Disturbing information has emerged in the Madeline Soto murder case as police release interviews with her mother, Jennifer Soto, and details of Maddie’s cause of death.
During Madeline Soto’s autopsy, the medical examiner, Dr. Stephan Giles, raised concerns about her hyoid bone. Dr. Giles noted that the right portion of the bone was not intact, suggesting possible strangulation. The autopsy confirmed that Madeline Soto died from strangulation, and her death was ruled a homicide.
Investigators discovered shocking internet searches on a computer used by Stephan Sterns, including a search for Sevoflurane, a volatile anesthetic used for hypnosis, amnesia, analgesia, akinesia, and autonomic blockade during surgical procedures.
Another released detail revealed that the socks Maddie was wearing were clean, indicating her feet never touched the ground while wearing them. This is significant, as Maddie’s body was found in a wooded area behind a locked fence. Police believe her body was either dropped over the barbed wire fence or carried through the gate before being moved to the location where she was found.
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Mattie Soto just thirteen years old, cod cause of death strangulation, and now in a disgusting reveal, her mother. Mattie Soto's mother is insisting her boyfriend, mommy's live in, who was raping Mattie sex abusing her since she was eleven.
That the sex abuse is not evil.
Repeat Mattie Soto's mother and I found this in a supplemental police report states that her live in mommy's living Stephen Stearn's sex abusing Mattie since age eleven. It's not evil, I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
Then big good school. I went to pick her up in the school say.
And she never came out.
I can't find her.
She didn't walk to the office, and she wasn't at school when I went to get grow up, she said, she never mad it. What do you mean I dropped her off or we dropped her off most of school and she said she didn't make it for the second period. I said, please check with the rest of your friends.
That's why I knew something was wrong, and I freaked out.
We were all going to sleep together in the same bed. But I needed some good sleep, and I got a new job recently, I haven't been more arrested. I needed some sleep, so I asked, Hey, can you guys go to the guest bedroom upstairs. I knew he was going to get her ready and.
Sorry, okay, so you needed some good seven.
O'clock, yeah, I sent them upstairs and I went to bed.
Stephen Stern slept with Madeline Soto and her mother on a regular basis without her mother present, including the night before she was murdered.
Jennifer Soto tells.
Mattie she has a really bad headache and tells Maddie to take Stephen Stern's and go sleep in an upstairs bedroom.
Is anybody else's head exploding? I mean hers has definitely exploded already. Jackie's gone. She sends her daughter to go sleep with her lover the night before she's dead.
I want to look at the timeline here.
Shannon Butler a joining me again, renowned investigative reporter on WFTV nine. Shannon, if you look at the timeline, can we just talk about that one moment? Because I have a theory that Mattie was murdered by Stefan Stern the night before, because we've got him the next morning seven seven thirty am, he's already throwing out Maddie's backpack and her school laptop.
That's early in the morning. Why would he do that.
It's just like Scott Peterson trying to sell Lacy's car and getting the porn channel.
He knew she wasn't coming back.
Right, So why is he getting rid of her possessions at seven thirty am? That means she's already dead at seven point thirty a M.
I mean, I can't stand to look at this guy's face.
And again he's presumed innocent until proven guilty. So can we just talk about the timeline one moment? So well, mommy trundles her little girl, now thirteen, off to bed with her living who tells people he gets erections in bed with Maddie. She's killed in the night, and Mommy, what just slept all the way through it? I mean, analyzes the timeline for me, Shannon Butler, I think that's the working theory, even for law enforcement.
We know for a fact at seven point thirty that she was in fact at that is what the Orange County Sheriff's Office believed the original investigators on this case. But those hours in the night, that's where all the question is. They believe she was killed, but they don't know exactly what time, and it seems the medical examiner can't figure that out either. But they do know that in those hours before seven thirty and after they went to bed, something happened there.
The question is how did nobody in that house?
If you if you read the document, you could tell there were several people inside that home, very few heard anything or saw anything. The mother never woke up, She didn't see her daughter before she went to school. And because of that, that is why it's so hard to pinpoint exact working theater up.
I think you just stated she didn't see her daughter before she went to school. What she told to nine one one, She told nine one one she saw her that morning, Yes.
And she told the original responding deputy that she did see her in the morning get ready for school.
But what she told us was that.
She didn't see her that morning. She saw the night before. There are statements all along here that are inconsistent. And I know what you think, and I know what other people think. How do you not know? I too know what my daughter wore to school this morning. There are a lot of questions about how she didn't know. Investigators have told me that she does take a lot of medication, and there are things that sometimes even she admits she's spacey, and I think that's now why they come.
She says, she takes a lot of medication. You think I care. Maddie is dead.
She's been raped since at least she was eleven at the least, and the live in videoed it down the hall from mommy. Now he killed her down the hall from mommy. I don't care what medication mommy is taking. Don't care, And at some point the inconsistencies coming out of Mommy's mouth are overwhelming.
Listen.
Jennifer Soto is confronted with inconsistencies and the version of events she is giving versus what her boyfriend, Stephan Stearns is saying. Telling police, she is giving Sterns the benefit of the doubt that he dropped Maddie off at school like he says, but qualifies the statement by adding Stephan is a master liar and a master manipulator.
Soto says she realizes he's guilty. The detective asks what she thinks he's guilty of Jennifer Soto says he's been grooming and abusing my child.
We were all going to sleep together in the same bed, but I needed some.
Good sleep, and I got a new job recently, I haven't been more arrested. I needed some sleep, so I asked, Hey, can you guys go to the guest bedroom upstairs.
I knew he was going to get her ready.
Inked, sorry, okay, so you needed some good seven o'clock.
Yeah, I sent them upstairs and I went to bed.
Thirteen year old Madeline Soto fails to show up at school, but mom's boyfriend swears he dropped her off in Florida. A desperate search ensues to find the missing team.
All right, and another thing, I just wanted to confirm, because I know the last night was a long night. But he said you You said.
When you woke up around nine.
You left your house at nine thirty for your doctor's appointment, and Stephan hadn't come home yet, and then he.
Called you at ten.
You were a return tenor ten?
FI feenish to say to have the conversation. Mcdonaldson.
Yeah, she and let McDonald so he came home. I think he had accidentally left his FORRN at home.
Yeah, so he was just letting me know because I had then I had called it a multiple fimes for he was just for turning my pubbling.
I'm so sorry I left the horn at home.
I went to the beep store. I waited there for a little bit and nothing. Nobody was there.
Did you hear what the mom just said? And yes, I know Stephan Stern is the one charge with murder, but in the last hours, mommy, Jennifer Soto actually says, I feel like I'm eating a dirt sandwich right now. The mother Jen Soto actually says him Stern's abusing, sex abusing, raping her daughter was not evil, that the murder was evil, but sex abusing her daughter was not evil. Now, that's as I and People Magazine understand the supplemental report.
Not evil.
When did that hit her that he was sex abusing her daughter. That's a nice way. That's candy coating for raping her. Shannon Butler with me, and I'm going to go to Karen Stark, Ali Neil and doctor Pria Banerjee along with Bernarda the Alona. But Shannon Butler, when was it that Jen Soto stated, it wasn't evil that her living Stefan Stearn was sex abusing her daughter.
When did that come out of her mouth?
Well, during the interviews with the investigators, she appeared to not know that this was going on in side of her home. It wasn't really until investigator showed her that phone that she said, oh, so there was something happening here, And then all of a sudden she believed that there were things that were happening with Stephen Stern, Stephan Stearn's and it wasn't everything she thought it was, but it was very very strange. Her behavior and the way she believed Madeline was treated was maybe just kind of the way it was that it was the fact that he killed her that was so disturbing to her. I think there was a lot of things here, even for us and for investigators, that you just cannot figure out.
You cannot figure out this mother very well.
And I don't Shannon Baller, I really like you.
I remember sitting right beside you, back on top of you during the Top Mom trial. Yeah, good times. But let's just analyze what you just said. Okay, she knew quite something was happening hapening You know, you're an incredible investigative reporter, but it's very difficult for people to actually say the words that this grown man, Stefan Sterns, age thirty seven, was raping him right there him was raping an eleven year old baby girl down the hall from her own mother, and mommy would send her off to bed to sleep alone with Stefan Sterns. And you said something was happening. What that's something is Shannon, well child ray, that's the something that was happening, and now the girl is dead.
Yes.
What she said was that she was uncomfortable with the situation with her Stephen Stearns sleeping with her daughter.
She said she was.
Uncomfortable, but did it anyway. Even said at one point that she was selfish about it because she wanted a good night's sleep and that's why she sent her up there the night before or the night when she died, but that this was uncomfortable for her, but she did it anyway. These are the things that I think that you and the public really have a hard time wrapping your head around.
As you should.
You know what, Shannon, It took me, believe it or not, about seven years into my ten year stint prosecuting violent crimes.
And this was after three years as a FED.
I was looking over a defendant chargement murder in court. The victim's family was behind me crying, and I looked a him.
And I thought why, And then it hit me after seven years, like a cement block.
Why ask why? I don't have to know why. I have to know the truth. I'm only why up to a TV radio trauma expert psychologist Karen Stark. If you're looking for her online, it's Karenstark dot com, Karen with a C. Karen Temple throbbing. Now do you remember sitting with me on the set at Court TV? And I can actually see my heart in my eyeball. That's happening right now? Can you be in that much denial? And honestly, I don't care if she was in denial or not. I'm just looking at it from a probit of point of view. If she was in that much denial, that's one thing. But how could you be so deep in denial you don't know what's going on in the bedroom next to you.
That's what denial is. It means that she's not letting herself know. Maybe on some levels she knows, but on another level she doesn't. But let's look at this because we have been up against this before. She's kind of selling her daughter to this man so that she could keep this man around. And that's somebody who's completely dependent. Maybe she had her own sexual abuse.
In the past.
We don't know what the story used in heaven.
Do you have a shred a particle of sentila, a microscopic bit of evidence to suggest Jen Soto had any sexual trauma in her history or any trauma period in her history. He just said maybe she was abused as a child. Where'd you get that from a fairy tale?
It's trying to understand, like we said, like what is the Why.
Would have just wrap the facts? Ma'am stick with the facts that we know.
I know you're looking for explanations, which is what you're supposed to do. And I need to hear that, and I need to hear her defense. Banara Bernara Violona is with us former prosecutor now were now defense attorney. Okay, I want to hear the defense. She's not charged, she's not a suspect, she's not a ply person of interest. I'm just looking at all the known inconsistencies in her statement. With the knowledge of the timeline that Shannon Butler and I have worked out along with LA law enforcement, this little girl was likely raped and murdered the night before the defendant props up her dead body and buckles it in and drives around with her in the car. Yeah, that happened. So give me the defense, BERNARDA, as only you can do.
I want to hear jen so Too's side.
So if I were Jennifer Sodle's defense attorney, one thing I would do is stop her from talking.
Remember, she is now required to give a statement.
Yes, it looks bad because she's the mother, and she should be opened with law enforcement because her daughter was killed, and she should want to find answers, especially a think I haven't seen those photographic images of her husband, the person that she loved, was taking advantage of a thirteen year old daughter. But the best defense at this point is for Jennifer Sodle to stop talking.
Now, if there.
Are charges, the question would be what exact evidence do they have because here, in a case like this, you will want a witness to come and speak and say, look, I saw Jennifer Soda and she was well aware of actually what transpired that night before or that morning.
And when she lied and she said that.
She saw her daughter getting dressed for school, she said that because she was a part of the crime. Again, we're assuming because no allegations of such had been made, but we have to be on the offense. When you're talking about defending a woman such as Jennifer Sodo and looks that.
It's horrible.
I'm disgusted so many ways. It's heartbreaking because no one for Madeleine Soto.
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Were all going to sleep together in the same bed. But I needed some good sleep. I'm not I got a new job recently, I haven't been well arrested. I needed some sleep. So I asked, Hey, can you guys go to the guest bedroom upstairs. I knew he was gonna get her ready, Inkedy.
Sorry, Okay, so you needed some good seven o'clock.
Yeah, I sent them upstairs and I went.
To bed, all right.
And another thing I just wanted to confirm, because I know the last night was a long night. But you said you you said when you woke up around nine, you left your house at nine thirty for your doctor's appointment and Stephan hadn't come home yet, and then he called you at ten. You were returned year ten fifteenish to say to have the conversation McDonald's.
And yeah, she didn't want McDonald's.
And he came home.
I think he had accidentally left his horn at home.
Yeah, so he was.
Just letting me know because I had to learn I had called it a multiple five. He was just returning my publn.
I'm so sorry. I left the corner at home.
I went to the beef store and weave there for a little bit.
And nothing sood he was there, I mean left the phone at home by accident. When he's disposing of the body, I think Brian Coburger that night, of all nights, while he's how stargazing, he leaves his phone at home coinstantly, the same time that four University Idaho students are murdered in their own beds. We're seeing that over and over and over where criminals have the savvy to turn off their phone.
Or leave it at home. But can we just talk one moment about how how.
Maddie's body is found And I want to circle back to the fact that even though her body's found out in the woods.
Apparently her body.
Had to be thrown over a chainling and Barbara fence, just thrown over. She was wearing socks, remember, out in the woods, totally pristine. You know that from one piece of evidence. You can just learn so much if you just sit down and think, what are those socks? Tell me? Those socks tell me that Maddie never left the house, that she was wearing those socks in the house when she was killed, or they would have been dirty because she didn't have any shoes on. Right, which lets me know where I need to look for the primary crime scene. It's not in a car. It's not in that field behind a Barbara fl answer. Her body was found.
In the home. Now that I know that, by power of deduction, what does that tell me?
It tells me that Mommy was in the home when Maddie was murdered.
Okay, listen to this.
When Madeleine's body was removed from underneath the dry grass and hay, detectives were able to immediately identify her by a mole she has on her cheek. Her body shows signs of decomposition to one side of her face. In her hands, Madeleine is wearing a green hoodie with the hoodie covering the top of her head, blue jeans, and white socks. The police report notes that Madeleine's socks were clean, indicating she did not walk anywhere or the socks would have dirt on the bottom. Someone carried Madeline to the place she was found.
Joining me is Allie Neil, the co founder and executive director of Revved Up Kids. We have been colleagues for a really long time. You can find her revd Upkids dot org. Alie Neil.
I know you've been chomping at the bit.
We earlier heard somebody say that this was Jennifer Soto's husband. It's not Jennifer Soto's husband. He's a live in Okay. They've broken up, gotten back together. He lives in his mom's basement. I don't know that he has a job, not judging. But you know, ladies, if you're going to take a guy in number one, make sure he won't harm your children or be a bad influence on them. And number two, try to find somebody with a job. They don't have to help you, because ladies, you're doing that all on your own. But don't let them hurt you. Sleeping in your bed, eating your food, you're washing his clothes. Seriously, that's hurting you. This guy is an her husband, Elli Neil, help me out. How many flashing red bills of alarm are.
There in this day?
Oh, at least thirty five thousand. That would be the pornographic images they found on his phone. Right, So we've got just red flag after red flag after red flag. Probably from the beginning of the relationship, so Mattie was six or seven, they were dating for seven years. He was probably grooming her from the beginning, and who knows if it'll come out that he was actually sexually abusing her sooner than age eleven. But regardless, it's hard for me.
To believe that Jen didn't know what was going on. Certainly she knew there's not a normal man in the world that sleeps in a bed with a thirteen year old child, So it's.
Obvious that he was sexually abusing her.
But I believe too, And.
She's studied then said he was a master manipulator, kind a master liar, and I believe probably a narcissist who for their entire relationship was just making Jen think that she was reading into situations that you know, just kind of gaslighting her about his relationship with Maddie. And that's what sexual predators do. They are able to manipulate everybody around them into believing that they're amazing and wonderful. And you see it over and over and over again with all.
Of these stories.
So it's just it's heartbreaking that this was allowed to go on.
It's heartbreaking the way that it ended.
And I think there's a lot more to the story that's going to be coming out, especially as the trial begins in October.
Allie Neil, co founder executive director Revved Up Kids. It's all about protecting children. And in your experience, I have have you seen a pattern?
And I don't have a statistic.
This is all anecdotal as men that seek out single moms in order to get to their children.
Absolutely, and we actually train moms and we specifically tell the single moms that we say, you are an especially high target for a sexual predator who knows that your life is busy, who knows that you have a lot on your plate, who is going to sweep in like your night in shining armor and help you with the kids. And one of the things we say for them to look for is if you go out on a date with a normal person, they're not going to really be ready to have a relationship with your kids until they're feeling really serious about you and maybe ready.
To put a ring on it.
If you date somebody and within the first couple of dates, they're eager to know everything about your kids and meet your kids because they just.
Want to sleep with your kid.
Well, that comes later, but yeah, they will. They will just you know, Oh, I just love kids. I just love to be around kids. I would love to meet your kids. And they'll be enchanting about it, and the kids will love them at the beginning, and they will build trust and that's what they do, and then that causes.
You know, I'm so impressed that you actually teach this as part of revved up kids to single moms. And you just brought up the specter Allie Neil that I've got to confront. He started videoing himself raping and sex abusing Maddie when she's eleven.
How do I know?
It didn't start long before that, and then he had the idea to.
Start videoing it.
A supplemental report released by the Kassimi Police Department gives details about how Madeline ended up in a wooded area behind a locked fence. The report states, based upon the clothing description seen on several videos, the body did appear to be that of Madeline. The lock to the farm was still locked, and it didn't appear to be tampered with. Stephen would have had to drop Madeleine's body over the barbed wire fence or where the gate was, then move her body to the location where she was found, all right.
And another thing I just wanted to confirm, because I know the last night was a long night. But he said you You said when you woke up around nine. You left your house at nine thirty for your doctor's appointment, and Stephan hadn't come home yet, and then.
He called you at ten.
You were ten to fifteen minutes to say, to have the conversation mcdonaldson.
Yeah, she and WT McDonald so he came home. I think he had accidentally left his phone at home.
Yeah, So he.
Was just letting me know because I had.
I had called them multiple fives. He was just pretraining my puzzling.
I'm so sorry.
I left the forlorn at home. I went to the beef store. I waited there for a little bit and nothing. Nobody was there.
I needed some sleep, so I asked, Hey, can you guys go to the guest bedroom upstairs. I knew he was going to get her ready.
Inked sorry, okay, so.
I sent them upstairs and I went to bed.
During autopsy of Madeleine Sooto, medical examiner doctor Stephen Giles express concern over Madeline's hyoid bone in her neck. Giles stated the right portion of the bone was not intact, which could possibly be related to her being strangled. The autopsy determined that Madelein Soto died by strangulation. Investigators find shocking searches on the computer used by Stephan Stearns. One of the Google searches is for CuO of florine, little anesthetic that provides hypnosis, amnesia, analgesia, echinesia, and autonomic blockade during surgical and procedural interventions.
Okay, I'm trying to figure out what all that meant. But luckily I don't need my medical degree because joining me as a renowned expert doctor priat Banergy, Board certified forensic pathologist, an atomic pathologist at Anchor Forensic Pathology consulting doctor Priya It's wonderful to see you. I wish it were under better circumstances. But I need to understand a what seven fluorine is, but most importantly the cause of death on this little girl, and how does the hyoid bone being moved factor into the determination of cause of death?
So seve of florine is an anesthet so how he even got his hands on it is beyond me.
That's going to knock her out.
You know, that's not anything anybody.
Should have, any kids should have in their system.
It's beyond me.
So that is.
Completely abnormal in the toxicology. But what you're getting at, regardless of what's in her system, is that she was overpowered and strangled. The high eid bone where you pointed and where I'm pointing, is high up in the neck. It's a small U shaped floating bone. I often try to make it analogous to the wishbone in a bird in a turkey that we've played with.
It's that delicate.
It should be fine until someone puts their hands or a ligature something around the neck applying pressure on both sides, and then it snacks.
It's a very very fragile bone, very rack I can even call it that is it more akin to cartilage or more akin to bone.
Well, that's a great question.
In younger people like Madeline, it's actually part bone, part cartilage. It's not even fully come together. But if you can see a clear break in it, like my colleague has said that he did, and he certified it a strangulation because of that, that shows how aggressive and up close you have to get to hurt her.
This is not so you know what, doctor Preya, I got to nail this down because I need more than a displace hyoid, because the defense could easily argue.
Oh, well that happened the week before when.
She was doing gymnastics, and blah blah blah, what else would you expect? Number one, you're saying, no, that would not have happened by accident. But number two, what else would you expect to see? What manifestation in her body would you expect to see during autopsy that would prove to me she died of strangulation.
Coming back just to finish on the highway. It moves, so you need pressure on both sides to break it. It doesn't happen in gymnastics, It doesn't happen from a bike fall. I've seen it in high vol you know, velocity high speed car crashes. It's violent. But she if she was alive, you would see bleeding in the muscles, potential particular hemorrhages, pinpoint hemorrhages, and the eyes, the mouth, potentially on her fair skin.
It's not going to be alone. It's not going to be the only finding.
It's very telltale doesn't have to always happen to be strangled, but it's up close personal and.
Violent crime stories With Nancy Grace, I'm just trying to imagine what this child went through and what was happening to her when she was trying dead. You know. Shannon Butler jumping off with doctor Pria Banerjee just told us Shannon Butler joining us.
From WFTV nine.
She was found in a wooded area where the property owner had to come out and unlocked gates, which tells me that their deduction is correct. Police deduction is correct. That Matty basically had to be thrown over a chain link fence and there's some barbed wire involved. They start walking and after a few moments they notice a pair of blue jeans and ultimately Mattie's body.
Where was she found.
So this is a ranch in rural Ostiola County. That area of Florida has you know, big cattle ranches, orange groves, things like that along that side of road. Remember, he got a flat tire, so he had to pull over and change that flat tire. Right in that area there was one of those big ranch but you can't get on the ranch because there was a big fence around it. So the only thing he could do, police say, was to toss her over. And when the detectives got out there, when they were searching looking in that area, they called the rancher said, hey, can you let us on the property. Say's no problem, right down the street, I'll be right there. And when they came in, she was actually the first time they looked, they didn't see her because she was kind of behind like bales of hay, and so they had to when they got through, they walked around and they could see that she was laying there in that wooded area.
God bless her little soul. Listen to these guys.
Stephen Stearns was arrested while the search for Madaline was ongoing when Orange County Sheriff's Office found disturbing evidence on Stern's phone. Stephen Stearns turns his phone over to the police to aid in the search for Madeline and tells them he accidentally did a factory reset on his phone the day Madaline vanished. Investigators recovered several photos and videos showing Star Turns sexually battering.
A child idiot he thought he could erase nearly two thousand porn images, many many of them we believe to be.
Maddie.
Okay, so he's arrested, but I gotta show you this video we found of him in the back seat of the patrol cruiser where he's whining.
He's whining.
Maddie has been raped, strangled, dead, and dumped in a rural area. This is after he's been raping her since at least age eleven. Thank you very much, Allie Neil for making me now consider she was raped before she was eleven.
But listen to this guy wine. He needs a little cheese to go with that wine.
Listens twenty three years through the orders.
Wow.
The first time was on a concrete sto to the paper.
For Bell.
Nelson Mills.
Mag It for a blanket, bad to speak for two days.
I love the guy driving the cruiser.
Did you see him.
He's going as he listens to accused child rapist killer Stephan Stern's wine, it was like a degree or two lower than it should have been. And the deputy goes, wow, I bet he just wants to Stephan sterns And then he goes on, you know, a subdom bearymel the first night, and I used a roll of toilet paper for a pillow, begging for a blanket. I bet Matty Soto which she could have a blanket right now. Look at this guy, I mean, bernarda Violina. I know that you're gonna object and say this is irrelevant. You can't bring that footage in of him whining in the backseat of the cruiser has nothing to do. But I guarantee you I will find a legal and ethical way to bring it in.
Such as maybe to show.
His demeanor and his calm at the time that Maddie is being autopsied, because most normal people, normal whatever that is, would be upset and crying and saying.
You gotta find out who killed Maddie. You got to find out who did this to her.
But he's like, you know, it was like a degree lower than it really should have been. In the jail last night, stop me, Stop me if I can't get that, Yes, Nancy, of course, and the information and evidence is going to be let him because any statement that the defendant makes can be used against him in court.
So the prosecution is going to.
Be able to get that in but of course the defense is going to object to it and say that it's too prejudiced, so it has no relevance to the charges. It doesn't go to prove any of the elements of the crime.
And of course you have to know that because the state is pursuing the death penalty, that they are going to be objecting to every little thing in this case in order to preserve any appeal that can't take place if there's a conviction in this case.
All right, And another thing I just wanted to confirm, because I know the last night was a long night. But you said you you said when you woke up around nine, you left your house at nine thirty for your doctor's appointment, and Stephan hadn't come home yet, and then he called you at ten you were ten fifteenish to say, to have the conversation mcdonaldson.
Yeah, she and want McDonald so he came home. I think he had accidentally left his current at home.
Yeah, so he was just like, you know, because I had room.
I had called them multiple signs.
He was just returning my puzzling.
I'm so sorry. I left the front at home.
I went to the beep store. I waited there for a little bit.
Nothing.
Nobody was there.
We were all going to sleep together in the same bed. But I needed some good sleep and I had not. I got a new job recently, I haven't been more arrested. I needed some sleep. So I asked, Hey, can you guys go to the guest bedroom upstairs. I knew he was going to get her ready inky.
Sorry, Okay, so he needed some good seven o'clock.
Yeah, I sent them upstairs and I went to bed.
Straight out to doctor pre Banerjee. I need your expertise again, doctor Banerjee. They did not teach me this in law school. Tell me about the substance that the live in Stefan Stearns was googling what is it?
And how could that have been used on.
Matti and would it have shown up in an autopsy?
And if they didn't get it in a.
Regular TALS panel, could we exhume her and look for it? Or possibly they still have some of her tissue they could use to search for it in that tissue.
This is all great.
So several fluorine is anesthetic, Okay, this is what they can use during surgery.
You don't just get it willy nilly.
I think they need to go back to the scene and see was it used.
Did he snuff her out?
It's inhaled, you know, it doesn't just get in your body by injection. Even so, where does he get it? And is there a rag or how did he get her to breathe it in? Did he knock her out before strangling her? And That's what I'm really concerned about because when I don't have any interests that he has scratches, you know, his facebooks clean. She should have fought back if he's being strangled, and we just don't see that now the decomp.
I'm just wondering if that would have shown up in a regular toxicology panel, and if not, I'm sure they still have some of her tissue or blood some sort of body fluid left from the autopsy that they could test for this to find out if you use that on her quick question Shannon Butler are joining us WFTV nine. A lot of unusual phone calls are being made by Stepan Stearns behind bars to five different people.
One was a hang up, I.
Believe, one was to his father, believe to other family member. There's a mystery call that he keeps calling this number a lot from behind bars. And also it's my understanding that the state has just issued a subpoena for updated phone and computer data relating to jen Soto. Mommy, is it possible she is that fifth person.
That he is calling from behind bars?
It is possible.
Actually, I asked that question early this morning of investigators.
Who is this call?
They said, we have been subpoenaing those phone records every single month, and so they did not answer what that number was where those phone calls were coming from. But State expect that information is coming shortly.
Again, Mommy is not a suspect. Mommy is not a POI person of interest.
She is absolutely not suspected of being the one that murdered her daughter.
We wait as just as some poles. Thank you to all of our guests. Again, Jennifer Sota not a suspect. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend