The adoptive parents of 3-year-old Orson West and 4-year-old his brother Orrin, send the boys outside to play just days before Christmas. Mom is inside wrapping presents. The brothers haven't been seen since. The dad was outside collecting firewood when he says he couldn't see the boys. After confirming the boys weren't inside the home, a frantic search began.




Joining Nancy Grace today:
Marc Klaas - Founder, Klaas Kids Foundation www.klaaskids.org
Kathleen Murphy - North Carolina, Family Attorney, www.ncdomesticlaw.com  
Dr. Angela Arnold - Psychiatrist, Atlanta Ga www.angelaarnoldmd.com 
Sheryl McCollum - Forensic Expert & Cold Case Investigative Research Institute Founder
Joe Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics Jacksonville State University, Author, "Blood Beneath My Feet" featured on "Poisonous Liaisons" on True Crime Network 
Bayan Wang, Reporter 23ABC News Bakersfield

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The adoptive parents of 3-year-old Orson West and 4-year-old his brother Orrin, send the boys outside to play just days before Christmas. Mom is inside wrapping presents. The brothers haven't been seen since. The dad was outside collecting firewood when he says he couldn't see the boys. After confirming the boys weren't inside the home, a frantic search began. Joining Nancy Grace today:<ul>
<li>Marc Klaas - Founder, Klaas Kids Foundation www.klaaskids.org</li>
<li>Kathleen Murphy - North Carolina, Family Attorney, www.ncdomesticlaw.com  </li>
<li>Dr. Angela Arnold - Psychiatrist, Atlanta Ga www.angelaarnoldmd.com </li>
<li>Sheryl McCollum - Forensic Expert &amp; Cold Case Investigative Research Institute Founder</li>
<li>Joe Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics Jacksonville State University, Author, "Blood Beneath My Feet" featured on "Poisonous Liaisons" on True Crime Network </li>
<li>Bayan Wang, Reporter 23ABC News Bakersfield</li>
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Nancy Grace dives deep into the day’s most shocking crimes and asks the tough questions in her new daily podcast – Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Nancy Grace had a perfect conviction record during her decade as a prosecutor and used her TV show to find missing people, fugitives on the run and unseen clues. Now, she will use the power of her huge social media following and the immediacy of the internet to deliver daily bombshells!

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Nancy Grace dives deep into the day’s most shocking crimes and asks the tough questions in her new daily podcast – Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Nancy Grace had a perfect conviction record during her decade as a prosecutor and used her TV show to find missing people, fugitives on the run and unseen clues. Now, she will use the power of her huge social media following and the immediacy of the internet to deliver daily bombshells!

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Precious brothers Orrin and Orson West. 3 and 4 years old VANISH, still missing after a year.

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Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos continues to say he believes the Nancy Guthrie investigation is moving forward.  Speaking to reporters, Nanos says while things are not where they need to be, but progress is being made. Is it?   On Thursday, Nanos responded to a question of whether Nancy was still alive with, 'I have nothing to indicate she's dead. I don't have a body. I don't have a burial site. I don't have any note.'

The next day, the Pima County Sheriff’s Office released two ransom notes that we have been discussing for six months. In the second note, the write reveals Nancy has died and "was in nature."  

Many are questioning mistakes made in the investigation and whether the outcome of this case would have been different, had it been handled appropriately. 

Anyone with information on the abduction of Nancy Guthrie is asked to call 1-800-CALL-FBI (1-800-225-5324) or 88-CRIME. 

JOINING NANCY GRACE TONIGHT:
Lisa J. Miller  - Former Detective, Former Chief Investigator, Senior Executive Colorado AG's Office. X: @LisaJMillerCO
Dr. Bethany Marshall -  Psychoanalyst,  Author: "Deal Breaker," feataured on the hit show: "Paris in Love" on Peacock and "The Valley, Persian Style" on Bravo.     Host of a new podcast "On The Couch with Dr. Bethany Marshall,"  Website: drbethanymarshall.com, Instagram FB & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, Twitter:@DrBethanyLive
Morgan Wright -  Cybersecurity expert and Former Detective, CEO and Founder  National Center for Open and Unsolved Cases,  Editor and Host - Crime: Reconstructed Substack and Podcast 
Joseph Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author, "Blood Beneath My Feet", YouTube Host: "Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan", @JoScottForensic 
Dave Mack - Investigative Reporter, 'Crime Stories'

Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos continues to say he believes the Nancy Guthrie investigation is moving forward.&nbsp; Speaking to reporters, Nanos says while things are not where they need to be, but progress is being made. Is it?&nbsp; &nbsp;On Thursday, Nanos responded to a question of whether Nancy was still alive with, 'I have nothing to indicate she's dead. I don't have a body. I don't have a burial site. I don't have any note.'
The next day, the Pima County Sheriff&rsquo;s Office released two ransom notes that we have been discussing for six months. In the second note, the write reveals Nancy has died and "was in nature."&nbsp;&nbsp;
Many are questioning mistakes made in the investigation and whether the outcome of this case would have been different, had it been handled appropriately.&nbsp;
Anyone with information on the abduction of Nancy Guthrie is asked to call 1-800-CALL-FBI (1-800-225-5324) or 88-CRIME.&nbsp;
JOINING NANCY GRACE TONIGHT:
<ul>
<li>Lisa J. Miller&nbsp; - Former Detective, Former Chief Investigator, Senior Executive Colorado AG's Office. X: @LisaJMillerCO</li>
<li>Dr. Bethany Marshall -&nbsp; Psychoanalyst,&nbsp; Author: "Deal Breaker," feataured on the hit show: "Paris in Love" on Peacock and "The Valley, Persian Style" on Bravo.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Host of a new podcast "On The Couch with Dr. Bethany Marshall,"&nbsp; Website: drbethanymarshall.com, Instagram FB &amp; TikTok: drbethanymarshall, Twitter:@DrBethanyLive</li>
<li>Morgan Wright -&nbsp; Cybersecurity expert and Former Detective, CEO and Founder&nbsp; National Center for Open and Unsolved Cases,&nbsp; Editor and Host - Crime: Reconstructed Substack and Podcast&nbsp;</li>
<li>Joseph Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author, "Blood Beneath My Feet", YouTube Host: "Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan", @JoScottForensic&nbsp;</li>
<li>Dave Mack - Investigative Reporter, 'Crime Stories'</li>
</ul>

'"SORRY, SHE DIED:" NANCY GUTHRIE RANSOM NOTES TO SNARE SUSPECTS

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A Southern California real estate dispute turns fatal when two men allegedly kidnap an associate, and execute him in a car trunk before deputies intervene. Atlanta Instacart driver's car stolen with her two-year-old daughter inside, leading to a rapid response and rescue. Authorities credit Flock cameras for Alabama arrest of Florida fugitive wanted for kidnapping a child under ten. Sydney Silvagni reports. 

A Southern California real estate dispute turns fatal when two men allegedly kidnap an associate, and execute him in a car trunk before deputies intervene. Atlanta Instacart driver's car stolen with her two-year-old daughter inside, leading to a rapid response and rescue. Authorities credit Flock cameras for Alabama arrest of Florida fugitive wanted for kidnapping a child under ten. Sydney Silvagni reports.&nbsp;

Chino Hills Kidnapping Ends in Trunk Execution & Deputy Shooting | Crime Alert 08.04.26

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Nolan Wells’ official autopsy is now complete, but remains under seal. It's headed to a secret Grand Jury.  We do know the results of the Wells family's independent autopsy. It concluded the cause and manner of death are undetermined pending further investigation. The pathologist noted advanced decomposition, removal of key organs during the state autopsy, and an inconclusive red discoloration on the back of Wells’ head. No fractures or deep tissue injuries were identified.   

A newly enhanced recording of a July 4 emergency call from Wells’ friends reportedly includes phrases like “Is he dead?” and “Wake up.”  It's not known if that those word apply to Nolan.

As the investigation continues, many connected to it are getting death threats and the FBI is investigating.   

Joining Nancy Grace today:
Tezlyn Figaro  -  Journalist and host "The Tezlyn Figaro Podcast, "Managing News Editor for "REVOLT News Television".  Consultant for Attorney Ben Crump. Political Analyst, Veteran 
Franz Borghardt  -  Criminal Defense Attorney, Founder of Borghardt Law Firm, Former Prosecutor, website: www.borghardtlawfirm.com, Insta/FB: BorghardtLawFirm 
Jeanetta Brantley - audio engineer who enhanced the 911 audio in Nolan Wells case 
George Olivo  - former FBI Special Agent & Polygraph Examiner, georgeolivo.com
Joseph Scott Morgan -  Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author, "Blood Beneath My Feet", YouTube Host: "Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan", @JoScottForensic, 
Susan Hendricks  -  Investigative Journalist, Author: “Down the Hill: My Descent into the Double Murder in Delphi", IG @susan_hendricks X @SusanHendicks 
Dave Mack  - Investigative Reporter, 'Crime Stories'

Nolan Wells&rsquo; official autopsy is now complete, but remains under seal. It's headed to a secret Grand Jury.&nbsp; We do know the results of the Wells family's independent autopsy. It concluded the cause and manner of death are undetermined pending further investigation. The pathologist noted advanced decomposition, removal of key organs during the state autopsy, and an inconclusive red discoloration on the back of Wells&rsquo; head. No fractures or deep tissue injuries were identified.&nbsp; &nbsp;
A newly enhanced recording of a July 4 emergency call from Wells&rsquo; friends reportedly includes phrases like &ldquo;Is he dead?&rdquo; and &ldquo;Wake up.&rdquo;&nbsp; It's not known if that those word apply to Nolan.
As the investigation continues, many connected to it are getting death threats and the FBI is investigating.&nbsp; &nbsp;
Joining Nancy Grace today:
<ul>
<li>Tezlyn Figaro&nbsp; -&nbsp; Journalist and host "The Tezlyn Figaro Podcast, "Managing News Editor for "REVOLT News Television".&nbsp; Consultant for Attorney Ben Crump. Political Analyst, Veteran&nbsp;</li>
<li>Franz Borghardt&nbsp; -&nbsp; Criminal Defense Attorney, Founder of Borghardt Law Firm, Former Prosecutor, website: <a href="http://www.borghardtlawfirm.com/" data-auth="NotApplicable" data-linkindex="6">www.borghardtlawfirm.com</a>, Insta/FB: BorghardtLawFirm&nbsp;</li>
<li>Jeanetta Brantley - audio engineer who enhanced the 911 audio in Nolan Wells case&nbsp;</li>
<li>George Olivo&nbsp; - former FBI Special Agent &amp; Polygraph Examiner, georgeolivo.com</li>
<li>Joseph Scott Morgan -&nbsp; Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author, "Blood Beneath My Feet", YouTube Host: "Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan", @JoScottForensic,&nbsp;</li>
<li>Susan Hendricks&nbsp; -&nbsp; Investigative Journalist, Author: &ldquo;Down the Hill: My Descent into the Double Murder in Delphi", IG @susan_hendricks X @SusanHendicks&nbsp;</li>
<li>Dave Mack&nbsp; - Investigative Reporter, 'Crime Stories'</li>
</ul>

NOLAN WELLS BOMBSHELL: DEATH-THREAT "BLOOD, SO MUCH BLOOD"

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Precious brothers Orrin and Orson West. 3 and 4 years old VANISH, still missing after a year.

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