Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.

Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.

Straight A's honor student played sports everything loving son big brother. In the last hours, we learn thirteen year old Derrick Rosa has confessed to murdering his mother as she's lying by a sleep right beside her her new infant baby girl. Not only do we learn about a confession, we have obtained that confession to play for you, and at the same time time we learn that just emerging is nanny cam video of the room where the mom is murdered and him hovering over his sleeping mother. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories and on Serious XM one eleven. I want you to take a listen and come through this statement by the honor student son, Derek Rosa. Let's hear it.

Straight A's honor student played sports everything loving son big brother. In the last hours, we learn thirteen year old Derrick Rosa has confessed to murdering his mother as she's lying by a sleep right beside her her new infant baby girl. Not only do we learn about a confession, we have obtained that confession to play for you, and at the same time time we learn that just emerging is nanny cam video of the room where the mom is murdered and him hovering over his sleeping mother. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories and on Serious XM one eleven. I want you to take a listen and come through this statement by the honor student son, Derek Rosa. Let's hear it.

From yours.

From yours.

He's a friend. Okay three years.

He's a friend. Okay three years.

Did you hear that? He couldn't bring himself to say I killed her until the detective said it's okay, you can say it, and he said I killed her. I killed her. Wow. Alexis Tereschuk joining me Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter Alexis Terrestchuk. It's really hard to take in what we're hearing you have a son like I do. I have a son and daughter and they're honor students, and they really were some wood for me to not con so far have not given me a minute of trouble like your sweet boy, and then out of the blue this aban behavior. But what can you tell me about this confession? And it is a confession.

Did you hear that? He couldn't bring himself to say I killed her until the detective said it's okay, you can say it, and he said I killed her. I killed her. Wow. Alexis Tereschuk joining me Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter Alexis Terrestchuk. It's really hard to take in what we're hearing you have a son like I do. I have a son and daughter and they're honor students, and they really were some wood for me to not con so far have not given me a minute of trouble like your sweet boy, and then out of the blue this aban behavior. But what can you tell me about this confession? And it is a confession.

So Derek Grossa actually called nine to one one himself the night of October twelfth, about eleven thirty at night, called the police himself. He said, come, I have killed my mom. The police take him to the police station. They talk with him. They say what happened, and his explanation is, I woke up, I grabbed one of the kitchen knives and I went to her room and then he stops, but he doesn't stop forever. The police officer says, it's okay, you can talk to me, and he says, I killed her. He fully confessed to killing his mom. He didn't say why, but he is he in fact pictures of himself immediately after he killed her.

So Derek Grossa actually called nine to one one himself the night of October twelfth, about eleven thirty at night, called the police himself. He said, come, I have killed my mom. The police take him to the police station. They talk with him. They say what happened, and his explanation is, I woke up, I grabbed one of the kitchen knives and I went to her room and then he stops, but he doesn't stop forever. The police officer says, it's okay, you can talk to me, and he says, I killed her. He fully confessed to killing his mom. He didn't say why, but he is he in fact pictures of himself immediately after he killed her.

I want to follow up on something Alexis Tereshchuk has just told us joining me an All Star panel. But in addition to Alexis Terestschuk. Pat Diaz is with us out of the Florida jurisdiction as well. Former Miami Day Police homicide detective now private investigator, and you can find him at South FLPI, South Florida PI dot com, South FLPI dot com. Pat, thank you for being with us. You have to take special precautions when you are interviewing as a cop a juvenile, explain.

I want to follow up on something Alexis Tereshchuk has just told us joining me an All Star panel. But in addition to Alexis Terestschuk. Pat Diaz is with us out of the Florida jurisdiction as well. Former Miami Day Police homicide detective now private investigator, and you can find him at South FLPI, South Florida PI dot com, South FLPI dot com. Pat, thank you for being with us. You have to take special precautions when you are interviewing as a cop a juvenile, explain.

Absolutely in these types of cases, and that many investigators get that opportunity. When you have a juvenile to interview, you got to make sure that he's able of sound mind, which means he's understanding how to read, how to write, which processes and in order to move on. Otherwise, if he's in the daze, then you have nothing. And in this case that the homicide detectives did a great job talking to him and actually getting him to talk, So kudos to them, because in court, the confession is going to be a major issue that the defense will try to try to get rid of.

Absolutely in these types of cases, and that many investigators get that opportunity. When you have a juvenile to interview, you got to make sure that he's able of sound mind, which means he's understanding how to read, how to write, which processes and in order to move on. Otherwise, if he's in the daze, then you have nothing. And in this case that the homicide detectives did a great job talking to him and actually getting him to talk, So kudos to them, because in court, the confession is going to be a major issue that the defense will try to try to get rid of.

You're right, Pat Diz, is there a number one goal at trial they're going to try to have this confession thrown out. And when it comes to minors making a confession, it also came to the forefront in the Teresa Hallback murder. Who is that? That is the young photographer that was murdered by the star of making a murderer, remember that Stephen Avery, and it was portrayed that he was innocent, that Avery had been framed. Also along for the ride was his young relative, Brendan Dacy. In Dacy's case, there was permission to interview Dasy, a then teen, and as much as everyone argued, well, Dassy didn't have the wherewithal to make this statement, that's a double edged sword because what it also means is he didn't have the wherewithal to create a fabricated statement with this much detail in which he admitted to raping Teresa Hallback and that his uncle murdered her, Stephen Avery. That was an example of a teen statement coming to the forefront of the news.

You're right, Pat Diz, is there a number one goal at trial they're going to try to have this confession thrown out. And when it comes to minors making a confession, it also came to the forefront in the Teresa Hallback murder. Who is that? That is the young photographer that was murdered by the star of making a murderer, remember that Stephen Avery, and it was portrayed that he was innocent, that Avery had been framed. Also along for the ride was his young relative, Brendan Dacy. In Dacy's case, there was permission to interview Dasy, a then teen, and as much as everyone argued, well, Dassy didn't have the wherewithal to make this statement, that's a double edged sword because what it also means is he didn't have the wherewithal to create a fabricated statement with this much detail in which he admitted to raping Teresa Hallback and that his uncle murdered her, Stephen Avery. That was an example of a teen statement coming to the forefront of the news.

Listen as the you know, the thing is, you know, the court is going to have to scrutinize whether or not Derek Rosa voluntarily spoke to the police and whether he was properly mirandized. Because a juvenile there's heightened responsibilities with regard to law enforcement in terms of mirandizing making sure they understand contacting parents, and this is a thirteen year old boy, and of course he's accused of killing his mother, So that's going to make it even a little more convoluted in terms of was anybody contacted on his behalf before they spoke with him, and did he waive his Miranda rights? And did he understand and completely voluntarily make the statement? So those are all issues that the court is going to have to scrutinize with regard to his statement.

Listen as the you know, the thing is, you know, the court is going to have to scrutinize whether or not Derek Rosa voluntarily spoke to the police and whether he was properly mirandized. Because a juvenile there's heightened responsibilities with regard to law enforcement in terms of mirandizing making sure they understand contacting parents, and this is a thirteen year old boy, and of course he's accused of killing his mother, So that's going to make it even a little more convoluted in terms of was anybody contacted on his behalf before they spoke with him, and did he waive his Miranda rights? And did he understand and completely voluntarily make the statement? So those are all issues that the court is going to have to scrutinize with regard to his statement.

You are hearing high profile lawyer Matthew Mangino joining us out of the Pennsylvania jurisdiction. He has prosecuted juveniles and defended juveniles, his former district attorney and author of the Executioner's Toll. Listen to this the crimes, arrest, trials, appeals and last meals, final words and executions people in the US. Let's listen to more why this statement is so important to the prosecution. Take a listen. Now, this is important what you just heard because here the honor student, thirteen year old Derrick Rosa, is explaining about the knife. He says, it's a big seven inch knife with a purple handle. My mom was sleeping. He's fully cognizant of all the facts surrounding the murder of his own mother. His mom had just given birth to the baby's sister, and in the nanacam video you see him hovering around the mom and around the baby sister, who's sleeping in the same room with the mom, listened to more.

You are hearing high profile lawyer Matthew Mangino joining us out of the Pennsylvania jurisdiction. He has prosecuted juveniles and defended juveniles, his former district attorney and author of the Executioner's Toll. Listen to this the crimes, arrest, trials, appeals and last meals, final words and executions people in the US. Let's listen to more why this statement is so important to the prosecution. Take a listen. Now, this is important what you just heard because here the honor student, thirteen year old Derrick Rosa, is explaining about the knife. He says, it's a big seven inch knife with a purple handle. My mom was sleeping. He's fully cognizant of all the facts surrounding the murder of his own mother. His mom had just given birth to the baby's sister, and in the nanacam video you see him hovering around the mom and around the baby sister, who's sleeping in the same room with the mom, listened to more.

He's a friend.

He's a friend.

Okay, hold.

Okay, hold.

Three years your job.

Three years your job.

Okay, let me understand what I'm just hearing. Un Like, says Terrestri joining US Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. He called his friends explain and and I'm hearing where are the friends? And they are in Sweden.

Okay, let me understand what I'm just hearing. Un Like, says Terrestri joining US Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. He called his friends explain and and I'm hearing where are the friends? And they are in Sweden.

These are friends that he's met online. So these are not schoolmates, These are not kids that he hangs out with after school. These are kids that he's met online and are friends that he's met online. So he he messages them afterwards, he sends three pictures. He shows them. In fact, there his hands held up and there's blood dropping on his hands. So he is bragging about this crime immediately after committing it. I killed my mom. Look here's the bloody proof of it.

These are friends that he's met online. So these are not schoolmates, These are not kids that he hangs out with after school. These are kids that he's met online and are friends that he's met online. So he he messages them afterwards, he sends three pictures. He shows them. In fact, there his hands held up and there's blood dropping on his hands. So he is bragging about this crime immediately after committing it. I killed my mom. Look here's the bloody proof of it.

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Let me go to Karen Start, joining us renounced psychologist TV radio trumpa expert at karenstart dot com Karen with a C. Karen. It's one thing if he's calling the friend or texting the friend and saying, oh my stars, I've done this horrible thing. What am I going to do? Or I can't believe I did this? But according to Alexis Terreschuk, he's kind of bragging.

Let me go to Karen Start, joining us renounced psychologist TV radio trumpa expert at karenstart dot com Karen with a C. Karen. It's one thing if he's calling the friend or texting the friend and saying, oh my stars, I've done this horrible thing. What am I going to do? Or I can't believe I did this? But according to Alexis Terreschuk, he's kind of bragging.

He's not just bragging, Nancy. He sticks out his tongue, he's smiling. He was actually excited about what he did. So this this boy is a very very confused adolescent. He absolutely doesn't understand how awful his crime is, as far as I could tell, because he's laughing and excited and showing the blood.

He's not just bragging, Nancy. He sticks out his tongue, he's smiling. He was actually excited about what he did. So this this boy is a very very confused adolescent. He absolutely doesn't understand how awful his crime is, as far as I could tell, because he's laughing and excited and showing the blood.

Laughing and excited and showing the blood, Alexis Eschak, Is that true?

Laughing and excited and showing the blood, Alexis Eschak, Is that true?

Yes, it's absolutely true. He's showing off the blood on his hands. Because he stabbed his mom. He was very close to her. He didn't shoot her, he was right next to her. And in fact, he had been searching online for the places and the best places to stop where we cause the most harm. So this is something that he had been looking up prior to killing his mom.

Yes, it's absolutely true. He's showing off the blood on his hands. Because he stabbed his mom. He was very close to her. He didn't shoot her, he was right next to her. And in fact, he had been searching online for the places and the best places to stop where we cause the most harm. So this is something that he had been looking up prior to killing his mom.

Alexis to Reesschach, you're just a fountain of information, aren't you? And none of it good? Well, I guess it's good if you're looking at at the probative mat the probative nature of it, like what does it prove? But it's very disheartening. Alexis Teresha as a mom of a young teen very similar to Derrick rosa honor student, sweet natured, mild, timid, seemingly but suddenly out of the blue. I don't know what to make of that.

Alexis to Reesschach, you're just a fountain of information, aren't you? And none of it good? Well, I guess it's good if you're looking at at the probative mat the probative nature of it, like what does it prove? But it's very disheartening. Alexis Teresha as a mom of a young teen very similar to Derrick rosa honor student, sweet natured, mild, timid, seemingly but suddenly out of the blue. I don't know what to make of that.

And he went to a good school, there was there were never any complaints. He seemed very excited. His mom was having a baby. The baby was only two weeks old, a little sister. He had posed for pictures with his stepdad and with his mom when she was pregnant, really all in pink polo shirts showing off outside of they were about the baby. There were no signs they had if I'm nothing at school, nobody had ever said that he was in trouble, No fights with friends, no fights with the parents' cps, hadn't been called to the home. Completely to everybody outside of it, out of.

And he went to a good school, there was there were never any complaints. He seemed very excited. His mom was having a baby. The baby was only two weeks old, a little sister. He had posed for pictures with his stepdad and with his mom when she was pregnant, really all in pink polo shirts showing off outside of they were about the baby. There were no signs they had if I'm nothing at school, nobody had ever said that he was in trouble, No fights with friends, no fights with the parents' cps, hadn't been called to the home. Completely to everybody outside of it, out of.

The blue, Karen, you were jumping in, Karen Stark.

The blue, Karen, you were jumping in, Karen Stark.

Yeah, I wanted to add, and we've heard this kind of steps before, but not from a young adolescent. That he said that he wanted to shoot himself afterwards, that he wanted to kill himself.

Yeah, I wanted to add, and we've heard this kind of steps before, but not from a young adolescent. That he said that he wanted to shoot himself afterwards, that he wanted to kill himself.

But he didn't. And speaking of those Google searches, take a listen to this.

But he didn't. And speaking of those Google searches, take a listen to this.

The night Derek Rosa allegedly stabs his mother to death, he makes six Google searches that include, what is the best place to stab someone? Is a small knife good for killing? Is it easier to kill someone with a small knife? Can a knife cut through bone? And a request for a diagram of the cardioid artery. The Daily Mail reports the last search made that night was to inquire about a machine gun.

The night Derek Rosa allegedly stabs his mother to death, he makes six Google searches that include, what is the best place to stab someone? Is a small knife good for killing? Is it easier to kill someone with a small knife? Can a knife cut through bone? And a request for a diagram of the cardioid artery. The Daily Mail reports the last search made that night was to inquire about a machine gun.

I mean he's looking up the carotid artery. Doctor Kendall Crown's joining US Chief Medical Examiner, joining US out of Terran County. That's Fort Worth Lecturer University, Texas Austin and TCU Texas Christian University Medical School, Doctor Kendall Crown. I don't know how you do it all. How many autopsies do you think you have performed in life?

I mean he's looking up the carotid artery. Doctor Kendall Crown's joining US Chief Medical Examiner, joining US out of Terran County. That's Fort Worth Lecturer University, Texas Austin and TCU Texas Christian University Medical School, Doctor Kendall Crown. I don't know how you do it all. How many autopsies do you think you have performed in life?

Probably close to around ten thousand.

Probably close to around ten thousand.

You know, when people ask me how many cases I've handled, and I say around ten thousand, It doesn't seem real, but when you look back, it Israel because I would get one hundred new cases a week from the grand jury at least, or even if you wanted to go by a month, and you do that every month for ten years, yes, that's a lot. Same with you. You don't count them as they're happening, but you look back and realize, wow, that's a lot of autopsies. And in your experience, could you explain is there any way to recover when someone has their carotid artery severed? To start? What is the kartid artery?

You know, when people ask me how many cases I've handled, and I say around ten thousand, It doesn't seem real, but when you look back, it Israel because I would get one hundred new cases a week from the grand jury at least, or even if you wanted to go by a month, and you do that every month for ten years, yes, that's a lot. Same with you. You don't count them as they're happening, but you look back and realize, wow, that's a lot of autopsies. And in your experience, could you explain is there any way to recover when someone has their carotid artery severed? To start? What is the kartid artery?

So the karated artery is a vessel in your neck that is taking blood from your heart to your brain basically, and you have two of them, one on either side of your neck, and they're they're pretty good size. They're about the bigger round as a as a ballpoint pen diameter, so, and they sit right underneath the muscles on either side of your neck, so they're really close to the surface. So when you get your crotid artery cut, you usually can bleed out in a matter of minutes.

So the karated artery is a vessel in your neck that is taking blood from your heart to your brain basically, and you have two of them, one on either side of your neck, and they're they're pretty good size. They're about the bigger round as a as a ballpoint pen diameter, so, and they sit right underneath the muscles on either side of your neck, so they're really close to the surface. So when you get your crotid artery cut, you usually can bleed out in a matter of minutes.

How many minutes, I'd say, wonder for and question. We've all seen movies. I've actually seen a victim whose crotit artery had been sliced, but it was postmarm after death. Is this the kind of wound Basically there's no coming back from that. But as it does, is the wound pulse with the beating of the heart.

How many minutes, I'd say, wonder for and question. We've all seen movies. I've actually seen a victim whose crotit artery had been sliced, but it was postmarm after death. Is this the kind of wound Basically there's no coming back from that. But as it does, is the wound pulse with the beating of the heart.

Yes, so it's an argy, so it's had the pressurized blood is still there, so it will spurt and shoot blood out of it. You can try and close it off because you have a second one. It'll still get blood to the brain, so you can pinch it off and you can still be saved, but you have to get immediate Michael treatment. A good example is there was a hockey player recently got his next plice by a skate and he died even though he had help right away. So it's a significant vessel to get cut and you need help immediately. And even if you get help immediately, they can't only save you.

Yes, so it's an argy, so it's had the pressurized blood is still there, so it will spurt and shoot blood out of it. You can try and close it off because you have a second one. It'll still get blood to the brain, so you can pinch it off and you can still be saved, but you have to get immediate Michael treatment. A good example is there was a hockey player recently got his next plice by a skate and he died even though he had help right away. So it's a significant vessel to get cut and you need help immediately. And even if you get help immediately, they can't only save you.

And the reason I'm asking about the pulsing nature of the bleeding is because the boy in this case, thirteen year old honor suit A derreck Rosa, was literally covered in blood. It was an extremely bloody crime scene. Is that why doctor cram It's part of it.

And the reason I'm asking about the pulsing nature of the bleeding is because the boy in this case, thirteen year old honor suit A derreck Rosa, was literally covered in blood. It was an extremely bloody crime scene. Is that why doctor cram It's part of it.

I mean, she would be the blood would be spurting out. It would be getting all over her, all over the plate, even on him, and if he continues to stabber, it would be getting on him as he continued to stab her, and then whatever else he's stabbing would also bleed on him as well.

I mean, she would be the blood would be spurting out. It would be getting all over her, all over the plate, even on him, and if he continues to stabber, it would be getting on him as he continued to stab her, and then whatever else he's stabbing would also bleed on him as well.

Okay, let's hear more of what we've recently obtained, the actual confession given by this teen honor student.

Okay, let's hear more of what we've recently obtained, the actual confession given by this teen honor student.

Listen, did you the home?

Listen, did you the home?

And Okay, I want to talk about his demeanor as he's relaying killing his mom. I mean, Karen Stark, I think I need a trauma expert right now, because when I think back about when my dad passed away, or when my fiance Keith was murdered, even now, I typically don't like talking about it. I don't like when people bring it up, especially unexpectedly, But if I allow myself to think about it, it's still very, very upsetting. And this honor student is talking very methodically and stoically. He doesn't seem upset at all.

And Okay, I want to talk about his demeanor as he's relaying killing his mom. I mean, Karen Stark, I think I need a trauma expert right now, because when I think back about when my dad passed away, or when my fiance Keith was murdered, even now, I typically don't like talking about it. I don't like when people bring it up, especially unexpectedly, But if I allow myself to think about it, it's still very, very upsetting. And this honor student is talking very methodically and stoically. He doesn't seem upset at all.

Nancy, Well, you had just gribing what you feel or I feel having lost the dad. We're having feelings, right, emotions, but now we're talking about someone who's disassociated, which means that he's separated from his feelings. He's he's not in touch with any emotional response, and it's really hard to understand what's going on with this boyd because of that. It's confusing because he doesn't seem to he's laughing afterwards, he doesn't seem to be having any kind of an emotional response, like he's cut off. And usually that happens with somebody who has a criminal mentality, who has no feelings, no conscience, and doesn't understand what they did.

Nancy, Well, you had just gribing what you feel or I feel having lost the dad. We're having feelings, right, emotions, but now we're talking about someone who's disassociated, which means that he's separated from his feelings. He's he's not in touch with any emotional response, and it's really hard to understand what's going on with this boyd because of that. It's confusing because he doesn't seem to he's laughing afterwards, he doesn't seem to be having any kind of an emotional response, like he's cut off. And usually that happens with somebody who has a criminal mentality, who has no feelings, no conscience, and doesn't understand what they did.

Oh well, well, well, whoa, whoa, whoa? Wait a minute, right there, when you say the words doesn't understand what they did, you're triggering all sorts of legal alarm bells in my mind because I know someone doesn't understand what they did, translation doesn't understand right from wrong. That is a legal definition of insanity. This kid is not insane. He's not insane.

Oh well, well, well, whoa, whoa, whoa? Wait a minute, right there, when you say the words doesn't understand what they did, you're triggering all sorts of legal alarm bells in my mind because I know someone doesn't understand what they did, translation doesn't understand right from wrong. That is a legal definition of insanity. This kid is not insane. He's not insane.

He's not insane, but he's cut off from I don't believe that he gets he grasped the full extent of what happened, until it seems like now he doesn't want to ye, well, you know.

He's not insane, but he's cut off from I don't believe that he gets he grasped the full extent of what happened, until it seems like now he doesn't want to ye, well, you know.

Either, that's you putting your layer of interpretation on him. He doesn't understand he took the pictures covered in blood and sent them to two of his friends online. He understands he killed his mom. She's dead, she's not coming back. And as a matter of fact, I want to hear a little bit more of what he said. Listen, our cut twenty one. We're still hearing the recently obtained confession by the thirteen year old honor student who stabs his mom dead. She's lying next to her infant baby girl. Listen, I'll let's get back to your mom.

Either, that's you putting your layer of interpretation on him. He doesn't understand he took the pictures covered in blood and sent them to two of his friends online. He understands he killed his mom. She's dead, she's not coming back. And as a matter of fact, I want to hear a little bit more of what he said. Listen, our cut twenty one. We're still hearing the recently obtained confession by the thirteen year old honor student who stabs his mom dead. She's lying next to her infant baby girl. Listen, I'll let's get back to your mom.

Okay.

Okay.

He said she was sleeving.

He said she was sleeving.

Okay, where exactly did.

Okay, where exactly did.

You cover her?

You cover her?

At the first side?

At the first side?

Coming best shot undernet?

Coming best shot undernet?

This is the name La was hearing every year. Noble says, O your step here, tell you know.

This is the name La was hearing every year. Noble says, O your step here, tell you know.

That that's called the pareor something in her?

That that's called the pareor something in her?

Yeah?

Yeah?

Okay, And and you heard Sally went with her when you after sign then like okay, was there a lot of blood after her?

Okay, And and you heard Sally went with her when you after sign then like okay, was there a lot of blood after her?

Was there? He thought of blood affordance?

Was there? He thought of blood affordance?

Okay?

Okay?

Did you tell her anything before you sat?

Did you tell her anything before you sat?

Did you say anything?

Did you say anything?

Answer?

Answer?

Dress or the Sanish curs bass. But she didn't wink up when you She was asleeping. She was asleep when you saw Yes, and then she will go after seven.

Dress or the Sanish curs bass. But she didn't wink up when you She was asleeping. She was asleep when you saw Yes, and then she will go after seven.

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She did.

She did.

She was.

She was.

Okay, let me understand what I'm hearing. Alexis Tereschak joining us from crime online dot Com. He's saying that he said a curse word to his mom in Spanish. It was merrikan, which is a homosexual slur. To my understanding, that's what he said. Is that correct?

Okay, let me understand what I'm hearing. Alexis Tereschak joining us from crime online dot Com. He's saying that he said a curse word to his mom in Spanish. It was merrikan, which is a homosexual slur. To my understanding, that's what he said. Is that correct?

Yes, It's just it's mind modeling that this child says that he said this bad thing to her and then he stabs her forty eight times while she's sleeping, and I feel like it's it's I'm an important point out that she was fully asleep in her bed and really didn't even fight back, because this was so quick and so violent. Because within he was right at eleven as the nanny hammer or the baby monitor cam shows that it was set up to look in the crib, which was right next to the bed, and he is shown there at eleven o'clock, and then thirty minutes later, he's already sent messages to his friends and he's already called the police. This was super fast.

Yes, It's just it's mind modeling that this child says that he said this bad thing to her and then he stabs her forty eight times while she's sleeping, and I feel like it's it's I'm an important point out that she was fully asleep in her bed and really didn't even fight back, because this was so quick and so violent. Because within he was right at eleven as the nanny hammer or the baby monitor cam shows that it was set up to look in the crib, which was right next to the bed, and he is shown there at eleven o'clock, and then thirty minutes later, he's already sent messages to his friends and he's already called the police. This was super fast.

She was not awake.

She was not awake.

She really didn't even fight back against this because he was so strong and he's not a big kid. He's still like a young queen. He's so young and not a big, hulking child or anything like Baddy skinny give me arms, and yet managed to do all of this. But yes, he says that he said something, he called her a bad word in Spanish.

She really didn't even fight back against this because he was so strong and he's not a big kid. He's still like a young queen. He's so young and not a big, hulking child or anything like Baddy skinny give me arms, and yet managed to do all of this. But yes, he says that he said something, he called her a bad word in Spanish.

Yeah, I don't even understand the contexts? Is that, Matthew Manena jump in.

Yeah, I don't even understand the contexts? Is that, Matthew Manena jump in.

Yes, so it's Nancy. I mean, obviously you know this is a crime of rage, know how this slur works into this the overall intent here. But you know, to stab somebody, your mother forty eight times, you're really, you know, enraged, I mean you're wanting to.

Yes, so it's Nancy. I mean, obviously you know this is a crime of rage, know how this slur works into this the overall intent here. But you know, to stab somebody, your mother forty eight times, you're really, you know, enraged, I mean you're wanting to.

Do Man, what is that supposed to mean to me? That he's enraged? That's not a defense. So I don't care. You can't say, oh, I did it but I was angry angry, It's not a defense.

Do Man, what is that supposed to mean to me? That he's enraged? That's not a defense. So I don't care. You can't say, oh, I did it but I was angry angry, It's not a defense.

Matthew Mangino, Well, I'd like to know why a thirteen year old boy would would make a homosexual slur toward his mother in staber forty eight times.

Matthew Mangino, Well, I'd like to know why a thirteen year old boy would would make a homosexual slur toward his mother in staber forty eight times.

Yeah, I'd like to know too, But unless it rises to insanity, it doesn't change the outcome of these facts. If he's legally insane, then he should not go to jail. Absolutely not. If he's not, then he should.

Yeah, I'd like to know too, But unless it rises to insanity, it doesn't change the outcome of these facts. If he's legally insane, then he should not go to jail. Absolutely not. If he's not, then he should.

Yeah, but he's thirteen years old, and Nancy, and in Florida, you know, unless the grand jury indicate you would happen here, you can't even charge a a fourteen year old, you know, with with murder. I mean you know, I mean a thirteen year old, you know, under the age of fourteen.

Yeah, but he's thirteen years old, and Nancy, and in Florida, you know, unless the grand jury indicate you would happen here, you can't even charge a a fourteen year old, you know, with with murder. I mean you know, I mean a thirteen year old, you know, under the age of fourteen.

Yes, it's going to have to be a grand jury indictment.

Yes, it's going to have to be a grand jury indictment.

And it was so, And Nancy, can I heard one thing else about this? Yes? Is Paty is. And one of the things that we have to remind ourselves is in South Florida, law enforcement puts that video on the minute they walked into the room and it doesn't turn off until the end, so you're capturing everything he says from the minute he's the detectives talk to him. So that makes that confession very important. Now, haven't had cases of an individual this young who committed a murder many years ago. We know it's going to go to grandeur, we know there's going to be doctors involved, but when it comes to his statement, it's going to be clearly seen in this clear new scene. That's why they released all this video showing that he did understand, he was saying what happened. He wasn't confused, he wasn't him showing any emotion. And important thing is to know that the video doesn't turn off and on. It stays on the entire time. So I think that's an important aspect of this case that in South Florida, the police we videotaped from the minute they come in to the end. There's no break in the video. There's no so there's no pre you know, questioning like they used to do in the old day's note. From the minute he comes in and sitsts down, that video turns on.

And it was so, And Nancy, can I heard one thing else about this? Yes? Is Paty is. And one of the things that we have to remind ourselves is in South Florida, law enforcement puts that video on the minute they walked into the room and it doesn't turn off until the end, so you're capturing everything he says from the minute he's the detectives talk to him. So that makes that confession very important. Now, haven't had cases of an individual this young who committed a murder many years ago. We know it's going to go to grandeur, we know there's going to be doctors involved, but when it comes to his statement, it's going to be clearly seen in this clear new scene. That's why they released all this video showing that he did understand, he was saying what happened. He wasn't confused, he wasn't him showing any emotion. And important thing is to know that the video doesn't turn off and on. It stays on the entire time. So I think that's an important aspect of this case that in South Florida, the police we videotaped from the minute they come in to the end. There's no break in the video. There's no so there's no pre you know, questioning like they used to do in the old day's note. From the minute he comes in and sitsts down, that video turns on.

I'm glad to hear that. I'm glad to hear that. And guys, speaking of that video we've just obtained, take a listen to more.

I'm glad to hear that. I'm glad to hear that. And guys, speaking of that video we've just obtained, take a listen to more.

And you.

And you.

Why you man saved by the bill? A million dollar question? Why did you stab your mom? Can I go to the bathroom? That's what happened, and this is what happens when it comes back from the bathroom. Listen.

Why you man saved by the bill? A million dollar question? Why did you stab your mom? Can I go to the bathroom? That's what happened, and this is what happens when it comes back from the bathroom. Listen.

So if you're about the times, and.

So if you're about the times, and.

That's why did you love your mother?

That's why did you love your mother?

Now get your chest?

Now get your chest?

Okay, it's fun.

Okay, it's fun.

We can.

We can.

Just want to say okay you and have connections or us should you forward.

Just want to say okay you and have connections or us should you forward.

We're not here to advise you on whether to talk or.

We're not here to advise you on whether to talk or.

Sorry, But if you are seeing a lawyer, we can't hear you for set you have communion you.

Sorry, But if you are seeing a lawyer, we can't hear you for set you have communion you.

Wants yes, so we never get the answer why did you stab your mom? Of course, the lawyers are doing backflips to get this confession thrown out of evidence, and they want it sealed so no one can ever see it. Listen to our friend Nicole Parton.

Wants yes, so we never get the answer why did you stab your mom? Of course, the lawyers are doing backflips to get this confession thrown out of evidence, and they want it sealed so no one can ever see it. Listen to our friend Nicole Parton.

Attorneys failed at keeping the police interview sealed, and in the interview Rosa Tael's officers, he had fallen asleep. When he woke up, he goes to the kitchen, grabs a knife and begins stabbing his mother while she sleeps. His mother wakes up and screams, but his little sister did not wake up during the attack.

Attorneys failed at keeping the police interview sealed, and in the interview Rosa Tael's officers, he had fallen asleep. When he woke up, he goes to the kitchen, grabs a knife and begins stabbing his mother while she sleeps. His mother wakes up and screams, but his little sister did not wake up during the attack.

So the defense lawyers wanted it sealed so we can never see it, but they failed. Why is that, Matthew Mangino, is it the for your freedom of him? For act? Is that that Florida has the Sunshine Law. Everything's out in the open. Why was this released?

So the defense lawyers wanted it sealed so we can never see it, but they failed. Why is that, Matthew Mangino, is it the for your freedom of him? For act? Is that that Florida has the Sunshine Law. Everything's out in the open. Why was this released?

Well, I mean there has to be, you know, a reason, a sufficient reason for the court to steal a record obviously if if there is a statement that made it's relevant. I mean, the courts always want to be open as much as possible. They want the opportunity for the public to be able to scrutinize what goes on in a court room and what's part of the record. So there really has to be some compelling reason to steal a record, maybe because it would you know, embarrassed people who aren't directly related to the case and things like that.

Well, I mean there has to be, you know, a reason, a sufficient reason for the court to steal a record obviously if if there is a statement that made it's relevant. I mean, the courts always want to be open as much as possible. They want the opportunity for the public to be able to scrutinize what goes on in a court room and what's part of the record. So there really has to be some compelling reason to steal a record, maybe because it would you know, embarrassed people who aren't directly related to the case and things like that.

Well, another thing is if this does go to trial, this will be introduced, I believe. So therefore it's not something that may never come to the jury's review. This will come before a jury. It's not like the judges unsealing something that a jury should not or would not know about. They're going to see this and they're going to hear this, but it's not necessarily just this that I believe makes me believe Derek Rosa will be convicted for murdering his mother, stabbing her forty eight times. It's not just what he did at the time of the stabbing, it's what he did after. Take a listen to Rachel Benia Crime on line cut thirty three.

Well, another thing is if this does go to trial, this will be introduced, I believe. So therefore it's not something that may never come to the jury's review. This will come before a jury. It's not like the judges unsealing something that a jury should not or would not know about. They're going to see this and they're going to hear this, but it's not necessarily just this that I believe makes me believe Derek Rosa will be convicted for murdering his mother, stabbing her forty eight times. It's not just what he did at the time of the stabbing, it's what he did after. Take a listen to Rachel Benia Crime on line cut thirty three.

When officers arrive in the scene of the attack, they find Garcia left split on the floor with dozens of knife wounds, including a slashed artery in her neck. Laying near her to see smother is her two week old baby, still laying in her crib. As part of the grizzly display, The Daily Mail reports, thirteen year old Derek Rosa takes a smiling selfie sticking his tongue out with what appears to be blood smeared on his hands. Rosa sends the photo to a friend right after the killing.

When officers arrive in the scene of the attack, they find Garcia left split on the floor with dozens of knife wounds, including a slashed artery in her neck. Laying near her to see smother is her two week old baby, still laying in her crib. As part of the grizzly display, The Daily Mail reports, thirteen year old Derek Rosa takes a smiling selfie sticking his tongue out with what appears to be blood smeared on his hands. Rosa sends the photo to a friend right after the killing.

Okay, that visual thing I'm not going to get out of my mind anytime, saying Karen Stark.

Okay, that visual thing I'm not going to get out of my mind anytime, saying Karen Stark.

Well, Nancy, I mean that makes perfect sense, because we're talking about a thirteen year old who singingly has no conscience whatsoever. He's actually enjoying the fact that he just did that. And that's really hard for everybody to really comprehend. How can that be that this boy, who was an honor student, had no history of any kind of violence, wakes up in the night and decides to kill his mother, and they find her on the fush. She even wakes up, and she screams, and he doesn't pay attention. He could care less and then he's rejoicing.

Well, Nancy, I mean that makes perfect sense, because we're talking about a thirteen year old who singingly has no conscience whatsoever. He's actually enjoying the fact that he just did that. And that's really hard for everybody to really comprehend. How can that be that this boy, who was an honor student, had no history of any kind of violence, wakes up in the night and decides to kill his mother, and they find her on the fush. She even wakes up, and she screams, and he doesn't pay attention. He could care less and then he's rejoicing.

You have been hearing a recently obtained confession by the honor student accused of stabbing his mother forty eight times now interesting he left the baby's sister. There's been a lot of speculation that he was angry that his mom had had a baby, that he was now having to split her affections with the baby, and he actually addresses the baby in the original nine to one one call, Take a listening. If her Derrek Rose is speaking to investigators, listen to him on his original nine to one one call. After he stabs his mother and sends bloody selfies to his friends, he calls nine one one, Take a listener, Cut one.

You have been hearing a recently obtained confession by the honor student accused of stabbing his mother forty eight times now interesting he left the baby's sister. There's been a lot of speculation that he was angry that his mom had had a baby, that he was now having to split her affections with the baby, and he actually addresses the baby in the original nine to one one call, Take a listening. If her Derrek Rose is speaking to investigators, listen to him on his original nine to one one call. After he stabs his mother and sends bloody selfies to his friends, he calls nine one one, Take a listener, Cut one.

Okay, where else did you stop there all the night catting her neck?

Okay, where else did you stop there all the night catting her neck?

Why is your sister?

Why is your sister?

She's your grip sleeping?

She's your grip sleeping?

How old is your sister?

How old is your sister?

She's only a week old?

She's only a week old?

Okay?

Okay?

And you did not touch her? Correct?

And you did not touch her? Correct?

No, I did not touch you.

No, I did not touch you.

I don't want to touch my sister.

I don't want to touch my sister.

I need to know if your mom is is breathing.

I need to know if your mom is is breathing.

She said, miss I have the gun with me.

She said, miss I have the gun with me.

I was gonna shoot myself, but I didn't want to.

I was gonna shoot myself, but I didn't want to.

I didn't want to.

I didn't want to.

I pulled back to side, but I did not see Okay, let me understand something. Pat Dias as almost as if he wants an a plus for not murdering his sister, his baby sister as well. So I'm trying to make sense of him almost bragging, No, I didn't want to hurt my sister, but yet I stabbed my mom forty eight times exactly.

I pulled back to side, but I did not see Okay, let me understand something. Pat Dias as almost as if he wants an a plus for not murdering his sister, his baby sister as well. So I'm trying to make sense of him almost bragging, No, I didn't want to hurt my sister, but yet I stabbed my mom forty eight times exactly.

And this is without is a confessional, and the phone call, when the jury would hear his phone call, is enough to convict him. But just the fact that his mental state of mind, that he was able to articulate what he did, makes a huge difference when it goes in front of a grand jury or front of a jury period. And that's what everybody's going to see and hear, is how he articulates what happened and what he did do and what he didn't do. So he basically gave it a second confession independent of the police. So that's another issue that the defense attorneys will have to deal with in court.

And this is without is a confessional, and the phone call, when the jury would hear his phone call, is enough to convict him. But just the fact that his mental state of mind, that he was able to articulate what he did, makes a huge difference when it goes in front of a grand jury or front of a jury period. And that's what everybody's going to see and hear, is how he articulates what happened and what he did do and what he didn't do. So he basically gave it a second confession independent of the police. So that's another issue that the defense attorneys will have to deal with in court.

You're right, Pat Diaz. The confession he gave to police, which has all been recorded, which we've played for you now, is corroborating. As Pat Diaz has just pointed out, the nine to one one call. He describes not only stabbing his mother, not touching his infant sister, but he goes on to describe what he did after the murder. Take a listen to our cut to the nine to one one original call.

You're right, Pat Diaz. The confession he gave to police, which has all been recorded, which we've played for you now, is corroborating. As Pat Diaz has just pointed out, the nine to one one call. He describes not only stabbing his mother, not touching his infant sister, but he goes on to describe what he did after the murder. Take a listen to our cut to the nine to one one original call.

I need to know that you think we can help your mom, she said, I have more family members. They can take care of my sister. I took pictures and I told my friend about it.

I need to know that you think we can help your mom, she said, I have more family members. They can take care of my sister. I took pictures and I told my friend about it.

Was that bad?

Was that bad?

Do you talk old about it my friends?

Do you talk old about it my friends?

Your friends, and you send pictures.

Your friends, and you send pictures.

To your friends?

To your friends?

The what you do?

The what you do?

Yeah, I didn't really need to pictures off my phone, but I sent him to him and I told also, and then I'm okay, I'm.

Yeah, I didn't really need to pictures off my phone, but I sent him to him and I told also, and then I'm okay, I'm.

Okay, it's all about him. I mean, Matthew man Gino, the law is very clear, and I'm quoting directly the black and white letter of the law. One may immediately regret the deed, but that regret does not negate intent at the time of the act.

Okay, it's all about him. I mean, Matthew man Gino, the law is very clear, and I'm quoting directly the black and white letter of the law. One may immediately regret the deed, but that regret does not negate intent at the time of the act.

Matthew Mangino, Well, yeah, I mean, the intent is what you formed before you act.

Matthew Mangino, Well, yeah, I mean, the intent is what you formed before you act.

You know, what you regret after you've acted does not negate the intent to kill. So certainly you know you may have regretted it but you formed this proper intent to carry it out, and you did carry it out. So that is in no way defense. Maybe it's mitigation in some.

You know, what you regret after you've acted does not negate the intent to kill. So certainly you know you may have regretted it but you formed this proper intent to carry it out, and you did carry it out. So that is in no way defense. Maybe it's mitigation in some.

Way, but it's not.

Way, but it's not.

Also, he goes on in further detail to describe sending the bloody selfies to friends. What do you think of You're he's gonna make of this? Let's start cut twelve.

Also, he goes on in further detail to describe sending the bloody selfies to friends. What do you think of You're he's gonna make of this? Let's start cut twelve.

I need to know if your mom is breathing, keep that right all over the floor.

I need to know if your mom is breathing, keep that right all over the floor.

Okay, why did you kill your mom?

Okay, why did you kill your mom?

I need to know.

I need to know.

Do you think we can help your mom?

Do you think we can help your mom?

Let that could bring.

Let that could bring.

Over here?

Over here?

What I knew?

What I knew?

What did you add you?

What did you add you?

Yes, I took pictures and I told my friends about it with that bad you.

Yes, I took pictures and I told my friends about it with that bad you.

Talk old about it my friends, your friends, and you send pictures to your friends and.

Talk old about it my friends, your friends, and you send pictures to your friends and.

What you did?

What you did?

Yeah, do not open until I tell you to open the door, and to make sure that you have nothing but yourself one.

Yeah, do not open until I tell you to open the door, and to make sure that you have nothing but yourself one.

In your hands. They're gonna kill me. No, they're not gonna kill you. We're here to help you.

In your hands. They're gonna kill me. No, they're not gonna kill you. We're here to help you.

Okay, We're gonna help your family.

Okay, We're gonna help your family.

Okay.

Okay.

In addition to these recordings, there is heart stopping baby cam video showing this Florida Honors student, age thirteen, standing over his mother's bed, just an instant before he stabbed her dead as a kneeborn sister is sleeping nearby. Now again, the last time that Derek Rose appears in court, his father is asking for leniency and mercy, just as he did before. Take a listen to Jose Rosaw in court.

In addition to these recordings, there is heart stopping baby cam video showing this Florida Honors student, age thirteen, standing over his mother's bed, just an instant before he stabbed her dead as a kneeborn sister is sleeping nearby. Now again, the last time that Derek Rose appears in court, his father is asking for leniency and mercy, just as he did before. Take a listen to Jose Rosaw in court.

It's hard for us to explain how this occurred.

It's hard for us to explain how this occurred.

You know, it's it's difficult, but I guess what we're asking for is to another opportunity. It's second chance to help him grow and become a choice of grow mad, to to put this behind him and say.

You know, it's it's difficult, but I guess what we're asking for is to another opportunity. It's second chance to help him grow and become a choice of grow mad, to to put this behind him and say.

We have your back, We're here to support you. It's very unfortunate that this tragedy occurred. But this child is very humble, very peaceful.

We have your back, We're here to support you. It's very unfortunate that this tragedy occurred. But this child is very humble, very peaceful.

That may all be true, but he is also a killer, which leaves prosecutors and judges in the horrible position of trying to figure out what is the right thing to do? And I have faced that on many, many occasions, what is the right thing to do? And Karen Stark, you and I very often disagreed, because when I'm overwhelmed trying to make a right decision, like in a plea negotiation or suggesting a sentence recommending a sentence at the end of a trial. When I don't know what to do, I directly follow the black and white letter of the law. And under the law, if he is not insane, he must go to prison, of course, a juvenile facility until he's twenty one, and then he would finish out his sentence in an adult facility after he is of age.

That may all be true, but he is also a killer, which leaves prosecutors and judges in the horrible position of trying to figure out what is the right thing to do? And I have faced that on many, many occasions, what is the right thing to do? And Karen Stark, you and I very often disagreed, because when I'm overwhelmed trying to make a right decision, like in a plea negotiation or suggesting a sentence recommending a sentence at the end of a trial. When I don't know what to do, I directly follow the black and white letter of the law. And under the law, if he is not insane, he must go to prison, of course, a juvenile facility until he's twenty one, and then he would finish out his sentence in an adult facility after he is of age.

Well, Nancy, but the thing is, this is a thirteen year old. He's not an adult. This is where it becomes very difficult to decide what to do, because you can even give a diagnosis of psychopathy when you're talking about someone who's thirteen.

Well, Nancy, but the thing is, this is a thirteen year old. He's not an adult. This is where it becomes very difficult to decide what to do, because you can even give a diagnosis of psychopathy when you're talking about someone who's thirteen.

You can talk about.

You can talk about.

Conduct disorder with callous and unemotional traits, which is where I would say this particular child said, you know.

Conduct disorder with callous and unemotional traits, which is where I would say this particular child said, you know.

What, Karen starts, You bring him home to your penthouse apartment in Manhattan and you let him stay there because everybody that says he needs lenient treatment. You take him home, okay, because there's no way in HGWL that I would have him around my children.

What, Karen starts, You bring him home to your penthouse apartment in Manhattan and you let him stay there because everybody that says he needs lenient treatment. You take him home, okay, because there's no way in HGWL that I would have him around my children.

Now.

Now.

Is that harsh?

Is that harsh?

Yes?

Yes?

Is it true? Yes? And very often the truth doesn't taste very good going down. But I mean, Alexis Tereshak, you want to bring him home and let a baby sit for your baby.

Is it true? Yes? And very often the truth doesn't taste very good going down. But I mean, Alexis Tereshak, you want to bring him home and let a baby sit for your baby.

Oh hell no, he's actually being held in an adult jail right now, but.

Oh hell no, he's actually being held in an adult jail right now, but.

He is segregated from the population the cause of the charge that he has Alexis Tereschuk. What is next for this honor stuit killer.

He is segregated from the population the cause of the charge that he has Alexis Tereschuk. What is next for this honor stuit killer.

Well, he's supposed to go to trial in March. This is supposed to start very quickly. His defense attorney just the other day requested to go back to the apartment by themselves and take videos and pictures for their side of the case. The judge really and the prosecutors really fought against this, but the judge allowed it. So the defense team went to the apartment. They were allowed to be in there for three hours, and the prosecutors were not allowed in there with them, And then that is all they can do there. Because the stepfather has given up the least for the apartment. He says he wants to move. He cannot be there anymore. It's way too painful for him. So he's moving on, and they are still his lawyers are still trying to work with the prosecutors because they do not want him tried as an adult. But as of right now, he's going to be tried as an adult.

Well, he's supposed to go to trial in March. This is supposed to start very quickly. His defense attorney just the other day requested to go back to the apartment by themselves and take videos and pictures for their side of the case. The judge really and the prosecutors really fought against this, but the judge allowed it. So the defense team went to the apartment. They were allowed to be in there for three hours, and the prosecutors were not allowed in there with them, And then that is all they can do there. Because the stepfather has given up the least for the apartment. He says he wants to move. He cannot be there anymore. It's way too painful for him. So he's moving on, and they are still his lawyers are still trying to work with the prosecutors because they do not want him tried as an adult. But as of right now, he's going to be tried as an adult.

It's gonna be a plea watch. We wait as just as unfolds. Goodbye friend,

It's gonna be a plea watch. We wait as just as unfolds. Goodbye friend,