MOM DRAINS POND HERSELF WITH SUMP PUMP TO FIND MURDERED SON WHEN SHERIFFS REFUSE

Published Oct 7, 2022, 5:00 PM

Edward Goodwin went missing in June 2015. For more than two years, his family didn't know what happened to their son. Eventually, witnesses say Goodwin had been beaten to death, his body dumped into a pond. 

The sheriff’s department partially drained the pond and found human hip bones, a femur bone, and some ribs. Edward Goodwin's body had been found, but the rest of his body was never recovered. This is despite assurances from law enforcement that the recovery would happen.

After waiting for authorities to act, Connie Goodwin, Edward's mom, took it upon herself to get her son back. The Goodwins rented a sump pump to drain the pond themselves.

As they started pumping the water out, bones could be seen sticking up through the water. The coroner was called and Edward Goodwin came home.   

Joining Nancy Grace Today:

  • Ed Goodwin - Victim's Father
  • Connie Goodwin - Victim's Mother
  • Jim Elliott - Of Counsel, Butler Snow LLP, www.butlersnow.com; Instagram: JimElliott1957
  • Sheryl McCollum - Forensic Expert; Founder: Cold Case Investigative Research Institute in Atlanta, GA,; ColdCaseCrimes.org; @ColdCaseTips 
  • Jim Akers - Coroner, Butler County, (Poplar Bluff, MO); Medicolegal Death Investigator; Instructor: Missouri Coroners and Medical Examiner's Association, Academy Instructor, Missouri Sheriff's Association Training Academy, Former Deputy Sheriff/Detective, Butler County Police Department
  • Ryan Krull - Journalist, The Riverfront Times; Twitter: @RyanWKrull, RiverfrontTimes.com
  • Josephine Wentzel - Krystal Mitchell's Mother & Founder of "Angels of Justice;" Author: "THE CHASE: In Hot Pursuit of My Daughter’s Killer;" AngelsofJustice.org, 

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. It is often said and quoted that there is nothing on earth stronger than a mother's love. Love that will make a mother do anything, go anywhere, brave dangerous circumstances, and most of all, never give up. And that is today's crime Stories. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation and Serious XM one eleven talking about a handsome young guy, Edward Goodwin. Take a listen to our friends at kf VS. Goodwin was the father of two children, a teenager and a young child. What is your grandson? Cd you about his dad? Immensity? On Goodwin's birthday, his mother erected across in their front yard, the only memorial she has for her son. Everybody, there's a new flower on there. The Butler County Sheriff says he hears from missus Goodwin almost every day. I do. I'm probably a pain in his neck. I guess. So your son just disappears off the face of the earth. You have no idea where he is. You know he would never walk out on his children or you his mother, But yet no resolution is seemingly nothing being done about it? Can you imagine going out to your front yard and erecting a cross for your son that you can't find, that you haven't heard of from, and every day putting another flower there, one day after the next, after the next, after the next. What happened to Edward Goodwin? Listen? Edward Goodwin was a self employed tile lair and father to a son and daughter. Connie Goodwin says her son came to visit often, but in June several days went by without contact, and then Edward Goodwin uncharacteristically missed a planned family barbecue for the fourth of July. The next day, Connie Goodwin reported her son missing and more from our friends at k f VS. Connie Goodwin, here's a lot of stories about her son, but she's hoping now a new tip can blow the sheriff's investigation wide open. I will never stop searching from using. Connie Goodwin has been fighting for answers for the past year and is not giving up. Edward Goodwin disappeared June twenty seventh of last year. It's been a living hell because you don't know where your son's ay the Butler County Sheriff's Department, if he's probably dead. They believe he's probably dead. Okay, joining me an all star panel of experts. But first I'm going to go to a special guest joining us. This is Edward's mother, Connie Goodwin, along with his father ed Goodwin. Miss Goodwin. Thank you for being with us. Thank you. I mean, that's a fine. How do you do Oh he's probably dead? What I mean if the sheriff came and told me that about somebody I love, I think I would blow up like a stick of dynamite. But before we get to the sheriff saying oh, yeah, he's probably dead, I want to talk about when you first realized something was wrong, that you had no idea where is your son Edward? What happened? I noticed something was wrong the weekend, in the last weekend in June. It would just it just didn't feel right m July to twenty nights, maybe during the whole week. It was just it was just a different feeling. I can't explain it. But whenever, and we searched everywhere, we called his phone, we never did get a hold of things. We would it just go straight to the voicemail. Yes, yes, and July the fourth whenever never showed up for the barbecue. Okay, that's not right, now, that is not right. As long as the twins have been alive, we have had a July the fourth blowout. We gill, we cook out, we had people over, we get a slippy slide for the front yard, the whole shebang, right, and as kind of a command performance, you show up for July the fourth exactly well. And he already had plans to pick up his daughter at this time, and he whenever he didn't pick her right up right in and there we knew there was something wrong. He didn't show up for Juda the fourth. My daughter Jennifer, she she got on the phone with Ahnt and you know, kind of explained to the lady, and the lady give her some numbers that was called from my son's phone and some text messages, numbers that was sent. But still nobody could find your son, right And when did the texts and the phone calls? Could you see or understand when they stopped? And did that coincide with when you missed him? Yeah? It was he was the phone. The last time ever used his phone was July, I mean June twenty ninth, that morning too, ed Goodwen, This is Edward's father, so we've got the last time he uses his phone June twenty nine. Mister Goodwin, when did you start feeling uneasy? What made you feel uneasy and feel that something was amiss with Edward? You know, get a hold of him, and nobody talked to him, And I went to some places to work people that knew him that you know, I might have seen him, because everybody'd seen him, and everybody's telling that they hadn't seen him a few days, you know, Cheryl McCall, I'm trying to figure out what that's like when you start going Okay, I guess with the children, I would go to the playground, I would go to the school, I would go to where they have scouts. I'd go everywhere around the neighborhood. Edward's a grown man, so I guess you go to the friend's house, you go to their house, you go to where they work, just everything you can think of, and that feeling of always hitting a dead end with this case at the family once they saw what you and I talk about all the time, that break in somebody's pattern. He's not returning calls, he's not picking up that's not normal. This is a man that owns his own business, so that cell phone is his livelihood. So he's not answering the phone, he's not picking up his child, which he's never failed to do that before. And now he's missed a family event, which again he's never failed to do. So these multiple breaks in pattern are a great concern to Connie Good. When this is Edward's mother. How old are his children at the time, Halei she was four, and Gauge she was fixteen. Oh no, no way would he leave behind those children, you know? And how did they respond with their father being gone and nobody hearing from him? They hurt, you know, Halie, she was you know, a little small, you know, it's like, you know, she really didn't understand, but she knew daddy wasn't coming around. And at Gauge he you know, he finished school, he went all the way to graduate, you know. And uh, I mean, and he missed him every day still. Yeah, even when my husband goes out of town for work that night, when it's just the three of us sitting around the table, I mean, him not being there, it just feels all wrong. And now you've got these two children and no dad. When did you first report him missing, Connie, I reported him missing July to sifth, day after July fourth. So the day after he doesn't show up for the July of the fourth party, you report him missing. Break. I want to go to another mom joining us who never gave up on justice for her daughter, Josephine Wentzel. This is Crystal Mitchell's mother, founder of Angels of Justice. Josephine. When did you get the feeling something was wrong with Crystal? That was the day I woke up and I knew something was wrong, and she was, unbeknownst to me, she was laying their dead unfounded. When I was going through all those feelings and emotions, and later on it got intense. When the police got to the scene, my feelings got more intense. I got sick to my stomach. I knew definitely something was wrong. I was getting all these feelings that were coming to me. It's a terrible feeling, but I'm really sorry Connie and mister Gooden, what you're going through. The pain that you're going through is shared by many. I have two cases that I'm working on right now, assisting with and two missing girls is the same thing. Nobody would take I try to get the FBI to work on it, and they won't take the case unless they're searching for a body man. That's tough, and all of these cases have moms who want answers. Time stories with Nancy Grace, Connie Goodwin. When you contacted the sheriff's what did they say? They put out a you know, they started searching a little bit and therefore at a curss. So it felt like that they wasn't taking it very seriously. I mean it went on for like a couple of months like that. Why because he's a grown man. Yeah, well that was one of the stories stating that he had took off with some year old Alabama. Why do they always say that? Normally they say it about women, Miss Goodwin, Oh, she took off with her boyfriend, a boyfriend or a lover. Instead of realizing the mom is saying, he never goes to day without texting me. He didn't just quote take off. How often did you talk to Edward via text or my phone? Every day? Every day? You know, they would maybe be like a day in between, you know, it depends on how his work schedule was and how he was working, but I mean it was every day, every other day that he would call home or texts or come by. And whenever you don't do, you know, whenever your child don't do that, there's something wrong. And just like she was talking about, you know that you get feelings, you know. I mean, I've had so many feelings that, you know, they're hard to describe, but you feel it. I mean, you really feel that there's something wrong, you know, and when you try to tell somebody, you know, it's like they don't know what you're talking about. So they look at you like, you know, there's something wrong with you. You know. Yes, So there's a feeling that a mother did when something is wrong. You know. It sounds to me like the sheriff's just as soon. Well he's a grown man. He took off. The mom was crazy. Guys, they tell her, well, if he is dead, his body has not been recovered. Take a listen to our French grey honeycutt. They say, his body has not been recovered. I mean, we go out and we searched for a son on gravel roads, logging roads, holes, wells, you know, you name it. Recently, she even put up a billboard hoping for a new lead. He wasn't perfect. I'm not saying he was perfect, but whatever he did do, he didn't deserve to be beat to death, you know. I mean he had a family he loved and they loved him. You know, you just said something, miss Goodwin. He wasn't perfect, and I always like to say, he may not be perfect, but he's perfect for me. Exactly. Tell me about your son. What was he like growing up? What kind of man did he grow into? He was always high spirited, joking around all the time, you know, I mean, he had a real good sense of humor. He always loved laughing, you know, playing with the kids, his nieces and nephews. On holidays, like on Easter, he would be the first one out there to hide the eggs and take the little ones out to you know, the hunt Easter eggs. He was always there for the kids at Christmas mornings. He was always he was always the first one on Mother's Day, on my birthday, he was always one first one to be here at the house. And that's an empty killing when it don't happen anymore. You told me that you taught to him on the phone or text it with him, or he would just drop by every day. One of those three things would happen nearly every day. Tell me about him just dropping by. What was that like? He would just stop by and get a sandwiches and say, hey, Mom, hey Dad, you know I wanted, you know, doing any help with anything, or you know, and chake on engage and you know a lot of times he would come and he would ready and he would mow, you know, just whatever we needed done. You know, I mean, you know you said something funny right there. Um, you said it, come over and make a sandwich? Is that it? Didn't you say that? Yes, I'm just thinking about my son. My daughter, of course doesn't eat like a horse like my son. But some of the happiest moments that we have, our whole family is sitting down together for supper or you know, after school. It's always my son comes in and we sit at the kitchen table or hang around the kitchen and he cleans out the fridge, and it could not make me happier. I'm just thinking about Edward just coming by and you hear his carpool up for his truck and the next thing you know, you hear the door open. You know it's him. You know, I can tell who's coming in the door. I can tell if it's my husband, my son, my daughter, or my mother who lives with us she's ninety one. I can tell by the way they come in the door, even the way the door opens and shuts who it is. And I just imagine you and the home when you hear Edward come in? Yes, and I bet you smiled on the inside every single time. So you even put up a billboard? Did I hear that? All right? Mister Goodwin with me is Edward's father, ed Goodwin. You guys put up a billboard trying to get a lead. Okay, Ryan Crow helped me out. Ryan Croll investigated journalists with the Riverfront Times. Ryan, they have to put up a billboard to get a lead. I mean, listen, I am all about law enforcement. I spent my whole legal career catching the bad guys. But what are the sheriff's doing. The family has to go put up a billboard. Yeah, it's incredible, and I wish I could say this is the only case I've covered in Missouri where a family has put up a billboard trying to keep their missing loved one's name and the public conscious. But it's something I've heard of before and whenever. The Riverfront Times first report of the story broke the story last week, I spoke to Connie, and to be honest, I think in our conversation over the phone, I really didn't grasp the sort of enormity of her efforts and her dedication until I sort of had time to digest it. I mean, it's just a it's an incredible story, an incredible testament. Ryan Crawl with the Riverfront Times. Did you hear she puts up across in her front yard and every day puts a flower because she doesn't have it if he's dead. She doesn't have a grave, she doesn't have an urn, she got nothing, so she erects across and puts a flower. Can you imagine that, going to lay a flower down every day and wonder where's my boy? Where is my boy? My son? Yeah? Okay, then we think we get a break. Take a listen to our friends at crime Online. For two years, the good Ones had no idea of what happened to their son Edward. A few tips came in, but then a break. Police get word of a grudge between Edward Goodwin and two men he had known since Great School the men had even worked together. Both Connie and law enforcement came to believe that the two men killed Goodwin. Police say there were witnesses, and the witnesses ultimately talked Goodwin had been assaulted. Goodwin had been assaulted. You get a tip of a grudge, an argument of sorts between Edward and some guys he has known since elementary school. But still nobody can find Edward based on the little bit that they've got, They make and arrest. Listen to kf v S. When he was brought in by Sheriff Dobbs, my camera was rolling and they asked him if he had anything to do with the disappearance or murder of Edward Goodwin. Do you have anything to do with the disappearance of Edward Goodwin? No, you didn't kill him, nothing to do with that. What do you have to say for yourself? But the county, I stop killing us some people. Yeah. Sheriff Dobbs tells me they found hurt while they were serving a warrant and that he was hiding in the back bedroom. Cheryl McCallum joining me, forensic expert and founder of the Cold Case Research Institute. You can find her at Coldcase Crimes dot Org. You know what, when the cop comes to him my front door, I don't go run hide under the bed. That's just not what I do. So what's he running to the back bedroom and hiding for Well, I've ventured to guess he knows there's a warrant because he knows exactly what he's done, and probably multiple situations. So he's gonna run thinking they're not gonna look for him, and I, you know, find him under the bed or wherever he was hiding in the closet or wherever. But you know, Nancy, it wasn't just his running. It's the fact that for two years he sat in that same town with those same people. I guarantee you they know what happened to Edward. Absolutely, Jackie, let's play our cut five our friends at k f v S. Goodwin says, all the hard work and paint is worth it for the sun she loves so much. I miss a smile. Well, Edward failed, so we can lay him to rest. The Butler County Sheriff says a person of interest in this case because stopped cooperating with their investigation. He's currently incarcerated on unrelated charges and was originally churched with assault, but those churches were dropped due to lack of evidence. Miss Goodwin, When you find out the case against the so called grade school friends is dropped for lack of evidence, what went through your mind? I exploded because I knew and he just lived like three miles from my house. I don't have to pass his house every day go into town. It just doesn't make sense to me. It sounds like somebody is not doing their job. They've got a guy, how to grudge, how to fight. According to witnesses, around the time your son disappears, they get him and then suddenly the charges are dropped. But what about data? What about evidence? Take a listen to our friends over at Family's United for Justice in Butler County speaking with Connie mid July twenty fifteen. This area is where my son's phone ping and mid July, Butler County search the field, okay, but they didn't search the pond. When Edward Goodwin was reported missing in July of twenty fifteen, the search included tracking his cell phone and where it pinged around the time he disappeared. One of the areas was around an unnamed pond in Butler County investigators did not serve the pond. They searched an area adjacent to the pond. Okay, I don't understand it. Pains by a pond, but they don't search the pond. Connie Goodwin, exactly did you ask him to search the pond? Yes? Multiple times? Ed Goodwin? Did you ask him to search the pond? Yes? Why wouldn't they search the darn pond? Ed? Well, I guess it's just been too much of the Romantot crime stories with Nancy Grace, Ryan Crawl. Has anybody ever asked the sheriff why they wouldn't search the pond? Well, my understanding, and obviously, please Connie or Edward crush me if I'm wrong. Whether every time someone did ask the sheriff there was always some reason not to. Maybe there was other crimes that were of more immediately for two years. For two years, they're too busy. What other crime? I shot? Lifting at the Dollar General? Seriously? Yeah, that's that's what I heard. Yeah, and that or they would blame whether or something like that. Basically, there was always an excuse to not go anthy, I gotta jump in here jump. I am utterly gobsmacked at the fact they would have to ask. That should have been done immediately when they searched the field the first time. You've got a pond there, that is obvious. That is a just traditional thing you're gonna do. We're gonna cover this field and if there's a barn on it, or an abandoned building or a wine celler, we're gonna check it. But if you've got a pond there, that's obvious. These parents should have never had to ask. Never yes. And you know what, oh, Nancy, there is other nonprofit organizations out there, like Adventurous Purpose that would have been glad to have gone there. My question is why law enforcement is not searching the pond. The families begging them and they do nothing. I mean, Connie Goodwin, what would go through your mind? You know, the phone ping there and you can't get them to get off their rear ends and go search the pond. Exactly what at that time they was telling us that, you know that there wouldn't be nobody there, you know, coyotes in kyote dens. You know, we would led to believe that you know that my son wasn't there. That's totally yes. If your son is in the pond. Coyote is not going to swim down to the bottom and their dive equipment and get your son out. That's not going to happen. Guys, take a listen to our cut number seven, Miss Goodwin. Every day or whenever I go to town back and forth, you know, me, myself, my family, my husband, you know, we have to pass this area every day, you know, and there's not a time that goes by that you don't look over this way across the field, you know. I mean, it's it's just a sad feeling every day and it's like, how can you move on when it's always there? And I don't see why it hasn't been done already all this time? Too kind of good? When could you describe what it would be like to go by that pond every day knowing that your son's phone pained right beside that pond, but the sheriff's would not come and drain it and search for your son. What would go through your mind every day when you would drive by your heart literally break, You have a like a wrenching painting, your stomach empty cold, you know, Cheryl McCollum, When I even drive by my dad's spot at our little Methodist church at the cemetery. A lot of times I can't even stand a look at it. I can't imagine Edward's mother and father driving by this pond every day and wondering is Edward out there. It is unimaginable. It is unimaginable that anybody would put her through that. You know, I'm of the belief let's search it. If we're wrong and nothing's there, fine, we move on. We at least know where it's not. But the inaction is just astounding. I don't understand it. Joining me, special guest, Jim Acre's Coroner, Butler County. That's Popular Bluff, Missouri Medico Legal Death Investigator instructor at Missouri Corners and Medical Examiners Association. It goes on and on and on. Former Deputy ship of Detective Jim Makers, thank you for being with us. The suggestion given to the good ones that well, he's not in the pond, or coyotes got him if he was in the pond. That doesn't even make sense. How can coyotes, if he was ever in the pond, get the body. That doesn't even make sense. You're correct, that doesn't. It's hard for me to speak to that because I wasn't a part of that conversation. But that certainly doesn't doesn't bring true to what normal law enforcement response would be. And Jim Makers everyone the corner at Butler County. You've dealt with a lot of victims families, Yes, ma'am. I know that they're grieving and they're upset, and they don't understand what's happening. But they're not idiots. For Pete's sake to tell them, well, if he was in the pond, and you know, hyotes may have gotten them to tell them something that doesn't even make sense, or to delay and delay and delay. Now up to two years have passed. Yes, ma'am, families know something's horribly well, how do you deal with victims families? You've got to be honest with them, even if it hurts them, Yes, ma'am. Honesty is the only way to be from the law enforcement side and to play the devil's advocate. I've been a part of investigations where we have information and we don't want it to get to the public, and so we keep it very close. But you normally don't provide some type of a scenario that takes away hope. And I've been a part of searching funds before this one with this department, and it's a big undertaking. It's a lot of work, but you do it well. Can I tell you, mister Akers with me Jim Akers Corner, Butler County. I dived all over the world and diving in a murky pond is not easy. Very often you can't even see your hand in front of your face, So diving down into it and looking would not be the answer. It'd have to be drained, wouldn't you agree, mister Akers? Oh? Absolutely, There would have been zero visibility, and this pond was quite large at the onset they took. From what I understand, they would take a boat out on it. Google Earth still shows it as a much larger body of water than what it is today. It would have been very difficult, nearly impossible, to have mapped out the entire bottom of that pond and to have done a recovery. Drainage would be the only way. The Sheriff's department would need a search warrant or need permission from the owner to go forward with that, whereas the open field doctrine would allow you to walk through the field absolutely fun. Of course, if you don't get permission by the owners, you could always get a search warrant if you got enough PC probable cause and with the phone pinging right there, that's PC enough to search that pond. And let me ask you with me, is Jim Acres a very well respected corner out of Butler County there in Missouri and Poplar Bluff with extensive background? Connie Goodwin, how many times did you question the sheriff regarding you've got your son's phone ping right by this pond, but they won't drain it. How many times do you think you asked them to drain that pond? Hundreds? I mean hundreds, and every time you got a different excuse as to why they hadn't done it. Exactly. It was a break in the case in mid October and November. That's when everything goes to Levy and they drained partial of the and they last water in the pond. Partial draining. That's as good as you could get, but at least it's something. Guys. Take a listen now to our friends at KF the fur Cut eight new details this morning on a murder investigation that we've been following since twenty fifteen in Butler County. Corner Jim Akers confirming with us that more remains of Edward Goodwin have been found in a pond off of Route five seventy two in Butler County. Goodwin went missing in June of twenty fifteen. Ricky Hurt has been charged with first degree murdering connection with this case. The Sheriff's Department drained most of a pond where some of Goodwin's remains were first discovered. Akers says that this concludes the search. No word yet on cause of death. So after all that time, years have passed and finally a partial draining was done and some remains were found, just as you suspected. Connie Goodman tell me how that happened. There's a break in the case. And it was like two weeks later. I messages Mark Dogs and ask him, you know they're going to were they going to, you know, break the levy, but are they going to drain it? And anyway, I told him that I see that he's not doing nothing because it's been two weeks. And I told him, I said, Ben, I'll tell you what I'm going to do. I'm going to get John Bows dragging gear, whateveryone has to do. I'm going to search that pond. Hold on right there, guys, take a listen to our cut twelve from crime Online. After police unsuccessfully attempted to drain the pond last fall, Connie Engage Goodwin, the son of Edward Goodwin, decided to take care of the job themselves. They rented us some pump and took water out of the pond. Connie Goodwin, you get out out with a sap pump and you began to drain the pond yourself, right, yes, but to help them my husband and goodman, and how do you go about draining a pond with a salt pump. We had backed the truck all the way down in there, I mean Connie fitted over there and then put the hose is up there, and then we had to find something to get water out of the pond to trying to pump to get it going, and finally got going as you kept the pump until we start seeing something until Connie, I said, I know that's concrete box over too. Then when I walked on the other sun, I could tell that was a two bats sticking up there and concrete box. And a year ago that same day. I mean when we was over a year ago. I mean, Connie Gage are setting up there and just now twenty five feet in front of um, there's where ever it was. And I was talking to him that day. I find myself, So if you're in there, please let me know, me help me and let you let me find you can get you older. And you know, I just em blows your mind. I'm just trying to take in what you just said, mister Goodwin. Miss Goodwin, were you there when your son's remains emerged? Yes, what happened like a horrible thing. I told my husband, I said, let's just keep on pumping. Let's keep on pumping because we don't we can't stop and call you. I didn't want to call because I figured if I did call, and then you know when they come out, I figured maybe they can't help us to leave, and I didn't want to leave. So we kept on pumping through all the water was completely out, and that's when I called Jimmakers. Yeah, he come out and he confirmed what we've seen. Jim automatically just started taking off his shoes and the socks, and this mud was anywhere between two two and a half eat deep, I mean thick mud, suction mud where it's hard to you know, to we even walk through. And I don't I don't see how they just took off running, you know, my grandson. But we was trying to figure out how we can get out there, you know, without because they was big snapping turtles in you know, going through the mud. We seemed like anywhere between six or seven of them, you know, And I didn't want him to get hurt, and thinking, well, you know, hey, we run the corner right here, and here we are getting him hurt. You know, what did you see, miss Goodwin that made you know that was your son? We started seeing it looked like it looked like sticks and the weight at first when they started poking up, but when the water was going down, but the closer you, I mean you it was his knee bones and it looked like that they was coming up out. It looked like it was coming up out the hose at the concrete block and almost like an across, feel like it was crossed. So Jim acres with me the Butler County corner. I heard cement blocks. Do you believe Edward had been weighted down with cement blocks and thrown in the pond. Yes, ma'am. I found his tibia and fibia through the center of the cement blocks with a portion of babble I wrapped around the top of them and around the bottom and under the cement block. I found both feet well the bones, and they were completely under the center block, so they had been there in that position since shortly after he had been placed in the pond. Mister Goodwin, I heard you say that when y'all you were draining the pond, you I asked your son to help you find him? Yes, do you think he Do you think he heard you? Mancy? Can I say something? Yes? This is just breaking my heart and honey, and I'm so sorry that you guys had to go through this. No family should have to see or endure what you guys can or endure of your own child. This is a shame, Miss Goodwin. What went through your mind when you saw your son's like vines? I just started shaking. I got where I felt like, I mean, I like that I was shaking. I felt numb. I just felt like I couldn't stand. I'm shut down on the sign in the mud so that you just couldn't move, you know, and and I watched my watch gimmakers and my grands engaged, you know, Jim pulling things from them in the mud, and and seeing my grandson Edward's then, you know, to see everything and seeing him break down, it was it was bad. I hope no parent ever has to do this again. It's something that I'll never forget, and it's something that Gage will never forget. You know, he's still you know, he's hurting now and he just ain't the same as the Ladybels before ed good When what went through your mind when you saw what you believed to be your son's bones, That's just kind of hard to explain. But I stay strong because of the Gauge in Corning. You know, I just didn't want to break down myself because when Gauge is up there putting ever part Ruddy carts into kayak. He was returned, he said, and he was crying. He was trying to keep from crying. So that helped me from just working down myself, you know, knowing what he was going to getting his own dad. I'm just so sorry we've all been through. I just hate it so much. Miss Goodwin. Did you put Edward to rest? Yes? I did the day when Jim left the pond. My husband he hauled the concrete bosh for Jim in the in the byb war to his through his office, and me and my daughter engaged. We stayed there at the pond and it was just like it was just like an empty feeling, like Everard's left the villain, you know, and we got Everard remains back. You know. Do the the circumstances that I hadn't cremated because I wanted to come home. Ye'll keep you The suspects, Eldert Smith and Ricky Hirt brought to justice. As a mother and a father and a family grieve. No mother, no father, no son should have to go through what the Goodwin family has been through. But never once did the good Ones give up. Never once did mister and miss Goodwin, Connie and ed Ever stop on their mission to get justice and to bring their son Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off good bye