Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.

Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.

Is he finally gone? Can I quit paying for three hots and a cot for confessed double killer Yourn van der Sloot. Has he finally left us soil? Is he where he's supposed to be, behind bars under a jail in Peru. I'm not gonna believe it until I see a certified photo of him behind bars, because this guy has skated free so many times. Two women dead at his hands that we know of, but we now learn authorities in Aruba seek the US file on the extra of Natalie Holloway's mother to the team of a quarter million dollars. Why do they want the file? Do they want your Vandersloot's confession that he and he alone murdered American beauty teen girl honor student Natalie Holloway there in Aruba on her high school senior trip. Do they want that confession? If so, why is there any chance Aruba will mount a murder prosecution? This was so many other questions swirling. I mean, see Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories and on Serious XM one eleven. Why Why am I so glad he hopefully has finally left us soil because of this. Hey, don't you don't have to trust me. Let's hear it from the horse's mouth. Listen.

Is he finally gone? Can I quit paying for three hots and a cot for confessed double killer Yourn van der Sloot. Has he finally left us soil? Is he where he's supposed to be, behind bars under a jail in Peru. I'm not gonna believe it until I see a certified photo of him behind bars, because this guy has skated free so many times. Two women dead at his hands that we know of, but we now learn authorities in Aruba seek the US file on the extra of Natalie Holloway's mother to the team of a quarter million dollars. Why do they want the file? Do they want your Vandersloot's confession that he and he alone murdered American beauty teen girl honor student Natalie Holloway there in Aruba on her high school senior trip. Do they want that confession? If so, why is there any chance Aruba will mount a murder prosecution? This was so many other questions swirling. I mean, see Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories and on Serious XM one eleven. Why Why am I so glad he hopefully has finally left us soil because of this. Hey, don't you don't have to trust me. Let's hear it from the horse's mouth. Listen.

Plus, she she has to go back to her hotel, But I was just trying to get Trump off a little bit further away from her hotel so we could walk back to her hotel and I might still get a chance to be with her. Okay, that's what I was hoping for. Okay, So what happens, Yeah, b Puck drops me off at a place a little right of the Marriott Hotel known as the Fisherman's Huts.

Plus, she she has to go back to her hotel, But I was just trying to get Trump off a little bit further away from her hotel so we could walk back to her hotel and I might still get a chance to be with her. Okay, that's what I was hoping for. Okay, So what happens, Yeah, b Puck drops me off at a place a little right of the Marriott Hotel known as the Fisherman's Huts.

I wanted a chance to be with her. Okay, that's a load of let me see technical legal term bs. He wanted a chance in the darkened night to rape Natalie Holloway. Many people believe she had been slipped a roofie GHB gamma hydroxy buterrate and a drink, because Natalie Holloway would never have left that bar, Carlos and Charlie's without her friends that she went there with. But she did that night. Why After a couple of drinks, she was completely out of it and he wanted her alone with me. An all star panel to make sense of what we know right now? Is he finally gone? Are we rid of him with me? Cheryl McCollum, forensic expert who traveled with me to Aru but with Natalie's mother looking for more clues, Director of the Cold Case Research Institute, star of a hitting new series Zone seven podcast, Cheryl McCollum. He wanted to get her alone to rape her. That's what he wanted. Didn't want to be with her and find out her life story and her secret fears and thoughts and feelings. He wanted to have sex with her.

I wanted a chance to be with her. Okay, that's a load of let me see technical legal term bs. He wanted a chance in the darkened night to rape Natalie Holloway. Many people believe she had been slipped a roofie GHB gamma hydroxy buterrate and a drink, because Natalie Holloway would never have left that bar, Carlos and Charlie's without her friends that she went there with. But she did that night. Why After a couple of drinks, she was completely out of it and he wanted her alone with me. An all star panel to make sense of what we know right now? Is he finally gone? Are we rid of him with me? Cheryl McCollum, forensic expert who traveled with me to Aru but with Natalie's mother looking for more clues, Director of the Cold Case Research Institute, star of a hitting new series Zone seven podcast, Cheryl McCollum. He wanted to get her alone to rape her. That's what he wanted. Didn't want to be with her and find out her life story and her secret fears and thoughts and feelings. He wanted to have sex with her.

He admitted to touching her, to feeling her up, to getting her into a secluded play here are you.

He admitted to touching her, to feeling her up, to getting her into a secluded play here are you.

Even saying that that was the molestation? She was out of it.

Even saying that that was the molestation? She was out of it.

It's a sectional assault. There's no question feel her up.

It's a sectional assault. There's no question feel her up.

Who even says that anymore?

Who even says that anymore?

He did?

He did?

I'm quoting him now you're quote and you're on Vanderschlute. Okay, Cyril's authority. Your man wanted to.

I'm quoting him now you're quote and you're on Vanderschlute. Okay, Cyril's authority. Your man wanted to.

Have sex with her. He wanted to kill her. Sex is just they wanted.

Have sex with her. He wanted to kill her. Sex is just they wanted.

To have sex with her and it didn't work the way he wanted to, and then he killed her. You're hearing doctor Bethney Marshall.

To have sex with her and it didn't work the way he wanted to, and then he killed her. You're hearing doctor Bethney Marshall.

What is sex?

What is sex?

With an instrument of power, A great listen.

With an instrument of power, A great listen.

This place. It's not so far from you know. The next hotel is the Marriott in the next hotel after that is another Marriott, which is a timeshare, and then it's the holiday in Well. We we walk along the.

This place. It's not so far from you know. The next hotel is the Marriott in the next hotel after that is another Marriott, which is a timeshare, and then it's the holiday in Well. We we walk along the.

Beach, do deep hawk Alsati should get out?

Beach, do deep hawk Alsati should get out?

Come with what happens?

Come with what happens?

The parking leave? They they leave, they go back to their home. I assume they go back to their home. They get in their car and they leave. I'm actually with I'm actually with with Natalie. Walking along the beach, I find the space before we get to the before we get to the Marriotte hotel.

The parking leave? They they leave, they go back to their home. I assume they go back to their home. They get in their car and they leave. I'm actually with I'm actually with with Natalie. Walking along the beach, I find the space before we get to the before we get to the Marriotte hotel.

Where I lay her down there outside on the beach. Natalie's completely out of it, I think because she's been drugged and he quote lays her down. Gary Davison joining me, high profile lawyer out of Miami, partner of ds rui's international law firm and alliance. Gary, Why is it every time I have ever interviewed a defendant or gotten wet up on the stand, if the defense isn'tname is that's stupid? They always somehow minimize their involvement. I lay her on the ground, b s he knocked her down and raped her. That is not laying her gently on the sand.

Where I lay her down there outside on the beach. Natalie's completely out of it, I think because she's been drugged and he quote lays her down. Gary Davison joining me, high profile lawyer out of Miami, partner of ds rui's international law firm and alliance. Gary, Why is it every time I have ever interviewed a defendant or gotten wet up on the stand, if the defense isn'tname is that's stupid? They always somehow minimize their involvement. I lay her on the ground, b s he knocked her down and raped her. That is not laying her gently on the sand.

I always think of it as a self protection device that witnesses and especially perpetrators of crimes undertake because they're telling a story to an audience. And when you're telling a story to an audience, you always want to make yourself look good. It's just fundamental, and that's the reason they do it.

I always think of it as a self protection device that witnesses and especially perpetrators of crimes undertake because they're telling a story to an audience. And when you're telling a story to an audience, you always want to make yourself look good. It's just fundamental, and that's the reason they do it.

I mean doctor Bethany Marshall, who was budding in earlier, but hey, done it myself, doctor Bethany Marshall, high profile psychoanalyst joining us out of La Dodgor Bethany. I mean, if you look at the video from Carlos and Charlie's she needed help walking. He had totally ruthied her, so there's no lying gently on the sand for a session of love making Bigs. He threw her down on the sand, and Rachel.

I mean doctor Bethany Marshall, who was budding in earlier, but hey, done it myself, doctor Bethany Marshall, high profile psychoanalyst joining us out of La Dodgor Bethany. I mean, if you look at the video from Carlos and Charlie's she needed help walking. He had totally ruthied her, so there's no lying gently on the sand for a session of love making Bigs. He threw her down on the sand, and Rachel.

Of course, this is a part of an offending pattern. He did this many, many, many times with all these students coming for their spring breaks. He was predating upon her, He roofed her. He knew exactly what he was doing. And when he said I laid her down, that's lingering passivity, that is covering up a crime. That's that's being I don't know, minimizing. That's the only way I can come up with. Because your prior guest was right. He's thinking about a defense and he lies all time, probably to his mother's who is friends to the girls he meets in the bar. So laying her down is just like the least of all the life.

Of course, this is a part of an offending pattern. He did this many, many, many times with all these students coming for their spring breaks. He was predating upon her, He roofed her. He knew exactly what he was doing. And when he said I laid her down, that's lingering passivity, that is covering up a crime. That's that's being I don't know, minimizing. That's the only way I can come up with. Because your prior guest was right. He's thinking about a defense and he lies all time, probably to his mother's who is friends to the girls he meets in the bar. So laying her down is just like the least of all the life.

He tells, it's the beginning. You're absolutely right. The tip has a very very large iceberg.

He tells, it's the beginning. You're absolutely right. The tip has a very very large iceberg.

Listen this hand, and we start kissing each other. I start, I get her to kiss me again. We start kissing each other, and I start feeling her up again, and she tells me no, She tells me she doesn't want me to.

Listen this hand, and we start kissing each other. I start, I get her to kiss me again. We start kissing each other, and I start feeling her up again, and she tells me no, She tells me she doesn't want me to.

Feel her up.

Feel her up.

I insist I keep feeling her up either.

I insist I keep feeling her up either.

Way, even in her condition, ruthied, drugged, inebriated, she fights back. And don't you know, Cheryl McCollum, that if he is admitting, she need him in the crotch, and she fought back. There was a struggle, There was a war between the gods. As best of a defense as she could mount in her condition, she fought back. And he's admitting to this much about an inch, when we know there was a mile.

Way, even in her condition, ruthied, drugged, inebriated, she fights back. And don't you know, Cheryl McCollum, that if he is admitting, she need him in the crotch, and she fought back. There was a struggle, There was a war between the gods. As best of a defense as she could mount in her condition, she fought back. And he's admitting to this much about an inch, when we know there was a mile.

And again I think it's really important that he's saying I felt hurt up. That doesn't sound consensual. I laid her down. She didn't lay down, he laid her down. So again, nothing he's even saying, trying to make him sound better, sounds consensual. And when you hear him even describe her underwear, and I think it's extremely important for people to remember when he first started this about we were kissing, I was touching her, I felt her up, and he describes the underwear down to the flowers embroidered on them. He is talking to her father, her stepfather, her mama, and several men from their church and community. And he was seven years old.

And again I think it's really important that he's saying I felt hurt up. That doesn't sound consensual. I laid her down. She didn't lay down, he laid her down. So again, nothing he's even saying, trying to make him sound better, sounds consensual. And when you hear him even describe her underwear, and I think it's extremely important for people to remember when he first started this about we were kissing, I was touching her, I felt her up, and he describes the underwear down to the flowers embroidered on them. He is talking to her father, her stepfather, her mama, and several men from their church and community. And he was seven years old.

Listen to more.

Listen to more.

You mean the crotch. Once she needs me in the crotch, I get up on the beach and I kick her extremely hard in the face. Yeah, she's laying down unconscious, possibly even even dead, but definitely unconscious. And I see right next to her, there's a there's a huge cinder block laying on the beach.

You mean the crotch. Once she needs me in the crotch, I get up on the beach and I kick her extremely hard in the face. Yeah, she's laying down unconscious, possibly even even dead, but definitely unconscious. And I see right next to her, there's a there's a huge cinder block laying on the beach.

And when you say cinder block, looking at the walls, this place isn't like those, the.

And when you say cinder block, looking at the walls, this place isn't like those, the.

Exact same cinder blocks. I see a huge cinder block laying on the on the beach. I take this and uh I smash her head in with it completely. YEA, her face basically, you know, collapses in. Even though it's dark, I can see her faces collapsed in.

Exact same cinder blocks. I see a huge cinder block laying on the on the beach. I take this and uh I smash her head in with it completely. YEA, her face basically, you know, collapses in. Even though it's dark, I can see her faces collapsed in.

Uh.

Uh.

Afterwards, I don't exactly know uh what uh you know, I'm I'm scared. I don't know what to do. Uh and I M I decide to to take her and uh uh to put her into the ocean. So I grab her and I I have uh half pool and half walk with her into the ocean. I uh I push her off. Uh I walk up uh up to about my knees into the ocean, and i'd push her off into into the into the into see. And yeah, after that, I I get out.

Afterwards, I don't exactly know uh what uh you know, I'm I'm scared. I don't know what to do. Uh and I M I decide to to take her and uh uh to put her into the ocean. So I grab her and I I have uh half pool and half walk with her into the ocean. I uh I push her off. Uh I walk up uh up to about my knees into the ocean, and i'd push her off into into the into the into see. And yeah, after that, I I get out.

I walk home that yeah, and then gosh, what should I say next? So yeah, then I go home. That's a complete lie. If he had put her body at knee depth in the ocean, she would have washed right back up, So all of that is a lie. On earlier occasions, he states that his father helped him secure a boat and they went out into the ocean. End quote took care of it, that being her body. But let's jump into the here and the now is your Vanderslute finally out of our country. Take a listen to our cut a ourfends at crimeonline dot com.

I walk home that yeah, and then gosh, what should I say next? So yeah, then I go home. That's a complete lie. If he had put her body at knee depth in the ocean, she would have washed right back up, So all of that is a lie. On earlier occasions, he states that his father helped him secure a boat and they went out into the ocean. End quote took care of it, that being her body. But let's jump into the here and the now is your Vanderslute finally out of our country. Take a listen to our cut a ourfends at crimeonline dot com.

Your in vnder Slute is no longer on US soil. The thirty six year old Dutch national was released from the Shelby County jail Monday just after midnight, escorted by US Marshals to the Birmingham International Airport. The plane that was supposed to fly Vanderslute back to Peru experienced some type of mechanical issue and take off was delayed by twenty four hours. However, now the man who confessed to killing Alabama team Natalie Holloway in Aruba is officially back in custody of Peruvian officials to serve out the rest of his sentence for the murder of Stephanie Flores and his concurrent sentence from the US for extorting money from the Holloway family.

Your in vnder Slute is no longer on US soil. The thirty six year old Dutch national was released from the Shelby County jail Monday just after midnight, escorted by US Marshals to the Birmingham International Airport. The plane that was supposed to fly Vanderslute back to Peru experienced some type of mechanical issue and take off was delayed by twenty four hours. However, now the man who confessed to killing Alabama team Natalie Holloway in Aruba is officially back in custody of Peruvian officials to serve out the rest of his sentence for the murder of Stephanie Flores and his concurrent sentence from the US for extorting money from the Holloway family.

Trying to extort a half a million dollars.

Trying to extort a half a million dollars.

Prime stories with Nancy Grace.

Prime stories with Nancy Grace.

To Herb Brand joining US a Senior Inspector, US Marshal Service, International Investigations, Chief Inspector, Department Justice, Office of International Affairs, best selling author which I believe are based on his travels around the world, apprehending felons, killers, drug lords, Solo Shock, Curse of the Blue Stone, and Flying Solo Top of the World on Amazon v Brandt. How long is the flight from the US from the Hugo Black Federal Courthouse where he pled guilty to kick extortion to Lima, Peru.

To Herb Brand joining US a Senior Inspector, US Marshal Service, International Investigations, Chief Inspector, Department Justice, Office of International Affairs, best selling author which I believe are based on his travels around the world, apprehending felons, killers, drug lords, Solo Shock, Curse of the Blue Stone, and Flying Solo Top of the World on Amazon v Brandt. How long is the flight from the US from the Hugo Black Federal Courthouse where he pled guilty to kick extortion to Lima, Peru.

Well, Nancy, it depends this was a charter flight of the United States Marshall Service charter to private jet, and they don't announce the flight paths for security reasons. But they're going to have to fly from Alabama to a point most likely Miami, refuel then fly from there to Lima, Peru. And total flight time you're looking at between twelve fourteen hours, but sometimes you have weather delays, you're delays and refueling things like that, so it could take up to a full day, maybe a day and a half from to.

Well, Nancy, it depends this was a charter flight of the United States Marshall Service charter to private jet, and they don't announce the flight paths for security reasons. But they're going to have to fly from Alabama to a point most likely Miami, refuel then fly from there to Lima, Peru. And total flight time you're looking at between twelve fourteen hours, but sometimes you have weather delays, you're delays and refueling things like that, so it could take up to a full day, maybe a day and a half from to.

Finish a day and a half, So possibly, I'm trying to figure out. Carol Robinson, senior investigative reporter for al dot Com. Carol, thank you for being with us. Can we confirm he has touchdown in Peru?

Finish a day and a half, So possibly, I'm trying to figure out. Carol Robinson, senior investigative reporter for al dot Com. Carol, thank you for being with us. Can we confirm he has touchdown in Peru?

Yes, he touched down at five point fifty eight pm Eastern time. And I don't know what that is in Peru, but the United States Eastern time, five fifty eight pm on Tuesday, gotcha.

Yes, he touched down at five point fifty eight pm Eastern time. And I don't know what that is in Peru, but the United States Eastern time, five fifty eight pm on Tuesday, gotcha.

He is in Peru where he is serving a twenty eight year sentence for the murder of another young lady. Same mo O meets srind A casino, lures her away, she ends up strangled and bludgeoned dead, and then the same callous treatment of her and Nalie's case, He's dumped her body in the ocean. According to him. In the case of Stephanie Tasciana Flores in Peru, he sat at the foot of her body and had his coffee and croissant and read the page while she's lying dead in the floor, her body not even cold. Twenty eight years on that. Plus he's using and dealing drugs behind bars. She got another sentence for that. That's where he's headed. It's about a twenty two I've been told our drive from the Lima Airport across the mountains to this Peruvian fortress of a jail. I want to talk about that flight or Brandt joining us. You said it was a charter flight. This guy gets a charter flight, of course, I don't want I'm sitting next to me on a plane. But explain what you mean by that.

He is in Peru where he is serving a twenty eight year sentence for the murder of another young lady. Same mo O meets srind A casino, lures her away, she ends up strangled and bludgeoned dead, and then the same callous treatment of her and Nalie's case, He's dumped her body in the ocean. According to him. In the case of Stephanie Tasciana Flores in Peru, he sat at the foot of her body and had his coffee and croissant and read the page while she's lying dead in the floor, her body not even cold. Twenty eight years on that. Plus he's using and dealing drugs behind bars. She got another sentence for that. That's where he's headed. It's about a twenty two I've been told our drive from the Lima Airport across the mountains to this Peruvian fortress of a jail. I want to talk about that flight or Brandt joining us. You said it was a charter flight. This guy gets a charter flight, of course, I don't want I'm sitting next to me on a plane. But explain what you mean by that.

Well, a lot of prisoners can't be taken by commercial flights just for security reasons, and a lot of it depends on how high profile of the case that it.

Well, a lot of prisoners can't be taken by commercial flights just for security reasons, and a lot of it depends on how high profile of the case that it.

Is high profile or how dangerous.

Is high profile or how dangerous.

Is both It could be both. And the Martiall Service will doesn't own the planes. But what they do is they take bids from companies for these flights. And typically chartered flight is six thousand dollars a flight hour. I would imagine the total cost.

Is both It could be both. And the Martiall Service will doesn't own the planes. But what they do is they take bids from companies for these flights. And typically chartered flight is six thousand dollars a flight hour. I would imagine the total cost.

Well, did you say six thousand per flight hour?

Well, did you say six thousand per flight hour?

That's correct. It doesn't go by the time that you have the jet. It goes by The cost is by how many hours the jet is in the air, and typically it's around six thousand dollars per flight hour.

That's correct. It doesn't go by the time that you have the jet. It goes by The cost is by how many hours the jet is in the air, and typically it's around six thousand dollars per flight hour.

This guy's costing us a mintoul.

This guy's costing us a mintoul.

It would probably cost this flight to Lima. I've done it before. I've done it to Peru, I've done it to Columbia, I've done it to different places in Europe. It's going to cost about between one hundred and one hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

It would probably cost this flight to Lima. I've done it before. I've done it to Peru, I've done it to Columbia, I've done it to different places in Europe. It's going to cost about between one hundred and one hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

Okay, that's kind of a big chunk to swallow. But the alternative is what having him sitting beside your daughter on the plane correct in no way, no way.

Okay, that's kind of a big chunk to swallow. But the alternative is what having him sitting beside your daughter on the plane correct in no way, no way.

And if he makes a fuss or the trice to fight or anything like that, the pilot is in command of the plane. You want to allow him on the flight, and so you could end up being stuck. That's why they do a chartered flight where the only people on the plane are the flight crew, the United States Marshall Service, and the prisoner.

And if he makes a fuss or the trice to fight or anything like that, the pilot is in command of the plane. You want to allow him on the flight, and so you could end up being stuck. That's why they do a chartered flight where the only people on the plane are the flight crew, the United States Marshall Service, and the prisoner.

So is he inside like a regular plane.

So is he inside like a regular plane.

It is like a regular plane, Nancy. It's just like any person who chartered a flight to be chartered a Gulf Stream, a private jet. It's configured in the same the same way all.

It is like a regular plane, Nancy. It's just like any person who chartered a flight to be chartered a Gulf Stream, a private jet. It's configured in the same the same way all.

The states saw the bathrooms. Can he go to the bathroom on the plane?

The states saw the bathrooms. Can he go to the bathroom on the plane?

He can? He can?

He can? He can?

Isn't that a risk? You're on Vandersloet walk around the plane when he's going to a life sentence in a Peruvian jail.

Isn't that a risk? You're on Vandersloet walk around the plane when he's going to a life sentence in a Peruvian jail.

As I said, the only people on the plane or the prisoner and the US marshals, and they're going to take him. He's going to be fully restrained at all times. He's going to be leg irons, waist chain cuffed to his waist. They would take him to the bathroom. They're not going to allow him to close the bathroom door.

As I said, the only people on the plane or the prisoner and the US marshals, and they're going to take him. He's going to be fully restrained at all times. He's going to be leg irons, waist chain cuffed to his waist. They would take him to the bathroom. They're not going to allow him to close the bathroom door.

So you're saying triple restraints, arm, waist.

So you're saying triple restraints, arm, waist.

Legs, that's that's correct. And whatever he's fed he said by the United States Marshals Service.

Legs, that's that's correct. And whatever he's fed he said by the United States Marshals Service.

Right, are you actually telling me he gets a meal on the plank? What beef? Your chicken? What?

Right, are you actually telling me he gets a meal on the plank? What beef? Your chicken? What?

No? No, it's it's not like if you if you were chartering the jet or flying first class.

No? No, it's it's not like if you if you were chartering the jet or flying first class.

Well, you're kidding you actually think they give you food on delta in first class anymore? Not from what I spotted from my spot in economy. They got crackers and chips, just like everybody else.

Well, you're kidding you actually think they give you food on delta in first class anymore? Not from what I spotted from my spot in economy. They got crackers and chips, just like everybody else.

But go ahead, right, he would have he would have gotten a meal that was brought over from the jail, whatever he would have had jail where we've been incarcerated. They're going to bring him a meal.

But go ahead, right, he would have he would have gotten a meal that was brought over from the jail, whatever he would have had jail where we've been incarcerated. They're going to bring him a meal.

You're making me feel a little bit better. So he gets to go to the bathroom, even though I consider that to be a danger, a serious danger on a plane, because he's finally heading back to a twenty eight year sentence plus eighteen for the drugs. This is maybe his last chance. Although you got that twenty two hour drive from Lima to the fortress of a prison across the country, over the mountains. That would be a good, a wonderful opportunity for him to try to escape. And from what we hear, he's in route right now from the airport to the prison. That would be a more likely, a more likely escape scenario in my mind, to jump out of a van, as opposed to what are you going to do once you overpower the air marshal jump out of the plane? No, not a good escape route. So he gets all the way there, and I assume he's shackled and that the air Marshals or the US Marshals are armed at all times.

You're making me feel a little bit better. So he gets to go to the bathroom, even though I consider that to be a danger, a serious danger on a plane, because he's finally heading back to a twenty eight year sentence plus eighteen for the drugs. This is maybe his last chance. Although you got that twenty two hour drive from Lima to the fortress of a prison across the country, over the mountains. That would be a good, a wonderful opportunity for him to try to escape. And from what we hear, he's in route right now from the airport to the prison. That would be a more likely, a more likely escape scenario in my mind, to jump out of a van, as opposed to what are you going to do once you overpower the air marshal jump out of the plane? No, not a good escape route. So he gets all the way there, and I assume he's shackled and that the air Marshals or the US Marshals are armed at all times.

Well, Nancy, the marshals would be armed on the plane. They wouldn't. They're not going to escort him to the prison. They're only taking him to Lima. Then they'll turn them over to the police at Nationale and then they'll escort him. The marshals would would never get off the plane armed. If they had to leave the plane for any reason, they'd lock their weapons up on the plane.

Well, Nancy, the marshals would be armed on the plane. They wouldn't. They're not going to escort him to the prison. They're only taking him to Lima. Then they'll turn them over to the police at Nationale and then they'll escort him. The marshals would would never get off the plane armed. If they had to leave the plane for any reason, they'd lock their weapons up on the plane.

I don't trust the local police at all. They're the ones allowing him to have booze, drugs and conjugal visits behind bars. What else will they do while they're transporting him twenty two hours on a drive? Would they let him go? I don't know the answer to that, But you have taken these flights. What happens on the flight or brand, Well.

I don't trust the local police at all. They're the ones allowing him to have booze, drugs and conjugal visits behind bars. What else will they do while they're transporting him twenty two hours on a drive? Would they let him go? I don't know the answer to that, But you have taken these flights. What happens on the flight or brand, Well.

It's pretty much like any other flight. Once you get the prisoner on the flight, and like you said, he's full leasures string you're going to put them in the seat.

It's pretty much like any other flight. Once you get the prisoner on the flight, and like you said, he's full leasures string you're going to put them in the seat.

You're going to Is he shackled to the seat?

You're going to Is he shackled to the seat?

No, he's shackled by leg irons. He's shackled by a waste chain where his hands are cuffed to his waist. Then he'd be strapped into the seat and there's going to be at least four deputy US marshals on the flight. He's not going to overpower for deputy US marshals while restrained by his waist and his life.

No, he's shackled by leg irons. He's shackled by a waste chain where his hands are cuffed to his waist. Then he'd be strapped into the seat and there's going to be at least four deputy US marshals on the flight. He's not going to overpower for deputy US marshals while restrained by his waist and his life.

Yeah, you're right, doctor Bethany Marshall. It's not like he's with a defenseless teen girl who he's just drugged with GHB. This time is for air marshals, US marshals, you know.

Yeah, you're right, doctor Bethany Marshall. It's not like he's with a defenseless teen girl who he's just drugged with GHB. This time is for air marshals, US marshals, you know.

And the thing that makes me laugh about that I think of the crime with Natalie Valloway. Of course that's nothing to laugh about, but sex and aggression get fused. They're one and the same. That that's part of the m of the crime. He's not going to get away with that on this plane, right this is the first time, well yeah, the first time. This guy could have come up with bullies bigger than him. Not that a US Air Force marshals are bulliefs, That's not what I'm saying, but people who are stronger, people who are more powerful. He has never experienced that in his life. It's like Murdoch. When Murdoch went to jail, no one had ever gone against him. So this is kind of a disorienting experience for soocio paths.

And the thing that makes me laugh about that I think of the crime with Natalie Valloway. Of course that's nothing to laugh about, but sex and aggression get fused. They're one and the same. That that's part of the m of the crime. He's not going to get away with that on this plane, right this is the first time, well yeah, the first time. This guy could have come up with bullies bigger than him. Not that a US Air Force marshals are bulliefs, That's not what I'm saying, but people who are stronger, people who are more powerful. He has never experienced that in his life. It's like Murdoch. When Murdoch went to jail, no one had ever gone against him. So this is kind of a disorienting experience for soocio paths.

They don't think that.

They don't think that.

The other person is more powerful, so they will try to fight them, and then they will realize that they have that they have met a greater folk.

The other person is more powerful, so they will try to fight them, and then they will realize that they have that they have met a greater folk.

So right now we believe that you're on. Vander Slute is probably already in a transport van, which I certainly hope is heavily guarded and has all the safety features we have in the US. But what now, Carol Robinson, I understand that Aruba wants the US file, including your Vanderslut's confession. Correct.

So right now we believe that you're on. Vander Slute is probably already in a transport van, which I certainly hope is heavily guarded and has all the safety features we have in the US. But what now, Carol Robinson, I understand that Aruba wants the US file, including your Vanderslut's confession. Correct.

Yes, they told us that within you know a day of all of the confession being released and his guilty plead. We spoke with the prosecutor's office there said it would take some time to review it.

Yes, they told us that within you know a day of all of the confession being released and his guilty plead. We spoke with the prosecutor's office there said it would take some time to review it.

Of course they haven't already had twenty years. Also with me right now two incredible guests. TJ. Ward is joining us from TJ. Ward and Associates. He is the private investigator that worked on the Natalie Holloway case. And Joseph Scott Morgan, like Cheryl McCollum, forensics expert, Professor of forensics Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and host of a hit series Body Bags. First to you, TJ.

Of course they haven't already had twenty years. Also with me right now two incredible guests. TJ. Ward is joining us from TJ. Ward and Associates. He is the private investigator that worked on the Natalie Holloway case. And Joseph Scott Morgan, like Cheryl McCollum, forensics expert, Professor of forensics Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and host of a hit series Body Bags. First to you, TJ.

Ward.

Ward.

I have another problem, and that is I know that Yourn van der Sloot killed a sedated girl, a teen American girl in Aruba, and he has never been brought to justice for that murder. I know that he murdered Stephanie Tasciana Floydes. He has been brought to justice on that. He got a in my mind, a light sentence twenty eight years. I know that he island hopped and from Aruba and along the Netherland Antilles. You can go from one spot to the next very easily. But you and your team uncovered in the search for Natalie's remains crushed dog bones, and in those dog bones were crushed human remains. What was the gender of the human bones?

I have another problem, and that is I know that Yourn van der Sloot killed a sedated girl, a teen American girl in Aruba, and he has never been brought to justice for that murder. I know that he murdered Stephanie Tasciana Floydes. He has been brought to justice on that. He got a in my mind, a light sentence twenty eight years. I know that he island hopped and from Aruba and along the Netherland Antilles. You can go from one spot to the next very easily. But you and your team uncovered in the search for Natalie's remains crushed dog bones, and in those dog bones were crushed human remains. What was the gender of the human bones?

They were a female that was later learned that it was not Natalie Holloways, but it was a female's bones.

They were a female that was later learned that it was not Natalie Holloways, but it was a female's bones.

Of European descent. Female bones of European descent. Okay, who is she? Who is that? Do we have any idea who that woman is?

Of European descent. Female bones of European descent. Okay, who is she? Who is that? Do we have any idea who that woman is?

We have no idea. When the bones were turned over to the Reuben authorities, they claim the Ruben authorities claim that the bones were all animal bones. The bones were turned over to Dave Holloway and I and we sent those bones to Washington, d C. To be tested, and we learned that one of the bones was human and it was a white. It was a female European, but it was not Ali Holloways. To this day we do not know whose bones they were, and Aruba is denying that there was a human bone within those remains.

We have no idea. When the bones were turned over to the Reuben authorities, they claim the Ruben authorities claim that the bones were all animal bones. The bones were turned over to Dave Holloway and I and we sent those bones to Washington, d C. To be tested, and we learned that one of the bones was human and it was a white. It was a female European, but it was not Ali Holloways. To this day we do not know whose bones they were, and Aruba is denying that there was a human bone within those remains.

Is nobody worried that in some way your vander Slout is connected to a third set of human female remains. Okay to you or Brant, help me, help me? I mean, how easy is it for your Vanderslute to go from Aruba to the Netherland, Antilles to Dutch homeland? He hops from place to place with impunity. How many women are missing? How many women could be dead? And there remains here and we've never found Natalie's remains. Now we've got this third set of remains that is connected to they are connected to your Vanderslute. They've got Stephanie Tossi outa Florida's how many more are there? Or Brandt? What's the possibility?

Is nobody worried that in some way your vander Slout is connected to a third set of human female remains. Okay to you or Brant, help me, help me? I mean, how easy is it for your Vanderslute to go from Aruba to the Netherland, Antilles to Dutch homeland? He hops from place to place with impunity. How many women are missing? How many women could be dead? And there remains here and we've never found Natalie's remains. Now we've got this third set of remains that is connected to they are connected to your Vanderslute. They've got Stephanie Tossi outa Florida's how many more are there? Or Brandt? What's the possibility?

There's no way to tell, Nancy. It's like you said, he is a Dutch citizen. He can go from island to island island. There could be victims all across those islands. We have no way to know.

There's no way to tell, Nancy. It's like you said, he is a Dutch citizen. He can go from island to island island. There could be victims all across those islands. We have no way to know.

Cheryl McCollum, is nobody worried about this third set of amaze but me? And how many other victims could be out there?

Cheryl McCollum, is nobody worried about this third set of amaze but me? And how many other victims could be out there?

I think everybody's concerned. I know when we first started talking about the human bone mixed with a dog bone, we're like just stopped. Nobody went the extra mile to try to figure out who is this girl? Has anybody reported somebody else missing? It's also being ignored because we know what the Ruben authorities did with Natalie. If it had not been for Beth Holloway, we wouldn't be here today.

I think everybody's concerned. I know when we first started talking about the human bone mixed with a dog bone, we're like just stopped. Nobody went the extra mile to try to figure out who is this girl? Has anybody reported somebody else missing? It's also being ignored because we know what the Ruben authorities did with Natalie. If it had not been for Beth Holloway, we wouldn't be here today.

To Joe Scott Morgan, help me out, Joe Scott, what if anything can be done?

To Joe Scott Morgan, help me out, Joe Scott, what if anything can be done?

Now?

Now?

It's like this woman doesn't even exist, just like Cheryl said, oh dog bones mixed with the human female? What human female bones remains crushed in with a dog remains And no one is investigating. No one's calling on a ruba calling them out going, No, this is female remains. Why aren't you doing anything?

It's like this woman doesn't even exist, just like Cheryl said, oh dog bones mixed with the human female? What human female bones remains crushed in with a dog remains And no one is investigating. No one's calling on a ruba calling them out going, No, this is female remains. Why aren't you doing anything?

Here's the deal. They, by virtue of what we've heard, have already developed some kind of DNA profile. It would sound like. So here's the question. If you have this profile, which Fitz, we have one category female, We have European. Now you can delineate between they can between Western European and Eastern European and that's called phenotyping. Here's the thing. How many other people are missing on the island. Have they had track, you know, just a cursor research and it.

Here's the deal. They, by virtue of what we've heard, have already developed some kind of DNA profile. It would sound like. So here's the question. If you have this profile, which Fitz, we have one category female, We have European. Now you can delineate between they can between Western European and Eastern European and that's called phenotyping. Here's the thing. How many other people are missing on the island. Have they had track, you know, just a cursor research and it.

Could be a tourist as well. So they might not even have a record of that person.

Could be a tourist as well. So they might not even have a record of that person.

If you go back, for example, this woman Robin Gardner who went missing back in I think twenty eleven on Aruba. You know, if you have profiles of individuals like that, you take the profile that you have, okay, that you actually possess from this questioned bone that was co mingled with these animal bones, and they have living relatives that are out there. You do a comparison between those living relatives and the sample that you do have to try to narrow the field down. And you know, as you well know, Nancy, you know the leaps and bounds that they're going to with, you know, forensic genealogy. At this point, it's advanced so much further now that I think that they could put a fine point. The question is this Aruba has shied away from anything that is going to give them even a bigger black eye. I don't know how much bigger it could get. But are they willing Are they willing to tear down those barriers and say, listen, we're going to put We're going to put families ahead of what our bottom dollar is here.

If you go back, for example, this woman Robin Gardner who went missing back in I think twenty eleven on Aruba. You know, if you have profiles of individuals like that, you take the profile that you have, okay, that you actually possess from this questioned bone that was co mingled with these animal bones, and they have living relatives that are out there. You do a comparison between those living relatives and the sample that you do have to try to narrow the field down. And you know, as you well know, Nancy, you know the leaps and bounds that they're going to with, you know, forensic genealogy. At this point, it's advanced so much further now that I think that they could put a fine point. The question is this Aruba has shied away from anything that is going to give them even a bigger black eye. I don't know how much bigger it could get. But are they willing Are they willing to tear down those barriers and say, listen, we're going to put We're going to put families ahead of what our bottom dollar is here.

Its not going to happen.

Its not going to happen.

No, I don't think it is. I really am.

No, I don't think it is. I really am.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The fact that there are other victims actually ties into his confession the way Jordan Vanderslute did the confession. It's like an addict, a sex addict, reliving and retelling a story that he has lived in his mind many, many, many times in jail. When sex addicts come to my office, they tell about their exploits in a way that they're reliving, like they're getting aroused while they're telling the story. And I usually send them right back out of my office and say I can't treat them. But his confession was something he relieved I believe as a master pory fantasy in the jail. And what that tells me is this is not his first time at the rodeo. He did this many many times with women. If you think of him maybe first as a serial killer, secondly as a sex addict. Third is somebody who was so compulsive he was on the prowl all the time. There have to be other victims.

The fact that there are other victims actually ties into his confession the way Jordan Vanderslute did the confession. It's like an addict, a sex addict, reliving and retelling a story that he has lived in his mind many, many, many times in jail. When sex addicts come to my office, they tell about their exploits in a way that they're reliving, like they're getting aroused while they're telling the story. And I usually send them right back out of my office and say I can't treat them. But his confession was something he relieved I believe as a master pory fantasy in the jail. And what that tells me is this is not his first time at the rodeo. He did this many many times with women. If you think of him maybe first as a serial killer, secondly as a sex addict. Third is somebody who was so compulsive he was on the prowl all the time. There have to be other victims.

There's no way.

There's no way.

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I want to follow up on what Joe Scott Morgan and doctor Anthony Marshaller is saying to IRV and Gary Davison. First with you, Gary Davison and TJ. Warp, please jump in, Gary Davidson, as you know, partner Diez lewis international law firm. Take a look at the map. Aruba is situated right there between Venezuela, Colombia Panama. You think they've got a cracked police force that even care about tourists. No, they're too busy with the drugs trade in Colombia. So you got Venezuela, Colombia, Panama, Kirosou bon Air, which is it's a puddle jumper from Barnair to Aruba, and Barnair is desolate. There is like goats. They're going to find a dead body there. No, it will decompose before anybody even knows it existed. Not too far from Puerto Rico, Dominican Cubas. That's a stretch. To the US, that's a stretch. But there are so many places he could have gone.

I want to follow up on what Joe Scott Morgan and doctor Anthony Marshaller is saying to IRV and Gary Davison. First with you, Gary Davison and TJ. Warp, please jump in, Gary Davidson, as you know, partner Diez lewis international law firm. Take a look at the map. Aruba is situated right there between Venezuela, Colombia Panama. You think they've got a cracked police force that even care about tourists. No, they're too busy with the drugs trade in Colombia. So you got Venezuela, Colombia, Panama, Kirosou bon Air, which is it's a puddle jumper from Barnair to Aruba, and Barnair is desolate. There is like goats. They're going to find a dead body there. No, it will decompose before anybody even knows it existed. Not too far from Puerto Rico, Dominican Cubas. That's a stretch. To the US, that's a stretch. But there are so many places he could have gone.

Gary Davidson, Yes, and tracking that down could be difficult, particularly in connection with the Dutch Islands because as you.

Gary Davidson, Yes, and tracking that down could be difficult, particularly in connection with the Dutch Islands because as you.

Know, that very often when you have a passport that allows you free reign in neighboring affiliated countries like uh would be the case with Bonair and put us out.

Know, that very often when you have a passport that allows you free reign in neighboring affiliated countries like uh would be the case with Bonair and put us out.

He may have.

He may have.

Gotten in and gotten out without having to have a date stay, a stamp put on, or any record of his of his visits, so you're searching for a needle in a haystack. It's extraordinarily difficult. Without a concentrated effort to determine his whereabouts at various particular points in time, it would be almost impossible to trace this, especially given the amount of time that's transpired since since since the murder of Natalie Island A TJ.

Gotten in and gotten out without having to have a date stay, a stamp put on, or any record of his of his visits, so you're searching for a needle in a haystack. It's extraordinarily difficult. Without a concentrated effort to determine his whereabouts at various particular points in time, it would be almost impossible to trace this, especially given the amount of time that's transpired since since since the murder of Natalie Island A TJ.

Ward with me private investigator that worked on the Natalie Holloway case from TJ. Ward and associates, TJ. When you first saw the bones crushed as they were specifically crushed so hopefully nobody could figure out that there were human female bones included, what did it look like? TJ?

Ward with me private investigator that worked on the Natalie Holloway case from TJ. Ward and associates, TJ. When you first saw the bones crushed as they were specifically crushed so hopefully nobody could figure out that there were human female bones included, what did it look like? TJ?

Well, what was surprising when there was First when the bones were first found, there was only three bones in there. And then when the bones got turned over to law enforcement, when Gabriel turned the bones over, when I called the chief of police, there were four bones and so we knew something wasn't right. And the Uruba authorities claimed after three weeks that they had the bones tested and they were animal bones. And I questioned them, I said, well, what kind of animal bones were they? Oh, they were just animal bones. Well, after the bones were turned over to me and we took had those bones tested in Washington, d C. They came back and said there was a human bone in the mix of all those bones, so we knew something was bad back wrong. The rub authorities did not test those bones.

Well, what was surprising when there was First when the bones were first found, there was only three bones in there. And then when the bones got turned over to law enforcement, when Gabriel turned the bones over, when I called the chief of police, there were four bones and so we knew something wasn't right. And the Uruba authorities claimed after three weeks that they had the bones tested and they were animal bones. And I questioned them, I said, well, what kind of animal bones were they? Oh, they were just animal bones. Well, after the bones were turned over to me and we took had those bones tested in Washington, d C. They came back and said there was a human bone in the mix of all those bones, so we knew something was bad back wrong. The rub authorities did not test those bones.

Why are they still dying with me? TJ. Ward, who was on the scene in Eruba saw these bones had he personally had them tested in DC and they are in fact human female bones mixed in with dog bones or brant If Aruba won't follow up, would never follow it up on Nali Hollway. I mean, Cheryl McCollum, you know what happened, best mother and I got detained by police, threatened with the rest. If they're going to do that to us, Cheryl, you really think they're going to follow up on this third murder victim.

Why are they still dying with me? TJ. Ward, who was on the scene in Eruba saw these bones had he personally had them tested in DC and they are in fact human female bones mixed in with dog bones or brant If Aruba won't follow up, would never follow it up on Nali Hollway. I mean, Cheryl McCollum, you know what happened, best mother and I got detained by police, threatened with the rest. If they're going to do that to us, Cheryl, you really think they're going to follow up on this third murder victim.

There's not a chance. But I say depending on where who has the bone? Now, let's get it to offer them, Let's go to ourselves.

There's not a chance. But I say depending on where who has the bone? Now, let's get it to offer them, Let's go to ourselves.

We have we still have possession of some of the bones. They are stored and put away in Washington, DC right now with the company that and the investigator that had the bones test for us. We still have copies of them. So we still have the bones so that.

We have we still have possession of some of the bones. They are stored and put away in Washington, DC right now with the company that and the investigator that had the bones test for us. We still have copies of them. So we still have the bones so that.

Could be tested for instance, at ath Ram Labs, who specializes in very difficult to analyze DNA data. I mean, they can identify DNA that's been underwater, that's old, that's been mixed with other DNA just like this, So it is possible. Or Brent, why is there no motivation for Aruba to do the right thing?

Could be tested for instance, at ath Ram Labs, who specializes in very difficult to analyze DNA data. I mean, they can identify DNA that's been underwater, that's old, that's been mixed with other DNA just like this, So it is possible. Or Brent, why is there no motivation for Aruba to do the right thing?

Aruba doesn't want to open that can work. They don't want to look into this any further. They want this case to be over. They want people to quit talking about it. If they start investigating one case, that will lead just like everyone on your panel is saying, if you start investigating one case, it's going to open other cases that's been very soon. It's going to be all over the news of all these murder cases, of all these people disappearing. And that's the last thing in the world they want.

Aruba doesn't want to open that can work. They don't want to look into this any further. They want this case to be over. They want people to quit talking about it. If they start investigating one case, that will lead just like everyone on your panel is saying, if you start investigating one case, it's going to open other cases that's been very soon. It's going to be all over the news of all these murder cases, of all these people disappearing. And that's the last thing in the world they want.

Yeah, I'm curious about what's going to happen to him in a room. But now, Cheryl McCollum was sitting with me in the courtroom when jord vandersleyt was sentenced by the judge and the Hego Black Federal Courthouse a little over a week ago. Cheryl McCollum I noticed the judge kept saying, if for any reason, you're released early in Peru. I did not like that. I mean, she was correct, of course, she's a brilliant judge. By the way, it made me think that she believes he could be released early in Peru.

Yeah, I'm curious about what's going to happen to him in a room. But now, Cheryl McCollum was sitting with me in the courtroom when jord vandersleyt was sentenced by the judge and the Hego Black Federal Courthouse a little over a week ago. Cheryl McCollum I noticed the judge kept saying, if for any reason, you're released early in Peru. I did not like that. I mean, she was correct, of course, she's a brilliant judge. By the way, it made me think that she believes he could be released early in Peru.

Yeah, I thought she would get a beautiful job. And several times she was looking right at him and his attorney and she clarified, do you understand what I'm saying? Do both of you agree? Have both of you signed this? So I think she was making sure that he knew if you think you're going to go back there and come up with some you know, ogie dope to get out of here, some scam, some con, you're going to come right back here and see this whole thing through.

Yeah, I thought she would get a beautiful job. And several times she was looking right at him and his attorney and she clarified, do you understand what I'm saying? Do both of you agree? Have both of you signed this? So I think she was making sure that he knew if you think you're going to go back there and come up with some you know, ogie dope to get out of here, some scam, some con, you're going to come right back here and see this whole thing through.

But if they released him in Peru or Brent, how are we going to get him back here?

But if they released him in Peru or Brent, how are we going to get him back here?

The Office of International Affairs will work with the Peruvian government, and if he comes up for release, the US Marshal Service will go back down there and they'll bring him back to the United States so he can serve his twenty years in federal prison. If he is to your question, if he is released without Office of International Affairs being notified then it would become a fugitive investigation and he would be the Marshall Service would track him to whatever country.

The Office of International Affairs will work with the Peruvian government, and if he comes up for release, the US Marshal Service will go back down there and they'll bring him back to the United States so he can serve his twenty years in federal prison. If he is to your question, if he is released without Office of International Affairs being notified then it would become a fugitive investigation and he would be the Marshall Service would track him to whatever country.

Oh yeah, he'll get tracked. You know, we were talking about him puddle jumping between islands and countries. The wake of pain he's left behind him everywhere he goes is unimaginable. I want to circle back to the possibility, the remote possibility that Aruba asked for the US file, including his confession to murdering Natalie, so a prosecution can go forward. Gary Davison, It's so hard for me to believe that Ariba actually has a twelve year statute of limitations on murder. Is this true?

Oh yeah, he'll get tracked. You know, we were talking about him puddle jumping between islands and countries. The wake of pain he's left behind him everywhere he goes is unimaginable. I want to circle back to the possibility, the remote possibility that Aruba asked for the US file, including his confession to murdering Natalie, so a prosecution can go forward. Gary Davison, It's so hard for me to believe that Ariba actually has a twelve year statute of limitations on murder. Is this true?

Yes, they do.

Yes, they do.

Have a uh that limitation. It's interesting under and and you know remember there their system is a civil law system, it's not a common law system. Uh So the view on these sorts of things is a little bit different in those sorts of jurisdictions. For example, uh the the Dutch don't have the death penalty. The most of any any any victim can expect, or a family of a victim can expect, is life imprisonment for someone who murders one of their family members.

Have a uh that limitation. It's interesting under and and you know remember there their system is a civil law system, it's not a common law system. Uh So the view on these sorts of things is a little bit different in those sorts of jurisdictions. For example, uh the the Dutch don't have the death penalty. The most of any any any victim can expect, or a family of a victim can expect, is life imprisonment for someone who murders one of their family members.

And Aruba is a Dutch territory.

And Aruba is a Dutch territory.

Correct, yes, yes, yes it is, and it's incorporated many of the the Dutch civil law approaches to its church pridence. Interestingly enough, the Dutch are very as you probably know from historical reference, the Dutch are very sensitive to particular issues like genocide, crimes against humanity and so forth, and their laws reflect that. And interestingly enough, the Dutch do not have estati of limitations for such crimes.

Correct, yes, yes, yes it is, and it's incorporated many of the the Dutch civil law approaches to its church pridence. Interestingly enough, the Dutch are very as you probably know from historical reference, the Dutch are very sensitive to particular issues like genocide, crimes against humanity and so forth, and their laws reflect that. And interestingly enough, the Dutch do not have estati of limitations for such crimes.

Then, if it's a Dutch territory, why does the room have a twelve year statute?

Then, if it's a Dutch territory, why does the room have a twelve year statute?

Well, remember that the crime against humanity in genocide are defined terms in international law, and they form what is considered to be a concept called us cogens and it's spelled jus space cog e n s, He's coach and another that concept in international law. Any violation of a use coach and standard can lead to imprisonment.

Well, remember that the crime against humanity in genocide are defined terms in international law, and they form what is considered to be a concept called us cogens and it's spelled jus space cog e n s, He's coach and another that concept in international law. Any violation of a use coach and standard can lead to imprisonment.

Okay, I still don't know why ruby is a twelve year statute on murder, but a photo has just emerged. Orn Vandersloot, Nowie Holloway's killer, who confess an open court to killing Natalie being handed over to Peruvian police. He still is shackled at the waist, the hands the wrists and the legs triple shackle. He's wearing a bulletproof vest from Enterpol and he's smiling at the Peruvian authorities. The Peruvian authorities do not look amused at all. So as we go to air now he is en route to his Peruvian fortress jail. Everyone was claiming, Oh, he wants to stay in the US for the great treatment. No he doesn't, because in Peru he gets booze, drugs and unlimited conjugal visits behind bars, So he wants to go back to Peru. My only question is will he be released early and will we be ready? We wait as justice own faults. Goodbye Saint

Okay, I still don't know why ruby is a twelve year statute on murder, but a photo has just emerged. Orn Vandersloot, Nowie Holloway's killer, who confess an open court to killing Natalie being handed over to Peruvian police. He still is shackled at the waist, the hands the wrists and the legs triple shackle. He's wearing a bulletproof vest from Enterpol and he's smiling at the Peruvian authorities. The Peruvian authorities do not look amused at all. So as we go to air now he is en route to his Peruvian fortress jail. Everyone was claiming, Oh, he wants to stay in the US for the great treatment. No he doesn't, because in Peru he gets booze, drugs and unlimited conjugal visits behind bars, So he wants to go back to Peru. My only question is will he be released early and will we be ready? We wait as justice own faults. Goodbye Saint