Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The Mussalo murders unsolved. A beautiful couple murdered in their own home, Ela law enforcement begging for tips. Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The Mussalo murders unsolved. A beautiful couple murdered in their own home, Ela law enforcement begging for tips. Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

A happy and healthy couple look forward to retirement in their beautiful neur Reno home, but their quiet retirement is quickly shattered by violence.

A happy and healthy couple look forward to retirement in their beautiful neur Reno home, but their quiet retirement is quickly shattered by violence.

In their own home. This beautiful couple murdered. How did the discovery of this crime begin? Listen?

In their own home. This beautiful couple murdered. How did the discovery of this crime begin? Listen?

Ahead of their April plans to visit family in New York, Joanne Coles wants to invite her parents to dinner. Joanne calls the Mussalis's landline, but the phone rings and rings with no answer. Joanne assumes her parents' power maybe out, a common occurrence in snowy months. Joanne calls the Montrose Secure to check on them. The guard reports back that no one answered his knocking. While it's odd for Joan and Albert to ignore the door, Joanne theorizes her parents may be laid up in bed with a cold.

Ahead of their April plans to visit family in New York, Joanne Coles wants to invite her parents to dinner. Joanne calls the Mussalis's landline, but the phone rings and rings with no answer. Joanne assumes her parents' power maybe out, a common occurrence in snowy months. Joanne calls the Montrose Secure to check on them. The guard reports back that no one answered his knocking. While it's odd for Joan and Albert to ignore the door, Joanne theorizes her parents may be laid up in bed with a cold.

Joining me right now, the woman that made that faithful phone call Joanne Coles, Joanne, thank you for being with us. Could you describe that phone call and what went through your mind?

Joining me right now, the woman that made that faithful phone call Joanne Coles, Joanne, thank you for being with us. Could you describe that phone call and what went through your mind?

Well, it's interesting that I lived in so much denial at that moment, But I thought for sure that maybe they were sick, had the flu, something else was going on. So I called them the first time and they went to the door. The second time, I asked them to please look through the garage window and tell me whether or not their car was in the garage. So I knew that their car was in the garage. They only had one car, and I knew that they were not answering the door and all the lights were off, so my husband and I drove out to to check on them.

Well, it's interesting that I lived in so much denial at that moment, But I thought for sure that maybe they were sick, had the flu, something else was going on. So I called them the first time and they went to the door. The second time, I asked them to please look through the garage window and tell me whether or not their car was in the garage. So I knew that their car was in the garage. They only had one car, and I knew that they were not answering the door and all the lights were off, so my husband and I drove out to to check on them.

Joanne, when you called and no one answered, you assumed that they were in bed with a cold. Is that correct, yes? Or the flu?

Joanne, when you called and no one answered, you assumed that they were in bed with a cold. Is that correct, yes? Or the flu?

Or that they were sick. Yes?

Or that they were sick. Yes?

And what led you to get in the car and drive to check on your parents? What inner voice told you? You could not just rely on them not picking the phone up. You had to drive there and find out for yourself.

And what led you to get in the car and drive to check on your parents? What inner voice told you? You could not just rely on them not picking the phone up. You had to drive there and find out for yourself.

My parents moved to Reno to be near me and for me to help them, so I took that responsibility very seriously. And when the answering machine didn't pick up, and they didn't respond to knocks on the door. It was snowing that night, and I knew that my father did not like to drive in the snow anymore, and with the car in the garage, I felt compelled to go out and find out what happened.

My parents moved to Reno to be near me and for me to help them, so I took that responsibility very seriously. And when the answering machine didn't pick up, and they didn't respond to knocks on the door. It was snowing that night, and I knew that my father did not like to drive in the snow anymore, and with the car in the garage, I felt compelled to go out and find out what happened.

Listen.

Listen.

Joanne and her husband decide to check on her parents themselves. They make the drive to Montreux as a snowstorm blows in. Joanne unlocks the front door and calls for her parents. When there's no answer, Joanne steps into the home but freezes. There's mud tracked through the entryway and dining room. Joan would never let a mess like that sit. Joanne's husband walks toward the primary bedroom and, to his horror, finds Joan and Albert shot to death in their bed.

Joanne and her husband decide to check on her parents themselves. They make the drive to Montreux as a snowstorm blows in. Joanne unlocks the front door and calls for her parents. When there's no answer, Joanne steps into the home but freezes. There's mud tracked through the entryway and dining room. Joan would never let a mess like that sit. Joanne's husband walks toward the primary bedroom and, to his horror, finds Joan and Albert shot to death in their bed.

At this hour, law enforcement begging for tips. If you know or think you know anything about the murders of this beautiful couple, please I'll seven seven five three two eight three three two zero repeat seven seven five three two eight three three two zero. Joan, I do not enjoy asking you to relive that moment for people that are not familiar with your parents' story. Could you describe what happened when you finally get to their home. What happened. I'd also like to hear what was going through your mind en route as you made that drive.

At this hour, law enforcement begging for tips. If you know or think you know anything about the murders of this beautiful couple, please I'll seven seven five three two eight three three two zero repeat seven seven five three two eight three three two zero. Joan, I do not enjoy asking you to relive that moment for people that are not familiar with your parents' story. Could you describe what happened when you finally get to their home. What happened. I'd also like to hear what was going through your mind en route as you made that drive.

We had left our two sons at home alone. They were fourteen and ten at the time, and as we were driving over, it was about seven point fifteen, and I was thinking, oh, you know, getting home in time to put them to bed, because given on their own, they would have stayed up later than they should on a school night.

We had left our two sons at home alone. They were fourteen and ten at the time, and as we were driving over, it was about seven point fifteen, and I was thinking, oh, you know, getting home in time to put them to bed, because given on their own, they would have stayed up later than they should on a school night.

So I looked at the clock when.

So I looked at the clock when.

We were driving down the street to their house and thinking I'll be home in time for them to go to bed. When we got to the house, and when in the garage door, because I had the garage door opener and I knew the alarm code. When I walked through the garage and got into the kitchen and then into the dining room, I saw the mud on the floor, and I have to say, at that point, my heart kind of stopped because I knew that my mother would not have gone to bed with mud on the floor. That was just not her. She was a fastidious house cleaner and always kept a beautiful home.

We were driving down the street to their house and thinking I'll be home in time for them to go to bed. When we got to the house, and when in the garage door, because I had the garage door opener and I knew the alarm code. When I walked through the garage and got into the kitchen and then into the dining room, I saw the mud on the floor, and I have to say, at that point, my heart kind of stopped because I knew that my mother would not have gone to bed with mud on the floor. That was just not her. She was a fastidious house cleaner and always kept a beautiful home.

I'm just wondering what went through your mind when you saw that mud on the floor. Like Joanne, my mom lives with us, and I remember just recently I walked in her room and I saw her walker just sitting there without her and that never ever, ever happens, and I knew immediately something was wrong, and sure enough, something was very wrong, and I ended up taking her to the emergency room. There's that when you know someone so well and you know their behavior. When you saw that mud on the floor, you said your heart stopped.

I'm just wondering what went through your mind when you saw that mud on the floor. Like Joanne, my mom lives with us, and I remember just recently I walked in her room and I saw her walker just sitting there without her and that never ever, ever happens, and I knew immediately something was wrong, and sure enough, something was very wrong, and I ended up taking her to the emergency room. There's that when you know someone so well and you know their behavior. When you saw that mud on the floor, you said your heart stopped.

Yes, And I told my husband that I couldn't go any further, and he went into the room and saw them both. I stayed in the dining room, and then when he came out, he said they were dead. And I asked him if he was sure, and he said yes, And then we went into the kitchen to try and call nine one one. Their phone line had been cut, so their phone did not work, and at that time, in that area, cell phone reception was terrible and I had ended up having to make multiple calls to nine one one on two phones in order to get through.

Yes, And I told my husband that I couldn't go any further, and he went into the room and saw them both. I stayed in the dining room, and then when he came out, he said they were dead. And I asked him if he was sure, and he said yes, And then we went into the kitchen to try and call nine one one. Their phone line had been cut, so their phone did not work, and at that time, in that area, cell phone reception was terrible and I had ended up having to make multiple calls to nine one one on two phones in order to get through.

Joining Me now is another special guest. In addition to Albert and Jones' daughter, Joanne, Tom Green is joining US US former chief Deputy with the Washoe County Sheriff's Office, the detective on this case, now private investigator and owner of Nevada Investigative Services, Tom, thank you for being with us, and thank you for your continued diligence and dedication to solving this case. You know, Tom, two things just off the top of my head. Number one, how small details may mean nothing to some people, but to other people they mean everything. I recall investigating the case of a beautiful young teacher that was murdered, Tara Grinstead, And when her mother and I went into Tara's home, she was, as Joanne is describing her parents, fastidious. Her home looked like a magazine ad for home decor. But when we went into her bedroom, a lamp was askew and the bed was off center. It was supposed to be up against the wall, but it was off center. And also, I'm sure you've been in people's cars where you get in the car, they've had the car ten years and it still smells brand new, and it looks brand new. She was like that. And Tara's car on the sides were covered in mud, and her mother said, the moment I saw that, I knew that she was gone, isn't that odd? Probative. Probative is a better word that When joe Ann walked in, and I'm hung up on this fact, she knew immediately when she saw mud on the floor, she saw like my heart stopped. I knew what about that? Tom Green?

Joining Me now is another special guest. In addition to Albert and Jones' daughter, Joanne, Tom Green is joining US US former chief Deputy with the Washoe County Sheriff's Office, the detective on this case, now private investigator and owner of Nevada Investigative Services, Tom, thank you for being with us, and thank you for your continued diligence and dedication to solving this case. You know, Tom, two things just off the top of my head. Number one, how small details may mean nothing to some people, but to other people they mean everything. I recall investigating the case of a beautiful young teacher that was murdered, Tara Grinstead, And when her mother and I went into Tara's home, she was, as Joanne is describing her parents, fastidious. Her home looked like a magazine ad for home decor. But when we went into her bedroom, a lamp was askew and the bed was off center. It was supposed to be up against the wall, but it was off center. And also, I'm sure you've been in people's cars where you get in the car, they've had the car ten years and it still smells brand new, and it looks brand new. She was like that. And Tara's car on the sides were covered in mud, and her mother said, the moment I saw that, I knew that she was gone, isn't that odd? Probative. Probative is a better word that When joe Ann walked in, and I'm hung up on this fact, she knew immediately when she saw mud on the floor, she saw like my heart stopped. I knew what about that? Tom Green?

Well, I think to the layperson that's not involved in the case, they might think that's unusual or weird that that would catch her eye. But being in their home, I can see exactly why that did catch her eye. And you know, the patterns of your parents, somebody that you know very very well are super important in cases like this because it helps us develop timelines. It helps us develop areas to look that we might not have otherwise looked at. You know, we had to we had to rule out that that that, you know, other muddy footprints within the house weren't the police that came in and did searching. So, you know, we photographed every officer that went in that house. We photographed all their all their shoe prints to make sure the other footprints that we found in there were not.

Well, I think to the layperson that's not involved in the case, they might think that's unusual or weird that that would catch her eye. But being in their home, I can see exactly why that did catch her eye. And you know, the patterns of your parents, somebody that you know very very well are super important in cases like this because it helps us develop timelines. It helps us develop areas to look that we might not have otherwise looked at. You know, we had to we had to rule out that that that, you know, other muddy footprints within the house weren't the police that came in and did searching. So, you know, we photographed every officer that went in that house. We photographed all their all their shoe prints to make sure the other footprints that we found in there were not.

Artifacts of the police going on. Oh my goodness, Tom Green, as a whole other can of worms. A probative in other words, what if anything, does it prove a probative can of worms, Because when you do get your killer, and you will, you're going to have to rule out every other person that walked into that home, including jo Anne and her husband. Everybody's got to be ruled out on those on that mud and any footprints that were found crime stores. With Nancy Grace curious Tom Grain, Joanne tells us that the first of all, the sale reception was horrible in that area, but that the phone line, the landline, had been cut.

Artifacts of the police going on. Oh my goodness, Tom Green, as a whole other can of worms. A probative in other words, what if anything, does it prove a probative can of worms, Because when you do get your killer, and you will, you're going to have to rule out every other person that walked into that home, including jo Anne and her husband. Everybody's got to be ruled out on those on that mud and any footprints that were found crime stores. With Nancy Grace curious Tom Grain, Joanne tells us that the first of all, the sale reception was horrible in that area, but that the phone line, the landline, had been cut.

We had one other case that a phone line was cut here in Washoe County and all the murders that I looked at from nineteen sixty until the current time, and so it is a super unusual tactic for a killer to use, and somewhat risky in that area because a cut phone line could signal an alarm company that there's a problem at a house, and the alarms up there are are radio based, so there's a radio receiver close by that would receive such a cut phone line or low power alert.

We had one other case that a phone line was cut here in Washoe County and all the murders that I looked at from nineteen sixty until the current time, and so it is a super unusual tactic for a killer to use, and somewhat risky in that area because a cut phone line could signal an alarm company that there's a problem at a house, and the alarms up there are are radio based, so there's a radio receiver close by that would receive such a cut phone line or low power alert.

So it was a risk to cut those phone lines.

So it was a risk to cut those phone lines.

And that's one of the reasons that we feel that the Maslos were targeted This wasn't some random spree killer that happened across their house.

And that's one of the reasons that we feel that the Maslos were targeted This wasn't some random spree killer that happened across their house.

They were killed for a purpose. Curiosity. When are you saying that they had a burglar alarm system that was connected to the phone line, so when the line was cut, it should have alerted the alarm service. No, what I'm saying.

They were killed for a purpose. Curiosity. When are you saying that they had a burglar alarm system that was connected to the phone line, so when the line was cut, it should have alerted the alarm service. No, what I'm saying.

Yeah, they didn't have it set so, but my point is that a random killer in the neighborhood would assume that there's an alarm system based on the homes in that neighborhood, and so cutting the phone line would be a risk if you did not know certain things about the home.

Yeah, they didn't have it set so, but my point is that a random killer in the neighborhood would assume that there's an alarm system based on the homes in that neighborhood, and so cutting the phone line would be a risk if you did not know certain things about the home.

I mean, you don't know.

I mean, you don't know.

It could set off a local alarm, It could set off a siren on the house, right, You just don't know. Cutting a phone line is a risky business. But Tom Green, I agree with you. Guys. Tom is a former chief.

It could set off a local alarm, It could set off a siren on the house, right, You just don't know. Cutting a phone line is a risky business. But Tom Green, I agree with you. Guys. Tom is a former chief.

Deputy in the Wash County Sheriff's Office who worked this case as a detective. You're really giving criminals a lot of credit for them to know. Hey, if I cut the phone line, I may set off an alarm. But that said, you're completely right. So let me understand, Joanne. Did they have an alarm that wasn't set or did they not have a home alarm.

Deputy in the Wash County Sheriff's Office who worked this case as a detective. You're really giving criminals a lot of credit for them to know. Hey, if I cut the phone line, I may set off an alarm. But that said, you're completely right. So let me understand, Joanne. Did they have an alarm that wasn't set or did they not have a home alarm.

They had a home alarm, but it was not set. They tended to only set it when they left town, not when they were home. When I went into the house, the alarm was not set. I did not have to turn.

They had a home alarm, but it was not set. They tended to only set it when they left town, not when they were home. When I went into the house, the alarm was not set. I did not have to turn.

It off, Joanne. Was it comeon knowledge that your parents only turned on their alarm when they left or out of town.

It off, Joanne. Was it comeon knowledge that your parents only turned on their alarm when they left or out of town.

No, no one would have known that. Only their children would have known that, and probably only my sister and I would be aware of that.

No, no one would have known that. Only their children would have known that, and probably only my sister and I would be aware of that.

Bank to Tom Green joining us, who investigated the case as a detective. Tom, when you say the lines to the alarm were cut from outside from inside? What where were the alarms cut? Where was the line cut?

Bank to Tom Green joining us, who investigated the case as a detective. Tom, when you say the lines to the alarm were cut from outside from inside? What where were the alarms cut? Where was the line cut?

The lines come from underground, and there's a like a PVC tube that comes out of the ground that goes into the house and into the into the phone box. So both the phone line and the cable line were cut there. They're right next to each other, so I could see how that would happen. You just cut them both. And on top of that, we found mail DNA on the phone line in the same general area in which the phone line was cut, indicating that somebody probably touched DNA, held that while they cut it and left behind their DNA.

The lines come from underground, and there's a like a PVC tube that comes out of the ground that goes into the house and into the into the phone box. So both the phone line and the cable line were cut there. They're right next to each other, so I could see how that would happen. You just cut them both. And on top of that, we found mail DNA on the phone line in the same general area in which the phone line was cut, indicating that somebody probably touched DNA, held that while they cut it and left behind their DNA.

So you're telling me the phone line was cut from outside, yes, ma'am, and mail DNA was found on the wire that was cut. Is that correct, yes, ma'am.

So you're telling me the phone line was cut from outside, yes, ma'am, and mail DNA was found on the wire that was cut. Is that correct, yes, ma'am.

The Mussolo's home is quickly crawling with detectives from Washoke County Sheriff's Office. There's no sign of forced entry to the home and nothing of value is missing. Joanne Coles tells deputies her parents it's never hired any outside help and no one outside of family had intimate knowledge of the home. Investigators initial thought is that the Musalos are targeted, but no one has any idea why.

The Mussolo's home is quickly crawling with detectives from Washoke County Sheriff's Office. There's no sign of forced entry to the home and nothing of value is missing. Joanne Coles tells deputies her parents it's never hired any outside help and no one outside of family had intimate knowledge of the home. Investigators initial thought is that the Musalos are targeted, but no one has any idea why.

Joining me an all star panel to make sense of what we know. A beautiful, married couple murdered in their own home. Some believe experts believe it was a targeted attack. Joining me the All Star panel, led by Alexis teresschut Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter. We just heard no sign of forced entry, nothing of value missing. Is that correct, Alexis?

Joining me an all star panel to make sense of what we know. A beautiful, married couple murdered in their own home. Some believe experts believe it was a targeted attack. Joining me the All Star panel, led by Alexis teresschut Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter. We just heard no sign of forced entry, nothing of value missing. Is that correct, Alexis?

It is no.

It is no.

So there wasn't a broken window, the door wasn't broken. Those sliding glass doors are not broken open, and nothing really is missing.

So there wasn't a broken window, the door wasn't broken. Those sliding glass doors are not broken open, and nothing really is missing.

It wasn't.

It wasn't.

There wasn't a safe with thousands of dollars taken, not even a car, jewelry, nothing significant taken from this home. And what you did just say. They never had help come in from outside the home. They took care of the home themselves, So there wasn't somebody they could say, Oh, it was this person, this handyman that was always in the house, or this housekeeper's family, anything like. There was nobody that they can pinpoint as a suspect because nobody came in there except their family.

There wasn't a safe with thousands of dollars taken, not even a car, jewelry, nothing significant taken from this home. And what you did just say. They never had help come in from outside the home. They took care of the home themselves, So there wasn't somebody they could say, Oh, it was this person, this handyman that was always in the house, or this housekeeper's family, anything like. There was nobody that they can pinpoint as a suspect because nobody came in there except their family.

I'm still intrigued by the fact that the killer obviously cut the phone line outside. That takes a certain degree of planning and preparation to know where the line is to go cut it, to bring the instrument, the cutting instrument with you. I'm curious about the DNA, the male DNA left on that cable cord Tom Green. Was the DNA maintained? Is it still at the lab?

I'm still intrigued by the fact that the killer obviously cut the phone line outside. That takes a certain degree of planning and preparation to know where the line is to go cut it, to bring the instrument, the cutting instrument with you. I'm curious about the DNA, the male DNA left on that cable cord Tom Green. Was the DNA maintained? Is it still at the lab?

It is The reason we know it was contemporarious with the crime scene is it is a full thirteen low SI DNA. It's a strong profile. There's no question that was left contemporaneous to the cutting of the phone line. Based on whether the elements temperatures. All those kinds of things joining me.

It is The reason we know it was contemporarious with the crime scene is it is a full thirteen low SI DNA. It's a strong profile. There's no question that was left contemporaneous to the cutting of the phone line. Based on whether the elements temperatures. All those kinds of things joining me.

In addition to Joanne Cole's Tom Green and Alexis Tereschuk, Doctor Eric Asen certified a forensic pathologist and consultant Doctor Ason, thank you for being with us. Question, isn't it true that there is a procedure, very delicate procedure by which DNA can be replicated? In other words, you have a little DNA, you can turn it into more DNA enough to potentially put it through the familial DNA genetic genealogy database. It's called PCR, the polymerase chain reaction.

In addition to Joanne Cole's Tom Green and Alexis Tereschuk, Doctor Eric Asen certified a forensic pathologist and consultant Doctor Ason, thank you for being with us. Question, isn't it true that there is a procedure, very delicate procedure by which DNA can be replicated? In other words, you have a little DNA, you can turn it into more DNA enough to potentially put it through the familial DNA genetic genealogy database. It's called PCR, the polymerase chain reaction.

It got invented back in the early nineties when I was in college. I learned about it right in my last semester of a college, right before I started medical school. And all you need is just a small sample of DNA and you can run it through these reactions that utilize an enzyme that will just amplify all the DNA and you can make multiple copies of it and then run it through the genealogy, which is what I think is going to happen here. And so what will probably happen is that the tests will be run and we're probably going to find a sibling or a cousin or a distant cousin of the individual who left his DNA on the phone lines, and hopefully that can be used to figure out who this person was. It's something that was not around back in two thousand and six, but it is a recent development. That's what was used in the Brian Coburger case too.

It got invented back in the early nineties when I was in college. I learned about it right in my last semester of a college, right before I started medical school. And all you need is just a small sample of DNA and you can run it through these reactions that utilize an enzyme that will just amplify all the DNA and you can make multiple copies of it and then run it through the genealogy, which is what I think is going to happen here. And so what will probably happen is that the tests will be run and we're probably going to find a sibling or a cousin or a distant cousin of the individual who left his DNA on the phone lines, and hopefully that can be used to figure out who this person was. It's something that was not around back in two thousand and six, but it is a recent development. That's what was used in the Brian Coburger case too.

You know, I'm very curious to Joe Anne Coles who went in with her husband to discover the bodies of mom and dad. Are you familiar with any updates on the investigation? For instance, we very often consult with a lab called author Ram Labs, and their specialty is degenerated or compromised DNA or small amounts of DNA, and I'm wondering if this male DNA that, as Tom Green tells us, was left contemporaneously with the cutting of your parents phone line, has that been sent to an advanced lab to try to get a match.

You know, I'm very curious to Joe Anne Coles who went in with her husband to discover the bodies of mom and dad. Are you familiar with any updates on the investigation? For instance, we very often consult with a lab called author Ram Labs, and their specialty is degenerated or compromised DNA or small amounts of DNA, and I'm wondering if this male DNA that, as Tom Green tells us, was left contemporaneously with the cutting of your parents phone line, has that been sent to an advanced lab to try to get a match.

I've spoken to the head pathologist at the lab at Washoe County Sheriff's Office, and my understanding from her is that they have done as much as technology is able to to try and do a genealogical study on the DNA. We've reached out to a couple different labs that do that kind of work and put them in touch with Washa County, and my understanding is that there is not adequate DNA to do that.

I've spoken to the head pathologist at the lab at Washoe County Sheriff's Office, and my understanding from her is that they have done as much as technology is able to to try and do a genealogical study on the DNA. We've reached out to a couple different labs that do that kind of work and put them in touch with Washa County, and my understanding is that there is not adequate DNA to do that.

I'm curious, Joanne, if I could hook up off ram with the crime lab there in wash It absolutely be willing for them to try. Absolutely joining me is Karen Stark, aronoun psycholo, TV radio trauma expert at Karenstark dot com. That's Karen with a sea if you search for her Karen Stark. As the days go by, and the weeks go by, and the months go by, and it goes on and on and on, how do people deal with the fact that first their parents are murdered brutally and second no justice.

I'm curious, Joanne, if I could hook up off ram with the crime lab there in wash It absolutely be willing for them to try. Absolutely joining me is Karen Stark, aronoun psycholo, TV radio trauma expert at Karenstark dot com. That's Karen with a sea if you search for her Karen Stark. As the days go by, and the weeks go by, and the months go by, and it goes on and on and on, how do people deal with the fact that first their parents are murdered brutally and second no justice.

It's really heartbreaking because your parents are murdered, you have to deal with that shock and knowing that you won't see them again. And yet it wasn't a natural depth And here they are without any kind of a solution, and all these years have passed and it never gets resolved. She keeps trying to find out about it. She wants to know more. There's new DNA results, and yet she's still not getting an answer, So you are left with this huge hole of what happened to my parents? What will I ever know? Will I ever be able to get an answer to the death of them. It's just terrible, terrible.

It's really heartbreaking because your parents are murdered, you have to deal with that shock and knowing that you won't see them again. And yet it wasn't a natural depth And here they are without any kind of a solution, and all these years have passed and it never gets resolved. She keeps trying to find out about it. She wants to know more. There's new DNA results, and yet she's still not getting an answer, So you are left with this huge hole of what happened to my parents? What will I ever know? Will I ever be able to get an answer to the death of them. It's just terrible, terrible.

For what happened to Albert and Joan Maslow. Their daughter finds them dead in their own home, the phone line cut from the outside with mel DNA on that wire, mel DNA that as of tonight, has not been matched to anyone. Immediately people start the blame the victim game.

For what happened to Albert and Joan Maslow. Their daughter finds them dead in their own home, the phone line cut from the outside with mel DNA on that wire, mel DNA that as of tonight, has not been matched to anyone. Immediately people start the blame the victim game.

Listen, the Mussolos were not involved in any nefarious activities. They had no criminal history. You know, there's been rumors flowing around that they were in the Witness Protection programmer that they'd been involved with the mafia because they were from New York. Those are totally in substantial. We've vetted them thoroughly through the FBI.

Listen, the Mussolos were not involved in any nefarious activities. They had no criminal history. You know, there's been rumors flowing around that they were in the Witness Protection programmer that they'd been involved with the mafia because they were from New York. Those are totally in substantial. We've vetted them thoroughly through the FBI.

Witness Protection program, the mafia. That was from our friends over a KRNV news for Joanne. Rumors flying your parents were in the mafia or the witness protection That's insane, it's absurd.

Witness Protection program, the mafia. That was from our friends over a KRNV news for Joanne. Rumors flying your parents were in the mafia or the witness protection That's insane, it's absurd.

I think that in a situation like this, their neighbors were scared and it gave them some security To blame my parents, or to blame me and my husband just.

I think that in a situation like this, their neighbors were scared and it gave them some security To blame my parents, or to blame me and my husband just.

Thinking about your parents dying as they did and now that type of rumors. Nothing could be further from the truth. Listen.

Thinking about your parents dying as they did and now that type of rumors. Nothing could be further from the truth. Listen.

After thirty three years with pan Am, the Mussalos are quite comfortable after years of savvy investments and settle in Wild, Nevada. The couple is very active. They take daily walks and golf together. Albert enjoyce skiing while Joan prefers tennis. The grandparents spend most of their time together sharing a single link in town car. They continue to travel frequently to see their children.

After thirty three years with pan Am, the Mussalos are quite comfortable after years of savvy investments and settle in Wild, Nevada. The couple is very active. They take daily walks and golf together. Albert enjoyce skiing while Joan prefers tennis. The grandparents spend most of their time together sharing a single link in town car. They continue to travel frequently to see their children.

As they get older, Joan and Albert eventually decide to move closer to their daughter, joe Anne Coles and her family. The couple settles on the exclusive gated Montroux neighborhood in a rural area south of Reno. While the country club neighborhood boasts multimillion dollar houses, the Massalos move into one of the more modest homes on the block. They quickly make friends with neighbors on their daily walks using the public hiking trail bordering their home. Joan Massolo is known for hosting home cooked dinner parties and her immaculately kept home.

As they get older, Joan and Albert eventually decide to move closer to their daughter, joe Anne Coles and her family. The couple settles on the exclusive gated Montroux neighborhood in a rural area south of Reno. While the country club neighborhood boasts multimillion dollar houses, the Massalos move into one of the more modest homes on the block. They quickly make friends with neighbors on their daily walks using the public hiking trail bordering their home. Joan Massolo is known for hosting home cooked dinner parties and her immaculately kept home.

Joanne, how did your parents meet?

Joanne, how did your parents meet?

They both worked at the Gas and Electric Company in Brooklyn, New York, and that's where they met. They were both from Brooklyn.

They both worked at the Gas and Electric Company in Brooklyn, New York, and that's where they met. They were both from Brooklyn.

Tell me about your family. How many siblings?

Tell me about your family. How many siblings?

I have three siblings, I'm the third, two boys and two girls. They have seven grandchildren and now they have four great grandchildren. They have never met, Joanne.

I have three siblings, I'm the third, two boys and two girls. They have seven grandchildren and now they have four great grandchildren. They have never met, Joanne.

I know you may not like this question, but I have to ask. Tell me about any potential life insurance proceeds.

I know you may not like this question, but I have to ask. Tell me about any potential life insurance proceeds.

My dad did take out a life insurance policy, I think a couple of years before they died, and us four children were the beneficiaries, and the policy was for a million dollars.

My dad did take out a life insurance policy, I think a couple of years before they died, and us four children were the beneficiaries, and the policy was for a million dollars.

And Tom Green, I'm sure that you, as a detective, verified all the children's alibis correct.

And Tom Green, I'm sure that you, as a detective, verified all the children's alibis correct.

We did, of course. The family was the first, the first people we had to focus on, and I remember very clearly having that conversation with all four of them and explaining to them that before we can move out, we need to we need to, you know, rule them in or out immediately. And so that's what that's what we attempted to do. We did a deep dive into their finances, all of them, we saw nothing that that read flagged us at all.

We did, of course. The family was the first, the first people we had to focus on, and I remember very clearly having that conversation with all four of them and explaining to them that before we can move out, we need to we need to, you know, rule them in or out immediately. And so that's what that's what we attempted to do. We did a deep dive into their finances, all of them, we saw nothing that that read flagged us at all.

Alexa to us to that crime online dot Com invest to get every reporter. What was the cause of death of this couple?

Alexa to us to that crime online dot Com invest to get every reporter. What was the cause of death of this couple?

They were shot in multiple times to gunshot wounds. And the one piece of evidence that we haven't spoken about is they had ballistic evidence. So the bullets were found and this was a huge piece of evidence, but that has never matched with anything else.

They were shot in multiple times to gunshot wounds. And the one piece of evidence that we haven't spoken about is they had ballistic evidence. So the bullets were found and this was a huge piece of evidence, but that has never matched with anything else.

Tom Green, what type of weapon was used?

Tom Green, what type of weapon was used?

Well, that would be hold back information that we've held And just so your viewers understand, hold back information is critical to these kind of cases because if at some point we develop or they develop a suspect, it's going to be imperative that there are details that only the investigators and the perpetrator would know. And so that's one of the items that that we've held back. I released a lot of information, more information than some people thought I should have when I talked about the phone lines and the mud on the floor or and some of the other items. But you know, this case isn't getting any warmer.

Well, that would be hold back information that we've held And just so your viewers understand, hold back information is critical to these kind of cases because if at some point we develop or they develop a suspect, it's going to be imperative that there are details that only the investigators and the perpetrator would know. And so that's one of the items that that we've held back. I released a lot of information, more information than some people thought I should have when I talked about the phone lines and the mud on the floor or and some of the other items. But you know, this case isn't getting any warmer.

And you know, I.

And you know, I.

Saw them dead in their beds, I saw them at the funeral, and I saw their gravesites and I will see that until the day I take my last breath. So I hope, I hope that someone here's this information comes forward. Somebody knows something, somebody has a suspicion about someone being involved in this, and that's the tip that the police need to move this case forward.

Saw them dead in their beds, I saw them at the funeral, and I saw their gravesites and I will see that until the day I take my last breath. So I hope, I hope that someone here's this information comes forward. Somebody knows something, somebody has a suspicion about someone being involved in this, and that's the tip that the police need to move this case forward.

Let's piece it together, Tom Green. There is no sign a forced entry, nothing was taken from the home. This couple was involved in no sort of nefarious activity. All those ideas and rumors about them being a witness protection and tied to the mob, that's BS. It's exactly what Joe Anne said. It's people want to feel safe themselves and going, oh yeah, I right, they're in the witness protection that's all BS. None of that's true. This is a beautiful couple with children, grandchildren, asleep in bed in their home, and they were brutally murdered, multiple gunshot wounds on a couple parents, grandparents asleep in their own bed. I'm curious, Joanne, did those muddy footprints lead to any other room in the home.

Let's piece it together, Tom Green. There is no sign a forced entry, nothing was taken from the home. This couple was involved in no sort of nefarious activity. All those ideas and rumors about them being a witness protection and tied to the mob, that's BS. It's exactly what Joe Anne said. It's people want to feel safe themselves and going, oh yeah, I right, they're in the witness protection that's all BS. None of that's true. This is a beautiful couple with children, grandchildren, asleep in bed in their home, and they were brutally murdered, multiple gunshot wounds on a couple parents, grandparents asleep in their own bed. I'm curious, Joanne, did those muddy footprints lead to any other room in the home.

No, they were only in that one spot, in the kitchen or in the dining room. I didn't see any other mud. But to be honest, when I saw the first bit I stopped. I froze. I couldn't go any further.

No, they were only in that one spot, in the kitchen or in the dining room. I didn't see any other mud. But to be honest, when I saw the first bit I stopped. I froze. I couldn't go any further.

Tom, what about it, Tom Green? Did the muddy footprints go to any other area of the home.

Tom, what about it, Tom Green? Did the muddy footprints go to any other area of the home.

Yeah, So we obviously saw the same mud that Joanne saw, and we did what's called jel lifts, and those jeel lifts were sent to the FBI laboratory, who's really the best at doing footprint evidence, and they were inconclusive because it was basically ridge detail from the shoe print. There was mud on the carpeted stairs that went upstairs, but again we were not able to develop any kind of a footprint pattern, size, style, anything like that.

Yeah, So we obviously saw the same mud that Joanne saw, and we did what's called jel lifts, and those jeel lifts were sent to the FBI laboratory, who's really the best at doing footprint evidence, and they were inconclusive because it was basically ridge detail from the shoe print. There was mud on the carpeted stairs that went upstairs, but again we were not able to develop any kind of a footprint pattern, size, style, anything like that.

This is driving me crazy. We have DNA, we have muddy footprints, we have ballistics. Nothing is matching up in the DNA database. Nothing is matching up in the ballistics database. I don't understand it. And a lot of the fact that the phone was cut it almost is striking me as being a professional hit and I don't understand that. Also, we know that this was a private neighborhood Listen.

This is driving me crazy. We have DNA, we have muddy footprints, we have ballistics. Nothing is matching up in the DNA database. Nothing is matching up in the ballistics database. I don't understand it. And a lot of the fact that the phone was cut it almost is striking me as being a professional hit and I don't understand that. Also, we know that this was a private neighborhood Listen.

Montrose hoapes cover a large security team for the neighborhood. A security guard ANNs Montro's front gatehouse twenty four seven three sixty five and as service entrances man twelve hours a day, all visitors must provide identification to the security team and be approved by the homeowner for access to Montreal. Contract workers are even required to obtain entrance passes for each day they expect to be in and out of the neighborhood.

Montrose hoapes cover a large security team for the neighborhood. A security guard ANNs Montro's front gatehouse twenty four seven three sixty five and as service entrances man twelve hours a day, all visitors must provide identification to the security team and be approved by the homeowner for access to Montreal. Contract workers are even required to obtain entrance passes for each day they expect to be in and out of the neighborhood.

One thing that struck me about that, Alexis Tereschak, is that the service entrance is only manned twelve hours a day. Is that right? That is right?

One thing that struck me about that, Alexis Tereschak, is that the service entrance is only manned twelve hours a day. Is that right? That is right?

That because during the daytime, because they wouldn't expect to have service soaks come in in the middle.

That because during the daytime, because they wouldn't expect to have service soaks come in in the middle.

Of the night.

Of the night.

Usually that wouldn't be a thing that you would when you would have your dishwasher fixed or anything like that.

Usually that wouldn't be a thing that you would when you would have your dishwasher fixed or anything like that.

But they did.

But they did.

Track down that the path that they believe the person took, so they live in a wooded area behind them, and that the person went through like out their backyard and through an area and out into the woods. So that is where they feared they went in and out was through the wooded area behind their home.

Track down that the path that they believe the person took, so they live in a wooded area behind them, and that the person went through like out their backyard and through an area and out into the woods. So that is where they feared they went in and out was through the wooded area behind their home.

And how did you deduce that, Tom green Well, The way we deduce that is that it had rained significantly in the days preceding the murder.

And how did you deduce that, Tom green Well, The way we deduce that is that it had rained significantly in the days preceding the murder.

The night that Joanne drove to the home, it had started snowing. During the time that the murder occurred, it had not been snowing, it had been muddy and wet, and so the area that the perpetrator had a step to to cut the phone line was just a muddy dirt area. We found muddy footprints on the pavers. Once the snow melted, those same muddy footprints were tracked by.

The night that Joanne drove to the home, it had started snowing. During the time that the murder occurred, it had not been snowing, it had been muddy and wet, and so the area that the perpetrator had a step to to cut the phone line was just a muddy dirt area. We found muddy footprints on the pavers. Once the snow melted, those same muddy footprints were tracked by.

A man tracker.

A man tracker.

We actually had a man tracker come out and track those muddy footprints up and over the back fence that led to.

We actually had a man tracker come out and track those muddy footprints up and over the back fence that led to.

A walking path and a parking area off the Mount Rose Highway.

A walking path and a parking area off the Mount Rose Highway.

So we're pretty convinced that that's the route the person would have taken. It's also the route of it's the safest route for a perpetrator. You know, this is a higher risk event for them going into a gated community full of homes with alarms, security patrol that drives around, but that area was the safest, least risky.

So we're pretty convinced that that's the route the person would have taken. It's also the route of it's the safest route for a perpetrator. You know, this is a higher risk event for them going into a gated community full of homes with alarms, security patrol that drives around, but that area was the safest, least risky.

Area to enter from us from the back. When you try to determine what happened, you must look at establishing a timeline. You can't always deduce the time of the murder based on the condition of the body, such as body temperature. Very often you must look at extrinsic evidence, and they did just that. Listen.

Area to enter from us from the back. When you try to determine what happened, you must look at establishing a timeline. You can't always deduce the time of the murder based on the condition of the body, such as body temperature. Very often you must look at extrinsic evidence, and they did just that. Listen.

Investigators find March twenty seven's newspaper inside the home, and a furniture salesman says he met with the Mussalas around noon. Their computer shows Internet activity until late into the evening on the twenty seventh. Detectives theorized that the couple was attacked while they slept in the early morning hours of March twenty eighth. Investigators are stumped on how the perpetrator gained access to the home. Montrose Security Team reports that no one came through either gate around the estimated time of the murders.

Investigators find March twenty seven's newspaper inside the home, and a furniture salesman says he met with the Mussalas around noon. Their computer shows Internet activity until late into the evening on the twenty seventh. Detectives theorized that the couple was attacked while they slept in the early morning hours of March twenty eighth. Investigators are stumped on how the perpetrator gained access to the home. Montrose Security Team reports that no one came through either gate around the estimated time of the murders.

So the killer did not enter through the security gate, which corroborates Tom Green's theory as to the access and entrance to the home. I'm curious, Tom Green, have you ever considered, as we are considering in the Brian Coburger case where four beautiful young Idaho students were murdered in their beds, the possibility of a thrilled kill Because this couple has no background. They don't even have a traffic fine. For Pete's sake, they are loving grandparents who try to move closer to be to their children, all right, and they're murdered in their beds. Question why it's not. It's not a professional hit, all right by the mob. So could it be a thrill kill like that alleged in the Brian Coburger case.

So the killer did not enter through the security gate, which corroborates Tom Green's theory as to the access and entrance to the home. I'm curious, Tom Green, have you ever considered, as we are considering in the Brian Coburger case where four beautiful young Idaho students were murdered in their beds, the possibility of a thrilled kill Because this couple has no background. They don't even have a traffic fine. For Pete's sake, they are loving grandparents who try to move closer to be to their children, all right, and they're murdered in their beds. Question why it's not. It's not a professional hit, all right by the mob. So could it be a thrill kill like that alleged in the Brian Coburger case.

You know, it's definitely not out of the realm of possibility, and it's one of the things we looked at that look at.

You know, it's definitely not out of the realm of possibility, and it's one of the things we looked at that look at.

You know, you cannot rule out a.

You know, you cannot rule out a.

Thrill kill, a spree kill, and those are the scariest ones because they're the hardest to solve, and especially at that time, we didn't have the ability to dump a cell tower and figure out everybody this is in the neighborhood. You know, we didn't have a lot of those investigative techniques. So if it was somebody who had, you know, taken a fancy to these to these people and decided, you know what, I'm gonna kill them for no particular reason, it's gonna be a tough one to solve. It's going to be a tough one to solve unless they get caught for something else. And we get a DNA comparison.

Thrill kill, a spree kill, and those are the scariest ones because they're the hardest to solve, and especially at that time, we didn't have the ability to dump a cell tower and figure out everybody this is in the neighborhood. You know, we didn't have a lot of those investigative techniques. So if it was somebody who had, you know, taken a fancy to these to these people and decided, you know what, I'm gonna kill them for no particular reason, it's gonna be a tough one to solve. It's going to be a tough one to solve unless they get caught for something else. And we get a DNA comparison.

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While many try to write off the murders as a random attack or robbery. Investigators are convinced them as sallows we're targeted. Montro is not a neighborhood stumbled on by accident, and nothing of significance was founding from the couple's home. Detectives eventually reveal a chilling piece of evidence supporting their theory. The Masalo's phone lines were cut.

While many try to write off the murders as a random attack or robbery. Investigators are convinced them as sallows we're targeted. Montro is not a neighborhood stumbled on by accident, and nothing of significance was founding from the couple's home. Detectives eventually reveal a chilling piece of evidence supporting their theory. The Masalo's phone lines were cut.

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The since nineteen sixty, we've only had one other case where phone lines were cut, and that case bears no resemblance to this case at all. We think it tells us some things about the offender that it's quite probably the offender had prior knowledge of the home, possibly even knew the victims that this wasn't a random act that they were targeted.

The since nineteen sixty, we've only had one other case where phone lines were cut, and that case bears no resemblance to this case at all. We think it tells us some things about the offender that it's quite probably the offender had prior knowledge of the home, possibly even knew the victims that this wasn't a random act that they were targeted.

Joanne Coles is joining us. Joe Anne, what is your theory?

Joanne Coles is joining us. Joe Anne, what is your theory?

Given the information that's available and knowing my parents, I believe that they were the unintended targets. I've never thought of it being a thrill kill, because my thought would be if someone did that for thrill, they would do it to someone else with the same method and means. So my feeling has been that it's a professional hit and they have the wrong people.

Given the information that's available and knowing my parents, I believe that they were the unintended targets. I've never thought of it being a thrill kill, because my thought would be if someone did that for thrill, they would do it to someone else with the same method and means. So my feeling has been that it's a professional hit and they have the wrong people.

Is that possible, Tom Green, Well, I'm assuming it's possible, But you know, when we looked at that looked we've looked at this extensively because of other reporting of threats being received by another family within that same gated community. However, it becomes somewhat of a rabbit hole because the homes are so much different.

Is that possible, Tom Green, Well, I'm assuming it's possible, But you know, when we looked at that looked we've looked at this extensively because of other reporting of threats being received by another family within that same gated community. However, it becomes somewhat of a rabbit hole because the homes are so much different.

But it's clearly someone that knows that they have to come through the woods to get into the home. They know enough to cut the phone lines. It's clearly targeted. I think Jones' idea could be on point, But with that ballistics evidence, DNA evidence, footprint evidence, is very difficult for me to believe that we can't solve this case. Joe Anne, how has this affected your life?

But it's clearly someone that knows that they have to come through the woods to get into the home. They know enough to cut the phone lines. It's clearly targeted. I think Jones' idea could be on point, But with that ballistics evidence, DNA evidence, footprint evidence, is very difficult for me to believe that we can't solve this case. Joe Anne, how has this affected your life?

Sometimes you have an event in your life that happens and you look at life as before and after. Usually it's marriage or having children or grandchildren. For me, it's the death of my parents. It gives you a whole new perspective on life. You treasure relationships more and worry less about little things. It's very difficult. It's very difficult to live with the last eighteen and a half years in many ways have been just hell. I'm lucky to have my faith and that has helped me in many moments, but it's been tremendously difficult and difficult not only for me, but for my entire family, for my husband, for my siblings, for their families as well. It's been devastating.

Sometimes you have an event in your life that happens and you look at life as before and after. Usually it's marriage or having children or grandchildren. For me, it's the death of my parents. It gives you a whole new perspective on life. You treasure relationships more and worry less about little things. It's very difficult. It's very difficult to live with the last eighteen and a half years in many ways have been just hell. I'm lucky to have my faith and that has helped me in many moments, but it's been tremendously difficult and difficult not only for me, but for my entire family, for my husband, for my siblings, for their families as well. It's been devastating.

Tom Green, you study the footprints went off into the woods into a trail.

Tom Green, you study the footprints went off into the woods into a trail.

What was on the other end of that trail, Well, that trail actually crosses the Mount Rose Highway and it's a hiking trails, common hiking trails called the Gleena Creek Trail.

What was on the other end of that trail, Well, that trail actually crosses the Mount Rose Highway and it's a hiking trails, common hiking trails called the Gleena Creek Trail.

And a lot of people use it in biking, walking, dog walking.

And a lot of people use it in biking, walking, dog walking.

I would also note that we brought in the FBI pretty early on and asked their Behavioral Sciences unit to send out a team, and they did, and we met with that team, and they developed a neighborhood canvas questionnaire under the theory that somebody in the neighborhood may know something, and so we canvassed a lot of homes and we did a DNA dragnet where we DNA swabbed everybody that we could think of if they sat still long enough, and it would tolerate it.

I would also note that we brought in the FBI pretty early on and asked their Behavioral Sciences unit to send out a team, and they did, and we met with that team, and they developed a neighborhood canvas questionnaire under the theory that somebody in the neighborhood may know something, and so we canvassed a lot of homes and we did a DNA dragnet where we DNA swabbed everybody that we could think of if they sat still long enough, and it would tolerate it.

We swabbed them. Was another bedroom tampered with? We're not sure.

We swabbed them. Was another bedroom tampered with? We're not sure.

I will tell you this that there was a bed there was she's such a such a housekeeper that all of the beds, everything that wasn't used was covered with a sheet, and in the upstairs bedroom a sheet was pulled back as if somebody was potentially checking to see if someone else was in bed. That sheet was submitted to for evidence and testing was done on it. They were not able to get any kind of forensic results from that.

I will tell you this that there was a bed there was she's such a such a housekeeper that all of the beds, everything that wasn't used was covered with a sheet, and in the upstairs bedroom a sheet was pulled back as if somebody was potentially checking to see if someone else was in bed. That sheet was submitted to for evidence and testing was done on it. They were not able to get any kind of forensic results from that.

Doctor Ason, obviously, this is not a murder suicide. Could you explain how we know that? Number one, the gun's not there.

Doctor Ason, obviously, this is not a murder suicide. Could you explain how we know that? Number one, the gun's not there.

There was no gun found at the scene, and so if this was a situation where somebody shot the other individual then shot his or herself, there would still be a gun at the scene, and there was not. The other way to find out is during the actual autopsy. Both of them supposedly had multiple gunshot wounds, and so it would be as possible to commit suicide with multiple gunshot wounds, but it's usually going to be a single gunshot wound and the wound's going to be contact after the autopsies done, the death certificates would have been signed and the manner of death would have been homicide for both. And so if this was a homicide suicide situation, then one of the de certificates would.

There was no gun found at the scene, and so if this was a situation where somebody shot the other individual then shot his or herself, there would still be a gun at the scene, and there was not. The other way to find out is during the actual autopsy. Both of them supposedly had multiple gunshot wounds, and so it would be as possible to commit suicide with multiple gunshot wounds, but it's usually going to be a single gunshot wound and the wound's going to be contact after the autopsies done, the death certificates would have been signed and the manner of death would have been homicide for both. And so if this was a homicide suicide situation, then one of the de certificates would.

Have said suicide. That's not what we had.

Have said suicide. That's not what we had.

And those are the main reasons why this is not consistent with a homicide suicide. It's a double homicide.

And those are the main reasons why this is not consistent with a homicide suicide. It's a double homicide.

Washok County Sheriff's believe new tips hold the answer to the question of who killed Joan and Albert Massalo. Sergeant Urban West says the key must lie outside of the seventeen binders of evidence in the case, as too many good investigators have poured over it to have missed something. Detectives are asking the public to look back and try to remember if anyone made odd comments or had a noticeable shift in behavior after that fateful, frosty March night.

Washok County Sheriff's believe new tips hold the answer to the question of who killed Joan and Albert Massalo. Sergeant Urban West says the key must lie outside of the seventeen binders of evidence in the case, as too many good investigators have poured over it to have missed something. Detectives are asking the public to look back and try to remember if anyone made odd comments or had a noticeable shift in behavior after that fateful, frosty March night.

We continue to sporadically get pseudo witness tips that may point to us in the direction, and we immediately follow up on every lead.

We continue to sporadically get pseudo witness tips that may point to us in the direction, and we immediately follow up on every lead.

It is my hope that I will know what happened before or I leave this earth, and I certainly don't want my children or my nieces and nephews to face the killer after I'm gone, and I hope that someone will come forward with whatever information they have, no matter how small, no matter how much it may seem insignificant, to help us to solve this.

It is my hope that I will know what happened before or I leave this earth, and I certainly don't want my children or my nieces and nephews to face the killer after I'm gone, and I hope that someone will come forward with whatever information they have, no matter how small, no matter how much it may seem insignificant, to help us to solve this.

I think it's really important, first of all, to go along with what Joe ansaid, which is help this family to get some answers because they have lived with this for too long, and obviously Tom has as well. Nobody wants to die not understanding what happened to your parents or your grandparents.

I think it's really important, first of all, to go along with what Joe ansaid, which is help this family to get some answers because they have lived with this for too long, and obviously Tom has as well. Nobody wants to die not understanding what happened to your parents or your grandparents.

Someone somewhere knows something. They may not.

Someone somewhere knows something. They may not.

They may not have the knowing that you're one hundred percent positive, but you have an inkling, you have a suspicion, you have a feeling, and that's all we need. The police need a nudge in the right direction, and the science will do the rest of it. Just a nudge, and that's what That's what I hope for. And as far as what Joanne said, if Joanne leaves this earth before I do, I will persist and I will be there. I don't care if I'm eighty five years old, even though I already look eighty five. I will be there to see this. Whoever this, whoever did this, go through a trial and have justice served. So you know, it seems like yesterday that I sat in Johanne's living room had a family meeting about this case. And I can't believe it's been eighteen and a half years. Wow.

They may not have the knowing that you're one hundred percent positive, but you have an inkling, you have a suspicion, you have a feeling, and that's all we need. The police need a nudge in the right direction, and the science will do the rest of it. Just a nudge, and that's what That's what I hope for. And as far as what Joanne said, if Joanne leaves this earth before I do, I will persist and I will be there. I don't care if I'm eighty five years old, even though I already look eighty five. I will be there to see this. Whoever this, whoever did this, go through a trial and have justice served. So you know, it seems like yesterday that I sat in Johanne's living room had a family meeting about this case. And I can't believe it's been eighteen and a half years. Wow.

If you know or think you know anything about the brutal murders these two beautiful people, Albert and Joan Masamo, please we asked that you call seven seven five three two eight thirty three twenty repeat seven seven five three two eight thirty three twenty Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,

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