Crime Stories with Nancy Greece, a beautiful young woman suffering, suffering, horribly suffering with cancer.

Crime Stories with Nancy Greece, a beautiful young woman suffering, suffering, horribly suffering with cancer.

We watch from her blog as she.

We watch from her blog as she.

Goes completely bald and becomes weaker and weaker and weaker, fighting the deadly disease.

Goes completely bald and becomes weaker and weaker and weaker, fighting the deadly disease.

Or was she?

Or was she?

I'm Nancy Grece. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at vaccination in Sirius xem one eleven. Who is Amanda?

I'm Nancy Grece. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at vaccination in Sirius xem one eleven. Who is Amanda?

Listen?

Listen?

Amanda's blogs weren't just filled with words. There were hundreds of heart wrenching and wore intimate pictures detailing her journey from copious vials of blood take and for testing, to step by step photos of a hair falling out.

Amanda's blogs weren't just filled with words. There were hundreds of heart wrenching and wore intimate pictures detailing her journey from copious vials of blood take and for testing, to step by step photos of a hair falling out.

Amanda Riley A M A N D A R I L E Y.

Amanda Riley A M A N D A R I L E Y.

I work on the campaign for lu cumulan Phoma Society, and I'm also a Stage four refractory blood cancer patient.

I work on the campaign for lu cumulan Phoma Society, and I'm also a Stage four refractory blood cancer patient.

Amanda, then twenty seven, had just given birth to her first child. Amanda's blog posts are read by actor Kendall Horn.

Amanda, then twenty seven, had just given birth to her first child. Amanda's blog posts are read by actor Kendall Horn.

Before I was pregnant, they diagnosed me with lupus. The diagnosed has stuck for quite a while. After Carter, our son was born, my blood counts dropped so dramatically that it threw another flag.

Before I was pregnant, they diagnosed me with lupus. The diagnosed has stuck for quite a while. After Carter, our son was born, my blood counts dropped so dramatically that it threw another flag.

It's hard to imagine what it's like for Amanda, the joy of becoming a mother rudely interrupted by some heart wrenching news her life will never be the same again.

It's hard to imagine what it's like for Amanda, the joy of becoming a mother rudely interrupted by some heart wrenching news her life will never be the same again.

After a vat of tests, I was diagnosed with hodgkinslim Filmer.

After a vat of tests, I was diagnosed with hodgkinslim Filmer.

Joining me an ostar panel to make sense of what we know right now this young woman, a brand new mom, now diagnosed with Hodgkins lymphoma.

Joining me an ostar panel to make sense of what we know right now this young woman, a brand new mom, now diagnosed with Hodgkins lymphoma.

Literally tens of thousands.

Literally tens of thousands.

Of people around the world were spill bound, drawn to amanda story, seemingly.

Of people around the world were spill bound, drawn to amanda story, seemingly.

Like no other, as she battles Hodgkins. Listen.

Like no other, as she battles Hodgkins. Listen.

A brand new blog popped up on a website called blog spot. The homepage heading was simple, my story, Our journey. A post appeared, what the heck is Hodgkins Lympoma?

A brand new blog popped up on a website called blog spot. The homepage heading was simple, my story, Our journey. A post appeared, what the heck is Hodgkins Lympoma?

My goal with this blog is to not only keep friends and family in the loop, but serve as a resource to all those newly diagnosed. Doctors don't provide great detailed information, and the Internet is not your friend when you're diagnosed with the disease. I have Hodgkins lymphoma, and it's been quite the journey to figure it out.

My goal with this blog is to not only keep friends and family in the loop, but serve as a resource to all those newly diagnosed. Doctors don't provide great detailed information, and the Internet is not your friend when you're diagnosed with the disease. I have Hodgkins lymphoma, and it's been quite the journey to figure it out.

The author c Riley so you're hearing more and more about her and about her horrible battle with Hodgkin's lymphoma. You're hearing the voice of Charlie Webster, who is joining us right now. But first I'm going to go to a special guest joining me, Karen Stark, renowned psychologist out of Manhattan. You can find her at Karenstark dot com. That's Karen with a Sea, but also cancer survivor, Karen. If you could just try, and I've never asked you this, to summarize your battle, what you went through battling cancer, the ups and the downs and the heartbreaks and the seemingly never ending battle that you have suffered and fought so valiantly.

The author c Riley so you're hearing more and more about her and about her horrible battle with Hodgkin's lymphoma. You're hearing the voice of Charlie Webster, who is joining us right now. But first I'm going to go to a special guest joining me, Karen Stark, renowned psychologist out of Manhattan. You can find her at Karenstark dot com. That's Karen with a Sea, but also cancer survivor, Karen. If you could just try, and I've never asked you this, to summarize your battle, what you went through battling cancer, the ups and the downs and the heartbreaks and the seemingly never ending battle that you have suffered and fought so valiantly.

What was it like, Nancy.

What was it like, Nancy.

It's so hard to describe because I think about you, you just don't imagine it happening. And I think for everybody, the idea of cancer without having a cure really is the most frightening thing. And then you find out that this is happening to you and it just seems surreal. You go through, you take drugs, whatever you need to do, and for me personally, five years later, I discovered that the cancer had returned and it was worse, and then I needed to go through chemotherapy. And you're dealing with your mortality. You know the fact that you love life. You don't want to be sick, you want to be healthy and have a good quality And it is the most frightening, overwhelming situation to be in. At least it was in my life as I battle this disease.

It's so hard to describe because I think about you, you just don't imagine it happening. And I think for everybody, the idea of cancer without having a cure really is the most frightening thing. And then you find out that this is happening to you and it just seems surreal. You go through, you take drugs, whatever you need to do, and for me personally, five years later, I discovered that the cancer had returned and it was worse, and then I needed to go through chemotherapy. And you're dealing with your mortality. You know the fact that you love life. You don't want to be sick, you want to be healthy and have a good quality And it is the most frightening, overwhelming situation to be in. At least it was in my life as I battle this disease.

As tens of thousands tune in to Amanda's blogs for every development, suddenly they go cold.

As tens of thousands tune in to Amanda's blogs for every development, suddenly they go cold.

Listen.

Listen.

I was invited to attend the Look Good, Feel Better Seminar by the American Cancer Society.

I was invited to attend the Look Good, Feel Better Seminar by the American Cancer Society.

It was so cool.

It was so cool.

I was among other women undergoing chemo. Best part, we got a huge goodieback of makeup Chanelle Avon, Bobby Brown, Clinique mac sde Later, scarves, hats, and two wigs. I got a natural brown wig. But I will also be a Irocan platinum bland. Why because I can? And then she stopped.

I was among other women undergoing chemo. Best part, we got a huge goodieback of makeup Chanelle Avon, Bobby Brown, Clinique mac sde Later, scarves, hats, and two wigs. I got a natural brown wig. But I will also be a Irocan platinum bland. Why because I can? And then she stopped.

After posting regular updates about her cancer journey, the blog goes dark. Six months go by with no posts, no pictures, nothing, not a word, until out of nowhere, a brand new post appears alongside photos of Amanda and her family celebrating in party hats, with some amazing news.

After posting regular updates about her cancer journey, the blog goes dark. Six months go by with no posts, no pictures, nothing, not a word, until out of nowhere, a brand new post appears alongside photos of Amanda and her family celebrating in party hats, with some amazing news.

Screw you cancer, I win twelve months of testing, eight months of chemotherapy, and today is my day of bliss.

Screw you cancer, I win twelve months of testing, eight months of chemotherapy, and today is my day of bliss.

We won, but tragically there was a relapse. Listen.

We won, but tragically there was a relapse. Listen.

Stephanie was extremely well connected in the country music business. She actually knew Leanne Rhymes as steel player, and she contacted about getting Amanda backstage to meet Leanne.

Stephanie was extremely well connected in the country music business. She actually knew Leanne Rhymes as steel player, and she contacted about getting Amanda backstage to meet Leanne.

Now, Leanne Rhymes has joined Tima Amanda. Stephanie surprised me by taking both Corey and I to the concert. We got to meet her. I was pretty starstruck, but tried to keep my cool. She was so nice and down to earth. Afterwards we got to watch her perform with the symphony. It was beautiful and pure magic. I think my jaw was on the floor most of the night. After the concert, her wonderful steel player escorted us to her dressing room, where she so kindly as signed.

Now, Leanne Rhymes has joined Tima Amanda. Stephanie surprised me by taking both Corey and I to the concert. We got to meet her. I was pretty starstruck, but tried to keep my cool. She was so nice and down to earth. Afterwards we got to watch her perform with the symphony. It was beautiful and pure magic. I think my jaw was on the floor most of the night. After the concert, her wonderful steel player escorted us to her dressing room, where she so kindly as signed.

But then out of the blue, there seems to be a bump in the road, a fly in the ointment.

But then out of the blue, there seems to be a bump in the road, a fly in the ointment.

So to speak. Listen to our cut seven Charlie Webster.

So to speak. Listen to our cut seven Charlie Webster.

Maybe a couple years into her blog, it was removed for a time. She kind of removed herself for a time.

Maybe a couple years into her blog, it was removed for a time. She kind of removed herself for a time.

The blog would be up for a long time, and then she would shut it down, and then she would open up the blog again with the new post, and then she would shut it down like nobody could see it.

The blog would be up for a long time, and then she would shut it down, and then she would open up the blog again with the new post, and then she would shut it down like nobody could see it.

And what I had heard happened is that she was being sued for faking cancer.

And what I had heard happened is that she was being sued for faking cancer.

Lindsay Wilder Amanda's friend from church.

Lindsay Wilder Amanda's friend from church.

But it was a whole mix up because there was someone else named Amanda Riley who died from cancer.

But it was a whole mix up because there was someone else named Amanda Riley who died from cancer.

Okay, in my world, there is no coincidence. But could it pop possibly be that there are two beautiful young women named Amanda Riley that are both battling deadly cancer.

Okay, in my world, there is no coincidence. But could it pop possibly be that there are two beautiful young women named Amanda Riley that are both battling deadly cancer.

That's quite a coincidence. You know.

That's quite a coincidence. You know.

I mentioned that you were hearing the voice of Charlie Webster, but I didn't mention that Charlie is the host of Scamanda scam Anda Scamanda.

I mentioned that you were hearing the voice of Charlie Webster, but I didn't mention that Charlie is the host of Scamanda scam Anda Scamanda.

Time Stories with Nancy.

Time Stories with Nancy.

Grace Charlie Webster, award winning journalists and broadcaster at Lionsgate.

Grace Charlie Webster, award winning journalists and broadcaster at Lionsgate.

You can find Charlie at Charlie Webster dot com.

You can find Charlie at Charlie Webster dot com.

Is with us also special guest Nancy Moscatello, investigative producerep of Scamanda, whose Martinez former detective who worked this case. That should give you a big tip off about Amanda Riley. And last, but certainly not least, Lindsey Wilder, former church member who donated so much plasma to save Amanda's life, the plasma bank cut her off for safety reasons.

Is with us also special guest Nancy Moscatello, investigative producerep of Scamanda, whose Martinez former detective who worked this case. That should give you a big tip off about Amanda Riley. And last, but certainly not least, Lindsey Wilder, former church member who donated so much plasma to save Amanda's life, the plasma bank cut her off for safety reasons.

You know you hear a last call like at a bar.

You know you hear a last call like at a bar.

That's what they did to Lindsay. Last call woman. No more donating for Amanda Riley. You've maxed out. She donated so much of her own plasma.

That's what they did to Lindsay. Last call woman. No more donating for Amanda Riley. You've maxed out. She donated so much of her own plasma.

The plasma Bank cut her off.

The plasma Bank cut her off.

First of all, to Charlie Webster, Scamanda, amazing.

First of all, to Charlie Webster, Scamanda, amazing.

Start at the beginning. Everybody jump in. You feel like it.

Start at the beginning. Everybody jump in. You feel like it.

This is not he Ti at Winsor Castle with the new King Charles and consort Queen Camilla.

This is not he Ti at Winsor Castle with the new King Charles and consort Queen Camilla.

Let it go. Charlie Webster, Oh my stars.

Let it go. Charlie Webster, Oh my stars.

First of all, I can't wait to hear how you came up with the idea of Scamander.

First of all, I can't wait to hear how you came up with the idea of Scamander.

But just tell me Amanda Riley's story.

But just tell me Amanda Riley's story.

How much does she scam I understand about one hundred and five thousand dollars.

How much does she scam I understand about one hundred and five thousand dollars.

Yeah, and Nanda, I love the way you did that, and thank you for kind of doing this scam It's amazing. Honestly, it took us so much to go back and forth on that title, whether we felt it was right. Nancy and I had so many conversations about that.

Yeah, and Nanda, I love the way you did that, and thank you for kind of doing this scam It's amazing. Honestly, it took us so much to go back and forth on that title, whether we felt it was right. Nancy and I had so many conversations about that.

She did scam.

She did scam.

Over one hundred thousand dollars worth of people's money, but it was small increments of money, and this was only what was found. I'm giving some clues away here, but I'm sure Detective Martinez will this is only to do with what was sent over the Why is so the money that people gave in cash?

Over one hundred thousand dollars worth of people's money, but it was small increments of money, and this was only what was found. I'm giving some clues away here, but I'm sure Detective Martinez will this is only to do with what was sent over the Why is so the money that people gave in cash?

Oh my stars, waiting a minute, I'm drinking from the fire hydrant.

Oh my stars, waiting a minute, I'm drinking from the fire hydrant.

Charlie Wester.

Charlie Wester.

You've just given me so much information that once I'm trying to take it in.

You've just given me so much information that once I'm trying to take it in.

So let me understand.

So let me understand.

So you're saying you said it was over one hundred thousand dollars, but it was in small increments.

So you're saying you said it was over one hundred thousand dollars, but it was in small increments.

Let me tell you something.

Let me tell you something.

Twenty five dollars to one person is like two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to another person, so.

Twenty five dollars to one person is like two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to another person, so.

Exactly, you know, that's straight out of the Bible. Remember, all of the rich members.

Exactly, you know, that's straight out of the Bible. Remember, all of the rich members.

Of all the rich members of the temple were giving huge amounts of money, and the widow came forward with the mite, and she was the one that was blessed, not them. So you know when you say it's a small donation, twenty five dollars, one hundred dollars to some.

Of all the rich members of the temple were giving huge amounts of money, and the widow came forward with the mite, and she was the one that was blessed, not them. So you know when you say it's a small donation, twenty five dollars, one hundred dollars to some.

People is more than they can afford to do.

People is more than they can afford to do.

Yeah, I'm thinking about another thing you just said, Charlie Webster, that one hundred. I think it's one hundred and five, five hundred and thirteen dollars. It's what we know because it was wire like credit cards, and I'm PayPal Venmo. So there's probably the Lord only knows how much more out there that she's skimmed.

Yeah, I'm thinking about another thing you just said, Charlie Webster, that one hundred. I think it's one hundred and five, five hundred and thirteen dollars. It's what we know because it was wire like credit cards, and I'm PayPal Venmo. So there's probably the Lord only knows how much more out there that she's skimmed.

First of all, did she have Hodgkins?

First of all, did she have Hodgkins?

No.

No.

One thing I want to point out is you make such an amazing point, Nancy, because there was so many people, as you mentioned about Lindsey, that gave their own selves, their own emotions, their own energy, their time, services, Like people donated food and so she could eat and her family could eat, and it wasn't just about the money.

One thing I want to point out is you make such an amazing point, Nancy, because there was so many people, as you mentioned about Lindsey, that gave their own selves, their own emotions, their own energy, their time, services, Like people donated food and so she could eat and her family could eat, and it wasn't just about the money.

But no, she didn't.

But no, she didn't.

Okay, no, wait a minute, you just really struck a chord hold on. Charlie Webster and Nancy Moscatello and Jose Martinez Kieren Stark.

Okay, no, wait a minute, you just really struck a chord hold on. Charlie Webster and Nancy Moscatello and Jose Martinez Kieren Stark.

Of course, don't be shy, but.

Of course, don't be shy, but.

Lindsey Wilder is joining us who donates so much Plasid the woman they cut her off at the plasma bank.

Lindsey Wilder is joining us who donates so much Plasid the woman they cut her off at the plasma bank.

I call myself a castlerole.

I call myself a castlerole.

Christian because when you don't where I come from, when you don't know what to do for somebody, you make him a casserole. You make him a whole meal, the rules, the dessert, the dinner, the salad, the flowers, the blah blah, and you take it to them and you leave it with them. You don't even make them come to the door. You take it and you and you leave.

Christian because when you don't where I come from, when you don't know what to do for somebody, you make him a casserole. You make him a whole meal, the rules, the dessert, the dinner, the salad, the flowers, the blah blah, and you take it to them and you leave it with them. You don't even make them come to the door. You take it and you and you leave.

That's what I call being a casserole Christian.

That's what I call being a casserole Christian.

And I stood in that kitchen many a time making something I didn't know what else to do. I don't think that's going to get me into heaven, but I'm going to keep trying. Here, you were giving your plasma to this woman. You have to tell me the whole thing.

And I stood in that kitchen many a time making something I didn't know what else to do. I don't think that's going to get me into heaven, but I'm going to keep trying. Here, you were giving your plasma to this woman. You have to tell me the whole thing.

Absolutely. So I knew that I didn't have much to go financially. I knew one thing I had was a high plasma plate that counts. So I devoted myself every week going to the Red Cross. Along with me, I brought a magnet given to me by Amanda that said A Team Amanda on it. Every single time I went to donate. I think I did fifty four that year. I held the magnet and I told everybody in the room about my friend Amanda ce Riley dying from cancer.

Absolutely. So I knew that I didn't have much to go financially. I knew one thing I had was a high plasma plate that counts. So I devoted myself every week going to the Red Cross. Along with me, I brought a magnet given to me by Amanda that said A Team Amanda on it. Every single time I went to donate. I think I did fifty four that year. I held the magnet and I told everybody in the room about my friend Amanda ce Riley dying from cancer.

Okay, I'm just letting that soak in. You know, it's like a fine wine.

Okay, I'm just letting that soak in. You know, it's like a fine wine.

I've uncorked it, poured it into a glass, and now I'm just like it's wafting in the air.

I've uncorked it, poured it into a glass, and now I'm just like it's wafting in the air.

How did you meet this woman? Oh?

How did you meet this woman? Oh?

My gosh, So I was very very close with Amanda's best friend. Her best friend brought me to the church where I met Amanda. And when I met her, she had already been suffering from cancer. Allegedly she had a beanie on and underneath she had very very short hair. I remember this moment very well now, and oh gosh, I remember her being bubbly. I remember thinking how strong she was.

My gosh, So I was very very close with Amanda's best friend. Her best friend brought me to the church where I met Amanda. And when I met her, she had already been suffering from cancer. Allegedly she had a beanie on and underneath she had very very short hair. I remember this moment very well now, and oh gosh, I remember her being bubbly. I remember thinking how strong she was.

Okay, she was show because she's perfectly healthy, right.

Okay, she was show because she's perfectly healthy, right.

She was so Lindsay, wasn't She was so influential though in the church, Nancy. She was like a celebrity in the local church.

She was so Lindsay, wasn't She was so influential though in the church, Nancy. She was like a celebrity in the local church.

What church was this?

What church was this?

This was Family Community Church in Santaose, South Santose. It was a very large church.

This was Family Community Church in Santaose, South Santose. It was a very large church.

Oh these poor people, oh yeah, that have unwillingly been part of this scam. So you made her, you're impressed with her, and you decide to start giving your own plasma.

Oh these poor people, oh yeah, that have unwillingly been part of this scam. So you made her, you're impressed with her, and you decide to start giving your own plasma.

You know, I did what I could. I really did. Being really close with her best friend means that I felt like I had a little bit more information than anyone else. And at this time, her best friend and I. Every single Tuesday, that's when the church service was that we attended together, we would sit in her card and we would pray for Amanda. We would pray that she would see her children and graduate from high school, that she would make it through all kinds of things, tears all the time, just doing whatever we could.

You know, I did what I could. I really did. Being really close with her best friend means that I felt like I had a little bit more information than anyone else. And at this time, her best friend and I. Every single Tuesday, that's when the church service was that we attended together, we would sit in her card and we would pray for Amanda. We would pray that she would see her children and graduate from high school, that she would make it through all kinds of things, tears all the time, just doing whatever we could.

To do something.

To do something.

What could we do but pray for her recovery and her children, her poor children.

What could we do but pray for her recovery and her children, her poor children.

And literally give your blood, sweat and tears, your plasma, sweat and tears. Okay, I'm just thinking about that, And to me, that's a real affront because I believe that prayer changes things, and there are so many people, children, other people suffering in the world that need not only our prayers, but our acts, our action doing something. And you did all of that, Lindsey Wilder, did you hear Nancy Muscatelli joining me producer and co EP of Scamanda.

And literally give your blood, sweat and tears, your plasma, sweat and tears. Okay, I'm just thinking about that, And to me, that's a real affront because I believe that prayer changes things, and there are so many people, children, other people suffering in the world that need not only our prayers, but our acts, our action doing something. And you did all of that, Lindsey Wilder, did you hear Nancy Muscatelli joining me producer and co EP of Scamanda.

Guys, we are talking.

Guys, we are talking.

To the executive co executive producer of Scamanda. It is an eight episode limited podcast series Scamanda, available on Apple Spotify. iHeart everywhere as it should be, and I do not want to dissuade anyone from helping another person less fortunate than we are. But this woman needs to go to jail badly. I don't know that she can ever pay back restitution for what she did, but it's going to make people in the future think twice before they try to help another person who's battling a disease.

To the executive co executive producer of Scamanda. It is an eight episode limited podcast series Scamanda, available on Apple Spotify. iHeart everywhere as it should be, and I do not want to dissuade anyone from helping another person less fortunate than we are. But this woman needs to go to jail badly. I don't know that she can ever pay back restitution for what she did, but it's going to make people in the future think twice before they try to help another person who's battling a disease.

Nancy Moscatello is joining us. Nancy, how did you get involved with this?

Nancy Moscatello is joining us. Nancy, how did you get involved with this?

Yeah?

Yeah?

I got involved. I've been working in true crime and investigative pieces for over twenty five years, and at this point in my career, I was looking for different stories and cases for a project I was working on, and had reached out to different groups and organizations just saying, hey, here's who I am, here's here's what I do. You know, anyone has any leads or people they want me to look into, just you know, let me know here, here's my information. And yeah, that's not uncommon. You know when you're looking for stories and stuff. And I got an anonymous, anonymous email and they said, uh, you know there's a woman. This is who she is. Here's some links to her her blog. And you know, this person was adamant. This person does not have cancer. I think what they're doing is appalling, and can you help, can you do anything?

I got involved. I've been working in true crime and investigative pieces for over twenty five years, and at this point in my career, I was looking for different stories and cases for a project I was working on, and had reached out to different groups and organizations just saying, hey, here's who I am, here's here's what I do. You know, anyone has any leads or people they want me to look into, just you know, let me know here, here's my information. And yeah, that's not uncommon. You know when you're looking for stories and stuff. And I got an anonymous, anonymous email and they said, uh, you know there's a woman. This is who she is. Here's some links to her her blog. And you know, this person was adamant. This person does not have cancer. I think what they're doing is appalling, and can you help, can you do anything?

So somebody knew it was a scam and they tipped you off.

So somebody knew it was a scam and they tipped you off.

Yes, well, well they felt the it did, right, Yeah, I think they did. Yeah, they got they felt that Amanda was manipulating people. And you know what's funny and Nancy, when Nancy Moscatello first spoke to me and we we were I was not quite convinced. I actually questioned Nancy at your time and I sat there, we did these blogs and looking at these photo there's somebody in hospital having chemo and years worth those blogs, and I said to Nancy, are you are you sure? I was another person that questioned, questioned Nancy in her I don't know, in her kind of plight to try and bring this to just it.

Yes, well, well they felt the it did, right, Yeah, I think they did. Yeah, they got they felt that Amanda was manipulating people. And you know what's funny and Nancy, when Nancy Moscatello first spoke to me and we we were I was not quite convinced. I actually questioned Nancy at your time and I sat there, we did these blogs and looking at these photo there's somebody in hospital having chemo and years worth those blogs, and I said to Nancy, are you are you sure? I was another person that questioned, questioned Nancy in her I don't know, in her kind of plight to try and bring this to just it.

So you actually thought, hey, this woman really does have cancer.

So you actually thought, hey, this woman really does have cancer.

And initially, okay, you got to tell me about the pictures, tell me about the pictures Nancy Muscatello, the pictures of this woman that were so convincing.

And initially, okay, you got to tell me about the pictures, tell me about the pictures Nancy Muscatello, the pictures of this woman that were so convincing.

What are they?

What are they?

So when when I first when I first got tipped, you have to know that Amanda was she already had three years worth of blogs up. So she started blogging in twenty twelve and I was tipped to it in twenty fifteen. So there was three years of just heart wrenching words, photos, proof that she was dying and that she had Hutchinson foma. You know, there was everything from multiple doctors, pictures of facilities, traveling back and forth to New York emergency room, pictures, bald heads, crying tears, family gatherings, like everything you would expect. I myself lost my sister to cancer. She had two young children at the time, so.

So when when I first when I first got tipped, you have to know that Amanda was she already had three years worth of blogs up. So she started blogging in twenty twelve and I was tipped to it in twenty fifteen. So there was three years of just heart wrenching words, photos, proof that she was dying and that she had Hutchinson foma. You know, there was everything from multiple doctors, pictures of facilities, traveling back and forth to New York emergency room, pictures, bald heads, crying tears, family gatherings, like everything you would expect. I myself lost my sister to cancer. She had two young children at the time, so.

It was very.

It was very.

Relatable to me, and what I was looking at looked like what I had been through with my own family. So, you know, my source with adamant I kept going back and forth with them. We talked quite a bit, and I knew where they were coming from, and there was some key things that you know, I could keep in the back of my mind like, Okay, I see all this, but the facts that I'm being told are very very solid, So how is this possible that she's dying right or that she has cancer? So it was a lot of back and forth, and then three years worth of blogs gave me a lot to start working with and fact checking. And I think, like you, you know many producers who it's arger, it's tedious, but you do it. And I broke down those first three years speaking to experts I knew from years and years of producing, and saying, hey, what do you think of this? How would I fact check this? What would I do with this?

Relatable to me, and what I was looking at looked like what I had been through with my own family. So, you know, my source with adamant I kept going back and forth with them. We talked quite a bit, and I knew where they were coming from, and there was some key things that you know, I could keep in the back of my mind like, Okay, I see all this, but the facts that I'm being told are very very solid, So how is this possible that she's dying right or that she has cancer? So it was a lot of back and forth, and then three years worth of blogs gave me a lot to start working with and fact checking. And I think, like you, you know many producers who it's arger, it's tedious, but you do it. And I broke down those first three years speaking to experts I knew from years and years of producing, and saying, hey, what do you think of this? How would I fact check this? What would I do with this?

Well, you just brought up something really interesting I had thought of.

Well, you just brought up something really interesting I had thought of.

I mean, I know how to try a murder case or how to investigate a case and prove it to a jury. But if somebody says I have Hodgkins, yeah, and then I'm told no, they don't, how do you start disproving that and talk about the long game, talk about the end go. I mean already when you come into it, she's been blogging and stealing from people for three years and dragging her family along with her, and I've got to wonder did her family.

I mean, I know how to try a murder case or how to investigate a case and prove it to a jury. But if somebody says I have Hodgkins, yeah, and then I'm told no, they don't, how do you start disproving that and talk about the long game, talk about the end go. I mean already when you come into it, she's been blogging and stealing from people for three years and dragging her family along with her, and I've got to wonder did her family.

Know the truth.

Know the truth.

Guys, I want you to take a listen to our cut eight from Scamander.

Guys, I want you to take a listen to our cut eight from Scamander.

Listen, and there was another Amanda Riley, a seventeen year old girl who lost her life to cancer in twenty ten, two years before our Amanda Riley first started her blog. To add to the confusion, a foundation was started in the name of the deceased Amanda Riley.

Listen, and there was another Amanda Riley, a seventeen year old girl who lost her life to cancer in twenty ten, two years before our Amanda Riley first started her blog. To add to the confusion, a foundation was started in the name of the deceased Amanda Riley.

And so the idea was that, oh, it was a mix up. Then she was back in the game Terminal Miracle.

And so the idea was that, oh, it was a mix up. Then she was back in the game Terminal Miracle.

The cancer relapsed into my lung. The doctors were unsure if it was a whole new cancer in and of itself due to the ridiculously high amounts of chemo Terminal Miracle.

The cancer relapsed into my lung. The doctors were unsure if it was a whole new cancer in and of itself due to the ridiculously high amounts of chemo Terminal Miracle.

Terminal Miracle.

Terminal Miracle.

Wow, that is quite a coincidence, isn't it. Jose Martinez, high profile detective who worked the case.

Wow, that is quite a coincidence, isn't it. Jose Martinez, high profile detective who worked the case.

Jose, what was your experience in this? How did you get pulled into it?

Jose, what was your experience in this? How did you get pulled into it?

Well?

Well?

I had received a number of calls from Nancy who introduced me to the idea of the case and what she had been looking into.

I had received a number of calls from Nancy who introduced me to the idea of the case and what she had been looking into.

And like you, I sat there and thought about how would I prove that somebody doesn't have an illness? And so Nancy was very precious. At the time, I was working a lot of cases and just like anything else, is a squeaky wheel, you know, gets the attention. So I entertained it for a little bit, and she provided me with the numbers of pages and pages of blogs, uh that were related to this Miss Riley, and so I started reading into him, and just like Nancy had been reading into him. And so then I sat back after Gosh, I'm not sure how many months had passed as Nancy was was calling me to put my attention on this, but I had been reading the blogs that she sent me, and I looked at the photos of Miss Riley, and then I went to the church and sat in church. I thought, wow, this is this is on a large scale. I'd never been to that church and it was just a really huge community.

And like you, I sat there and thought about how would I prove that somebody doesn't have an illness? And so Nancy was very precious. At the time, I was working a lot of cases and just like anything else, is a squeaky wheel, you know, gets the attention. So I entertained it for a little bit, and she provided me with the numbers of pages and pages of blogs, uh that were related to this Miss Riley, and so I started reading into him, and just like Nancy had been reading into him. And so then I sat back after Gosh, I'm not sure how many months had passed as Nancy was was calling me to put my attention on this, but I had been reading the blogs that she sent me, and I looked at the photos of Miss Riley, and then I went to the church and sat in church. I thought, wow, this is this is on a large scale. I'd never been to that church and it was just a really huge community.

Okay, now whoa wait, wait, I want to hear about that.

Okay, now whoa wait, wait, I want to hear about that.

Yeah, so Nancy calls you start reading all the blogs, three years worth of blogs, I mean, talked about the long game again, trying to get money, getting money, And there's no telling how much she got. We only know of one hundred and five through wire like you know, PayPal or Venmo or or credit card. We was somebody jumping into just then.

Yeah, so Nancy calls you start reading all the blogs, three years worth of blogs, I mean, talked about the long game again, trying to get money, getting money, And there's no telling how much she got. We only know of one hundred and five through wire like you know, PayPal or Venmo or or credit card. We was somebody jumping into just then.

What I was going to say is when when I contacted Hose I know it's unusual for you know, a producer television, you know, to turn to the police, and that just I guess what I'm trying to explain is I was so appalled and it was so out of hand in my opinion, that I was like, screw the story. She needs to stop, like somebody needs to stop her. And I kind of put aside mile to mcgold at the time because I just thought, what is what she's doing is this community is so unreal that I just couldn't fathom letting her continue. So I thought, you know, hey, I you know, local police, let me start there. They'll take you know, this will be easy. She you know, they'll get hold of her and she'll stop. And so, you know, making that initial contact with Jose is out of character for you know, a producer of television, viewser you know, working a story, working a case, and so but I just thought it was that important and I am incredibly thankful that he he heard me.

What I was going to say is when when I contacted Hose I know it's unusual for you know, a producer television, you know, to turn to the police, and that just I guess what I'm trying to explain is I was so appalled and it was so out of hand in my opinion, that I was like, screw the story. She needs to stop, like somebody needs to stop her. And I kind of put aside mile to mcgold at the time because I just thought, what is what she's doing is this community is so unreal that I just couldn't fathom letting her continue. So I thought, you know, hey, I you know, local police, let me start there. They'll take you know, this will be easy. She you know, they'll get hold of her and she'll stop. And so, you know, making that initial contact with Jose is out of character for you know, a producer of television, viewser you know, working a story, working a case, and so but I just thought it was that important and I am incredibly thankful that he he heard me.

So, Jose, I want to go back to you going to that church, the family community church there, and I believe you said, San Jose, and that is when it hit you to what a laarge scale the scam is and I'm telling you, guys, if we know of one hundred and five thousand she took from people, plus blood, plus plasma, plus food, plus objects, plus leand rhymes and this and that and that and this, I mean it's a huge scam. Yeah, this woman is a one woman wrecking crew.

So, Jose, I want to go back to you going to that church, the family community church there, and I believe you said, San Jose, and that is when it hit you to what a laarge scale the scam is and I'm telling you, guys, if we know of one hundred and five thousand she took from people, plus blood, plus plasma, plus food, plus objects, plus leand rhymes and this and that and that and this, I mean it's a huge scam. Yeah, this woman is a one woman wrecking crew.

So, Hose, when did it hit you?

So, Hose, when did it hit you?

This is a lot bigger than what we originally thought.

This is a lot bigger than what we originally thought.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So the church size interdefinitely had an effect as to the scale of what it was going to be because initially I knew that as soon as I opened the door to it, I was not going to be in the in the favor of anybody who was supporting on Miss Riley.

So the church size interdefinitely had an effect as to the scale of what it was going to be because initially I knew that as soon as I opened the door to it, I was not going to be in the in the favor of anybody who was supporting on Miss Riley.

Hey, you were right. Your instincts were right, because listen to this.

Hey, you were right. Your instincts were right, because listen to this.

We now know that this person, Amanda Riley, had convinced her family she had cancer and went so far is to actually sue someone that questioned her diagnosis. Yeah, she sued somebody for saying, you don't have cancer. You're stealing from people in the name of being a cancer victim, which you were not.

We now know that this person, Amanda Riley, had convinced her family she had cancer and went so far is to actually sue someone that questioned her diagnosis. Yeah, she sued somebody for saying, you don't have cancer. You're stealing from people in the name of being a cancer victim, which you were not.

She sued them. Jose.

She sued them. Jose.

Oh yeah, And the thing is is that you know, I when I really sat back and looked at it and I thought, what would be the perfect crime having an illness? You know, what's what makes it a perfect crime? On those and and the fact that the hippologues that protect patient confidentiality uh is a protection for her. It became the core of what was to be because it protected her from anyone questioning her. Who's going to go to her doctor and which doctor is going to say, you know, you know, give personal information about somebody's illness to anybody, especially in the investigator or anybody outside of that. Nobody is going to do that. And that's what I found that, you know, nobody wants to talk, nobody wants to be in violation of that particular law.

Oh yeah, And the thing is is that you know, I when I really sat back and looked at it and I thought, what would be the perfect crime having an illness? You know, what's what makes it a perfect crime? On those and and the fact that the hippologues that protect patient confidentiality uh is a protection for her. It became the core of what was to be because it protected her from anyone questioning her. Who's going to go to her doctor and which doctor is going to say, you know, you know, give personal information about somebody's illness to anybody, especially in the investigator or anybody outside of that. Nobody is going to do that. And that's what I found that, you know, nobody wants to talk, nobody wants to be in violation of that particular law.

Well, I mean there's also the moral problem. There's a moral problem, Lindsay Wilder. Not only is there hippa who protect patient confidentiality and patient information who wants to go up to a cancer patient and give them a hard time? We worked in comfort them and help them. I mean, Lindsay Wilder, how did you find out you were scammed out of your own plasma?

Well, I mean there's also the moral problem. There's a moral problem, Lindsay Wilder. Not only is there hippa who protect patient confidentiality and patient information who wants to go up to a cancer patient and give them a hard time? We worked in comfort them and help them. I mean, Lindsay Wilder, how did you find out you were scammed out of your own plasma?

Oh my goodness, I don't even know where to start, but I will tell you right away. I still believed her for a period of time, I was under the impression I saw this with my own eyes. I saw her pass out. I saw her pee your pants.

Oh my goodness, I don't even know where to start, but I will tell you right away. I still believed her for a period of time, I was under the impression I saw this with my own eyes. I saw her pass out. I saw her pee your pants.

Okay, can I get back to the as you say, pee her pants part?

Okay, can I get back to the as you say, pee her pants part?

Okay? What yeah?

Okay? What yeah?

I mean, I hope you are writing all this down quickly. Well, well, so she had a fake fainting spell and fake Peter pants.

I mean, I hope you are writing all this down quickly. Well, well, so she had a fake fainting spell and fake Peter pants.

Well, she did peer pants and she did faint. And that's why she was so convincing. That's how she managed to do something like this is to use something that you would never imagine anybody using to be able to manipulate someone because cancer, like Karen said earlier, touch so many of our life. But she did Peter pants, and she did faint, and she did do all these things. I'm billing to just came for her. Nancy. Yeah, So that's what was so convincing. It wasn't like she faded like she did go to hospital. She did sit there looking like she had temos. She did go to all these different trials and hospitals and take pictures.

Well, she did peer pants and she did faint. And that's why she was so convincing. That's how she managed to do something like this is to use something that you would never imagine anybody using to be able to manipulate someone because cancer, like Karen said earlier, touch so many of our life. But she did Peter pants, and she did faint, and she did do all these things. I'm billing to just came for her. Nancy. Yeah, So that's what was so convincing. It wasn't like she faded like she did go to hospital. She did sit there looking like she had temos. She did go to all these different trials and hospitals and take pictures.

But how does she pull that off? I don't get it, first of all, with it.

But how does she pull that off? I don't get it, first of all, with it.

My question is how does she You go in a hospital and you convince them to hook you up to monitors and stuff.

My question is how does she You go in a hospital and you convince them to hook you up to monitors and stuff.

I don't know how you would do that.

I don't know how you would do that.

I mean, when I try to write a check at the grocery store, I get the third degree. So how do you walk into a hospital and convince them to just hook you up and take all these pictures?

I mean, when I try to write a check at the grocery store, I get the third degree. So how do you walk into a hospital and convince them to just hook you up and take all these pictures?

That's a question.

That's a question.

But wait, Lindsey Wilder, I want to hear about the paying the pants part.

But wait, Lindsey Wilder, I want to hear about the paying the pants part.

Oh yeah, I remember it. So while I was actually sitting next to her, so she started feeling very hot, she said, and she said, I need to go get a drink of water. She got up from next to us, she walked to the back of the church and she hit the floor. At that point is when she peter pants. And I will tell you every single person in the congregation, and I have to tell you there were one hundreds started praying for her in that moment. Whatever sermon was happening stopped entirely. The pastor got off the stage and circled around her praying over her. And that, I kid you not, is the first time in my life I prayed.

Oh yeah, I remember it. So while I was actually sitting next to her, so she started feeling very hot, she said, and she said, I need to go get a drink of water. She got up from next to us, she walked to the back of the church and she hit the floor. At that point is when she peter pants. And I will tell you every single person in the congregation, and I have to tell you there were one hundreds started praying for her in that moment. Whatever sermon was happening stopped entirely. The pastor got off the stage and circled around her praying over her. And that, I kid you not, is the first time in my life I prayed.

And let me give you a perspective. This is the other Nancy hit me because as someone why and reading the blog in real time, as this is unfolding because by now I'm I'm hooked and I'm following. Peeing her pants and blogging about it was her go to. So it happened in church, it happened where she worked, It happened in the park with her kids for some reason. She fainted and peede her pants and blogged about it several times over and each time hot needed water. If you ask me, I'm convinced that was water and not paid. But that's me because that's what I So there's a game with Amanda, and unless you are looking at it through completely different lenses, that's how Amanda did it. So that's and so you know she was dedicated and she was good at it.

And let me give you a perspective. This is the other Nancy hit me because as someone why and reading the blog in real time, as this is unfolding because by now I'm I'm hooked and I'm following. Peeing her pants and blogging about it was her go to. So it happened in church, it happened where she worked, It happened in the park with her kids for some reason. She fainted and peede her pants and blogged about it several times over and each time hot needed water. If you ask me, I'm convinced that was water and not paid. But that's me because that's what I So there's a game with Amanda, and unless you are looking at it through completely different lenses, that's how Amanda did it. So that's and so you know she was dedicated and she was good at it.

How do you go at a hospital? Jose Martinez Time Stories with Nancy Grace.

How do you go at a hospital? Jose Martinez Time Stories with Nancy Grace.

Guys, we are talking to Charlie West, her host of Scamanda, to Nancy Moscatela, the investigative producer co EP of Scamanda. Whose Martinez, the detective who worked this case probably still having nightmares about it. Lindsay Wilder, who gotten cut off at the Plasma Bank for donating so much Plaza to save this woman's life. Karen Start, renowned psychologist out of Manhattan and cancer survivor. I mean just the thought of this woman using cancer survivors, cancer warriors like Karen Stark, using my friend Karen, start to get money and this one hundred grand that's a tip of the iceberg. You've got Lindsey Wilder laid out on a gurney giving plasma to this woman. So Lindsey, I'm just trying to take in how she faked it all.

Guys, we are talking to Charlie West, her host of Scamanda, to Nancy Moscatela, the investigative producer co EP of Scamanda. Whose Martinez, the detective who worked this case probably still having nightmares about it. Lindsay Wilder, who gotten cut off at the Plasma Bank for donating so much Plaza to save this woman's life. Karen Start, renowned psychologist out of Manhattan and cancer survivor. I mean just the thought of this woman using cancer survivors, cancer warriors like Karen Stark, using my friend Karen, start to get money and this one hundred grand that's a tip of the iceberg. You've got Lindsey Wilder laid out on a gurney giving plasma to this woman. So Lindsey, I'm just trying to take in how she faked it all.

But what I know get J Jose.

But what I know get J Jose.

Martinez, is how do you go to a hospital and convince them to hook you up so you can take pictures for your blog.

Martinez, is how do you go to a hospital and convince them to hook you up so you can take pictures for your blog.

Well, if you look at the pictures, you have to ask yourself what am I really looking at? So when you look at the pictures, like there's pictures of her in a hallway or with the beanie cap on and then a little oxygen tube that ghosts into your nose and around your ears, But there's nothing in the hallway.

Well, if you look at the pictures, you have to ask yourself what am I really looking at? So when you look at the pictures, like there's pictures of her in a hallway or with the beanie cap on and then a little oxygen tube that ghosts into your nose and around your ears, But there's nothing in the hallway.

It's empty.

It's empty.

So I'm not really seeing anything that convinces me that she's really hooked up to something. It's the appearance of it, and that's what she's selling in those pictures, is the appearance, the shaved head, all the things that we relate to the illness, well especially this illness. She's she's doing the checkboxes and people are believing just what they see and then they're believing this based on the superficial picture but not really knowing. And the whole, the whole question that I kept getting from all the hospitals that I call is why would somebody fake cancer? And so that on top of just the images, nobody's questioning it. So that is you know, that's again, that's part of the whole scam.

So I'm not really seeing anything that convinces me that she's really hooked up to something. It's the appearance of it, and that's what she's selling in those pictures, is the appearance, the shaved head, all the things that we relate to the illness, well especially this illness. She's she's doing the checkboxes and people are believing just what they see and then they're believing this based on the superficial picture but not really knowing. And the whole, the whole question that I kept getting from all the hospitals that I call is why would somebody fake cancer? And so that on top of just the images, nobody's questioning it. So that is you know, that's again, that's part of the whole scam.

Wow, I'm just trying to take the whole thing. And guys take a listen now.

Wow, I'm just trying to take the whole thing. And guys take a listen now.

Cut eleven from our friends of Crime online dot com.

Cut eleven from our friends of Crime online dot com.

A former teacher and principal who courageously fought her battle with cancer, using her blog and social media to detail all of her ups and downs. She shared how expensive the cancer bella could be and sought donations from anyone who could help. She claimed to have support from major celebrities like Lenne Rhymes. Well, well, now it seems it was all a scam. Amanda c Riley never had cancer. Never. She didn't use the money to pay for cancer treatment, but she did use it to help pay living expenses. Federal prosecutors and the irs claim. Riley received four hundred and forty seven online donations totally over sixty thousand dollars through her support Amanda Page alone. Thousands more was raised by volunteers who organized fundraisers like chili cookoff contest, Facebook challenge and auctioning off on eBay autograph guitars by LeAnn Rimes and Alan Jackson.

A former teacher and principal who courageously fought her battle with cancer, using her blog and social media to detail all of her ups and downs. She shared how expensive the cancer bella could be and sought donations from anyone who could help. She claimed to have support from major celebrities like Lenne Rhymes. Well, well, now it seems it was all a scam. Amanda c Riley never had cancer. Never. She didn't use the money to pay for cancer treatment, but she did use it to help pay living expenses. Federal prosecutors and the irs claim. Riley received four hundred and forty seven online donations totally over sixty thousand dollars through her support Amanda Page alone. Thousands more was raised by volunteers who organized fundraisers like chili cookoff contest, Facebook challenge and auctioning off on eBay autograph guitars by LeAnn Rimes and Alan Jackson.

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Okay, whoa white a minute? Whoa wait? White white white.

White, Charlie Webster, she got Lianne Rimes to donate guitars Alan Jackson, Chili cookoffs.

White, Charlie Webster, she got Lianne Rimes to donate guitars Alan Jackson, Chili cookoffs.

This is a lot. This is a lot bigger than one hundred grand.

This is a lot. This is a lot bigger than one hundred grand.

Yeah, it's so much bigger. And like you said, it's people preys. This is this is what's so fascinating about this this podcast, commander is And the whole point we used her, I used her blogs throughout and got an actress to read them is is you almost become convinced when you're listening to it, even though you know she's lying. And it was so there's so many twists and turns. I mean Nancy, who originally was through an anonymous Thaws, was told about Amanda a long time ago, years years. Nancy has been trying to pursue her in a personal way. It did become personal because Amanda tried to get a subpoena against Nancy and actually strung it out for months and months, tried to discredit Nancy. Took us a chord, she used her own. She basically also used fam to break a family up by using her cancer. So she actually took Oh, it's so awful her husband's daughter off her mother by using her cancer to manipulate people Nancy. I was even in touch with Amanda fairly recently, and she thought that I was hired by Nancy to try and get at her. And she's still not taking that accountability and responsibility. But the thing about her is she's so nice. It's kind of weird.

Yeah, it's so much bigger. And like you said, it's people preys. This is this is what's so fascinating about this this podcast, commander is And the whole point we used her, I used her blogs throughout and got an actress to read them is is you almost become convinced when you're listening to it, even though you know she's lying. And it was so there's so many twists and turns. I mean Nancy, who originally was through an anonymous Thaws, was told about Amanda a long time ago, years years. Nancy has been trying to pursue her in a personal way. It did become personal because Amanda tried to get a subpoena against Nancy and actually strung it out for months and months, tried to discredit Nancy. Took us a chord, she used her own. She basically also used fam to break a family up by using her cancer. So she actually took Oh, it's so awful her husband's daughter off her mother by using her cancer to manipulate people Nancy. I was even in touch with Amanda fairly recently, and she thought that I was hired by Nancy to try and get at her. And she's still not taking that accountability and responsibility. But the thing about her is she's so nice. It's kind of weird.

She's so cute.

She's so cute.

She's like so perlite and so lovely and so empathetic, and you kind of get drawn in. And we have this perception that criminals are these kind of big, bad monsters and rah scary people, but she was so kind and lovely, and that's how she infiltrated and abused so many people. And it's that kind of violation of not just the money or the castle roles, as you said, or the chili, cook goss, the time, the energy. But it's that violation, is that sense of sell us on the abuse of trust. But honestly, it's unbelievably convincing.

She's like so perlite and so lovely and so empathetic, and you kind of get drawn in. And we have this perception that criminals are these kind of big, bad monsters and rah scary people, but she was so kind and lovely, and that's how she infiltrated and abused so many people. And it's that kind of violation of not just the money or the castle roles, as you said, or the chili, cook goss, the time, the energy. But it's that violation, is that sense of sell us on the abuse of trust. But honestly, it's unbelievably convincing.

I'm trying to figure out who can tell me about her family? I mean, she has children who are going to grow up to say, yeah, my mom faked cancer and raked in like what one, two, three hundred thousand dollars? Yeah, I mean we only know about the credit card or the electronic donations. We don't know about the hundreds of thousands of dollars and man hours put into trying to help her.

I'm trying to figure out who can tell me about her family? I mean, she has children who are going to grow up to say, yeah, my mom faked cancer and raked in like what one, two, three hundred thousand dollars? Yeah, I mean we only know about the credit card or the electronic donations. We don't know about the hundreds of thousands of dollars and man hours put into trying to help her.

Charlie and Nancy. Did her family believe her?

Charlie and Nancy. Did her family believe her?

And what were you saying about taking a daughter away and breaking up the family?

And what were you saying about taking a daughter away and breaking up the family?

Yeah?

Yeah?

If I could speak to that, So, yeah, go on.

If I could speak to that, So, yeah, go on.

To one of the first things I did when you know, learning about Amanda in the situation. During that tip, I pulled. I looked for court cases. I looked for anything I could to see who is Amanda Ryley?

To one of the first things I did when you know, learning about Amanda in the situation. During that tip, I pulled. I looked for court cases. I looked for anything I could to see who is Amanda Ryley?

What is she about?

What is she about?

And one of the there was two court cases, a bankruptcy court case for her and her husband, Corey Riley, and then custody case with Corey Riley and his one of his ex his ex wife, Alita. So the one of the very first things I did, as I called, I reached out to Alita Burnelle Riley and just hey, here's who I am, very vague, very like I see court papers, I'm kind of pre interviewing. I'm looking at Amanda. And at that point, Amanda's support system wanted her on the Ellen Show and this show and please somebody help her help this mom who's dying. So there was a lot of attention for her to get more attention. Right, So when I spoke with this this ex wife, she said, well, I have nothing nice to say about those Amanda Riley and Corey Riley, but you know, and I would never but I would never say anything because she's dying with cancer and you know that is my daughter's stepmother. And I said, well, you know what's going on. So basically they were in a court, a custody battle. Everything in that custody battle, the papers filed, we late had a hook that mister Riley's wife was dying with cancer and the medical bills were so astronomical and this ex wife was so out of control and such a horrible person that they should have custody of this young girl.

And one of the there was two court cases, a bankruptcy court case for her and her husband, Corey Riley, and then custody case with Corey Riley and his one of his ex his ex wife, Alita. So the one of the very first things I did, as I called, I reached out to Alita Burnelle Riley and just hey, here's who I am, very vague, very like I see court papers, I'm kind of pre interviewing. I'm looking at Amanda. And at that point, Amanda's support system wanted her on the Ellen Show and this show and please somebody help her help this mom who's dying. So there was a lot of attention for her to get more attention. Right, So when I spoke with this this ex wife, she said, well, I have nothing nice to say about those Amanda Riley and Corey Riley, but you know, and I would never but I would never say anything because she's dying with cancer and you know that is my daughter's stepmother. And I said, well, you know what's going on. So basically they were in a court, a custody battle. Everything in that custody battle, the papers filed, we late had a hook that mister Riley's wife was dying with cancer and the medical bills were so astronomical and this ex wife was so out of control and such a horrible person that they should have custody of this young girl.

So basically they attacked the bio mom, yeah, and say she shouldn't have custody because correct the stepmom, Amanda Riley's dying of cancer.

So basically they attacked the bio mom, yeah, and say she shouldn't have custody because correct the stepmom, Amanda Riley's dying of cancer.

Yeah, well not only dying, but you know, this mom was unfit according to Amanda and Corey, right, So there was a lot of manipulation in that course. So this woman was in the battle of her life to keep her daughter and they want, you know, they took custody away for a year and a half. And at that point is when I came into Alida's life.

Yeah, well not only dying, but you know, this mom was unfit according to Amanda and Corey, right, So there was a lot of manipulation in that course. So this woman was in the battle of her life to keep her daughter and they want, you know, they took custody away for a year and a half. And at that point is when I came into Alida's life.

I can't believe they got her study of the daughter, and the daughter probably believed the whole thing hook line and sink her.

I can't believe they got her study of the daughter, and the daughter probably believed the whole thing hook line and sink her.

Oh where is she now? Where's the daughter?

Oh where is she now? Where's the daughter?

The daughter now is? And I think it's really important to say this. She does really struggle, and she's a wonderful young woman, but she does struggle from what's happened because this was her the majority of her life. She was manipulated by this woman under her own ruth, even to the point where her and the two sons of biological sons of Amanda and Corey were told that they might potentially have to donate their donate plasma or their organs because she was dying. It was it wasn't just kind of to the outside of the community. They did emotionally damage the children.

The daughter now is? And I think it's really important to say this. She does really struggle, and she's a wonderful young woman, but she does struggle from what's happened because this was her the majority of her life. She was manipulated by this woman under her own ruth, even to the point where her and the two sons of biological sons of Amanda and Corey were told that they might potentially have to donate their donate plasma or their organs because she was dying. It was it wasn't just kind of to the outside of the community. They did emotionally damage the children.

And is the bio daughter back with her by a mom?

And is the bio daughter back with her by a mom?

Yes she is.

Yes she is.

Yeah, Oh yeah, guess.

Yeah, Oh yeah, guess.

This is so much worse than I thought. It was just scamming money. And then I find out about Lindsey Wilder and she stole her plasma like a vampire. You know, Karen Stark, I've just got to hear your take a cancer warrior. And Karen, how long have you been battling cancer? I feel like sometimes it's as long as I can remember.

This is so much worse than I thought. It was just scamming money. And then I find out about Lindsey Wilder and she stole her plasma like a vampire. You know, Karen Stark, I've just got to hear your take a cancer warrior. And Karen, how long have you been battling cancer? I feel like sometimes it's as long as I can remember.

It was ten years, Nancy, it was a whole decade. And yeah, now I'm much better. I'm fine right now.

It was ten years, Nancy, it was a whole decade. And yeah, now I'm much better. I'm fine right now.

Prank God.

Prank God.

It was a long journey. And when I'm listening to all this is a psychologist, I have to say I'm not surprised at all because someone who is a psychopath, who who's able to con people notoriously charming, wonderful, hard to believe. And if you take a personality like that and you add an illness that no one would ever think somebody would.

It was a long journey. And when I'm listening to all this is a psychologist, I have to say I'm not surprised at all because someone who is a psychopath, who who's able to con people notoriously charming, wonderful, hard to believe. And if you take a personality like that and you add an illness that no one would ever think somebody would.

Con them about, who would ever come up.

Con them about, who would ever come up.

With something about cancer, and so I am not the least bit surprised that she was able to convince everybody.

With something about cancer, and so I am not the least bit surprised that she was able to convince everybody.

So what I.

So what I.

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Think, Karen, what you have been through, what you have suffered, What you have endured over and over and over again for ten years, Karen Stark, and this woman makes a mockery of that, using her own children to punish them, to torture them, to further her scam Guys, it is all in Scamanda, eight episode limited podcast series that has just dropped. New chapters drop by the week. Scamanda available on every podcast platform, Apple, Spotify. iHeart all of them. You have to hear Scamanda. You know, every day I think, well I've heard it all, but I can truly say that today, after hearing them out about Amanda Riley, I feel like I've heard it all that nothing is going to talk this woman, Scamanda. It's happening now. To everyone, Thank you for being with us. Goodbye friends,