Five-year-old Ann Pham is the youngest of 10 children, but her family felt her so responsible that the parents allowed the girl to walk the few blocks to her kindergarten class alone. 

Pham never made it. She had been suffocated, sexually assaulted, and her body discarded.  according to police.

Now, thanks to new DNA technology, Robert John Lanoue, 70, a former Fort Ord soldier, is charged with one count of first-degree murder, with special circumstances.  

Joining Nancy Grace Today:
Dr. Ed Green - Founder: Astrea Forensics, Professor of Biomolecular Engineering, University of California, Santa Cruz, AstreaForensics.com
Darryl Cohen - Former Assistant District Attorney, Fulton County, Georgia, Defense Attorney, Cohen, Cooper, Estep, & Allen, LLC, CCEAlaw.com
Caryn Stark - NYC Psychologist, CarynStark.com, Twitter: @carynpsych, Facebook: "Caryn Stark" 
Sheryl McCollum - Forensic Expert, Founder: Cold Case Investigative Research Institute in Atlanta, GA, ColdCaseCrimes.org, @ColdCaseTips 
Dr. Michelle DuPre - Former Forensic Pathologist, Medical Examiner and Detective: Lexington County Sheriff's Department, Author: "Homicide Investigation Field Guide" & "Investigating Child Abuse Field Guide", Forensic Consultant, DMichelleDupreMD.com 
Scott Rates - News Director/Anchor KION 46, Facebook.com/RealScottRates, Twitter: @RealScottRates,, Instagram: @real.news.rates 

Five-year-old Ann Pham is the youngest of 10 children, but her family felt her so responsible that the parents allowed the girl to walk the few blocks to her kindergarten class alone. 
Pham never made it. She had been suffocated, sexually assaulted, and her body discarded.  according to police.
Now, thanks to new DNA technology, Robert John Lanoue, 70, a former Fort Ord soldier, is charged with one count of first-degree murder, with special circumstances.  
Joining Nancy Grace Today:
<ul>
<li>Dr. Ed Green - Founder: Astrea Forensics, Professor of Biomolecular Engineering, University of California, Santa Cruz, AstreaForensics.com</li>
<li>Darryl Cohen - Former Assistant District Attorney, Fulton County, Georgia, Defense Attorney, Cohen, Cooper, Estep, &amp; Allen, LLC, CCEAlaw.com</li>
<li>Caryn Stark - NYC Psychologist, CarynStark.com, Twitter: @carynpsych, Facebook: "Caryn Stark" </li>
<li>Sheryl McCollum - Forensic Expert, Founder: Cold Case Investigative Research Institute in Atlanta, GA, ColdCaseCrimes.org, @ColdCaseTips </li>
<li>Dr. Michelle DuPre - Former Forensic Pathologist, Medical Examiner and Detective: Lexington County Sheriff's Department, Author: "Homicide Investigation Field Guide" &amp; "Investigating Child Abuse Field Guide", Forensic Consultant, DMichelleDupreMD.com </li>
<li>Scott Rates - News Director/Anchor KION 46, Facebook.com/RealScottRates, Twitter: @RealScottRates,, Instagram: @real.news.rates </li>
</ul>

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GIRL, 5, WALKS ALONE TO SCHOOL, MURDERED

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A friend of R&B artist D4vd was apprehended in Montana after authorities reported that he failed to show up as a witness in a homicide case in Los Angeles involving the death of a teen girl Celeste Rivas. 

A friend of R&amp;B artist D4vd was apprehended in Montana after authorities reported that he failed to show up as a witness in a homicide case in Los Angeles involving the death of a teen girl Celeste Rivas.&nbsp;

Friend of Singer D4VD Arrested  After Failing to Appear as Grand Jury Witness in  Celeste Rivas Case | Crime Alert 6AM 01.26.26

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Nearly four decades after the Colonial Parkway murders first shocked Virginia, new DNA links have expanded the known scope of the case while raising questions about investigative accountability.

In this episode of "Zone 7," Sheryl McCollum is joined by Bill Thomas, whose sister Cathy Thomas was one of the original victims, and Kristin Dilley, his long-time investigative partner and co-host of the podcast, "Mind Over Murder."

They walk through the latest DNA identifications tied to Alan Wade Wilmer Sr., the procedural barriers that keep his profile out of CODIS, and the growing divide between state-level momentum and federal inaction.

Their discussion centers on what happens when evidence advances while communication and action stall.

Enjoying Zone 7? Leave a rating and review where you listen to podcasts. Your feedback helps others find the show and supports the mission to educate, engage, and inspire.

Guest Bios:

Bill Thomas is a victim advocate and the brother of Cathy Thomas, one of the original victims of the Colonial Parkway murders. For nearly four decades, he has worked with law enforcement, forensic experts, and journalists to seek answers in his sister’s case and accountability for all affected families. Bill is co-host of the podcast, "Mind Over Murder," where he focuses on cold cases, investigative transparency, and the systemic challenges families face in long-term homicide investigations.

Kristin Dilley is a true crime podcaster, researcher, writer, and teacher based in Williamsburg, Virginia. Kristin has worked alongside Bill Thomas for more than seven years and is the co-host of "Mind Over Murder," where she examines cold cases with an emphasis on evidence, patterns, and victim-centered accountability.

About the Host

Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an active crime scene investigator for a Metro Atlanta Police Department and the director of the Cold Case Investigative Research Institute, which partners with colleges and universities nationwide. With more than 4 decades of experience, she has worked on thousands of cold cases using her investigative system, The Last 24/361, which integrates evidence, media, and advanced forensic testing.

Her work on high-profile cases, including The Boston Strangler, Natalie Holloway, Tupac Shakur and the Moore’s Ford Bridge lynching, led to her Emmy Award for "CSI: Atlanta" and induction into the National Law Enforcement Hall of Fame in 2023.



Social Links:

• Email: coldcase2004@gmail.com

• Twitter: @149zone7

• Facebook: @sheryl.mccollum

• Instagram: @officialzone7podcast



Preorder Sheryl’s upcoming book, "Swans Don’t Swim in a Sewer: Lessons in Life, Justice, and Joy from a Forensic Scientist," releasing May 2026 from Simon and Schuster.

 

Highlights:

• (0:00) Sheryl McCollum opens Zone 7by addressing stalled accountability in long- running cold cases

• (0:45) Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley return to Zone 7 and reflect on their investigative partnership

• (2:00) Bill remembers his sister Cathy Thomas, her Naval Academy legacy, her character, and her friend Rebecca Ann Dowski

• (5:15) How advocacy and podcasting have helped families move forward on the Colonial Parkway murders

• (9:15) The January 2024 public announcement linking Allen Wade Wilmer Sr. to multiple victims

• (10:15) The confirmed DNA connection to Laurie Ann Powell

• (13:15) Why Wilmer’s DNA is not in CODIS despite evidence of sexual assault

• (17:00) Federal communication failures and the limits of victim services updates

• (19:15) The contrast between FBI silence and Virginia State Police persistence

• (22:45) Whether Cathy Thomas’s case is closer to resolution and what emerging patterns suggest

• (25:15) Evidence handling failures and the long-term consequences for families

• (33:15) Closing reflections on persistence, accountability, and the cost of waiting decades for answers



 

Nearly four decades after the Colonial Parkway murders first shocked Virginia, new DNA links&nbsp;have expanded the known scope of the case while raising questions about investigative&nbsp;accountability.
In this episode of "Zone 7," Sheryl McCollum is joined by Bill Thomas, whose sister Cathy Thomas was one of the original victims, and Kristin Dilley, his long-time investigative partner and co-host of the podcast, "Mind Over Murder."
They walk through the latest DNA identifications tied to Alan Wade Wilmer Sr., the procedural barriers that keep his profile out of CODIS, and the growing divide between state-level momentum and federal inaction.
Their discussion centers on what happens when evidence advances while communication and action stall.
Enjoying Zone 7? Leave a rating and review where you listen to podcasts. Your feedback helps&nbsp;others find the show and supports the mission to educate, engage, and inspire.
Guest Bios:
Bill Thomas is a victim advocate and the brother of Cathy Thomas, one of the original victims of the Colonial Parkway murders. For nearly four decades, he has worked with law enforcement, forensic experts, and journalists to seek answers in his sister&rsquo;s case and accountability for all affected families. Bill is co-host of the podcast, "Mind Over Murder," where he focuses on cold cases, investigative transparency, and the systemic challenges families face in long-term homicide investigations.
Kristin Dilley is a true crime podcaster, researcher, writer, and teacher based in Williamsburg, Virginia. Kristin has worked alongside Bill Thomas for more than seven years and is the co-host of "Mind Over Murder," where she examines cold cases with an emphasis on evidence, patterns, and victim-centered accountability.
About the Host
Sheryl &ldquo;Mac&rdquo; McCollum is an active crime scene investigator for a Metro Atlanta Police&nbsp;Department and the director of the Cold Case Investigative Research Institute, which partners&nbsp;with colleges and universities nationwide. With more than 4 decades of experience, she has&nbsp;worked on thousands of cold cases using her investigative system, The Last 24/361, which&nbsp;integrates evidence, media, and advanced forensic testing.
Her work on high-profile cases, including The Boston Strangler, Natalie Holloway, Tupac Shakur and the Moore&rsquo;s Ford Bridge lynching, led to her Emmy Award for "CSI: Atlanta" and induction into the National Law&nbsp;Enforcement Hall of Fame in 2023. 
Social Links:
&bull; Email: coldcase2004@gmail.com
&bull; Twitter: @149zone7
&bull; Facebook: @sheryl.mccollum
&bull; Instagram: @officialzone7podcast 
Preorder Sheryl&rsquo;s upcoming book, "<a href="https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Swans-Dont-Swim-in-a-Sewer/Sheryl-Mac-McCollum/9798895652824">Swans Don&rsquo;t Swim in a Sewer: Lessons in Life, </a>Justice, and Joy from a Forensic Scientist," releasing May 2026 from Simon and Schuster.
&nbsp;
Highlights:
&bull; (0:00) Sheryl McCollum opens Zone 7by addressing stalled accountability in long-&nbsp;running cold cases
&bull; (0:45) Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley return to Zone 7 and reflect on their investigative&nbsp;partnership
&bull; (2:00) Bill remembers his sister Cathy Thomas, her Naval Academy legacy, her&nbsp;character, and her friend Rebecca Ann Dowski
&bull; (5:15) How advocacy and podcasting have helped families move forward on the Colonial&nbsp;Parkway murders
&bull; (9:15) The January 2024 public announcement linking Allen Wade Wilmer Sr. to multiple&nbsp;victims
&bull; (10:15) The confirmed DNA connection to Laurie Ann Powell
&bull; (13:15) Why Wilmer&rsquo;s DNA is not in CODIS despite evidence of sexual assault
&bull; (17:00) Federal communication failures and the limits of victim services updates
&bull; (19:15) The contrast between FBI silence and Virginia State Police persistence
&bull; (22:45) Whether Cathy Thomas&rsquo;s case is closer to resolution and what emerging&nbsp;patterns suggest
&bull; (25:15) Evidence handling failures and the long-term consequences for families
&bull; (33:15) Closing reflections on persistence, accountability, and the cost of waiting&nbsp;decades for answers 
&nbsp;

Colonial Parkway Murders Update_ New DNA Links and the CODIS Question

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Unlicensed Driver Intentionally Runs of 6 YO| Crime Alert Recap Saturday 01.24.26

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