me and turn him into a man. Well, now he's dead. Imagine a tap boy three years old? Want to see this tall his little skeletonized remains found by deer hunters. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

The remains of a little topboy, three year old Elijah View. A deer hunter stumbled upon this little boy's remains. This after we know for a fact that mommy sends little elies. You just three to basically a torture camp with her convicted fellon lover where he vows to quote make the boy respect me and turn him into a man. Well, now he's dead. Imagine a tap boy three years old? Want to see this tall his little skeletonized remains found by deer hunters. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

Katrina Bauer drops all for three year old son at boyfriend Jesse Veng's home so the convicted felon can teach the three year old Todd how to be a man. Where is Elijah.

Katrina Bauer drops all for three year old son at boyfriend Jesse Veng's home so the convicted felon can teach the three year old Todd how to be a man. Where is Elijah.

How to be a man?

How to be a man?

Joining me an all star panel to make sense of what we know right now, But first I want you to hear what Two Rivers Police Chief Ben Minor has to say.

Joining me an all star panel to make sense of what we know right now, But first I want you to hear what Two Rivers Police Chief Ben Minor has to say.

Last Saturday, Sheriff Hartwag called me immediately upon learning his deputies were responding to investigate a report of skeletal remains found by someone in the town of Two Rivers with night falling near the entire area was secured well. A variety of resources were gathered to investigate. Ultimately, a forensic anthropologist with the Wisconsin State Crime Laboratories was able to confirm a skull and bones as human remains.

Last Saturday, Sheriff Hartwag called me immediately upon learning his deputies were responding to investigate a report of skeletal remains found by someone in the town of Two Rivers with night falling near the entire area was secured well. A variety of resources were gathered to investigate. Ultimately, a forensic anthropologist with the Wisconsin State Crime Laboratories was able to confirm a skull and bones as human remains.

And joining us now, anthropologist and director of the Florida Institute for a Forensic Anthropology and Applied Science. But before I go to our esteemed guest, doctor Aaron Kimberly straight out to news anchor investigative reporter WBAYTV Brittany Schmidt joining us, tell me about how the deer hunters found this little boy's remains and war Elijah's remains skeletonized.

And joining us now, anthropologist and director of the Florida Institute for a Forensic Anthropology and Applied Science. But before I go to our esteemed guest, doctor Aaron Kimberly straight out to news anchor investigative reporter WBAYTV Brittany Schmidt joining us, tell me about how the deer hunters found this little boy's remains and war Elijah's remains skeletonized.

Yeah, according to the police, he skeletal remains. We are waiting for authorities to give us a little bit more information about that. It does make sense that he was found by a hunter. We do have a hunting season coming up, so the hunter was out looking over its property. This is a very densely covered area. We know that authorities have searched this area plenty of times before as the seasons changed, things come up. They even talk to farmers about tilling their land. So it made sense that it was found by a hunters.

Yeah, according to the police, he skeletal remains. We are waiting for authorities to give us a little bit more information about that. It does make sense that he was found by a hunter. We do have a hunting season coming up, so the hunter was out looking over its property. This is a very densely covered area. We know that authorities have searched this area plenty of times before as the seasons changed, things come up. They even talk to farmers about tilling their land. So it made sense that it was found by a hunters.

Difficult for me to I guess, understand or connect the photos of this beautiful three year old little boy, Elijah Vieu to telling farmers to see what quote comes up when they tilled their land. Now that's the blanket he was last seen with, the red, black and white plaid blanket. Mommy sending Elijah, her little boy to go be with her convicted fellon boyfriend to quote teach him respect. Let me go straight out to doctor Aaron Kimberley, but first listen to this.

Difficult for me to I guess, understand or connect the photos of this beautiful three year old little boy, Elijah Vieu to telling farmers to see what quote comes up when they tilled their land. Now that's the blanket he was last seen with, the red, black and white plaid blanket. Mommy sending Elijah, her little boy to go be with her convicted fellon boyfriend to quote teach him respect. Let me go straight out to doctor Aaron Kimberley, but first listen to this.

The remains were found on private property by a person getting his land ready for the hunting season, a thick wooded area with heavy underbrush just to the north of Manitou. This location is just over three miles northwest of where he originally was reported missing. This area had been searched several times, as had been reported by law enforcement searches, by private searches by the landowner, by air, and with various search and rescue teams.

The remains were found on private property by a person getting his land ready for the hunting season, a thick wooded area with heavy underbrush just to the north of Manitou. This location is just over three miles northwest of where he originally was reported missing. This area had been searched several times, as had been reported by law enforcement searches, by private searches by the landowner, by air, and with various search and rescue teams.

Which raises the specter.

Which raises the specter.

Was Elijah VU's body his remains there the entire time and searchers missed him, or was his body moved after the area had been searched and planted there. We don't know, But one thing I do know is I've got an expert, a renowned forensic anthropologist, director of the Florida Institute for Forensic Anthropology and Applied Science, a University of South Florida, and author of Skeletal Trauma Identification of Skeletal Injuries resulting from Human Rights Abuse and Armed Conflict. You can find her at Aaron generally dot com.

Was Elijah VU's body his remains there the entire time and searchers missed him, or was his body moved after the area had been searched and planted there. We don't know, But one thing I do know is I've got an expert, a renowned forensic anthropologist, director of the Florida Institute for Forensic Anthropology and Applied Science, a University of South Florida, and author of Skeletal Trauma Identification of Skeletal Injuries resulting from Human Rights Abuse and Armed Conflict. You can find her at Aaron generally dot com.

Doctor Kimberly, thank you for being with us.

Doctor Kimberly, thank you for being with us.

Explain to me why at the get go these remains could not be positively identified as being three year old top boy Elijah View.

Explain to me why at the get go these remains could not be positively identified as being three year old top boy Elijah View.

So what did the.

So what did the.

Anthropologists have to go through to make that identification.

Anthropologists have to go through to make that identification.

Well, initially they're going to collect all of the remains. It's really important that the scene is excavated properly, and I was happy to hear in the police chief's report it sounded like they slowed everything down when it was first when he was first found, brought in the right experts because that context is going to give you so much information about the manner of death, and in a difficult case like this, that's going to be really important. So the anthropologist will ultimately excavate even though the remains are on the surface. It's a term we use because you think about the changing seasons, there's leaf litter, there's vegetation growing up through them. I'm not surprised that they were missed initially through some of the early searches. That's very common at the point at which they found him. Basically, to search you have to be down on your hands and kneeds with a trowel going through the underbrush, and so's that's sadly what happens in those cases.

Well, initially they're going to collect all of the remains. It's really important that the scene is excavated properly, and I was happy to hear in the police chief's report it sounded like they slowed everything down when it was first when he was first found, brought in the right experts because that context is going to give you so much information about the manner of death, and in a difficult case like this, that's going to be really important. So the anthropologist will ultimately excavate even though the remains are on the surface. It's a term we use because you think about the changing seasons, there's leaf litter, there's vegetation growing up through them. I'm not surprised that they were missed initially through some of the early searches. That's very common at the point at which they found him. Basically, to search you have to be down on your hands and kneeds with a trowel going through the underbrush, and so's that's sadly what happens in those cases.

Well, now, doctor Aaron Cimberly, several questions.

Well, now, doctor Aaron Cimberly, several questions.

Number one, why are you not surprised that his body his remains were missed during the earlier searches of this very heavily wooded area.

Number one, why are you not surprised that his body his remains were missed during the earlier searches of this very heavily wooded area.

Well, you think about when he first went missing in February. I don't know what the snowfall was for Wisconsin last spring, but it's quite likely that his body was first covered with snow and then one spring, you know, emerges and all of that underbrush blooms. They would likely become pretty hidden in that brush, and so unless you're you know, down on the ground with a trowel, the search is really incomplet You think about when a child or anyone goes missing those early searches, you're looking for the person alive wandering off, You're looking for a whole body, and so by summer you would have had very small skilled remains basically camouflaged, you know now the color of the soil and the brush around it.

Well, you think about when he first went missing in February. I don't know what the snowfall was for Wisconsin last spring, but it's quite likely that his body was first covered with snow and then one spring, you know, emerges and all of that underbrush blooms. They would likely become pretty hidden in that brush, and so unless you're you know, down on the ground with a trowel, the search is really incomplet You think about when a child or anyone goes missing those early searches, you're looking for the person alive wandering off, You're looking for a whole body, and so by summer you would have had very small skilled remains basically camouflaged, you know now the color of the soil and the brush around it.

To Karen Stark, a renowned psychologist, TV radio trauma expert at Karenstark dot com, Karen, thank you for being with us. I'm really, as I said, having a hard time reconciling these photos of three year old top boy Elijah Vie with what Britney Schmidt from w Bay and doctor Aaron Kimerly are saying. Did you hear Kimerly just state that after many weeks that the remains would take on the appearance of the brush, the overgrowth. The little boy just vanished into the leaves and the just it's just hard for me. I mean, Karen, you were with me raising the children, and you remember them at age three.

To Karen Stark, a renowned psychologist, TV radio trauma expert at Karenstark dot com, Karen, thank you for being with us. I'm really, as I said, having a hard time reconciling these photos of three year old top boy Elijah Vie with what Britney Schmidt from w Bay and doctor Aaron Kimerly are saying. Did you hear Kimerly just state that after many weeks that the remains would take on the appearance of the brush, the overgrowth. The little boy just vanished into the leaves and the just it's just hard for me. I mean, Karen, you were with me raising the children, and you remember them at age three.

I mean, they're this big, they are.

I mean, they're this big, they are.

Completely defenseless, and thinking about this child's remains blending in with the foliage, I'm just having a really hard time reconciling that all those words will be in the same sentence.

Completely defenseless, and thinking about this child's remains blending in with the foliage, I'm just having a really hard time reconciling that all those words will be in the same sentence.

Karen's start and think about it, Nancy.

Karen's start and think about it, Nancy.

You're talking about a three year old and they're saying that she sent him to her boyfriend lover, whoever he was, because she wanted him to be a man. A three year old should be a man. And that's the kind of unrealistic expectations you find in parents who are neglectful. We don't know the full story.

You're talking about a three year old and they're saying that she sent him to her boyfriend lover, whoever he was, because she wanted him to be a man. A three year old should be a man. And that's the kind of unrealistic expectations you find in parents who are neglectful. We don't know the full story.

And realistic whoa whoa? Whoa? Unrealistic? What unrealistic to expect a thirty six.

And realistic whoa whoa? Whoa? Unrealistic? What unrealistic to expect a thirty six.

Month old child to be? Quote a man? What kind of man? Can I see the convict lover? Let me see him? So this is the guy that mommy sends her child. Oh, okay him, he's got a wrap sheet as long as I'm seventy five, and she sends her tiny taught to him.

Month old child to be? Quote a man? What kind of man? Can I see the convict lover? Let me see him? So this is the guy that mommy sends her child. Oh, okay him, he's got a wrap sheet as long as I'm seventy five, and she sends her tiny taught to him.

I mean what?

I mean what?

And Nancy, he's blaming I'm actually without words, Karen Stark.

And Nancy, he's blaming I'm actually without words, Karen Stark.

He's blaming her. He's saying that it's her fault because she wanted him to be the one to teach this boy to be a man and respect him and discipline him. And this little boy was essentially tortured.

He's blaming her. He's saying that it's her fault because she wanted him to be the one to teach this boy to be a man and respect him and discipline him. And this little boy was essentially tortured.

And Mommy, in her maternal wisdom, sends her child her little baby boy alone with this guy, who I.

And Mommy, in her maternal wisdom, sends her child her little baby boy alone with this guy, who I.

Might add has not been charged with murder.

Might add has not been charged with murder.

Average snowfall Feb eleven inches in two rivers. Listen to more of what police chief Minor says.

Average snowfall Feb eleven inches in two rivers. Listen to more of what police chief Minor says.

The remains found by the hunter and recovered by law enforcement. We're taking to the Wisconsin Crime Lab for DNA testing to identify the person. It is with a heavy heart that I announced to you today those remains were identified as Elijah Vou With that news and following this briefing, the Amber alert will be canceled.

The remains found by the hunter and recovered by law enforcement. We're taking to the Wisconsin Crime Lab for DNA testing to identify the person. It is with a heavy heart that I announced to you today those remains were identified as Elijah Vou With that news and following this briefing, the Amber alert will be canceled.

To doctor Aaron Kimberley again joining us Frensy anthropologist Doctor Kimberly.

To doctor Aaron Kimberley again joining us Frensy anthropologist Doctor Kimberly.

By this point, let's see there are I believe two.

By this point, let's see there are I believe two.

Hundred and six bones in the human body, and you said the area had to be excavated very carefully.

Hundred and six bones in the human body, and you said the area had to be excavated very carefully.

We also heard from a police chief.

We also heard from a police chief.

Being Minored that the remains by the time law enforcement got there to this remote area, it was nighttime, so the area had to be roped off and protected and a night search ensued.

Being Minored that the remains by the time law enforcement got there to this remote area, it was nighttime, so the area had to be roped off and protected and a night search ensued.

Those are really hard.

Those are really hard.

I remember watching the night search for Kelly Anthony's remains. Kelley almost three in a swampy area about ten houses away from top Mom Casey Anthony's home, and there were tents, there were bright lights like you'd see at maybe a movie premiere, shining everywhere. Because you want to get every one of those two hundred and six bones. Why is that so critical? And what do you mean by quote excavation?

I remember watching the night search for Kelly Anthony's remains. Kelley almost three in a swampy area about ten houses away from top Mom Casey Anthony's home, and there were tents, there were bright lights like you'd see at maybe a movie premiere, shining everywhere. Because you want to get every one of those two hundred and six bones. Why is that so critical? And what do you mean by quote excavation?

Your word so And it's important to remember when we talk about the skeleton, there's two hundred and six bones in the adult body. Children have many more because their bones are growing and fused together. They fuse together throughout childhood. So a little guy who's about three to four years old is going to have over three hundred bones in his body.

Your word so And it's important to remember when we talk about the skeleton, there's two hundred and six bones in the adult body. Children have many more because their bones are growing and fused together. They fuse together throughout childhood. So a little guy who's about three to four years old is going to have over three hundred bones in his body.

But what is wow really critical.

But what is wow really critical.

For what I use the sort of excavation is to basically what they're going to do is remove all of the top soil, the leaf litter, the vegetation, and try to keep all of those little bones, all the remains intact, and any other evidence that might be there, if there's clothing, you know.

For what I use the sort of excavation is to basically what they're going to do is remove all of the top soil, the leaf litter, the vegetation, and try to keep all of those little bones, all the remains intact, and any other evidence that might be there, if there's clothing, you know.

What I'm interpreting what you're saying to me. They move away, the searchers move away the top soil and the leafs and the foliage, but they keep it in case there's.

What I'm interpreting what you're saying to me. They move away, the searchers move away the top soil and the leafs and the foliage, but they keep it in case there's.

A tiny little bone in there of some sort. They do.

A tiny little bone in there of some sort. They do.

They'll sift through it using screens. We use two different sized screens. We sift it twice.

They'll sift through it using screens. We use two different sized screens. We sift it twice.

I mean like a flower sister, Yeah.

I mean like a flower sister, Yeah.

Exactly, only larger and you and you put all of the soil, top soil and debris in there. It's a very effective method. You can find hair, strands of hair, for example. So you think about being an outside wooded area and you're finding things like strands of hair.

Exactly, only larger and you and you put all of the soil, top soil and debris in there. It's a very effective method. You can find hair, strands of hair, for example. So you think about being an outside wooded area and you're finding things like strands of hair.

That's good recovery.

That's good recovery.

But they want they want to preserve that context.

But they want they want to preserve that context.

Doctor Kimberly, You're really amazing. I'm trying to drink in every word you're saying, but you seem a.

Doctor Kimberly, You're really amazing. I'm trying to drink in every word you're saying, but you seem a.

Little too happy for me when you're describing this process, because I know you're looking at it like a forensic anthropologist, right I guess the way I feel when I get that one shred of evidence that makes a case, and like a mass murder.

Little too happy for me when you're describing this process, because I know you're looking at it like a forensic anthropologist, right I guess the way I feel when I get that one shred of evidence that makes a case, and like a mass murder.

I'm happy.

I'm happy.

But right now, as you're talking our New York Control and was showing photos of Elijah View and I'm having a hard time taking in what you're saying. As we're talking about a little talk three years old. I just remember I could pick the twins up like this and carry them both around run around and around and around our apartment when they were three, especially Lucy.

But right now, as you're talking our New York Control and was showing photos of Elijah View and I'm having a hard time taking in what you're saying. As we're talking about a little talk three years old. I just remember I could pick the twins up like this and carry them both around run around and around and around our apartment when they were three, especially Lucy.

He was born at two pounds.

He was born at two pounds.

But he's just a tiny little slip of a boy, and I wonder what he endured before.

But he's just a tiny little slip of a boy, and I wonder what he endured before.

They're searching for his bounds through a flower sifter. What did you call it? It's as we use a sifter.

They're searching for his bounds through a flower sifter. What did you call it? It's as we use a sifter.

It's not a flower sifter, but it's an archaeological sifter. So it has mesh basically and then in different sizes about a quarter of an inch, and that allows all important evidence that's going to ultimately be able to prove, you know, that he was hurt, that he was murdered, and be able to get those charges. That's why right now, I'm sure they're focused on finding that cause of death and being able to interpret the scene in order to get the manner of death so that they can turn it from a death investigation into, you know, a full homicide investigation with charges.

It's not a flower sifter, but it's an archaeological sifter. So it has mesh basically and then in different sizes about a quarter of an inch, and that allows all important evidence that's going to ultimately be able to prove, you know, that he was hurt, that he was murdered, and be able to get those charges. That's why right now, I'm sure they're focused on finding that cause of death and being able to interpret the scene in order to get the manner of death so that they can turn it from a death investigation into, you know, a full homicide investigation with charges.

What started out as a search for missing boy is now a death investigation. Now that we know the location of where Elijah was located off Christy Bob Lane in Manitou Drive, we asked that anybody with any information, if you haven't previously provided it or you think it may be useful in this investigation to please contact law enforcement.

What started out as a search for missing boy is now a death investigation. Now that we know the location of where Elijah was located off Christy Bob Lane in Manitou Drive, we asked that anybody with any information, if you haven't previously provided it or you think it may be useful in this investigation to please contact law enforcement.

Photos of little Elijah taken at mom's boyfriend's house shows him blindfolded and bruised on a bed and standing in a corner for hours in a soiled diaper. Jesse Vang claims this is part of his discipline plan.

Photos of little Elijah taken at mom's boyfriend's house shows him blindfolded and bruised on a bed and standing in a corner for hours in a soiled diaper. Jesse Vang claims this is part of his discipline plan.

A deer hunter stumbles upon human skeletal remains on private property near the Manitoac Scout camp in the Town of Two Rivers and immediately calls law enforcement. The Town of Two Rivers in Manitoac County law enforcement has been searching for now four year old Elijah Vu since he went missing last February well in the care of his mother's boyfriend.

A deer hunter stumbles upon human skeletal remains on private property near the Manitoac Scout camp in the Town of Two Rivers and immediately calls law enforcement. The Town of Two Rivers in Manitoac County law enforcement has been searching for now four year old Elijah Vu since he went missing last February well in the care of his mother's boyfriend.

In the care of his mother's boyfriend, that hardly makes sense. Straight back out to Britney Schmidt, investigative reporter and anchor wb a YTV.

In the care of his mother's boyfriend, that hardly makes sense. Straight back out to Britney Schmidt, investigative reporter and anchor wb a YTV.

Brittany again, thank you for being with us. What can you tell me?

Brittany again, thank you for being with us. What can you tell me?

And I'd like to point out that the convicted felon lover of mommy, neither he or Mommy have been charged with murder. Brittany Schmidt, could you please inform our viewers. Okay, everybody sit down, because this is not easy to hear about the lover's discipline plan for baby Elijah.

And I'd like to point out that the convicted felon lover of mommy, neither he or Mommy have been charged with murder. Brittany Schmidt, could you please inform our viewers. Okay, everybody sit down, because this is not easy to hear about the lover's discipline plan for baby Elijah.

Yeah, according to the chrominal complaint. As you mentioned, these are difficult to hear. He's three years old when he's sent there to be a man that talks about how you can try to change his bad behavior. Some of those tactics used were standing in a corner for one to three hours by himself, either praying or saying the words I'm sorry mommy. The times where he was threatened if he wasn't doing that, where he's cold water, Those things that this little three year old endured when he was being taught to be a man.

Yeah, according to the chrominal complaint. As you mentioned, these are difficult to hear. He's three years old when he's sent there to be a man that talks about how you can try to change his bad behavior. Some of those tactics used were standing in a corner for one to three hours by himself, either praying or saying the words I'm sorry mommy. The times where he was threatened if he wasn't doing that, where he's cold water, Those things that this little three year old endured when he was being taught to be a man.

He was forced to say, I'm sorry, mommy, I'm sorry, mommy, I'm sorry, mommy, I'm sorry mommy.

He was forced to say, I'm sorry, mommy, I'm sorry, mommy, I'm sorry, mommy, I'm sorry mommy.

Over and over and over. And what does it mean?

Over and over and over. And what does it mean?

Karen Stark, renowned psychologists joining us out of Manhattan, that the lover, the convicted fell in lover, would actually take pictures of baby Elijah covered in bruises with a blindfold on, taking pictures of it.

Karen Stark, renowned psychologists joining us out of Manhattan, that the lover, the convicted fell in lover, would actually take pictures of baby Elijah covered in bruises with a blindfold on, taking pictures of it.

He was proud of what he was doing, Nancy. He didn't think that there was anything wrong. He was saying that this little boy needed to respect him, and he felt like he shouldn't just fear him, but he should respect him. Who knows where he got that kind of boot camp mentality. We're talking about a three year old. I have no doubt that this was not a problem child. They just had this idea that there was something that they needed to do to him, and that's not unusual for abuse in with little children that they believed. They had these expectations that have nothing to do with the behavior actual behavior of the little boy.

He was proud of what he was doing, Nancy. He didn't think that there was anything wrong. He was saying that this little boy needed to respect him, and he felt like he shouldn't just fear him, but he should respect him. Who knows where he got that kind of boot camp mentality. We're talking about a three year old. I have no doubt that this was not a problem child. They just had this idea that there was something that they needed to do to him, and that's not unusual for abuse in with little children that they believed. They had these expectations that have nothing to do with the behavior actual behavior of the little boy.

I don't think it had anything to do with parental expectations, because you know, I certainly don't know everything about parenting. Out to Bill Daily, former FBI and expert in forensic photography security expert Bill Daily, I just wanted them to take their bottle and to eat a jar of Gerber's baby.

I don't think it had anything to do with parental expectations, because you know, I certainly don't know everything about parenting. Out to Bill Daily, former FBI and expert in forensic photography security expert Bill Daily, I just wanted them to take their bottle and to eat a jar of Gerber's baby.

Food, and to you know, take their naps and learn to crawl and you know, following.

Food, and to you know, take their naps and learn to crawl and you know, following.

My finger at That's what I wanted them to do when they were little babies. I don't know that this has anything to do with parntal expectations.

My finger at That's what I wanted them to do when they were little babies. I don't know that this has anything to do with parntal expectations.

Bill Daily, You've seen.

Bill Daily, You've seen.

It all, as have I, and I was looking at the original criminal complaint on these two pos's technical legal term. Now this is the complaint Bill as it relates to child negligence. Now, the convicted fellow lover Mommy's lover with the tattoos up to hear not judging, don't care, say said, he took a nap in the middle of the disciplinary regime, and he woke up and Elijah was gone. Okay, he's three, he's covered in bruises, and he's quote gone how many times?

It all, as have I, and I was looking at the original criminal complaint on these two pos's technical legal term. Now this is the complaint Bill as it relates to child negligence. Now, the convicted fellow lover Mommy's lover with the tattoos up to hear not judging, don't care, say said, he took a nap in the middle of the disciplinary regime, and he woke up and Elijah was gone. Okay, he's three, he's covered in bruises, and he's quote gone how many times?

Bill Daily?

Bill Daily?

I mean, can't they even come up with a news story just to surprise us.

I mean, can't they even come up with a news story just to surprise us.

I went to sleep and he was gone.

I went to sleep and he was gone.

That's second verse, same as the first Bill Daily.

That's second verse, same as the first Bill Daily.

Yeah, you know, Nancy, at the heart managing aspect of this is as you just went through this litany of really tortures things this little child went through, and then to have him found in a wooded area in skeletal remains, you know, it's just a little bit further about that.

Yeah, you know, Nancy, at the heart managing aspect of this is as you just went through this litany of really tortures things this little child went through, and then to have him found in a wooded area in skeletal remains, you know, it's just a little bit further about that.

From an investigative.

From an investigative.

Standpoint, there are a couple of things that kind of jump out at May. One is that assuming that his remains were there to begin with, right after he perished, or assuming that he perished before he was left there, is that they are going to have to expand that search site even beyond the immediate area where the remains were found. Just because it is a wooded area where outside and there are wild animals, there are other things that could disturb even those remains. So they're going to have to expand that site just to see if there are any additional bones or clothing or anything else that may be available.

Standpoint, there are a couple of things that kind of jump out at May. One is that assuming that his remains were there to begin with, right after he perished, or assuming that he perished before he was left there, is that they are going to have to expand that search site even beyond the immediate area where the remains were found. Just because it is a wooded area where outside and there are wild animals, there are other things that could disturb even those remains. So they're going to have to expand that site just to see if there are any additional bones or clothing or anything else that may be available.

The other thing on the.

The other thing on the.

Investigative side and show police have already had looked at it originally probably you know, cell phone tower pings, etc. However, this gives them a very much more specific location to look for in and around the time of the child's quote disappearance, and I think that will probably help in fact if there are any cell phone things we've seen that as we know in other cases with the gilgolg Viach murderer that we've spoken about before, you know, those type of records in retrospect, knowing a limit more can be very helpful. Nonetheless, information that people may have in and around the vicinity of I'm assuming that Bill, yes.

Investigative side and show police have already had looked at it originally probably you know, cell phone tower pings, etc. However, this gives them a very much more specific location to look for in and around the time of the child's quote disappearance, and I think that will probably help in fact if there are any cell phone things we've seen that as we know in other cases with the gilgolg Viach murderer that we've spoken about before, you know, those type of records in retrospect, knowing a limit more can be very helpful. Nonetheless, information that people may have in and around the vicinity of I'm assuming that Bill, yes.

You already have hit the nail on the head.

You already have hit the nail on the head.

Let me just say again for the record, nobody's charged with murder. Okay, Darryl Cohen, you're the renowned defense attorney.

Let me just say again for the record, nobody's charged with murder. Okay, Darryl Cohen, you're the renowned defense attorney.

These two idiots. Dare I go that far?

These two idiots. Dare I go that far?

Actually state this in texts, because in this criminal complaint they're quoting what these two were saying to each other, and now the boy's body is found. Look, I'm not a brain sergeant or a rocket scientist, but I can figure this out.

Actually state this in texts, because in this criminal complaint they're quoting what these two were saying to each other, and now the boy's body is found. Look, I'm not a brain sergeant or a rocket scientist, but I can figure this out.

He still equals four. Cohen.

He still equals four. Cohen.

This wasn't child neglect, not at all. This was child abuse. This was an accident where this child was outside it shouldn't have been. This was I'm sorry, mommy, I'm sorry, mommy. All of this was done intentionally. Whether or not they meant to kill him at that point it doesn't matter. It does matter what type of evidence it will have, and the state will have to show exactly what they did, which is not even one thing that any decent parent would ever do.

This wasn't child neglect, not at all. This was child abuse. This was an accident where this child was outside it shouldn't have been. This was I'm sorry, mommy, I'm sorry, mommy. All of this was done intentionally. Whether or not they meant to kill him at that point it doesn't matter. It does matter what type of evidence it will have, and the state will have to show exactly what they did, which is not even one thing that any decent parent would ever do.

Ever, just days before Katrina Bauers planning to pick up her three year old son, boyfriend Jesse Vang reports him missing. Thang claims he took a nap and woke up to find the.

Ever, just days before Katrina Bauers planning to pick up her three year old son, boyfriend Jesse Vang reports him missing. Thang claims he took a nap and woke up to find the.

Toddler gone since eleven am February twentieth, when jesse Vang called nine one one instead Elijah, who was missing. Searches for the now four year old child have taken in wetlands farmland, the West Twin River and a farm waste container. A month into the search for Elijah, his red and white plaid blanket was found about three point seven miles from the home of jesse Vang. The blanket was about three miles south of where the skeletal remains were found.

Toddler gone since eleven am February twentieth, when jesse Vang called nine one one instead Elijah, who was missing. Searches for the now four year old child have taken in wetlands farmland, the West Twin River and a farm waste container. A month into the search for Elijah, his red and white plaid blanket was found about three point seven miles from the home of jesse Vang. The blanket was about three miles south of where the skeletal remains were found.

To Brittany Schmidt joining US investigative reporter and anchor WBA WHITETV Brittany, thank you for being with us. Have you read this criminal complaint? It is disgusting and paragraph ten this is written by the detectives. Of course, police come through Katrina Bauer and Jesse Vang's cell phones.

To Brittany Schmidt joining US investigative reporter and anchor WBA WHITETV Brittany, thank you for being with us. Have you read this criminal complaint? It is disgusting and paragraph ten this is written by the detectives. Of course, police come through Katrina Bauer and Jesse Vang's cell phones.

Completely contradicting everything they were saying.

Completely contradicting everything they were saying.

But they're talking about a visit of mommy too convicted fella lover so she could come over for sex. And the boyfriend tells her where you can't see Elijah. We'll we'll block him in the closet. We'll excuse me, we'll put him in the bathroom while we have sex. She doesn't even want to see Elijah. Did you see that, Brittany?

But they're talking about a visit of mommy too convicted fella lover so she could come over for sex. And the boyfriend tells her where you can't see Elijah. We'll we'll block him in the closet. We'll excuse me, we'll put him in the bathroom while we have sex. She doesn't even want to see Elijah. Did you see that, Brittany?

Yep?

Yep?

So, yep.

So, yep.

I read the complete criminal complaint talking about what they were going to do and where Elijah should go while they were doing it. There was another part of the complaint where she actually left her six year old daughter in the car for about an hour to go inside to his apartment to basically do the same thing.

I read the complete criminal complaint talking about what they were going to do and where Elijah should go while they were doing it. There was another part of the complaint where she actually left her six year old daughter in the car for about an hour to go inside to his apartment to basically do the same thing.

And when she was.

And when she was.

Left in the car alone for about an hour, it was at nighttime. It was like thirty four degrees here in Wisconsin, which is just above freezing, so a very cold night for a six year old to be left in a car for an hour again to do the same thing that she went there that night to do with Jesse Bang.

Left in the car alone for about an hour, it was at nighttime. It was like thirty four degrees here in Wisconsin, which is just above freezing, so a very cold night for a six year old to be left in a car for an hour again to do the same thing that she went there that night to do with Jesse Bang.

Around three point thirteen am, according to the criminal complaint, a photo shows Elijah lying on a bit with a blindfold over his eyes, bruising on his jaw and neck, bruising on his upper left arm. Mommy confirms she took the picture and then deleted it. Her phone leaves two rivers, leaving her boy there four thirty a m. The record low was twenty seven degrees the high thirty six Other photos that we find in Facebook messenger shows little Elijah standing in the corner wearing only a diaper, his hands in a praying position.

Around three point thirteen am, according to the criminal complaint, a photo shows Elijah lying on a bit with a blindfold over his eyes, bruising on his jaw and neck, bruising on his upper left arm. Mommy confirms she took the picture and then deleted it. Her phone leaves two rivers, leaving her boy there four thirty a m. The record low was twenty seven degrees the high thirty six Other photos that we find in Facebook messenger shows little Elijah standing in the corner wearing only a diaper, his hands in a praying position.

The diaper is full and it's.

The diaper is full and it's.

Taken at Jesse Wang's apartment, Bill Delly, does it ever end with people like mommy and her convicted fellon lover? Now Elijah is dead, and yes, let me say again, for legal reasons, they're not charged with his death.

Taken at Jesse Wang's apartment, Bill Delly, does it ever end with people like mommy and her convicted fellon lover? Now Elijah is dead, and yes, let me say again, for legal reasons, they're not charged with his death.

What about it, Bill?

What about it, Bill?

For them to claim that a three year old disappeared out of nowhere, found his way out of a home through a neighborhood, and ultimately found his way to three miles away into a wooded area. If that's the suggestion, it certainly doesn't seem to make sense to me from an investigative standpoint. I think a lot of other things that.

For them to claim that a three year old disappeared out of nowhere, found his way out of a home through a neighborhood, and ultimately found his way to three miles away into a wooded area. If that's the suggestion, it certainly doesn't seem to make sense to me from an investigative standpoint. I think a lot of other things that.

We need to be looked at.

We need to be looked at.

We talked before about the forensics, about the digital forensics, and that footprint unfortunately taught so much time has passed with regard to gathering soil samples from vehicles and shoes, etc. That unfortunately, that ship may have sailed. But still I think there's a number of investigative steps they can take and hopefully kind of button up this case and bring it to justice.

We talked before about the forensics, about the digital forensics, and that footprint unfortunately taught so much time has passed with regard to gathering soil samples from vehicles and shoes, etc. That unfortunately, that ship may have sailed. But still I think there's a number of investigative steps they can take and hopefully kind of button up this case and bring it to justice.

Okay, what about it, Darryl Cohen Nancy.

Okay, what about it, Darryl Cohen Nancy.

There are no words, no words at all to explain what has gone on in this poor child's life. A child being made to be worse than he could His life was worse than ever anyone could imagine. Why in the world they would want him to be a quote man is beyond belief. But acting like a little boy, what little boys do? They do wonderful things and they're exasperating and you love it. But what he went through is just a microcosm of what these two people, once they are charged, will be dealing with in the legal system. And you and I both know if someone hurts a child and they're incarcerated, it's not going to be good for them, regardless of what happens in the courtroom.

There are no words, no words at all to explain what has gone on in this poor child's life. A child being made to be worse than he could His life was worse than ever anyone could imagine. Why in the world they would want him to be a quote man is beyond belief. But acting like a little boy, what little boys do? They do wonderful things and they're exasperating and you love it. But what he went through is just a microcosm of what these two people, once they are charged, will be dealing with in the legal system. And you and I both know if someone hurts a child and they're incarcerated, it's not going to be good for them, regardless of what happens in the courtroom.

Last Saturday, Sheriff Hartway called me immediately upon learning his deputies were responding to investigate a report of skeletal remains found by someone in the town of Two Rivers with night falling near The entire area was secured well, a variety of resources were gathered to investigate. Ultimately, a forensic anthropologist with the Wisconsin State Crime Laboratories was able to confirm a skull and bones as human remains.

Last Saturday, Sheriff Hartway called me immediately upon learning his deputies were responding to investigate a report of skeletal remains found by someone in the town of Two Rivers with night falling near The entire area was secured well, a variety of resources were gathered to investigate. Ultimately, a forensic anthropologist with the Wisconsin State Crime Laboratories was able to confirm a skull and bones as human remains.

As authorities investigate the disappearance of Elijah, View, mom Kad Bauer and boyfriend Jesse Vang are arrested charged with child neglect.

As authorities investigate the disappearance of Elijah, View, mom Kad Bauer and boyfriend Jesse Vang are arrested charged with child neglect.

In the last days, the remains a little three year old Elijah View found in a densely wooded area with me and all Star panel to make sense of what we know right now, we've been talking about the criminal complaint that led to mommy and our convicted fellow lover's arrest on child neglect.

In the last days, the remains a little three year old Elijah View found in a densely wooded area with me and all Star panel to make sense of what we know right now, we've been talking about the criminal complaint that led to mommy and our convicted fellow lover's arrest on child neglect.

To doctor Aaron Kimberley, joining.

To doctor Aaron Kimberley, joining.

US forensic anthropologist and director Florida is teet forensic anthropology. Doctor Kimberly, I want to talk to you about cod cause of death. You were describing earlier that there.

US forensic anthropologist and director Florida is teet forensic anthropology. Doctor Kimberly, I want to talk to you about cod cause of death. You were describing earlier that there.

Will be an elaborate excavation process.

Will be an elaborate excavation process.

To try and get all of the over three hundred bones that are in a child's body, a child of three years old. What can you tell us about potential discovery of cause of death?

To try and get all of the over three hundred bones that are in a child's body, a child of three years old. What can you tell us about potential discovery of cause of death?

Well, it's going to be critical in this case in order to explain what actually happened to him. They will go through each of those little bones, each of those little remains, meticulously clean them, X ray, look at them, look at them with microscopes and try to assess if there are any injuries. And there's two important things that they'll be looking for. One, of course, is that injuries that occurred at the time of death that would explain the cause of death. And then there would be looking for any signs abuse, neglect, malnutrition, prior injuries, maybe in different stages of healing that will show a pattern of abuse. And you see that a lot in children like this. That could be in the month preceding his death, or it could be over the three years of his life, and so all of that helps to show that pattern of what he went through.

Well, it's going to be critical in this case in order to explain what actually happened to him. They will go through each of those little bones, each of those little remains, meticulously clean them, X ray, look at them, look at them with microscopes and try to assess if there are any injuries. And there's two important things that they'll be looking for. One, of course, is that injuries that occurred at the time of death that would explain the cause of death. And then there would be looking for any signs abuse, neglect, malnutrition, prior injuries, maybe in different stages of healing that will show a pattern of abuse. And you see that a lot in children like this. That could be in the month preceding his death, or it could be over the three years of his life, and so all of that helps to show that pattern of what he went through.

Listen to Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on America's number one podcast network, iHeart open your free iHeart app and search Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. And here's the concern for the prosecution. Daryl Cohen Darald Cohen, now high profile defense attorney, but former felony prosecutor in inner city Atlanta. Darryl here's the thing, this is why we need doctor Aaron Kermerley so much. The defense is going to claim because they're him in they're trapped by the two defendant's previous statements. They can't go anywhere except to say, oh, I went to sleep.

Listen to Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on America's number one podcast network, iHeart open your free iHeart app and search Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. And here's the concern for the prosecution. Daryl Cohen Darald Cohen, now high profile defense attorney, but former felony prosecutor in inner city Atlanta. Darryl here's the thing, this is why we need doctor Aaron Kermerley so much. The defense is going to claim because they're him in they're trapped by the two defendant's previous statements. They can't go anywhere except to say, oh, I went to sleep.

And I woke up and he was gone.

And I woke up and he was gone.

Without a cod that could effectively be argued to a jury. Yes I was mistreating him, Yes I'm neglectful, but I really did go to sleep and he wandered out. That it could actually succeed if we can't get a cod because it could be argued he just wandered out and died in the elements.

Without a cod that could effectively be argued to a jury. Yes I was mistreating him, Yes I'm neglectful, but I really did go to sleep and he wandered out. That it could actually succeed if we can't get a cod because it could be argued he just wandered out and died in the elements.

Nancy, that's true, that could happen. But they will both assuming that's the case, assuming a jury says not guilty. They will not say not guilty on child abuse. They will not say not guilty on all of the sour charges. So sometimes you get mad, but then you really have to get even think al Capone, who is the worst human being in the world during his time, and what are they getting on murder?

Nancy, that's true, that could happen. But they will both assuming that's the case, assuming a jury says not guilty. They will not say not guilty on child abuse. They will not say not guilty on all of the sour charges. So sometimes you get mad, but then you really have to get even think al Capone, who is the worst human being in the world during his time, and what are they getting on murder?

Nah?

Nah?

Tax evasion? But it's served.

Tax evasion? But it's served.

Okay, Darryl, no offense because you were a great prosecutor and a great defense attorney. But could you please stop the gibberish Okay, telling me that, uh, let's wait on jail house justice. Okay, you know where you can stick that to coin a legal phrase. And now you're saying, hey, let's wait. If we can't get him on murder, maybe we can get him on tax evasion. Okay, head blowing off right now. But that said, let me give a more effective approach. The prosecution could consider felony murder. They're already charged with felony child neglect, and during the commission of that felony, a death occurs, whether intended or not. Felony murder in many jurisdictions carries the same sentence as malice or murder.

Okay, Darryl, no offense because you were a great prosecutor and a great defense attorney. But could you please stop the gibberish Okay, telling me that, uh, let's wait on jail house justice. Okay, you know where you can stick that to coin a legal phrase. And now you're saying, hey, let's wait. If we can't get him on murder, maybe we can get him on tax evasion. Okay, head blowing off right now. But that said, let me give a more effective approach. The prosecution could consider felony murder. They're already charged with felony child neglect, and during the commission of that felony, a death occurs, whether intended or not. Felony murder in many jurisdictions carries the same sentence as malice or murder.

One murder.

One murder.

I'm trying to talk legal practicalities, not I don't even know what you're saying. You're like you're from a different planet. Let's wait for a tax evasion charge. What about a felony murder charge?

I'm trying to talk legal practicalities, not I don't even know what you're saying. You're like you're from a different planet. Let's wait for a tax evasion charge. What about a felony murder charge?

What about that?

What about that?

Dear old Cohen, Come on you imagine in the middle of the road with me. Get out of the weeds.

Dear old Cohen, Come on you imagine in the middle of the road with me. Get out of the weeds.

I'm in the middle of the road. You apparently are in the weeds. You don't like these people, and I don't blame you, but I will say this, I don't like it.

I'm in the middle of the road. You apparently are in the weeds. You don't like these people, and I don't blame you, but I will say this, I don't like it.

It doesn't matter if I like them or love them. The child is dead.

It doesn't matter if I like them or love them. The child is dead.

And here is a plausible way to get a murder conviction.

And here is a plausible way to get a murder conviction.

That's a possible way of getting a murder conviction, depending on what the circumstances are after the investigation. As to how this child died. If it can be proven that this child and was zen place where he was found, that's one thing. If it appears in the physical and forensic evidence shows that he wandered away, then finding them guilty of murder is going to be a lot more difficult. But being difficult doesn't mean you can't get even in another way. No, I don't suggest tax evasion.

That's a possible way of getting a murder conviction, depending on what the circumstances are after the investigation. As to how this child died. If it can be proven that this child and was zen place where he was found, that's one thing. If it appears in the physical and forensic evidence shows that he wandered away, then finding them guilty of murder is going to be a lot more difficult. But being difficult doesn't mean you can't get even in another way. No, I don't suggest tax evasion.

I don't want to get even. I want justice.

I don't want to get even. I want justice.

Brittany Schmidt joining me anchor investigative reporter, Brittany, Where was the blanket found in relation to the remains, because that is a way for me to show he didn't just wander off.

Brittany Schmidt joining me anchor investigative reporter, Brittany, Where was the blanket found in relation to the remains, because that is a way for me to show he didn't just wander off.

Where was the blanket? Brittany?

Where was the blanket? Brittany?

It was just a few miles away from where the remains were found, so about a two minute three minute drive. We even did the drive from where he was reported missing at the apartment complex to where the profound Jena Horse was blocked off by police and that was about a four minute drive for us.

It was just a few miles away from where the remains were found, so about a two minute three minute drive. We even did the drive from where he was reported missing at the apartment complex to where the profound Jena Horse was blocked off by police and that was about a four minute drive for us.

But was found out in the the woods. Was it in a dumpster? Where was the blanket?

But was found out in the the woods. Was it in a dumpster? Where was the blanket?

It was out in a field, so you would have.

It was out in a field, so you would have.

To think, oh, was the field near a roadway, Brittany Schmidt.

To think, oh, was the field near a roadway, Brittany Schmidt.

It was near a road.

It was near a road.

Yes, okay, so the steak can make a reasonable argument the blanket was thrown out of a car. If you believe this child wandered away in the freezing snow eleven inches with nothing but a blanket, wearing a dipe Ooh, that's a good question as to whether he was wearing clothes.

Yes, okay, so the steak can make a reasonable argument the blanket was thrown out of a car. If you believe this child wandered away in the freezing snow eleven inches with nothing but a blanket, wearing a dipe Ooh, that's a good question as to whether he was wearing clothes.

If clothing was.

If clothing was.

Found on his remains, that's hard to believe that he would walk out in the snow, discard his blanket in one place, and then walk another mile plus barefoot.

Found on his remains, that's hard to believe that he would walk out in the snow, discard his blanket in one place, and then walk another mile plus barefoot.

Hey, Brittany, did the.

Hey, Brittany, did the.

Remains were they found with any clothing or shoes?

Remains were they found with any clothing or shoes?

We tried to ask that question. We did not get those details. But I'm in the community that it's a very popular road where he was reported missing on. So when talking to community, they said if they were to see a toddler walking, they would have seen them. So it was about a four mile trip from the apartment to where the remains were found.

We tried to ask that question. We did not get those details. But I'm in the community that it's a very popular road where he was reported missing on. So when talking to community, they said if they were to see a toddler walking, they would have seen them. So it was about a four mile trip from the apartment to where the remains were found.

A potential break in the search for missing Elijah view as human remains are found on a rural Wisconsin property. Has Elijah been found?

A potential break in the search for missing Elijah view as human remains are found on a rural Wisconsin property. Has Elijah been found?

The remains of this little top boy haven't been found. We don't know a lot of details yet. Was he wearing the clothes in which he.

The remains of this little top boy haven't been found. We don't know a lot of details yet. Was he wearing the clothes in which he.

Was reportedly last seen.

Was reportedly last seen.

You got to consider the source where we got that information. He was last thing wearing gray pants, a long sleeved dark shirt, red and green dinosaur shoes, and carrying the red and white plaid blanket that was found several miles away from the home.

You got to consider the source where we got that information. He was last thing wearing gray pants, a long sleeved dark shirt, red and green dinosaur shoes, and carrying the red and white plaid blanket that was found several miles away from the home.

We know that skeletal.

We know that skeletal.

Remains have been found in a wooded area about three miles from Vang. That is the boyfriend's home.

Remains have been found in a wooded area about three miles from Vang. That is the boyfriend's home.

Vang's home.

Vang's home.

We have been got We've gotten confirmation through DNA testing that the skeletal remains are Elijah view to doctor Aaron Kimberly joining us for instic anthropologist. Doctor Kimberly, the reason I'm asking if the remains were totally skeletonized, which we understand they were, does that make sense that they're skeletonized after about six plus months?

We have been got We've gotten confirmation through DNA testing that the skeletal remains are Elijah view to doctor Aaron Kimberly joining us for instic anthropologist. Doctor Kimberly, the reason I'm asking if the remains were totally skeletonized, which we understand they were, does that make sense that they're skeletonized after about six plus months?

Number one? And number two.

Number one? And number two.

If the remains are skeletonized, that means no soft tissue, no internal organs, no eyes, no skin. So we won't be able to look at the neck to determine if there was a sign of strangulation. We won't be able to look at the eyes to determine if there were burst Particia, it's going to be hard unless you've got broken bones, or unless you've got a nick from a knife or a bullet, which I doubt we're not going to be able to get cause of death.

If the remains are skeletonized, that means no soft tissue, no internal organs, no eyes, no skin. So we won't be able to look at the neck to determine if there was a sign of strangulation. We won't be able to look at the eyes to determine if there were burst Particia, it's going to be hard unless you've got broken bones, or unless you've got a nick from a knife or a bullet, which I doubt we're not going to be able to get cause of death.

Without soft tissue. Could you explain that, doctor Camerly.

Without soft tissue. Could you explain that, doctor Camerly.

You're right, they're going to be looking at each individual bone and trying to assess if there are any fractures. The most likely or most expected, you know, type of injuries would be blunt trauma because of that photo you already see he had blunt trauma. But they'll look for even fracture lines, hairline fractures or breaks, and then they'll be looking for those that occurred at the time of death. Obviously there's no healing on those injuries, but there may be other injuries from the months or years before that that show a systematic or pattern of abuse. So they'll be looking for both of those types of injuries.

You're right, they're going to be looking at each individual bone and trying to assess if there are any fractures. The most likely or most expected, you know, type of injuries would be blunt trauma because of that photo you already see he had blunt trauma. But they'll look for even fracture lines, hairline fractures or breaks, and then they'll be looking for those that occurred at the time of death. Obviously there's no healing on those injuries, but there may be other injuries from the months or years before that that show a systematic or pattern of abuse. So they'll be looking for both of those types of injuries.

Two renowned psychologist Karen Stark Karen, I've been looking at the text between these two ghules straight from Hell, and they're texting back and forth, and the mother, the biological mother of Elijah Vie, says, I I don't want him to hate you, just fear you.

Two renowned psychologist Karen Stark Karen, I've been looking at the text between these two ghules straight from Hell, and they're texting back and forth, and the mother, the biological mother of Elijah Vie, says, I I don't want him to hate you, just fear you.

How could we make sense out of anything that she said, Nancy, Because this is somebody who sent her a little boy there, and here's a little boy who couldn't be a little boy who was treated like a terrorist. He was actually subjected to those kinds of tactics where he stood cold water, a diepy all day. This is a horrible, horrible example of parenting. It's abuse, and so I can't even begin to imagine what the outcome will be. But we hope that they get what they deserve and justice served.

How could we make sense out of anything that she said, Nancy, Because this is somebody who sent her a little boy there, and here's a little boy who couldn't be a little boy who was treated like a terrorist. He was actually subjected to those kinds of tactics where he stood cold water, a diepy all day. This is a horrible, horrible example of parenting. It's abuse, and so I can't even begin to imagine what the outcome will be. But we hope that they get what they deserve and justice served.

He also writes to the bio mom quote, he did fear me, but he didn't respect me. Now I'm making him a three year old top boy respect me. I wonder how much respect he's going to get behind bars in the pen. Brittany Schmidt joining us, WBA y Brittany where are these two now? I'm referring to this guy Vang and mommy.

He also writes to the bio mom quote, he did fear me, but he didn't respect me. Now I'm making him a three year old top boy respect me. I wonder how much respect he's going to get behind bars in the pen. Brittany Schmidt joining us, WBA y Brittany where are these two now? I'm referring to this guy Vang and mommy.

Right now they're sitting in the Manitoau County jail.

Right now they're sitting in the Manitoau County jail.

So they're getting three hots and a cot while we are trying to We're standing by to find out if all three hundred plus bones of Elijah Vue have been found. If you have information about what happened to this beautiful boy. Just three call eight four four to six seven sixty six four eight repeat eight four four two six seven sixty six four eight. We stop now and remember American Hero Lieutenant Dustin Demante Bristol, p D.

So they're getting three hots and a cot while we are trying to We're standing by to find out if all three hundred plus bones of Elijah Vue have been found. If you have information about what happened to this beautiful boy. Just three call eight four four to six seven sixty six four eight repeat eight four four two six seven sixty six four eight. We stop now and remember American Hero Lieutenant Dustin Demante Bristol, p D.

Thirty five, shot and killed in a line of duty.

Thirty five, shot and killed in a line of duty.

Lieutenant Demonte survived by his wife who is expecting a baby, Laura, daughter Phoebe, and son Porter. American Hero Lieutenant Dustin Demonte. Thank you to our guests for being with us and helping us wade through the discovery of the remains of Elijah. You fancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend.

Lieutenant Demonte survived by his wife who is expecting a baby, Laura, daughter Phoebe, and son Porter. American Hero Lieutenant Dustin Demonte. Thank you to our guests for being with us and helping us wade through the discovery of the remains of Elijah. You fancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend.