Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a married Wisconsin dad of three. Did he fake his own death in order to flee to Europe and his Usbecky hotty mistress and breaking? Now? Is daddy home for Christmas? I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Board wards apparently back home on US soil and busted. He's home for Christmas? Is the wife even gonna want him? Why would she want him? But that's not my concern right now. I'm not a shrink or marriage counselor. I'm a former prosecutor and I want to find out a why he came home and b what is he charged with? Joining me an all star panel to make sense of what we know right now? Straight out to Christina or Wyo. She is the national news anchor with Salem News Channel. Christina, thank you for being with us. What happened?

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a married Wisconsin dad of three. Did he fake his own death in order to flee to Europe and his Usbecky hotty mistress and breaking? Now? Is daddy home for Christmas? I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Board wards apparently back home on US soil and busted. He's home for Christmas? Is the wife even gonna want him? Why would she want him? But that's not my concern right now. I'm not a shrink or marriage counselor. I'm a former prosecutor and I want to find out a why he came home and b what is he charged with? Joining me an all star panel to make sense of what we know right now? Straight out to Christina or Wyo. She is the national news anchor with Salem News Channel. Christina, thank you for being with us. What happened?

We learned a lot from what Ryan borg Word told investigators about how he tried to pull this whole scheme off, baking his own death, from struggling to get out of the water because he was caught in waste time muck to riding an e bike seventy miles to Milwaukee to hit a greyhound to Chicago, Detroit up through Canada. He actually struggled getting through with the Canadian officials, but he finally went back and forth with.

We learned a lot from what Ryan borg Word told investigators about how he tried to pull this whole scheme off, baking his own death, from struggling to get out of the water because he was caught in waste time muck to riding an e bike seventy miles to Milwaukee to hit a greyhound to Chicago, Detroit up through Canada. He actually struggled getting through with the Canadian officials, but he finally went back and forth with.

Them Christina Christina Ohio joining us. Why do you keep talking about his struggling boo hooo? He struggled to get out of the water. Why was he in the water because he faked his own death? Why was he faking his own death to go? What's a nice way to put this to go? Snug up within is Becky mistress a hottie in Europe. I don't care that he struggled to get out of the water, and I don't care that he As you said again, you're really hitting the struggling a lot as he struggle to get out of the country. He shouldn't have been out of the country anyway, But okay, trying to move forward without feeling sorry for Ryan Borgwarts.

Them Christina Christina Ohio joining us. Why do you keep talking about his struggling boo hooo? He struggled to get out of the water. Why was he in the water because he faked his own death? Why was he faking his own death to go? What's a nice way to put this to go? Snug up within is Becky mistress a hottie in Europe. I don't care that he struggled to get out of the water, and I don't care that he As you said again, you're really hitting the struggling a lot as he struggle to get out of the country. He shouldn't have been out of the country anyway, But okay, trying to move forward without feeling sorry for Ryan Borgwarts.

Please absolutely no sorrowful feelings here for mister Borgward. As he enacted a completely selfish scheme, he cost the County of Green Lake forty five thousand plus dollars. They did an extensive search in this length. They had cadaver dogs, they had diving teams, they put their lives at risk. Not to mention he left behind his family. He meticulously planned for at least seven months, right because we know he took that life insurance policy out in January for three hundred and seventy five thousand dollars. So he meticulously planned every single day for about seven months on how to completely destroy emotionally every single person that loved him and every person that he loved. He actually went to church with his family the mourning of his disappearance, the morning that he carried through with his plan to fake his own death. So the reason he came home, it's Sheriff's Christ.

Please absolutely no sorrowful feelings here for mister Borgward. As he enacted a completely selfish scheme, he cost the County of Green Lake forty five thousand plus dollars. They did an extensive search in this length. They had cadaver dogs, they had diving teams, they put their lives at risk. Not to mention he left behind his family. He meticulously planned for at least seven months, right because we know he took that life insurance policy out in January for three hundred and seventy five thousand dollars. So he meticulously planned every single day for about seven months on how to completely destroy emotionally every single person that loved him and every person that he loved. He actually went to church with his family the mourning of his disappearance, the morning that he carried through with his plan to fake his own death. So the reason he came home, it's Sheriff's Christ.

Wait a minute, Wait a minute before I lose this thought out to high profile lawyer joining us Gregory Morse. He is a partner in the law firm of King Morse joining us out of Palm Beach, Gregory Morse. No jury is going to believe him or anything he has to say when we find out he's sitting at the eleven o'clock service, and then he's got his plan already done. While he's sitting there, while his wife is praying for her family, he's sinking. Ooh, it's Becky haughty got to get to his Bekistan. Hurry, hurry, go fake my death and get to Canada. Really, the duplicity, the hypocrisy. I just you know what, I can take a lot a hypocrite.

Wait a minute, Wait a minute before I lose this thought out to high profile lawyer joining us Gregory Morse. He is a partner in the law firm of King Morse joining us out of Palm Beach, Gregory Morse. No jury is going to believe him or anything he has to say when we find out he's sitting at the eleven o'clock service, and then he's got his plan already done. While he's sitting there, while his wife is praying for her family, he's sinking. Ooh, it's Becky haughty got to get to his Bekistan. Hurry, hurry, go fake my death and get to Canada. Really, the duplicity, the hypocrisy. I just you know what, I can take a lot a hypocrite.

No, n well, he's not going to make much jewelry appeal if his case were to go to trial. And Ryan Borgenwork should have listened to my advice to every citizen. If you want to confess, speak with a priest, not the police. He spoke with the police, told him you know that he was going. He planned this. He kind of inculpated himself. And he's charged under a statute obstruction of justice in Wisconsin section nine forty six point four to one, which is a misdemeanor Class A. Under their statute, he doesn't really qualify for the felony enhancements. He faces up to nine months in jail. He clearly doesn't have any money for a lawyer, or didn't plan yesterday or did Greg Morris.

No, n well, he's not going to make much jewelry appeal if his case were to go to trial. And Ryan Borgenwork should have listened to my advice to every citizen. If you want to confess, speak with a priest, not the police. He spoke with the police, told him you know that he was going. He planned this. He kind of inculpated himself. And he's charged under a statute obstruction of justice in Wisconsin section nine forty six point four to one, which is a misdemeanor Class A. Under their statute, he doesn't really qualify for the felony enhancements. He faces up to nine months in jail. He clearly doesn't have any money for a lawyer, or didn't plan yesterday or did Greg Morris.

Please don't tell me that I the taxpayer have to pay this deadbeat dad, this two timer, that I have to pay his legal fees. Yeah, he says something in court like I only have twenty dollars. Really, you should have thought about that before you got that first class ticket across the ocean. Guys, this is how the whole thing started. Listen.

Please don't tell me that I the taxpayer have to pay this deadbeat dad, this two timer, that I have to pay his legal fees. Yeah, he says something in court like I only have twenty dollars. Really, you should have thought about that before you got that first class ticket across the ocean. Guys, this is how the whole thing started. Listen.

In August twelfth, twenty twenty four, at five point thirty two pm, our office received a call from the Dodge County Sheriff's Office in reference to a subject that did not return home that evening and the last known location he was was Green Lake. Deputies headed that way, checked the areas around the lake and found Ryan's vehicle along with his trailer, parked in the area of Dodge Memorial Park.

In August twelfth, twenty twenty four, at five point thirty two pm, our office received a call from the Dodge County Sheriff's Office in reference to a subject that did not return home that evening and the last known location he was was Green Lake. Deputies headed that way, checked the areas around the lake and found Ryan's vehicle along with his trailer, parked in the area of Dodge Memorial Park.

We immediately deployed our.

We immediately deployed our.

Boat and at six point thirty one two of our deputies found a capsized kayak in the western part of the lake, in the area of two hundred and twenty foot depth.

Boat and at six point thirty one two of our deputies found a capsized kayak in the western part of the lake, in the area of two hundred and twenty foot depth.

Of water two and twenty feet below the surface, deep deep down, where the water is so dark you can't see your hand in front of your eyes. You know, I want to go out too, before I tell you what else happened to Special guests joining us. Ben Dobrin joining us. He is a police diver, he is an Emergency Medical Services Marine Dive Team member, and he is the dean the d Henry Watt's School of professional studies. Ben, thank you so much for being with us. What are the dangers of diving that deeply?

Of water two and twenty feet below the surface, deep deep down, where the water is so dark you can't see your hand in front of your eyes. You know, I want to go out too, before I tell you what else happened to Special guests joining us. Ben Dobrin joining us. He is a police diver, he is an Emergency Medical Services Marine Dive Team member, and he is the dean the d Henry Watt's School of professional studies. Ben, thank you so much for being with us. What are the dangers of diving that deeply?

Oh, there's a lot of risk. First of all, I mean, that lake, like you said, is deep, and it's huge. It's two hundred and thirty six feet deep. So that's not a normal dive. You know, most public safety diving the standards are sixty feet or less. Some dive teams will train up to maybe one hundred feet, but once you get past one hundred feet you're in what's called technical diving. And most public safety dive teams are not technical dive teams, and so they're not diving that deep. So then you're going to put a whole bunch of equipment in the water that is very expensive, whether it's sonar or some sort of unmanned underwater vehicle. Those are hundreds of thousands of dollars of pieces of equipment that you're putting in there. There's all sorts of entanglement hazards. You know, it's dark, it's deep, it's cold, But once you put a human being in the water, you know, then you're putting life in limit at risk. Also, so once you have divers in the water, it becomes a much more scary endeavor for us to put one diver in the water and that primary diver has a second person a tender to help them. Then we have to have a safety diver, and that person has a tender. Then we have what's called a ninety percent diver. They're kind of a backup safety to the safety. Then we have to have a dive supervisor and a dive safety officer, So that's six people to get one diver in the water. And then most teams will also have an ambulance and a medic on scene just for the divers. So you're talking about a very, very labor intensive endeavor to get one safety dive, one public safety diver into the water. And then when you talk about the training and the gear, it's very expensive to do this, and the risks are there. I mean, entanglements happen, running out of air shouldn't happen, Medical events happen. If a medical event happens above water, we've got medics unseen ambulance of hospitals. But if you have a medical event underwater, that's a whole different and scary endeavor. So I mean, once you start putting people in the water, the risks go up significantly.

Oh, there's a lot of risk. First of all, I mean, that lake, like you said, is deep, and it's huge. It's two hundred and thirty six feet deep. So that's not a normal dive. You know, most public safety diving the standards are sixty feet or less. Some dive teams will train up to maybe one hundred feet, but once you get past one hundred feet you're in what's called technical diving. And most public safety dive teams are not technical dive teams, and so they're not diving that deep. So then you're going to put a whole bunch of equipment in the water that is very expensive, whether it's sonar or some sort of unmanned underwater vehicle. Those are hundreds of thousands of dollars of pieces of equipment that you're putting in there. There's all sorts of entanglement hazards. You know, it's dark, it's deep, it's cold, But once you put a human being in the water, you know, then you're putting life in limit at risk. Also, so once you have divers in the water, it becomes a much more scary endeavor for us to put one diver in the water and that primary diver has a second person a tender to help them. Then we have to have a safety diver, and that person has a tender. Then we have what's called a ninety percent diver. They're kind of a backup safety to the safety. Then we have to have a dive supervisor and a dive safety officer, So that's six people to get one diver in the water. And then most teams will also have an ambulance and a medic on scene just for the divers. So you're talking about a very, very labor intensive endeavor to get one safety dive, one public safety diver into the water. And then when you talk about the training and the gear, it's very expensive to do this, and the risks are there. I mean, entanglements happen, running out of air shouldn't happen, Medical events happen. If a medical event happens above water, we've got medics unseen ambulance of hospitals. But if you have a medical event underwater, that's a whole different and scary endeavor. So I mean, once you start putting people in the water, the risks go up significantly.

You know, another problem when you're searching, especially that deep, when you're diving that deeply, is that items on the bottom, the bottom surface get tangled up and you've got a diver down there that may have spotted a limb surrounded by water debris, you know, raptil together that may look like a body on sonar. So you have to go all the way down and it's pitch black, you can't even see your hand in front of you. Find the object, feel it and determine is it a body that is very dangerous?

You know, another problem when you're searching, especially that deep, when you're diving that deeply, is that items on the bottom, the bottom surface get tangled up and you've got a diver down there that may have spotted a limb surrounded by water debris, you know, raptil together that may look like a body on sonar. So you have to go all the way down and it's pitch black, you can't even see your hand in front of you. Find the object, feel it and determine is it a body that is very dangerous?

Bendobrin absolutely, and then you know, let's say it is. Then you've got to recover. Recovering something from hundreds of feet has its own host of difficulties and problems because you know you're gonna have to do the diver's going to have to do safety stops on the way up. Do you just lift the body, tie you know, an airbag to it and lift it up, Well, then there could be problems and it can drop and you'll have to do your search all over again. Or if you're going to have lift you know, lift capabilities, that's another entanglement hazard for the diver. You know, once you're on the bottom, You're right, there's all sorts of garbage on the bottom that can make the diver entangled. And you know once you put it, once you put a human being in the water, the risks are really really high, and once you start adding the depth, it just makes it even more incredibly risky.

Bendobrin absolutely, and then you know, let's say it is. Then you've got to recover. Recovering something from hundreds of feet has its own host of difficulties and problems because you know you're gonna have to do the diver's going to have to do safety stops on the way up. Do you just lift the body, tie you know, an airbag to it and lift it up, Well, then there could be problems and it can drop and you'll have to do your search all over again. Or if you're going to have lift you know, lift capabilities, that's another entanglement hazard for the diver. You know, once you're on the bottom, You're right, there's all sorts of garbage on the bottom that can make the diver entangled. And you know once you put it, once you put a human being in the water, the risks are really really high, and once you start adding the depth, it just makes it even more incredibly risky.

Straight out to Joe Scott Morgan and joining US Professor forensics Jackson, Wi's State University, author of Blood Beneath My Fate on Amazon, and star of a hit series Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan, Joscott, I really can't stress how dangerous that was for the divers, for the dogs out there, for everybody manipulating the boat to kind of help and facilitate the divers. So far down below they can't communicate with them. You heard that two hundred and twenty five feet below the surface of the water. How dangerous is that for everyone involved? And think about the planning that went in to Borgwartz's escape plan.

Straight out to Joe Scott Morgan and joining US Professor forensics Jackson, Wi's State University, author of Blood Beneath My Fate on Amazon, and star of a hit series Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan, Joscott, I really can't stress how dangerous that was for the divers, for the dogs out there, for everybody manipulating the boat to kind of help and facilitate the divers. So far down below they can't communicate with them. You heard that two hundred and twenty five feet below the surface of the water. How dangerous is that for everyone involved? And think about the planning that went in to Borgwartz's escape plan.

Yeah, you want to know something about these lakes, Nancy. I've been up there before, been in this region of the country, and it's beautiful. Do you know these are glacial lakes, These lakes originated as a result of the ice, the ice sheet that came over North America. This is not too far away from Lake Winnebago. These lakes are really really deep. And you know he's not overstating this when you talk about you can't see your hand in front of your face in this location. It's amazing to me that he would choose this methodology in order to try to facilitate an escape like this, because these people are prepared up there with their maritime services. Now the sheriff just a second ago said we launched our boat. Well, everybody up there, every little jurisdiction has dive teams because these lakes are all over the place, so you can get several of these people. And this reminds me. I got to tell you, this reminds me of the Runaway Bride. Do you remember that all those years ago? Yeah, where they had to call in all of these resources to track her down. And I'm thinking about this case and all of these guys and gals that are out there on the surface of this lake. You've got people this is in August. You've got people that are recreating out there at summertime, and they're going out there into this lake, this deep water, and they're risking life and limb to try to find this bozo, and of course they don't turn up with anything.

Yeah, you want to know something about these lakes, Nancy. I've been up there before, been in this region of the country, and it's beautiful. Do you know these are glacial lakes, These lakes originated as a result of the ice, the ice sheet that came over North America. This is not too far away from Lake Winnebago. These lakes are really really deep. And you know he's not overstating this when you talk about you can't see your hand in front of your face in this location. It's amazing to me that he would choose this methodology in order to try to facilitate an escape like this, because these people are prepared up there with their maritime services. Now the sheriff just a second ago said we launched our boat. Well, everybody up there, every little jurisdiction has dive teams because these lakes are all over the place, so you can get several of these people. And this reminds me. I got to tell you, this reminds me of the Runaway Bride. Do you remember that all those years ago? Yeah, where they had to call in all of these resources to track her down. And I'm thinking about this case and all of these guys and gals that are out there on the surface of this lake. You've got people this is in August. You've got people that are recreating out there at summertime, and they're going out there into this lake, this deep water, and they're risking life and limb to try to find this bozo, and of course they don't turn up with anything.

Nancy, let me go out to IRV brand joining us ERV longtime friend and colleague, former senior inspector with the US Marshall Service International Investigations Branch. He has been around the world looking for felons. I want to talk about this when you're hearing the dangers and the money over fifty thousand dollars this little jurisdiction sunk into this much less a lot more money from other sources, but the danger, the danger involved, It's amazing. This guy is slung up in an Isbecky apartment with a hottie. I'm gonna have to go to a shrink about what the wife and the children are going through thinking he's dead. But of all of your travels and the dangers you have faced trying to track down people around the world, can you believe this.

Nancy, let me go out to IRV brand joining us ERV longtime friend and colleague, former senior inspector with the US Marshall Service International Investigations Branch. He has been around the world looking for felons. I want to talk about this when you're hearing the dangers and the money over fifty thousand dollars this little jurisdiction sunk into this much less a lot more money from other sources, but the danger, the danger involved, It's amazing. This guy is slung up in an Isbecky apartment with a hottie. I'm gonna have to go to a shrink about what the wife and the children are going through thinking he's dead. But of all of your travels and the dangers you have faced trying to track down people around the world, can you believe this.

Guy, Mancy?

Guy, Mancy?

This case strikes me as out of all the cases that we've covered together, this one strikes me as the most absurd when it comes to amount of time and the resources and the hard work put in by law enforcement agents for someone to do this that it was completely unnecessary. If he wanted to leave, he could have just left the note and left the country. He did not have to stage such an elaborate scam to try to convince people that he was dead.

This case strikes me as out of all the cases that we've covered together, this one strikes me as the most absurd when it comes to amount of time and the resources and the hard work put in by law enforcement agents for someone to do this that it was completely unnecessary. If he wanted to leave, he could have just left the note and left the country. He did not have to stage such an elaborate scam to try to convince people that he was dead.

He could have I've got I gotta admit for you or brant Way to hear this. Let me make sure I got it right with Christina Ohio. Christina, isn't it true that he went to the link of buying a life preserver at Walmart so he could leave it out there to be found.

He could have I've got I gotta admit for you or brant Way to hear this. Let me make sure I got it right with Christina Ohio. Christina, isn't it true that he went to the link of buying a life preserver at Walmart so he could leave it out there to be found.

Exactly he wanted them to think he needed to sell it. He needed people to think that he had drowned.

Exactly he wanted them to think he needed to sell it. He needed people to think that he had drowned.

So he left.

So he left.

He bought it earlier in that day. He left it there so that way investigators could find it, so they would be completely thrown off the track and that he actually drowned.

He bought it earlier in that day. He left it there so that way investigators could find it, so they would be completely thrown off the track and that he actually drowned.

What we're hearing is the wife the Wisconsin man who faked his own death in a kayak accident. The wife has filed for separation. Do you blame her?

What we're hearing is the wife the Wisconsin man who faked his own death in a kayak accident. The wife has filed for separation. Do you blame her?

We assembled around eight thirty that Monday morning to get our plan in place as to what we were going to do.

We assembled around eight thirty that Monday morning to get our plan in place as to what we were going to do.

As you can see in the.

As you can see in the.

Screen, behind me shows the location of data guide that guided our search. There was a number of pings that we got from the phone that Ryan I had contact with his wife. The last one where it shows you on there it says last pin. That was one where you told her that he was going to be turning around and head even.

Screen, behind me shows the location of data guide that guided our search. There was a number of pings that we got from the phone that Ryan I had contact with his wife. The last one where it shows you on there it says last pin. That was one where you told her that he was going to be turning around and head even.

Towards shore soon. We then got another ping around the eleven.

Towards shore soon. We then got another ping around the eleven.

Fifty ish and that was just the last thing.

Fifty ish and that was just the last thing.

That we got on the front.

That we got on the front.

I don't know yet what he's going to face legally, because he has just been busted and shown up in a court of law. But how do you explain that to your children as they grow up and start to understand what you did to their mother and to them. But the level of planning goes beyond capsizing a kayak and leaving a brand new life preserver out in the water to be found. I mean, gregor remorse, You're in church on Sunday and then the next day you are leaving your fishing rod out in the water to be found and then brought to your wife to identify. I mean, I'm just projecting here, but I remember when my fiancee was murdered and I was a witness in court, And I remember the first moment that I saw keith bloody shirt. I walked in off the witness stand and was walking by state's council table and I saw his din of shirt covered in blood. I remember that moment. I don't remember a lot more about it, but I remember that moment. And his wife had to identify his fishing rod really well.

I don't know yet what he's going to face legally, because he has just been busted and shown up in a court of law. But how do you explain that to your children as they grow up and start to understand what you did to their mother and to them. But the level of planning goes beyond capsizing a kayak and leaving a brand new life preserver out in the water to be found. I mean, gregor remorse, You're in church on Sunday and then the next day you are leaving your fishing rod out in the water to be found and then brought to your wife to identify. I mean, I'm just projecting here, but I remember when my fiancee was murdered and I was a witness in court, And I remember the first moment that I saw keith bloody shirt. I walked in off the witness stand and was walking by state's council table and I saw his din of shirt covered in blood. I remember that moment. I don't remember a lot more about it, but I remember that moment. And his wife had to identify his fishing rod really well.

Again, those are powerful things. He's not going to be well liked by a jury if this were to go to a jury, which it's probably not going to. It's a misdemeanor. Also, his biggest consequence here is the family situation. How he's going to be perceived. He has to deal with that now. And he's you're right, he's a person who's weak, who had better options like talking to a therapist about these feelings instead of planning this ridiculous.

Again, those are powerful things. He's not going to be well liked by a jury if this were to go to a jury, which it's probably not going to. It's a misdemeanor. Also, his biggest consequence here is the family situation. How he's going to be perceived. He has to deal with that now. And he's you're right, he's a person who's weak, who had better options like talking to a therapist about these feelings instead of planning this ridiculous.

Escape. And he really.

Escape. And he really.

Started planning it well before, you know, when he got the insurance policy. As he said, he thought that would take care of his family. That's why he did it when he faked his death. So this is a guy, like a lot of people, Nancy, who put on a face and go around and hug and go to church and look like altruistic, great people, but behind the scenes they're just lost in you know, a real moron and a heartless person to his family.

Started planning it well before, you know, when he got the insurance policy. As he said, he thought that would take care of his family. That's why he did it when he faked his death. So this is a guy, like a lot of people, Nancy, who put on a face and go around and hug and go to church and look like altruistic, great people, but behind the scenes they're just lost in you know, a real moron and a heartless person to his family.

Corse morse two words, don't care. I don't care. He's not running from his sweet potato. Nobody's going to judge him. He's not part of the swimsuit competition. I don't care who likes him or doesn't like him. But these pitiful, empathetic charges are not enough. What about insurance fraud? For Pete's sake, didn't he hold on Christina Riyo. Didn't he get a three hundred and seventy five thousand dollars life insurance policy and then fake his own death of that? He did?

Corse morse two words, don't care. I don't care. He's not running from his sweet potato. Nobody's going to judge him. He's not part of the swimsuit competition. I don't care who likes him or doesn't like him. But these pitiful, empathetic charges are not enough. What about insurance fraud? For Pete's sake, didn't he hold on Christina Riyo. Didn't he get a three hundred and seventy five thousand dollars life insurance policy and then fake his own death of that? He did?

He got it back in January, seven months before, and it was for the purpose of taking care of his family. Again, he's trying to look like the good guy here, but he needed that money to take care of his family. So that, in effect is insurance fraud because he didn't die, he faked it. So I do believe that should be added on to it, should be an underlying factor, and he should get more than just a misdemeanor obstruction charge that faces ten thousand dollars fine and a mere nine months in prison.

He got it back in January, seven months before, and it was for the purpose of taking care of his family. Again, he's trying to look like the good guy here, but he needed that money to take care of his family. So that, in effect is insurance fraud because he didn't die, he faked it. So I do believe that should be added on to it, should be an underlying factor, and he should get more than just a misdemeanor obstruction charge that faces ten thousand dollars fine and a mere nine months in prison.

Guys, not only that there is more and very intricate planning. Listen through that.

Guys, not only that there is more and very intricate planning. Listen through that.

Forensic analyst. We recovered that he replaced his hard drive on the laptop. He cleared the browser on the day of his disappearance. He sent the laptop into the cloud. I don't know, I guess the level. He took photos of his passports. We found out that he moved funds to a foreign bank, changing this email.

Forensic analyst. We recovered that he replaced his hard drive on the laptop. He cleared the browser on the day of his disappearance. He sent the laptop into the cloud. I don't know, I guess the level. He took photos of his passports. We found out that he moved funds to a foreign bank, changing this email.

And communication with a woman and used back Gistan.

And communication with a woman and used back Gistan.

He took out a three hundred and seventy five thousand dollars life insurance policy in January, and he purchased earlining cards. Due to these discoveries of the new evidence, we were sure that Ryan was not in our.

He took out a three hundred and seventy five thousand dollars life insurance policy in January, and he purchased earlining cards. Due to these discoveries of the new evidence, we were sure that Ryan was not in our.

Link to Joseph Scott Morgan, forensic expert and professor of forensics. Now explain to me, Joe Scott Morgan, how valuable this information is that it's going to be a mass by an insurance investigator, a fraud investigator. What length did Bordwark go through to clean to wipe his computer?

Link to Joseph Scott Morgan, forensic expert and professor of forensics. Now explain to me, Joe Scott Morgan, how valuable this information is that it's going to be a mass by an insurance investigator, a fraud investigator. What length did Bordwark go through to clean to wipe his computer?

Yeah, he did, and the idea that he sink this with this cloud. As the sheriff had pointed out just a second ago. He didn't want to lose everything that he had all of that data, and he changed out the hard drive as well, So this this is something that requires some planning. He'd even created a new email address so that he could communicate with whomever. I think what's going to be interesting is when they begin to dig into what is contained on that cloud. And I think this goes to this earlier supposition talking about how they could come forward with potential insurance fraud charges here, which is going to be huge in this particular case. They're going to put this narrative together that he was purposed to defraud. At this point in time, it's not just about him banishing off the face of the planet, but it's also that he's trying to create a new life and leaving this other one behind, and he's really got itself into I don't know, as British would say, a bit of a sticky wicket here, because he can't escape this, this this.

Yeah, he did, and the idea that he sink this with this cloud. As the sheriff had pointed out just a second ago. He didn't want to lose everything that he had all of that data, and he changed out the hard drive as well, So this this is something that requires some planning. He'd even created a new email address so that he could communicate with whomever. I think what's going to be interesting is when they begin to dig into what is contained on that cloud. And I think this goes to this earlier supposition talking about how they could come forward with potential insurance fraud charges here, which is going to be huge in this particular case. They're going to put this narrative together that he was purposed to defraud. At this point in time, it's not just about him banishing off the face of the planet, but it's also that he's trying to create a new life and leaving this other one behind, and he's really got itself into I don't know, as British would say, a bit of a sticky wicket here, because he can't escape this, this this.

Digital top there. Just Scott, I don't appreciate the way you said he's got himself into or he landed into a sticky wicket. Okay, these just things didn't just happen. He didn't just fall into computer and insurance fraud. He did it himself. You know, you know you mommy of you, remimy of my fell in defendants who would say, miss Grace, I caught a drug charge. You caught it like somebody threw it at you, Like you were just standing there and suddenly you have a key low in your apartment.

Digital top there. Just Scott, I don't appreciate the way you said he's got himself into or he landed into a sticky wicket. Okay, these just things didn't just happen. He didn't just fall into computer and insurance fraud. He did it himself. You know, you know you mommy of you, remimy of my fell in defendants who would say, miss Grace, I caught a drug charge. You caught it like somebody threw it at you, Like you were just standing there and suddenly you have a key low in your apartment.

It happened.

It happened.

Can find himself in.

Can find himself in.

A sticky wicket that specifically, counselor was that he got himself into it. Okay, that's a move on his like.

A sticky wicket that specifically, counselor was that he got himself into it. Okay, that's a move on his like.

It's kind of an accident. Oh, I'm in a little bit of a mess.

It's kind of an accident. Oh, I'm in a little bit of a mess.

No, No, he's in a hell of a lot of mess.

No, No, he's in a hell of a lot of mess.

Here and we're learning to top it all off. Borgwart's wife, Emily, has filed for a legal separation. She did that the day after a Borgwart landed back on us soil. In her separation petition, I'm surprised it's not a divorce petition, she states the marriage is irretrievably broken, and she's right.

Here and we're learning to top it all off. Borgwart's wife, Emily, has filed for a legal separation. She did that the day after a Borgwart landed back on us soil. In her separation petition, I'm surprised it's not a divorce petition, she states the marriage is irretrievably broken, and she's right.

On August twelfth, twenty twenty four, our office received a call from the Dutch County Sheriff's office in reference to a subject that did not return home.

On August twelfth, twenty twenty four, our office received a call from the Dutch County Sheriff's office in reference to a subject that did not return home.

Ryan borg Ward fails to return from kayaking on Green Lake, and volunteers joined law enforcement in searching for the forty four year old father of three.

Ryan borg Ward fails to return from kayaking on Green Lake, and volunteers joined law enforcement in searching for the forty four year old father of three.

That search ended far far away when they found him slung up with is Zeuzbeki Hattie. I wonder what made him finally come home. Did he run out of money? Or was she not what he thought she would be? Was that it was she not all he dreamed? Whatever, he's busted. Now I've just got to see him again. Let's roll Borgwarts.

That search ended far far away when they found him slung up with is Zeuzbeki Hattie. I wonder what made him finally come home. Did he run out of money? Or was she not what he thought she would be? Was that it was she not all he dreamed? Whatever, he's busted. Now I've just got to see him again. Let's roll Borgwarts.

Good evening, it's raining borgwork today.

Good evening, it's raining borgwork today.

Hello man.

Hello man.

Today is November eleventh. It's approximately ten am by you guys. I'm in my apartment. I am see secure.

Today is November eleventh. It's approximately ten am by you guys. I'm in my apartment. I am see secure.

I hope this works safe secure, no problem, Well, I don't know about that, you know. Before I go back to Christina Awaio joining us from Sealing News Channel, let me go to a shrink, and boy do I need a shrink right now? To doctor Judy Hoe joining us.

I hope this works safe secure, no problem, Well, I don't know about that, you know. Before I go back to Christina Awaio joining us from Sealing News Channel, let me go to a shrink, and boy do I need a shrink right now? To doctor Judy Hoe joining us.

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Doctor Judy clinical forensic neuropsychologist, author of the New Rules of Attachment, and you can find her at doctor Judy Hooho dot com. Doctor Judy, thank you for being with us. You know, after my fiancees murder, I had a recurrent dream and the dream was that he wasn't really dead, that he was alive and he just went on a walk about, and that he came back. And in the dream, which happened over and over and over, I guess I was wrestling with his death, his murder. I don't know what I was wrestling with. I'm just a lawyer, I'm not a shrink doctor, Judy. But how could his wife possibly reconcile this? For so many days and nights she believed he was dead. Finds the kayak capsized, finds the life preserver floating in the water, Finds his fishing rod, which she has to identify, and has to think every night that his body is decomposing at the bottom two hundred and twenty five the below level of the light.

Doctor Judy clinical forensic neuropsychologist, author of the New Rules of Attachment, and you can find her at doctor Judy Hooho dot com. Doctor Judy, thank you for being with us. You know, after my fiancees murder, I had a recurrent dream and the dream was that he wasn't really dead, that he was alive and he just went on a walk about, and that he came back. And in the dream, which happened over and over and over, I guess I was wrestling with his death, his murder. I don't know what I was wrestling with. I'm just a lawyer, I'm not a shrink doctor, Judy. But how could his wife possibly reconcile this? For so many days and nights she believed he was dead. Finds the kayak capsized, finds the life preserver floating in the water, Finds his fishing rod, which she has to identify, and has to think every night that his body is decomposing at the bottom two hundred and twenty five the below level of the light.

Well, Nancy, because Borgwort spends so much time staging his own death, his wife, his poor wife, had to go through all of the stages of grief, from denial to anger, to depression to bargaining, well, maybe he's not dead. But as you mentioned, when we lose the ones that we love, oftentimes we're reflecting on the good times, what we could have said to them last, What was the last memory we had of them, and she's dealing with this as well as trying to help her three children process losing their dad. Of course, as a search is going on, there's that tiny sliver of hope. But as the days go on, the longer the days go on, the more people get involved, the more she's thinking this is hopeless. He's probably dead. We just have to accept it. And then to discover at the end of this journey that he did all of this so selfishly without regard, just because he wanted to have an affair. This is completely ridiculous and I feel so sad for the trauma that his wife and his three children have to go through now having to reconsider all of this and who is this person? Who is his dad or husband that we lived our entire lives with. It's not the person that they thought he was.

Well, Nancy, because Borgwort spends so much time staging his own death, his wife, his poor wife, had to go through all of the stages of grief, from denial to anger, to depression to bargaining, well, maybe he's not dead. But as you mentioned, when we lose the ones that we love, oftentimes we're reflecting on the good times, what we could have said to them last, What was the last memory we had of them, and she's dealing with this as well as trying to help her three children process losing their dad. Of course, as a search is going on, there's that tiny sliver of hope. But as the days go on, the longer the days go on, the more people get involved, the more she's thinking this is hopeless. He's probably dead. We just have to accept it. And then to discover at the end of this journey that he did all of this so selfishly without regard, just because he wanted to have an affair. This is completely ridiculous and I feel so sad for the trauma that his wife and his three children have to go through now having to reconsider all of this and who is this person? Who is his dad or husband that we lived our entire lives with. It's not the person that they thought he was.

And it's not just leaving for another woman, Doctor Judy Hoe. He left for a woman he had never met. He left for the idea of a woman. It just he hadn't even had an affair yet, he left because of somebody he was texting and emailing and and snapping with. To leave his wife and his children for what an idea.

And it's not just leaving for another woman, Doctor Judy Hoe. He left for a woman he had never met. He left for the idea of a woman. It just he hadn't even had an affair yet, he left because of somebody he was texting and emailing and and snapping with. To leave his wife and his children for what an idea.

That's exactly what happened It Basically, he was sick of his living his life, it seems, and he's, well, this is gonna be my better life. But as you mentioned, he doesn't have any experience with this woman. And I know that you've been questioning, well, why did he come back? Maybe he came back because, like you said, it wasn't the life that he thought it was gonna be. I mean, what was his next recourse if he didn't come back? Was he gonna design a third life? Was he gonna try to run off with another person that he hasn't had a relationship with, but has the idea that maybe this is gonna be the savior. I really don't know what he was thinking, but something dire must have been happening in his head and he thought this was gonna be the only solution. It is a ridiculous solution because you can't run away from whatever problems you're dealing with. They're gonna follow you wherever.

That's exactly what happened It Basically, he was sick of his living his life, it seems, and he's, well, this is gonna be my better life. But as you mentioned, he doesn't have any experience with this woman. And I know that you've been questioning, well, why did he come back? Maybe he came back because, like you said, it wasn't the life that he thought it was gonna be. I mean, what was his next recourse if he didn't come back? Was he gonna design a third life? Was he gonna try to run off with another person that he hasn't had a relationship with, but has the idea that maybe this is gonna be the savior. I really don't know what he was thinking, but something dire must have been happening in his head and he thought this was gonna be the only solution. It is a ridiculous solution because you can't run away from whatever problems you're dealing with. They're gonna follow you wherever.

Man. The wife is between a rock and hard spot because she's got her three children that would probably want their bio dad with them. But I gotta tell you something, Judy, how I would send him back to his Becks day and cod cash on delivery. She can pay for the postage. Here's another thing, doctor Judy. The money, the money. You know what you get a man, all right, maybe they're attractive, maybe they can dance, maybe they can speak flowery language to you and make you feel happy. But then they mess with the money. The money, the money that you work for, the money that you're gonna put in your children's education fund, your nest egg, your emergency money. This poc took the money. He didn't just leave to go have sex with a woman he's never met. Okay, that's bad enough, but worse, he took the money on nearly six thousand dollars plus everything he's spent to get over there. He took the money out of the children's fund for Pete's sake.

Man. The wife is between a rock and hard spot because she's got her three children that would probably want their bio dad with them. But I gotta tell you something, Judy, how I would send him back to his Becks day and cod cash on delivery. She can pay for the postage. Here's another thing, doctor Judy. The money, the money. You know what you get a man, all right, maybe they're attractive, maybe they can dance, maybe they can speak flowery language to you and make you feel happy. But then they mess with the money. The money, the money that you work for, the money that you're gonna put in your children's education fund, your nest egg, your emergency money. This poc took the money. He didn't just leave to go have sex with a woman he's never met. Okay, that's bad enough, but worse, he took the money on nearly six thousand dollars plus everything he's spent to get over there. He took the money out of the children's fund for Pete's sake.

Right, this is clearly not a person who was thinking at all about his family. Otherwise he wouldn't be essentially making a plan to ditch them forever. When you fake your own death, there's no coming back from that, right, I mean, in this case, obviously they discovered him, but if this plan actually went according to his own thoughts, then there is no coming back from that. You'll never see your children and wife again. Because they think you're dead. And even in that moment, how selfish is he to say, you know what, who cares about their future? I'm going to secure my own future taking that money. It's like, what kind of relationship did he even have with these children before? I'm so curious as to what the family dynamics were before he left. Did these children actually think he was a loving, doting father who had their best interests at heart. Well, now the children have to contend with that idea. I have a dad who doesn't love me. You know what that does to children's attachment and what they think about human beings and relationships in general. He could be creating a cascade of negative mental health outcomes for his children.

Right, this is clearly not a person who was thinking at all about his family. Otherwise he wouldn't be essentially making a plan to ditch them forever. When you fake your own death, there's no coming back from that, right, I mean, in this case, obviously they discovered him, but if this plan actually went according to his own thoughts, then there is no coming back from that. You'll never see your children and wife again. Because they think you're dead. And even in that moment, how selfish is he to say, you know what, who cares about their future? I'm going to secure my own future taking that money. It's like, what kind of relationship did he even have with these children before? I'm so curious as to what the family dynamics were before he left. Did these children actually think he was a loving, doting father who had their best interests at heart. Well, now the children have to contend with that idea. I have a dad who doesn't love me. You know what that does to children's attachment and what they think about human beings and relationships in general. He could be creating a cascade of negative mental health outcomes for his children.

And we learned that court records confirm Emily Borgwart's wife, who lives in Watertown, Wisconsin, has filed for separation almost immediately after he touched down on US soil. And the documents that the wife Emily filed in Dodge County Circuit Court, she said she wants full custody of their three children. Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

And we learned that court records confirm Emily Borgwart's wife, who lives in Watertown, Wisconsin, has filed for separation almost immediately after he touched down on US soil. And the documents that the wife Emily filed in Dodge County Circuit Court, she said she wants full custody of their three children. Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

Little forensic analysts of a laptop that we were given that we have found that he was in some place in Europe.

Little forensic analysts of a laptop that we were given that we have found that he was in some place in Europe.

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If you're viewing this. But there's a family that.

Wants okay, So how did the sheriff get him home? Listen, Christmas is going.

Wants okay, So how did the sheriff get him home? Listen, Christmas is going.

And what better gift he could give us kids? Has to be there for Christmas.

And what better gift he could give us kids? Has to be there for Christmas.

That from our friends at w l u k T. That's Fox eleven. Well Borgwartz has landed in a whole heap of trouble in court.

That from our friends at w l u k T. That's Fox eleven. Well Borgwartz has landed in a whole heap of trouble in court.

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Look state of Wisconsin versus why word work stand uppiers by district to trains your recent space. The found appears in person and cost to be even without the attorney. Sorry, if you received a copy.

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Of the criminal complaint, yes, n.

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You at me to read that to you or not? Internet's probable love received way of reading. Obstructing an officer faces an excellent penalty a ten thousand dollars fine, nine months in jail or all parton has youd be the terriminal complaint. That's why probable costs.

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For the chart and there's more. Listen to this guy, poor mouthing.

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Sir, what do you about the purpose on that?

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Those are the conditions who'd be released here today?

I had twenty dollars in my wallet and the other in himself.

I had twenty dollars in my wallet and the other in himself.

That's right from our friends at w l UK TV. That's Fox eleven. What he's got twenty dollars in his wallet. I hope they don't ask the wife to pay his court fees. Straight back out to the national news anchor Salem News Channel, Ryan Borgwart and court, those charges are not enough. I don't know who came up with those charges, But tell me what's happening now. Is it true he walked out on a five hundred dollars bond. That is true.

That's right from our friends at w l UK TV. That's Fox eleven. What he's got twenty dollars in his wallet. I hope they don't ask the wife to pay his court fees. Straight back out to the national news anchor Salem News Channel, Ryan Borgwart and court, those charges are not enough. I don't know who came up with those charges, But tell me what's happening now. Is it true he walked out on a five hundred dollars bond. That is true.

And I thought the very same thing when I first saw the charges. This is not enough for what he did, what he put everybody through, how much money he costs the county. But yes, they gave him. The judge gave him a five hundred dollars bond that he doesn't even have to pay unless he misses any court hearings. So what was interesting about that court hearing too, we talk about the emotional family impact of all of this, is his parents were in that courtroom. However, they didn't speak to him. He was let out through one set of doors by the bailiffs and the parents were let out the back door to avoid the reporters. Of course they probably didn't want to speak with them, but that emotional impact it's had on the family. Apparently it looks like he might be speaking to his parents. But he definitely deserves more than a five hundred dollars bond, and he should have had to pay it at least that if you can, he should be behind bars. He shouldn't be able to sit back there and think about what he's done. He just got back from a vacation from Europe, essentially hanging out with a woman that he left his family for, he faked his own death for. He should have to sit behind bars for a little while and think about what he has done. So that bond should have been higher and he should have been made to pay it.

And I thought the very same thing when I first saw the charges. This is not enough for what he did, what he put everybody through, how much money he costs the county. But yes, they gave him. The judge gave him a five hundred dollars bond that he doesn't even have to pay unless he misses any court hearings. So what was interesting about that court hearing too, we talk about the emotional family impact of all of this, is his parents were in that courtroom. However, they didn't speak to him. He was let out through one set of doors by the bailiffs and the parents were let out the back door to avoid the reporters. Of course they probably didn't want to speak with them, but that emotional impact it's had on the family. Apparently it looks like he might be speaking to his parents. But he definitely deserves more than a five hundred dollars bond, and he should have had to pay it at least that if you can, he should be behind bars. He shouldn't be able to sit back there and think about what he's done. He just got back from a vacation from Europe, essentially hanging out with a woman that he left his family for, he faked his own death for. He should have to sit behind bars for a little while and think about what he has done. So that bond should have been higher and he should have been made to pay it.

You know, I'm very curious, Christina didn't the judge say he was not a flight.

You know, I'm very curious, Christina didn't the judge say he was not a flight.

Risk, which was also interesting. How is this guy that faked his own death he planned it for seven months at least. How has this man that faked his own death and took off to Europe this intricate route of greyhound buses and hopping flights to Paris? How is he not a flight risk? Is it because he has twenty dollars in his pocket. How do we know he's not going to get money from this mystery woman overseas. How do we know he doesn't have a stash of money of those foreign accounts. We don't know any of this. So it doesn't make any sense to me that he is not a flight risk, considering that the very reason he's sitting in court is because he hopped out of the country.

Risk, which was also interesting. How is this guy that faked his own death he planned it for seven months at least. How has this man that faked his own death and took off to Europe this intricate route of greyhound buses and hopping flights to Paris? How is he not a flight risk? Is it because he has twenty dollars in his pocket. How do we know he's not going to get money from this mystery woman overseas. How do we know he doesn't have a stash of money of those foreign accounts. We don't know any of this. So it doesn't make any sense to me that he is not a flight risk, considering that the very reason he's sitting in court is because he hopped out of the country.

To Greg Moore's high profile lawyer, joining us at a palm beach. This is another issue. Of course, he can be prosecuted for insurance fraud. That would be a felony given the amount of three hundred and seventy five thousand dollars. But this is unequal treatment under the law. That's due process is a fourteenth Amendment ringing a bell in your head, Morse, let me point out a couple of people that ended up going to jail for piccadillos like this, and I'll start with the one that just got Morgan brought up earlier, Jennifer will Banks.

To Greg Moore's high profile lawyer, joining us at a palm beach. This is another issue. Of course, he can be prosecuted for insurance fraud. That would be a felony given the amount of three hundred and seventy five thousand dollars. But this is unequal treatment under the law. That's due process is a fourteenth Amendment ringing a bell in your head, Morse, let me point out a couple of people that ended up going to jail for piccadillos like this, and I'll start with the one that just got Morgan brought up earlier, Jennifer will Banks.

This is a hysteria with regard to Ryan Bordrot. Everybody thinks people should go to prison for every indiscretion. This is absurd. The judge was absolutely right. He is not a flight risk. He came back on his own, dave his passport up to the court. These people called the police. He's also maybe you could charge him with attempted insurance fraud him up.

This is a hysteria with regard to Ryan Bordrot. Everybody thinks people should go to prison for every indiscretion. This is absurd. The judge was absolutely right. He is not a flight risk. He came back on his own, dave his passport up to the court. These people called the police. He's also maybe you could charge him with attempted insurance fraud him up.

What do you mean passport? He's already made a copy and used it to get into Canada and then leave the country. And the only reason about the money is because he's spent it all.

What do you mean passport? He's already made a copy and used it to get into Canada and then leave the country. And the only reason about the money is because he's spent it all.

But you're well one, these are middle income people. It seems he had five thousand dollars, which the story is reported were his life savings. So all you're going to do by keeping this guy in jail on this nonsense charge in this this ridiculous situation that is not serious criminally, is to destroy his family even further because he can't work.

But you're well one, these are middle income people. It seems he had five thousand dollars, which the story is reported were his life savings. So all you're going to do by keeping this guy in jail on this nonsense charge in this this ridiculous situation that is not serious criminally, is to destroy his family even further because he can't work.

But you're not getting to me, Brandt. Could you straighten out Greg Remorse? IRV Brandt. I know Greg Remorse is just doing the party line about his innocent blah blah blah. But what about all the money and expense and the danger that was incurred trying to find him? You know what we just talked about Jennifer Wilbanks, it's so called runaway bride. What about Carly Russell or listen.

But you're not getting to me, Brandt. Could you straighten out Greg Remorse? IRV Brandt. I know Greg Remorse is just doing the party line about his innocent blah blah blah. But what about all the money and expense and the danger that was incurred trying to find him? You know what we just talked about Jennifer Wilbanks, it's so called runaway bride. What about Carly Russell or listen.

Alabama nursing student carl Russell calls nine to one one to report a stranded toddler on the side of a busy highway, describing the toddler as three to four years old and only wearing a diaper, walking alone on I four fifty nine in the Birmingham Metro. Russell ben calls her brother's girlfriend, tells her she's watching the toddler until police arrive, but the call ends abruptly. Police arrived at the spot Russell called from and find her wigs, cell phone, and purse on the roadway near the vehicle, But Carly Russell is gone and.

Alabama nursing student carl Russell calls nine to one one to report a stranded toddler on the side of a busy highway, describing the toddler as three to four years old and only wearing a diaper, walking alone on I four fifty nine in the Birmingham Metro. Russell ben calls her brother's girlfriend, tells her she's watching the toddler until police arrive, but the call ends abruptly. Police arrived at the spot Russell called from and find her wigs, cell phone, and purse on the roadway near the vehicle, But Carly Russell is gone and.

We're learning to top it all off, Emily Borgart's wife has filed for separation.

We're learning to top it all off, Emily Borgart's wife has filed for separation.

Caitlin Armstrong murders pro cyclist Moe Wilson after Wilson goes out with Armstrong's boyfriend. Armstrong flees town right after the murder, using multiple identities, changing her hair color and style, and even gets a nose job. Flying from Texas to New York to Costa Rica. US marshals take a flyer and run an ad in Costa Rica. She's arrested and flown back to Texas, where she's tried, convicted, and sentenced to life in prison.

Caitlin Armstrong murders pro cyclist Moe Wilson after Wilson goes out with Armstrong's boyfriend. Armstrong flees town right after the murder, using multiple identities, changing her hair color and style, and even gets a nose job. Flying from Texas to New York to Costa Rica. US marshals take a flyer and run an ad in Costa Rica. She's arrested and flown back to Texas, where she's tried, convicted, and sentenced to life in prison.

Brandt remember our target, Taitlin Armstrong, now convicted of murder. Do you remember what she put the US marshals through?

Brandt remember our target, Taitlin Armstrong, now convicted of murder. Do you remember what she put the US marshals through?

I do remember, Nancy. It was an extensive search and it was very, very manpower intensive. That case, when it goes international, takes a lot of time and effort by multiple agencies to conduct the search in the same way that the search that we're talking about today. And I disagree with defense counsel that he is in a flight risk. This man did an elaborate plan to fake his own death. This wasn't a spur of the moment thing. This was a very detailed, well planned out scheme to make people believe that he was dead. Then he left the country.

I do remember, Nancy. It was an extensive search and it was very, very manpower intensive. That case, when it goes international, takes a lot of time and effort by multiple agencies to conduct the search in the same way that the search that we're talking about today. And I disagree with defense counsel that he is in a flight risk. This man did an elaborate plan to fake his own death. This wasn't a spur of the moment thing. This was a very detailed, well planned out scheme to make people believe that he was dead. Then he left the country.

I mean, I'm just thinking it through, or Brent, let me throw this to Judy Hoe, clinical forensic neuropsychologist to go through all of this, the wife thinking he's dead at the bottom of a lake, trying to explain it to the little boys, all just to have sex. It's just it's mind boggling that you would do that to your family and incur all the danger and expanse to law enforcement trying to find him.

I mean, I'm just thinking it through, or Brent, let me throw this to Judy Hoe, clinical forensic neuropsychologist to go through all of this, the wife thinking he's dead at the bottom of a lake, trying to explain it to the little boys, all just to have sex. It's just it's mind boggling that you would do that to your family and incur all the danger and expanse to law enforcement trying to find him.

And Nancy, we're trying to understand this from the perspectives.

And Nancy, we're trying to understand this from the perspectives.

Of reasonable people.

Of reasonable people.

This is obviously not reasonable. This is an incredulous attempt to get away at a situation that you're not happy about. That's fine, you're not happy with your marriage. Maybe you're not happy right now being a father, You're going through a midlife crisis, whatever the case may be.

This is obviously not reasonable. This is an incredulous attempt to get away at a situation that you're not happy about. That's fine, you're not happy with your marriage. Maybe you're not happy right now being a father, You're going through a midlife crisis, whatever the case may be.

This is an obvious crisis man in their midlife crises. I'm uh, you know what Joe Scott Morgan jumping off what doctor Gudy just said. With the degree of planning, the technical expertise, and you know you've been on plenty of homicide or missing people investigations, you know what it's like. But then the stunner of finding out he's alive and well and someone's bed at his Bekistan for Pete's like and cash this Joe Scott talked about evidence. He was apparently speaking to law enforcement on FaceTime every day.

This is an obvious crisis man in their midlife crises. I'm uh, you know what Joe Scott Morgan jumping off what doctor Gudy just said. With the degree of planning, the technical expertise, and you know you've been on plenty of homicide or missing people investigations, you know what it's like. But then the stunner of finding out he's alive and well and someone's bed at his Bekistan for Pete's like and cash this Joe Scott talked about evidence. He was apparently speaking to law enforcement on FaceTime every day.

Yeah, to what degree do you want to try to disappear if you're not actually going to disappear? And he went to great links. Nancy. Remember you know, listen, I'll speak as a man here. You know, carry a wallet, right and He even sacrificed that he leaves this behind in the tackle box in order to give the impression that credit cards, driver's license, his car keys, they're all gone. They're sinking to the bottom, along allegedly with his body, which of course never pops up out of the water, which is something that we would be very interested in seeing if we were searching for a body that might be in a lake and it's not turning up. So you could smell a rat early on in this. But he did go to great links, Nancy in order to try to facilitate this, but he wound up not being able to finish the deal relative to bring this to a conclusion. He didn't just fall off of the map here, and we've had a lot of cases over the years where people did actually fall off the map. Hell, there's people all out there right now that folks are still looking for. This guy did a miserable job at attempting to do this, and all along the way he winds up destroying his children's lives, not to mention his wives.

Yeah, to what degree do you want to try to disappear if you're not actually going to disappear? And he went to great links. Nancy. Remember you know, listen, I'll speak as a man here. You know, carry a wallet, right and He even sacrificed that he leaves this behind in the tackle box in order to give the impression that credit cards, driver's license, his car keys, they're all gone. They're sinking to the bottom, along allegedly with his body, which of course never pops up out of the water, which is something that we would be very interested in seeing if we were searching for a body that might be in a lake and it's not turning up. So you could smell a rat early on in this. But he did go to great links, Nancy in order to try to facilitate this, but he wound up not being able to finish the deal relative to bring this to a conclusion. He didn't just fall off of the map here, and we've had a lot of cases over the years where people did actually fall off the map. Hell, there's people all out there right now that folks are still looking for. This guy did a miserable job at attempting to do this, and all along the way he winds up destroying his children's lives, not to mention his wives.

We wait as justice unfolds for Ryan Borgwart, but I gotta tell you, justice for Borgwart may end up hurting the family and the children even more, but that is not a consideration for a lady Justice. Nancy Grace signing off, I'll see you tomorrow night at sixty nine o'clock sharp Eastern, and until then, good nights.

We wait as justice unfolds for Ryan Borgwart, but I gotta tell you, justice for Borgwart may end up hurting the family and the children even more, but that is not a consideration for a lady Justice. Nancy Grace signing off, I'll see you tomorrow night at sixty nine o'clock sharp Eastern, and until then, good nights.