Gabby Petito was strangled by her then boyfriend Brian Laundrie while the pair were on a cross-country van trip. The FBI report states that Laundrie confesses to the murder in a hand written notebook, found near the remains of Laundrie's body after he committed suicide. According to the report, Laundrie tried to cover up Petito's death by using the woman's debit card, and then also sending text messages from her phone, to give the impression that Gabby was still alive. During the trip, a domestic violence episode was caught on Moab police body cam, after a 911 call came in reporting a man slapping a woman.
The footage shows Petito was injured with scratches and bruises. Police determined however that Petito was the aggressor, after she admitted hitting Laundrie. The pair was separated for the night, with no domestic violence counseling.
Petito's family filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the Moab Police Department. Utah's 7th District Court Judge Don Torgerson dismissed the case, citing governmental immunity. Torgerson said he is bound to follow the law as it currently exists and follow rulings of other courts. The Petito's attorney argued to end just the police immunity. He added the Court of Appeals has the authority to determine whether the governmental immunity law is constitutional.
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Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Can the family of murder victim a beautiful young girl, Gabby Petito bring a wrongful death lawsuit against the Moat Police Department for Gabby's death. If you will recall, Gabby and her killer slash fiance, Brian Laundry, were pulled over by Moab police. Witnesses had seen Brian Laundry hitting Gabby in the face. Yet after Brian Laundry takes off in the car and Gabby Potito's for a transit, almost leaving her behind, she had to try and jump in the car window. He was leaving not only in her for transit, but everything she owned in the world. She had single handedly customized the transit for a cross country trip in the heat of the moment. After hitting her in the face, he tries to drive off with her transit at all her worldly belongings. She finally gets in and not too far out of the city, she's pulled over along with Laundry who's driving, and believe it or not, the Moa police name her as the aggressor and let them go. It was within hours that Gabby Petito was murdered by her violent fiancee, Brian laundry. So bottom line, can her family sue the Moa Police Department? Well, as of right now, believe it or not, the answer is no. But let me get I predict this case ain't over yet and that it will become extremely complicated and contentious. Remember this happened in Moab, Utah. The Utah Seventh District Court Judge Don Torgerson agreed with the city of Moab. They requested that the Gabby Potito family motion be dismissed, and the judge went along with it. He basically said, this is too big for a district court to decide, and appeals courts will have to determine if the Potitos had a case. Now, many people argue that Judge Torgerson had no choice but grant the request to dismiss the case based on something called governmental immunity. It's also called sovereign immunity, which dates all the way back to our common law from Great Britain. The king can do no wrong. In other words, you can't sue the king and hear you can't sue the government. So what of the Potatoes are asking is for the judge to rule against sovereign immunity. Well, I think everybody else is wrong. I think Torgersen could have gone along with the Potatos, but he hid behind his robes and decided not to act. Let's do a little reality check about what happened to Gabby Potito. Take a listen to our friend Jenna Dangeli's at CBS two.
An emotional mother holding on to a photo of her daughter is desperate for her to come home.
Scary and nerve wrecking. We don't sleep, We're just actively looking for her.
Gabby Potito's family reported her missing Saturday to Suffolk County Police. The twenty two year old with blue point was on a cross country road trip, but kept in touch with her mom at.
Least three times a week. We've been FaceTime called tex frequently. She kept me updated on this whole trip.
Her mother says they last facetimed about three weeks ago. The last text she received was on August thirtieth.
The first couple.
Of days, though I wasn't getting responses.
I believe she was in a place with no service.
It took it was like day eight and nine that I really became concerned.
I've been on that exact route before with the twins in an RV and the mom is right. There are a lot of desk spots where you can't get a sale to call out. We're looking at behavioral evidence. How many days had passed before mom realized something was wrong? Take a listen to our friends at CBS two.
Police say she's believed to have last been in Wyoming's Grand Teetown National Park. Video of the trip was uploaded to YouTube August nineteenth. Her mother says she left New York early July for the trip, which was set to end in Oregon next month. She was traveling in his white van, which police say has been recovered.
I just believe she's in danger because is she not in touch with us and she could be alone somewhere, She could be stranded somewhere in the wilderness and.
She needs help. Well, is that what happened? Does she and her boyfriend have an argument and he she stormed off? Did he just leaver stranded? My question is why is he not being forthcoming and telling the story as to what happened to Gabrielle? As I told you, the van is found in his parents' driveway back in Florida. But no, Gabby, how did it all start? Take a listen to April Baker Fox thirteen.
Gabby is originally from New York, but she was living in Florida with her fiance at the time they took off on the road trip back in July. Her family tells Fox News that the couple touring national parks and a converted camper van before heading to Salt Lake City. The couple actually documented most of their trip on Instagram and YouTube. You're seeing it here, some of it showing them hanging out in a tent outside Capital Reef. Gabby's mom, Nicole, says she last spoke on the phone with her daughter August twenty fifth.
That's very critical as a matter of fact, because that travel on video, which I have watched over and over and over, it's call I think nomadic static with the K, static with the K and it's very engrossing. It makes you want to be with them on the camp or this beautiful, wonderful trip. But it's critical to me because her last Instagram posting linked to that video, and that's really the last day as I understand the timeline that we know her to be safe and alive about the video. Take a listen to her video Van Life. Take a tiny listen. Yeah, I mean Pa never goes outside. You know, you hear this beautiful, whimsical music throughout and it shows them traveling the country. A lot of the shots our video as they're you know, looking out the window as they're flying past desert. They went to the Delicate Arch, they went to the Mystic Hot Springs, They covered everything beautiful in the West. How did it all go so horribly wrong? With me? An all star panel to try to make some sense of what we know right now?
With me?
Renowned trial attorney you know her well, Kathleen Murphy joining us out of North Carolina. You can find her at NC Domestic Law dot com. Karen is Stark, you know her well. She is a psychologist, joining us out of Manhattan at Karenstark dot com on Facebook Karen Stark. That's with a c who hasized nearly every high profile criminal case that I can think of. Joining me Lisa M. Daddio, a former police lieutenant. And you have a police department lecturer and the director of the Center for Advanced Policing in be Haven and Emmy Award winning investigative reporter Christy Missourich. Christy, let's start at the beginning, tell me about how the road trip. With the inception of the road.
Trip, they were living together in Florida, and this boyfriend promotes himself as a nature enthusiast's.
Stop, what do you? May promote himself well.
On Facebook, in all of his other social media he promotes himself as a nature enthusiast and believes that getting bug bites out in the beauty of the world are better than being brainwashed by the media his words.
What's wrong with that? You say it like there's something wrong with being a nature enthusiast? And I want to ask you, is nature enthusiast? Are those your words? Are his words?
His words? His words?
And nature? Can I ask you this? What does he do for a living other than be enthusiastic about nature?
Working at a public's grocery store?
Okay, Oh, I'm glad you said that, because they both worked at publics. But that's not where they met. Okay, I'm interrupting you.
Go ahead?
Will They originally meet in New York State and then he leaves with his parents to go to Florida. She follows a few years later, so earlier this summer, they decide that they are going to leave all of their valuables behind and transform this van into a mini camper, travel up to see her brother graduate in New York State, and then cross the country on this excursion.
Now it's my understanding. Christy, Missouri. They knew each other way back way back home in Suffolk County.
Then she.
Goes. Then they meet each other again years later, slightly meeting an old high school friend, and they fall in love. He moves to Florida, she comes down with him. Her father, her bio dad, also moves to Florida to be near her. The mom and her new husband stay in New York. Is my understanding, and then they travel back to New York for her little brother's high school graduation, and from there they commence the road trip Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. In the last hours, a judge dismisses Gabby Petito's family suit against the Moab Police. I think it's completely wrong, but it happened. A Disha Court judge dismissed the case against the Moab Police Department. Now Justin Burton, who is Gab's family lawyer, argued the ability to file a suit like this is built into the Utah Constitution and that the government immunity. As I was describing earlier, sovereign immunity is unconstitutional, completely unconstitutional. Now, the judge, as I've seen so many times before, this is Judge Don Torttersen goes to great links to explain before he dismissed it how he had to follow the law. Well, if this is the lawn, the law is an ass okay, and Torgerson went along with it. What happened, Sharon Stark? It looks like something off HGTV where they have people that live they redo a little house or a house on wheels, or traveling campers, and you're on the room and it's so amazing and it's escapist, but this was their real life. Gabby Gabrielle and boyfriend Laundry go on this What's in a lifetime fantastic trip and they video blog it and the blog is engrossing in one part. Karen, I mean, I watched the whole thing, which is rare for me. She's in her tent. She says, we're going to hang out at the campsite today and it all looks so cozy and perfect, and you can see this beautiful natural scenery that most of us just dream of seeing one day in the background and then one day it's raining and she's holding the tent up like that because she says the rain's coming in and she's laughing. She's just so happy and it makes you want to go along with them. She's got a very inviting personality.
She's totally engrossing, and the whole trip. The only thing that's what makes it so mysterious and upsetting to think about how beautiful is coming across and she totally disappeared. And Nancy, when you watched that, the only thing that you can find is that she talks about how precarious it is that they like to climb, and they really like to climb things that are difficult.
You know, that's so funny, funny. Odd. I was up super early this morning studying about Gabrielle Gabby and was discussing it with my friend Medea, and she said, well, what if they were posting on a cliff and Gabby fell off? And my response was that could possibly have happened, But why would he get in the van and come all the way back home to Florida. Is it north Port or North north Point, Christy Masurich, It's north Port Port Port.
Nancy, to your point of all the cliff climbing. On August twenty third, Gabby didn't post on Instagram that the pair were doing adventurous and risky hikes through some dangerous terrain during their stay. That was one of her last posts.
You know, back to you, Karen, with that knowledge. You know, Christy massourk is right, the hiking was very forcarious. As a matter of fact, if that happened, why would he drive all the way back to Northport, Florida, which I think is Sarasota County and not say a word to anybody if she fell off a cliff, or even if they had an argument, Karen and she's like, I'm not going anymore, this is it and leaves number one? Why would he leave or stranded if that's what happened, but to come all the way back home and not tell everybody what happened.
Either this is really a nefarious character and he planned something all along, or he went into shock. Something really did happen to her and he.
Couldn't cope with it and not a hand Karen, Karen, Karen, Karen, Karen, Karen. If he could drive across country and operate a van having to stop, I guess for gas or food. That's not a shock to me. When you're in shock, you can't think straight.
Not necessarily.
He could get himself home. He could have punished. And that's the only thing I could think of that would make sense out of it. Unless he actually had planned all.
Along to do something.
I don't believe that there was a plan all along to do something. I don't believe that. Guys. Take a listen to our cut five. I loved it.
So we are right outside Capital Reef right now in a free dispersed camp spot. And we've been lucky so far at all the places we stayed, but I say this is one of the best so far. Since we left in New York, I've only set up my Hammick ones. They were all do way in Utah, and luckily enough, I was able to setup my handmack.
One of these trees, and they're kind of like in the desert.
I heard a few trees.
It just sounds so beautiful. And I also noticed, straight out to you, Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina trial lawyer Kathleen, I noticed throughout he spoke very little. It's mostly her shooting the video and speaking. He did occasionally speak, but I want to know what you make of it, Kathleen.
Well, first, Nancy, I went and tried to do a deep dive on who this guy is. In all of his social media accounts, there's nothing. Prior to meeting this young lady. I knew nothing about him except what.
He is like with this young lady.
I did, and.
It's concerning to me that we don't know much.
And you know, I have a daughter about the same age and I know her boyfriend pretty well.
And I went and deep dived on his social media account.
I can't find anything about this young guy before he met this girl.
How old is Well, from what we understand, he is a twenty three year old young man. That's my understanding of his age, Kathleen, twenty three.
He looks a lot older on his pictures, but it seems to me that he would have high school pictures and work pictures and family pictures out there. But I didn't find anything, and so I don't really know if the family knows much about him.
Well, I would think that they do. Christy, Missouri, because my understanding of how the two knew each other is they knew each other previously, and there's not much previously. The only she's only twenty two, so she had to know him in high school or college. She had to know him at that point. Then they reconnect and then fall in love. That's my understanding. So the family had to know him if she knew him in her past.
She's only twenty two, correct, they didn't go to high school together, and they knew Brian in passing in passing and when they reconnected, they time gave the duel their blessing. That's why her biological father moved down to Florida to be close to them.
Listen to Nicole Schmidt is Gabby's mother, and Jim Schmidt, her stepfather, at their most recent press conference. When she left, what did she say, like Cima, we sit on my height? What did she what was it like?
We hig?
We gave them some money, so you know they needed it because they're kids. You know, they were excited.
About the truth.
They left on July second from New York. What was the hardest of the trip?
On the many what are they wanted to do?
Camping, hiking, seeing the country?
What was both truth?
The trip was the end in October and Shortland Oregon.
And what was the last conversation you had with her on video chat?
Whether she's say, I believe it was around the twenty third and for the twenty fourth I can't recall, but she was having a great time.
She said she was headed up to Wyoming. So the last time that we see her they were facetiming, to my understanding, was around let's give it the benefit of the doubt, August twenty four. She was not reported missing by her family until September eleven. Why well, you heard the mother stating that she thought Gabby had gone into a remote area where there's no cell phone coverage, so she chalked it off. Now, they were speaking every three days or so by FaceTime, and her bio dad was also speaking to her. So the first three days past and she thinks, well, she's in a bad cell area. Then we get to the next three days as she still does not.
Hear from her.
So you go August twenty four, you pass six days, you're now at August thirty. Then she finds out, to my understanding, that the boyfriend comes back home on September eleven in the van with no Gabby. That is when she not the boyfriend reports Gabby missing. I don't like it. I don't like it one bit. A judge has granted the defense motion to dismiss the family of Gabby Potito's lawsuit against Moab Police Department. It was a virtual hearing in the last hours. The state argued a lawsuit like this should not be filed against the Moab PD because of sovereign immunity. The king can do no wrong. It's a holdover from Anglo Saxon common law that we brought with us when we settled America from Great Britain. Well, I got a curve ball for you, judge. If this is the law, then the laws asked, do I need to jog your memory, Judge Jorgerson, about what happened to Gabby Potito? Okay, I will. I want you to take a listen to what we know about the van showing up. Take a listen to our cut twenty four. It's Evan Exelbank. Our friends at Fox thirteen.
Police found the van that they were potentially by the boyfriend's parents. They're now processing that. They've toted it away and are looking through it for any evidence they can find. Family in New York say that Gabrielle Pateto was on a cross country trip, leaving Long Island on July tewod They were headed to Oregon, but stoppering numerous places along the way, documenting their journey in their van on YouTube. Family last spoke with her August twenty fourth or twenty fifth, and last texted.
With her August thirtieth.
She was reported missing this weekend September eleventh, and they may have reached as far as Grand Teton National Park.
What happened that fateful moment when Moap police ignored all the signs that Gabby Berttita was a domestic violence victim, named her the aggressor, and sent her along her way with her killer body cam video. Let's go Tyler, if you could play cut to zero eight. This is Adrian Banker Muse Nation now.
Biddi camera video has been released from Gabby Patito and Brian Laundry's heated exchange in Utah back in August, and it. Patito admits she hit Laundry first, but that then he grabbed her face after and dug his nails into her face. The officer is heard on this camera footage this video footage telling Laundry that he is the victim of domestic assault.
The police chief has taken a sudden leave of absence, and now the city is looking into how the police officers involved handled the situation when they were called to stop there with Gabby and with Brian, and many people criticizing this incident because the police called Brian the victim in this situation.
Let me go straight out to Marsacaiety joining us WFLATV. How come we didn't say that bodycam video to start with.
Great question, A great question and a question that we're asking. And another question, is there any other bodycam video that we haven't seen yet. There's a female law enforcement officer on that scene, and she is according to the two bodycam videos that we have seen already, she does appear to be talking with Gabby alone while Gabby is in the back of that police cruiser. You know, sometimes a girl might reveal more information to another to another woman, So it'd be very interesting to see if there's any other bodycam video and feel free to chime in. But I did think I saw possibly a camera on her uniform, so that's one big question. But really the new thing that happened when this video was released the officer says, quote, did he hit you though, And she says, I guess yeah, but I hit him first, and she kind of breaks down. She says, he grabbed my face. He didn't punch me, but he grabbed.
Me with his mail.
I definitely have a cut it.
When I touch.
It, it burns.
So this is what was new Gabby saying very clearly that he also assaulted her in this way. This is something that we did not hear as clearly.
Let's try to play the entirety of cut to eleven the Moa Police Department second body cam footage that we didn't see initially after lock out.
He walked away to take it either, but I wanted to sit in the car because there was all myself in.
The car.
And I was working on something at the moment in the car and I don't want to relax. So I got.
Happen here. It's like, did you get hit in the face?
I would hitting you in.
The face, an over on your arm, shoulder just this new huh, new mark.
That's the other side of the face.
So what happens here?
And here.
I'm I'm sure you.
Find so the back gotcha?
So she has a bruise and a cut on her face, a bruise on her left arm, yet she was deemed the aggressor. If Laundry had been arrested right then and there for domestic violence in Moab, would Gabby be alive today?
I'm doctor brin Blue County, Wyoming Corner. After a detailed investigation by our forensic pathologists or anthropologist and over the law enforcement with assistance from the FBI the Teton County Corners offices following the fallen Verdon in a manner of death of Gabrielle Noora Patito, we find the cause and manner of the cause death by strangulation and manner is homicide to investigate.
A reporter with w FLA TV joining me right now. Massa's Society on the case from the very beginning. Were you surprised at all with what the car owner said strangulation death?
I mean, it has been just an absolutely heartbreaking day. We know that the Petito family knew this was coming, that officials were in.
Touch with them.
But as you said, we just learned from the Titan County Corner that Gabby Petito was strangled. It's unclear if it was manual or with an object. We also learned that her body had been outside in the wilderness, likely for three to four weeks before it was discovered.
We had no other information about.
Her remains, as you mentioned right off the top, Nancy, any potential prior injuries, that the body had been moved, none of that. The Chutung County corner doctor Brent Blue kept saying that his job was only to determine the cause of death and the manner of death. Reporters were peppering him with tons of questions. Everyone was asking him about Brian Laundry, about the potential suspect, and he kept saying that he could reveal nothing about the success. But then he made a statement that to me was stunning. He said, unfortunately, and I'm quoting here, he said, this is only one of many deaths around the country of people who were involved and domestic violence. And when he said that, that just struck me because he said he couldn't reveal anything about the suspects. But then he made that statement to.
Doctor angel Arnold, psychiatrist joining us out of Atlanta at ANGELA Arnold MD dot com. What do you think we have finally learned the cause of death, not manner cause she was strangled. And I guarantee you it was manual. When I say manual vligator, I mean ligature is with a pair of pantyhose or stocking or a scar. Manual is with your hands. Yes, go ahead, Dodger, Nancy.
This is what I have been saying all along.
True.
The domestic violence, the intimate partner violence that was going on. He slapped her, that was the last thing we saw.
We have it on.
They have hurt him a knitting to that strangulation. Strangulation happens over time, Okay, the violence becomes more severe. This is what was going on in this situation. My thought is, I don't know, maybe they had another altercation in the van.
Y think you say they.
Got out of the band warden and he's female warden that said, hey, you need to rethink whether you want to go forward this guy. It's toxic.
Do you remember that, Cheryl Nancy?
I remember, And that's one of the things that makes me so hard.
I mean, now you've got complete strangers coming up to her and saying, hey, little girl, this is bad. You need to get out of this. And now she's dead by manual strangulation.
There's two things that happened in that instant, that female officer saying to her, your relationship being toxic, and during that event, right there on the side of the road, her calling her parents, let's.
Look back at that Moab August twelfth incident as it's been being called. When finally she revealed that Ryan Laundry grabbed her by the face and I can just see that hand going down to her neck. I mean, can anybody but me visualize this happening to her? I mean, she's basically told us what happened, and you know.
What Laundry said. Nancy Laundry said that she lost her balance but was able to scratch his face, just what we were talking about before. So both of them, in some sense give us some of the clues that we're looking for now.
Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Gabby's family begged the court to end police immunity, not for the whole government, but just police immunity in a fifty million dollar lawsuit against the MOEIPD, noting that before she died, Moab police were called to a domestic violence complaint involving the pair. Gabby's family insists responding officers did not take the complaint seriously, The Moai police insists that Gabby Petito, this waif weighs about one hundred and five pounds versus Brian Laundry approaching two hundred pounds, she was the aggressor. Did they miss every classic symptom of battering that she was abused? The denial, the hysterical crying, the desire not to be separated, the taking, the blame herself, explaining away her own injuries, ignoring the nine one one call that had just happened for a witness outside, I believe the Moonflower co Op Cafe saw Brian Laundry hitting her in the face on the street and broad daylight, and still, even with that knowledge, called her the aggressor. Okay, you know what I want you to take a listen to is very very disturbing to me. It start cut four twenty eight is Nate Carlyle at Fox thirteen.
Here on what's labeled page two, the captain takes a moment to ponder, would Gabby be alive today if this case was handled differently? That is an impossible question to answer. For his part, Krett told the captain, who worried taking Patito to jail, would in bulk and laundry. So if he's going to go bail her out, is he not going to have more control over her now? Pratts quoted as saying, well, I've said it would adopt the recommendations to improve training and added domestic violence specialist to oversee incidents investigated by its officers.
So they're still sticking with They're going down with the ship. They refused to admit, they screwed up, they had laundry, They did nothing, and they let him go and now she's dead.
Jump intow what I used to teach domestic violence at police academies in Florida. One of the things that's mandated, certainly in Florida and is now mandated everywhere is to arrest one of the parties. And there's even legislation that prohibits individuals from suing the police if they arrest the wrong person. So back at that time that this happened, they should have arrested either one or both of these individuals and that would have resolved the problem at least for a moment.
Tell me about the Moai police and the investigation by the neighboring county. I believe it was Price County.
Yeah, it was Price police who did the investigation. The Moab Police department is very small, and then the chief takeaways from the investigation into their handling of the traffic stop or the domestic violence stop.
Was that these officers involved need more training and they should go back on probation. And you know, if a small department, they're probably not trained as a lot of the big city departments were used to dealing with. So they're saying, hindsighty's twenty twenty, we had no idea that Brian was a killer. And that's the point that they're sticking to.
Well, I agree with that. I agree with them on that, But in this day and age, I mean, women are beaten all across the world. It doesn't matter if you're in a small town or a big city like New York City. It doesn't matter if you dropped out of school in the sixth grader, if you've got your PHID. It doesn't matter if you make two hundred thousand dollars a year, or you make thirty thousand dollars a year, or if you have one child, no children, or six children. It doesn't matter. Women are abused, beaten, senseless across the board. None of that socio economic distinctions, none of them matter period. That has been proven statistically. So the fact that Moi Police is a small jurisdiction, does that mean the women there aren't getting beaten behind closed doors? No, it does not. And right there on the main street, Michael Luis, we have a witness calling nine one one that Gabby is getting beaten basically on main street in broad daylight. What they couldn't check that out and figure out this is Gabby?
Oh.
I spoke with quite a few experts on the legal side, in the law enforcement side, and you know, they found the report a little bit lacking. They thought the findings might not have been as as severe as they could be.
Okay, let us talk about what you just said, Michael Luiz, Okay, okay, let me get to my notes. I never saw any photos that they took of Gabby's injury to her face. They mentioned it in their BODYCM, but I didn't see any video.
Did you They talk about them, Yeah, you're right, they talk about him in the body cam, but there's no documentation of them.
So they take pictures of Brian Laundry and his injury, but not Gabby is yes, no, right, Okay. Did they contact the nine one one caller who reported the Brian laundry attack on Gabby? Did they call him? Michael Ruiz?
So we found out from this report they went, they circled back with one witness, but that witness was not the ninety one one caller, so.
That would be a note. They did not contact the nine one one.
Caller, not the one who said he saw the I think the quote I saw the gentleman being the lady is what the nine one caller said.
Did they mention Gabby's injuries in their written report.
The best of my memory, I didn't see anything about it.
I heard is no, they did not. Did they understand state law requirements for a claim of domestic assault Michael Ruis?
I would think so because Officer Pratt even said so in his own body cam He said, you know, the reason this law is on the books that we have to arrest one is because down the line someone's going to get killed.
The domestic violence domestic assault law in that jurisdiction, it seems like they had skimmed it but didn't really know what they were doing. In fact, in the final findings, they stay the officers misunderstood state law requirements for domestic assault. Did they ever consider or write in their report that Brian Laundry could be entered the potential suspect? Or was it always Gabby.
In the initial police report it was Gabby? In the review from Price, the captain who wrote that report said that there was evidence that Gabby was a long term victim of domestic abuse.
So in the officer's initial report, at the moment they could have stopped Brian Laundry and maybe prevented Gabby's murder, they never considered Brian Laundry as a potential suspect?
Is that correct?
From the initial reports? That's how it seems.
Did they ever connect either of them with mental health caregivers such as even a volunteer like me at the Battered Women's Center it's a toll free number. I manned the hotline for nine years. Did they ever do that, Michael Ruis?
They did.
They did bring Brian to a hotel through a charity for domestic victims that they checked him into the hotel through that charity. In the report from Price, we see that they didn't connect them with professionals. They didn't give them documentation.
So the answer would be no, would it not. I guess not, Doctor Bethany Marshall. What are the classic symptoms of a domestic violence victim? And don't get me wrong, I know that there are some men that are battered and amused, but they are about one and a half percent of the entire partner battering universe. So let's just get real. Women are the victims. What are the symptoms that Gabby Patito displayed, Doctor Bethany.
Well, everything she displayed, I mean protecting the abuser, minimizing the harm done for her self, blame not tailor telling a cohesive history about what had.
Been done to her.
The fact is that she owns her part in the things in the conflict. She says she's punched them in the arm, but she minimizes that she punched them in the arm because she was so frustrated and he was driving erratically.
He was taking her van and her cell phone.
Exactly, and that you you put it more beautifully, that I was trying to collect my thoughts on I know he had taken the van, I know he had taken the cell phone.
Well, that was that would be the final.
Sign nile denial that she is a domestic violence victim, her injuries, the fact that she tried to minimize, as you said, doctor Bethany, the damage to her. I mean, it goes on and on and on, the classic signs that she is a domestic violence victim. Saying would it have stopped Gabby's murder is like reading the teelies. But I know this, It would have been a much better chance that she survived if she had gotten batter woman's counseling, even over the phone with a volunteer at the shelter, even that could have saved her life. But the officers, to make themselves feel better, I guess, keep saying, well, you know, we don't think it would have made a difference. Really, well, you'll never know because you screwed it up. Take a listen to our cup four two seven eight Carlisle Fox thirteen.
If I had any discression of this, I would separate you guys from the day and.
Just give you warnings they stopped at each other.
Well, I lawfully don't.
Have discretion here yet. Veteran Moab police officer Eric Pratt and the new officer he was trained by Daniel Robbins dead let Gabby Batito and Brian laundry go The report by a Price Utah police captain says that by law, Patito should have been cited or arrested once officers determined she was the aggressor. The captain sustained or confirmed multiple complaints where Prad and Robbins failed to follow the law in Moab's own policies, including failing to obtain witness statements and properly documenting the roadside investigation.
So give me your finals, go ahead, Dell.
There's a fifty percent reduction in homicides in domestic violence station is if one of the parties is arrested. That's the statistic that led to all this legislation.
Bethany and I would say, if one of the classic signs of abuse is leaving the woman alone in a deserted place without resources, then all three men abused her.
In the last hours, a judge has ruled in the favor of Moapp Police Department. Listen, I'm from LA law enforcement. I believe in law enforcement. I support law enforcement. However, what happened that day was wrong. In the last hours of judge rules in favor of Moapp Police Department against the family of Gabby Patito. As I said earlier, it ain't over yet. Goodbye,