Crime Stories with Nancy Greece in the last hours. A Maryland woman suspected for years of murdering her two little children gets a major break in court. A judge, in his wisdom has ruled Catherine Hoggle will not stand trial in the murders of two little children, Jacob and Sarah disappear from Montgomery County just two and three years old, and they have never been seen. They were caught on surveillance camera at a Chick fil A just before they go missing with mommy well. Over the last eight years, Hoggle has insisted she's mentally incompetent to stand trial, although police say not incompetent at all, she simply refused to cooperate. Prosecutors also say that she has faked the extent of her mental illness. Can you believe this when someone can murder two children and then be treated as a patient to be given more rights than the two children or the survivors around them that they have affected. It's amazing to me. And that's the sentiment of Sarah and Jacob's father, Troy Turner after the judge's ruling. But what happened in the case, Why are prosecutors and myself so convinced Hoggle murdered her children. It was just after eleven o'clock on a Friday night that police then get a call from a local residence in Germantown stating that Catherine hoggele the children's mother, was spotted at Century Rock Boulevard. Immediately, police go there and they find Catherine Hoggle, but her missing children were nowhere with her. The children have been missing and reported to be with their mom, Catherine Hoggle, but then police find Catherine, where are Jacob and Sarah? Well, many people gathered at a Chick fil A parking lot on Saturday night were praying to find the little children in the hopes that they would be found safe and sound. As of right now, their disappearance still remains a mystery because the mom insists that overwhelmed with motherhood, she gave the children away. She gave her children away and refuses to tell police who she gave them to. Let's start with what we know with me Cole Case Research Institute Director Cheryl McCollum, also with ME Crime Stories contributor Cheryl White. First of you, Cheryl McCollum, So much focus ended up on a local chick fil A in Maryland.

Crime Stories with Nancy Greece in the last hours. A Maryland woman suspected for years of murdering her two little children gets a major break in court. A judge, in his wisdom has ruled Catherine Hoggle will not stand trial in the murders of two little children, Jacob and Sarah disappear from Montgomery County just two and three years old, and they have never been seen. They were caught on surveillance camera at a Chick fil A just before they go missing with mommy well. Over the last eight years, Hoggle has insisted she's mentally incompetent to stand trial, although police say not incompetent at all, she simply refused to cooperate. Prosecutors also say that she has faked the extent of her mental illness. Can you believe this when someone can murder two children and then be treated as a patient to be given more rights than the two children or the survivors around them that they have affected. It's amazing to me. And that's the sentiment of Sarah and Jacob's father, Troy Turner after the judge's ruling. But what happened in the case, Why are prosecutors and myself so convinced Hoggle murdered her children. It was just after eleven o'clock on a Friday night that police then get a call from a local residence in Germantown stating that Catherine hoggele the children's mother, was spotted at Century Rock Boulevard. Immediately, police go there and they find Catherine Hoggle, but her missing children were nowhere with her. The children have been missing and reported to be with their mom, Catherine Hoggle, but then police find Catherine, where are Jacob and Sarah? Well, many people gathered at a Chick fil A parking lot on Saturday night were praying to find the little children in the hopes that they would be found safe and sound. As of right now, their disappearance still remains a mystery because the mom insists that overwhelmed with motherhood, she gave the children away. She gave her children away and refuses to tell police who she gave them to. Let's start with what we know with me Cole Case Research Institute Director Cheryl McCollum, also with ME Crime Stories contributor Cheryl White. First of you, Cheryl McCollum, So much focus ended up on a local chick fil A in Maryland.

Why needs to because that's where she was last seen on video.

Why needs to because that's where she was last seen on video.

The mother that's right, Catherine Hoggle was actually spotted instruveillance video walking out of a Chick fil A very surreptitiously. Cheryl, I mean, I have looked at this video over and over. Some people actually describe it as sneaky. What about her demeanor made it sneaky?

The mother that's right, Catherine Hoggle was actually spotted instruveillance video walking out of a Chick fil A very surreptitiously. Cheryl, I mean, I have looked at this video over and over. Some people actually describe it as sneaky. What about her demeanor made it sneaky?

Well, I mean again, you know, you get dropped off, you're going to go in, you say you just want some of it to drink, and then you slip out the side door and leave the children's father outside. I mean it's very fish Oh.

Well, I mean again, you know, you get dropped off, you're going to go in, you say you just want some of it to drink, and then you slip out the side door and leave the children's father outside. I mean it's very fish Oh.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait wait wait, Cheryl, take it from the beginning. Tell me about that visit to Chick fil A and why it's so significant.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait wait wait, Cheryl, take it from the beginning. Tell me about that visit to Chick fil A and why it's so significant.

Well, she tells the child, the children's father, that she has dropped them off at a new daycare and she just wants to have a Chick fil A for something to drink. He drives her there. She goes in the front door, presumably to go to the counter, get a coke and come back, but no, she slips out the side door. He does not see or leaves. So after a period of time, he goes into Chick fil A to look for she's gone.

Well, she tells the child, the children's father, that she has dropped them off at a new daycare and she just wants to have a Chick fil A for something to drink. He drives her there. She goes in the front door, presumably to go to the counter, get a coke and come back, but no, she slips out the side door. He does not see or leaves. So after a period of time, he goes into Chick fil A to look for she's gone.

So this is what we know. The father is desperate and is asking for help. He goes to the mom. He goes to his wife, Catherine Honkell. She says, oh, you know, I enrolled I didn't like the last place. I enrolled them in a new daycare, and I took them there, and well, let's go there. Now, can we stop and get a drink at Chick fil A? So he goes, sure, they stop at Chick fil A. And I'm looking at the video right now, I can see her in the video. She comes in, just like Cheryl McCollum is telling me, kind of goes up to the counter and then leaves out a side door. The husband's just sitting outside. Now what we know is that the father is the one who contacts police almost immediately and reports the mother and the two children were missing. It's interesting to me that she also, Cheryl McCollum and I'll tell you later why this is so important, keeps her face turned away from the surveillance video. I don't know if you notice that or not, but okay, So she walks out of the back door of Chick fil A, and goes to a Germantown transit center. What do we know happens after that? Cheryl White is with me Crime Stories contributor.

So this is what we know. The father is desperate and is asking for help. He goes to the mom. He goes to his wife, Catherine Honkell. She says, oh, you know, I enrolled I didn't like the last place. I enrolled them in a new daycare, and I took them there, and well, let's go there. Now, can we stop and get a drink at Chick fil A? So he goes, sure, they stop at Chick fil A. And I'm looking at the video right now, I can see her in the video. She comes in, just like Cheryl McCollum is telling me, kind of goes up to the counter and then leaves out a side door. The husband's just sitting outside. Now what we know is that the father is the one who contacts police almost immediately and reports the mother and the two children were missing. It's interesting to me that she also, Cheryl McCollum and I'll tell you later why this is so important, keeps her face turned away from the surveillance video. I don't know if you notice that or not, but okay, So she walks out of the back door of Chick fil A, and goes to a Germantown transit center. What do we know happens after that? Cheryl White is with me Crime Stories contributor.

What do we know, Cheryl, Well, all we know is that there are two tiny children missing. They've never been found. Now, one part of the story from the Chick fil A Nancy is that they had been driving around. According to the children's father, they had been he and Catherine, the children's mother, had been driving around for a very long time. She said, oh, I can't remember where this new daycare is. That's when she said she needed something to drink, and they stopped at the Chick fil A. So they'd been driving around for a while, and the father said he was starting to get more than a little annoyed and worried.

What do we know, Cheryl, Well, all we know is that there are two tiny children missing. They've never been found. Now, one part of the story from the Chick fil A Nancy is that they had been driving around. According to the children's father, they had been he and Catherine, the children's mother, had been driving around for a very long time. She said, oh, I can't remember where this new daycare is. That's when she said she needed something to drink, and they stopped at the Chick fil A. So they'd been driving around for a while, and the father said he was starting to get more than a little annoyed and worried.

As a matter of fact, he told her he was driving her to the police stakes exactly unless she told him where is the daycare? And she's like, gosh, you know, I just signed him up. I can't remember where it is. Just keep going, it's in here somewhere. Can I have a coke? That's how that whole thing played out. But then we've got a whole another story going on. Cheryl McCollum, director of the Cold Case Institute. Police say that that Sunday night, the mom takes the children to her mother's house in Clarksburg, that she was going to take her son Jacob for pizza, but that when she got back home three hours later to the mom's house, he wasn't with her. She told the mom Jacob was at the playmate's house. Right, So that's a whole nother story that she's telling. So police say Jacob was not there and he hasn't been seen since. So which of these stories are true? This all goes down while the dad is out working. He has an overnight job, Cheryl, like my dad used to have, So he's at work when the mom says this happened, So what about that story. We've got the story that she dropped them at a new daycare, and then we've got this story that police seemed to be confirming that Hoggle took the two babies to her mom's house in Clarksburg, says she's taken Jacob out for a pizza, comes back without him about three hours later and says, oh, we stayed at the friend's house. Okay, what do we know about that? Which of these if either are true.

As a matter of fact, he told her he was driving her to the police stakes exactly unless she told him where is the daycare? And she's like, gosh, you know, I just signed him up. I can't remember where it is. Just keep going, it's in here somewhere. Can I have a coke? That's how that whole thing played out. But then we've got a whole another story going on. Cheryl McCollum, director of the Cold Case Institute. Police say that that Sunday night, the mom takes the children to her mother's house in Clarksburg, that she was going to take her son Jacob for pizza, but that when she got back home three hours later to the mom's house, he wasn't with her. She told the mom Jacob was at the playmate's house. Right, So that's a whole nother story that she's telling. So police say Jacob was not there and he hasn't been seen since. So which of these stories are true? This all goes down while the dad is out working. He has an overnight job, Cheryl, like my dad used to have, So he's at work when the mom says this happened, So what about that story. We've got the story that she dropped them at a new daycare, and then we've got this story that police seemed to be confirming that Hoggle took the two babies to her mom's house in Clarksburg, says she's taken Jacob out for a pizza, comes back without him about three hours later and says, oh, we stayed at the friend's house. Okay, what do we know about that? Which of these if either are true.

Well, we don't know, and that's what's happening. You're having to build a case on why. And that's why this is so difficult. She's not telling the truth ever, So you don't know where Jacob is, you don't know the friends, you don't know whether.

Well, we don't know, and that's what's happening. You're having to build a case on why. And that's why this is so difficult. She's not telling the truth ever, So you don't know where Jacob is, you don't know the friends, you don't know whether.

Wait a minute, aren't police saying this. Aren't police stating that she took the children to her mom's house. Is that much true?

Wait a minute, aren't police saying this. Aren't police stating that she took the children to her mom's house. Is that much true?

I believe that much is true, But I'm saying where Jacob went from there, we don't know. We don't know what friends, we don't know where she left him.

I believe that much is true, But I'm saying where Jacob went from there, we don't know. We don't know what friends, we don't know where she left him.

And then that's the next day on Monday, the dad's been working on and he's like, where are the children? And she says, oh, I put them in a new daycare. So I mean, if she's telling any of the truth, they did go for pizza, there was a playmate, and she took them to daycare the next morning. I don't think that's true. I don't think any of that's true.

And then that's the next day on Monday, the dad's been working on and he's like, where are the children? And she says, oh, I put them in a new daycare. So I mean, if she's telling any of the truth, they did go for pizza, there was a playmate, and she took them to daycare the next morning. I don't think that's true. I don't think any of that's true.

But you know what well as I do. When you have children and their fathers involved, y'all have long discussions about daycare. That's not a quick switch. You investigate the daycare, you make sure, it's a good place, the safe place, and you damn well know where the place is when you leave your child there.

But you know what well as I do. When you have children and their fathers involved, y'all have long discussions about daycare. That's not a quick switch. You investigate the daycare, you make sure, it's a good place, the safe place, and you damn well know where the place is when you leave your child there.

Yes, I agree, That's why I don't think any of this is true. Plus I'm going back to our last known signing. I mean the whole daycare. That's a pile of bs correct, all right, the BSA meter is like shrieking in my head. So that never happened, just for the reasons you just said. So I'm already back to what I know to be true. Police are telling me she was spotted at her mother's house with the children the night before, or at least one of them, and that would have been on Sunday night. The dad is at work, he works nights. She says, she's taken in for pizza. He's never seen alive again. So my timeline, which is you know where I always start, Cheryl, is Sunday night. That's they're not mentioning the little girl going, but that is when in my mind, that's when the children are either sold or given away or worse. Now, Cheryl McCollum, we know the next day, the dad is at the Chick fil A and she leaves. What is her story about giving her children away.

Yes, I agree, That's why I don't think any of this is true. Plus I'm going back to our last known signing. I mean the whole daycare. That's a pile of bs correct, all right, the BSA meter is like shrieking in my head. So that never happened, just for the reasons you just said. So I'm already back to what I know to be true. Police are telling me she was spotted at her mother's house with the children the night before, or at least one of them, and that would have been on Sunday night. The dad is at work, he works nights. She says, she's taken in for pizza. He's never seen alive again. So my timeline, which is you know where I always start, Cheryl, is Sunday night. That's they're not mentioning the little girl going, but that is when in my mind, that's when the children are either sold or given away or worse. Now, Cheryl McCollum, we know the next day, the dad is at the Chick fil A and she leaves. What is her story about giving her children away.

She's told everybody that she gave them away, but she refused to say who she gave them to.

She's told everybody that she gave them away, but she refused to say who she gave them to.

Cheryl White Crime story is contributor. She is insisting that she gave the children away and quote they are safe, but she refuses to reveal where they are. Why. What reason do we speculate or what reason that she gives she gave the two babies away.

Cheryl White Crime story is contributor. She is insisting that she gave the children away and quote they are safe, but she refuses to reveal where they are. Why. What reason do we speculate or what reason that she gives she gave the two babies away.

Well, some are saying that there's trouble in the relationship between the father and Catherine, the husband and wife. There one thing we haven't talked about is the third child. So my question is why the two younger children and not the older child?

Well, some are saying that there's trouble in the relationship between the father and Catherine, the husband and wife. There one thing we haven't talked about is the third child. So my question is why the two younger children and not the older child?

Right, there is a third child. That child is safe and sound. We also have statements by the father. The father tells police that while he's at work on Sunday afternoon, Hoggle's own father dries them to the grandmother's house in Gaithersburg. Hoggle then borrows her father's car, it's a great twenty twelve Nissan Rogue, and tells her parents she's taking Jacob to get pizza. So now I'm confirming again they're alive and well. On Sunday, Sunday afternoon, the father and the grandfather and the grandmother places them alive. Okay, so she disappears in the dad's Nissan rogue. She returns three hours later, without the son or without food. Claims she dropped the baby the playmate's house and then came back went back to her home with her daughter. That's the last time either of them have been seen alive. Now, let me ask you this, Cheryl McCollum, Where the children ever spotted on any surveillance video at a pizza place or anywhere.

Right, there is a third child. That child is safe and sound. We also have statements by the father. The father tells police that while he's at work on Sunday afternoon, Hoggle's own father dries them to the grandmother's house in Gaithersburg. Hoggle then borrows her father's car, it's a great twenty twelve Nissan Rogue, and tells her parents she's taking Jacob to get pizza. So now I'm confirming again they're alive and well. On Sunday, Sunday afternoon, the father and the grandfather and the grandmother places them alive. Okay, so she disappears in the dad's Nissan rogue. She returns three hours later, without the son or without food. Claims she dropped the baby the playmate's house and then came back went back to her home with her daughter. That's the last time either of them have been seen alive. Now, let me ask you this, Cheryl McCollum, Where the children ever spotted on any surveillance video at a pizza place or anywhere.

No.

No.

Never tell me about the search that ensued Cheryl White.

Never tell me about the search that ensued Cheryl White.

Well, it was a four day search, and it was one of those intensive searches. You have babies missing, and so they just mobilized the entire community. It's police, it's family, it's friends, it's total strangers that are searching everywhere, not only for the children, but for Catherine as well, the mother too. She's missing at this point as well.

Well, it was a four day search, and it was one of those intensive searches. You have babies missing, and so they just mobilized the entire community. It's police, it's family, it's friends, it's total strangers that are searching everywhere, not only for the children, but for Catherine as well, the mother too. She's missing at this point as well.

Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here, Please join us now on Fox Nation for a brand new investigation, Parallels of Evil the Bundy and Idaho killings. In this gripping special investigation, we bring together an incredible panel of guests who analyze disturbing similarities of evil between these horrible crimes. We speak with two female Ted Bundy survivors, Karen Pryor and Cheryl Thomas, who described their life before and after they were victims of Ted Bundy. We also speak with the renowned private investigator Bill Warner who worked in the cases, and Ted Bundy's defense attorney, John Henry Brown. We traveled to Moscow, Idaho, to speak with Washington State University students and interview neighbors of Brian Coburger. One neighbor shares exclusive insights about the suspect in the Idaho killings, Brian Coberger. Don't miss Parallels of Evil, the Bundan and I Hope Killings, streaming now exclusively on Fox Nation. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, I am convinced, beyond a shadow of a doubt that Catherine Hoggele murdered Sarah and Jacob, two little children just two and three years old. They were last seen with her. And then she comes up with all sorts of different explanations about what happened to the children and begins a quote mental illness stint. Here's the problem under Marylyn law if Hoggle was not found competent by that that Thursday, these statute of limitations of five years since the children were murdered would be passed and the charges have to be dropped. Hoggle was first found in competent back in December twenty seventeen. An appeals court in their Ivory Tower ruled that prosecutors had until December to try the case. In the last days, a judge has dropped the charges. Will we ever know the truth about what happened to Sarah and Jacob? These are the facts we know now. In a bizarre twist of the law, murder charges against a mom, Catherine Hoggele have been dropped. What a miscarriage of justice? Why are prosecutors so convinced as am I she murdered her children? Listen, I remember very well when these two go missing, and for the life of me, I could not understand why the mother, Catherine Hogele, would not divulge where her children were. Now shrinks will tell you that she was having trouble with her marriage and was overwhelmed with three children. She says she gave them away, gave them away and refuses to state where they went. Why Why would she refuse to state? Could it be because she hates her husband? So much she doesn't want him to have them. Is she afraid she's going to be indicted for neglect or giving away her children? Let's take a careful look at her behavior. She is the key to the location of these children. With me, Cheryl White, Crime Stories contributor and Cheryl McCollum, director of the Cold Case Research Institute, Cheryl, let's look at her mommy's behavior before and after the children's disappear.

Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here, Please join us now on Fox Nation for a brand new investigation, Parallels of Evil the Bundy and Idaho killings. In this gripping special investigation, we bring together an incredible panel of guests who analyze disturbing similarities of evil between these horrible crimes. We speak with two female Ted Bundy survivors, Karen Pryor and Cheryl Thomas, who described their life before and after they were victims of Ted Bundy. We also speak with the renowned private investigator Bill Warner who worked in the cases, and Ted Bundy's defense attorney, John Henry Brown. We traveled to Moscow, Idaho, to speak with Washington State University students and interview neighbors of Brian Coburger. One neighbor shares exclusive insights about the suspect in the Idaho killings, Brian Coberger. Don't miss Parallels of Evil, the Bundan and I Hope Killings, streaming now exclusively on Fox Nation. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, I am convinced, beyond a shadow of a doubt that Catherine Hoggele murdered Sarah and Jacob, two little children just two and three years old. They were last seen with her. And then she comes up with all sorts of different explanations about what happened to the children and begins a quote mental illness stint. Here's the problem under Marylyn law if Hoggle was not found competent by that that Thursday, these statute of limitations of five years since the children were murdered would be passed and the charges have to be dropped. Hoggle was first found in competent back in December twenty seventeen. An appeals court in their Ivory Tower ruled that prosecutors had until December to try the case. In the last days, a judge has dropped the charges. Will we ever know the truth about what happened to Sarah and Jacob? These are the facts we know now. In a bizarre twist of the law, murder charges against a mom, Catherine Hoggele have been dropped. What a miscarriage of justice? Why are prosecutors so convinced as am I she murdered her children? Listen, I remember very well when these two go missing, and for the life of me, I could not understand why the mother, Catherine Hogele, would not divulge where her children were. Now shrinks will tell you that she was having trouble with her marriage and was overwhelmed with three children. She says she gave them away, gave them away and refuses to state where they went. Why Why would she refuse to state? Could it be because she hates her husband? So much she doesn't want him to have them. Is she afraid she's going to be indicted for neglect or giving away her children? Let's take a careful look at her behavior. She is the key to the location of these children. With me, Cheryl White, Crime Stories contributor and Cheryl McCollum, director of the Cold Case Research Institute, Cheryl, let's look at her mommy's behavior before and after the children's disappear.

Absolutely, Nancy pre and post behavior are going to be key in zero and her mindset here. So how was she before the Sunday night Pete said her mother's the things that she said, the things that she did. Was her focus on Jacob? Was she angry at him? Was she angry at their father? Something was going on that now people will be able to pick up and say, I remember this. The post behavior, her wondering around, saying that she gave them away. She hasn't called the police, she wasn't worried about them, she hasn't organized searches. All of that's going to be imperative and I hate to tell you it rings of Casey Anthony.

Absolutely, Nancy pre and post behavior are going to be key in zero and her mindset here. So how was she before the Sunday night Pete said her mother's the things that she said, the things that she did. Was her focus on Jacob? Was she angry at him? Was she angry at their father? Something was going on that now people will be able to pick up and say, I remember this. The post behavior, her wondering around, saying that she gave them away. She hasn't called the police, she wasn't worried about them, she hasn't organized searches. All of that's going to be imperative and I hate to tell you it rings of Casey Anthony.

Oh, I was thinking the same thing. I didn't even want to say the words taught Mom. How do you compare Hoggle Catherine Hoggle to taught Mom Casey Anthony, who murdered I believe murdered her little girl, Kelly. What about it, Cheryl McCollum.

Oh, I was thinking the same thing. I didn't even want to say the words taught Mom. How do you compare Hoggle Catherine Hoggle to taught Mom Casey Anthony, who murdered I believe murdered her little girl, Kelly. What about it, Cheryl McCollum.

Well, here you are. You have her, you know, going with her own parents, ride in the car, having some fun. Let's go get pizza. That sounds like a great, normal, ill evening. Next thing, you know, Oh, I gave them away.

Well, here you are. You have her, you know, going with her own parents, ride in the car, having some fun. Let's go get pizza. That sounds like a great, normal, ill evening. Next thing, you know, Oh, I gave them away.

Gave them away?

Gave them away?

What?

What?

Just like top Mom, Casey Anthony blames Dania Gonzalez the pretend nanny's so freaky about that?

Just like top Mom, Casey Anthony blames Dania Gonzalez the pretend nanny's so freaky about that?

Correct?

Correct?

Is she had been she Top Mom had been looking at an apartment uh on a Sawgrass on Sawgrass Road, I believe it was. And police go to that apartment to check out her story, and Dania Gonzalez had actually been there before Top Mom and signed in, signed in that she was going to look at a model apartment. So top Mom goes there, sees the name that's where Zanaighta Gonzales came from. Correct, And it turned out to be a real person whose name was ruined by her connection to Top Mom Casey Anthony and the disappearance of she was forever connected.

Is she had been she Top Mom had been looking at an apartment uh on a Sawgrass on Sawgrass Road, I believe it was. And police go to that apartment to check out her story, and Dania Gonzalez had actually been there before Top Mom and signed in, signed in that she was going to look at a model apartment. So top Mom goes there, sees the name that's where Zanaighta Gonzales came from. Correct, And it turned out to be a real person whose name was ruined by her connection to Top Mom Casey Anthony and the disappearance of she was forever connected.

To that, and it also wasted a whole lot of time.

To that, and it also wasted a whole lot of time.

Yeah, they had just signs an eye to Gonzalez, who had never met Casey Anthony in her life. So here we've got the same thing as Cheryl McCollums pointing out a fabricated story and a refusal to divulge where the children really are. Now, by this time, there was a search. After Katherine Hoggle leaves the Chick fil A. There is a man hunt or should I say a woman hunt for Catherine Hoggle, who to this day, to this moment that you're hearing us, it's still the key to the case. We still don't have the children. Take a listen to the guy that fortuitously spots Katherine Hoggle. Listen.

Yeah, they had just signs an eye to Gonzalez, who had never met Casey Anthony in her life. So here we've got the same thing as Cheryl McCollums pointing out a fabricated story and a refusal to divulge where the children really are. Now, by this time, there was a search. After Katherine Hoggle leaves the Chick fil A. There is a man hunt or should I say a woman hunt for Catherine Hoggle, who to this day, to this moment that you're hearing us, it's still the key to the case. We still don't have the children. Take a listen to the guy that fortuitously spots Katherine Hoggle. Listen.

It was a little after eleven fifteen in the evening.

It was a little after eleven fifteen in the evening.

Nicholas Stewart knew there was something unusual about the woman wondering about the parking lot of his germ Entailed complex as he went to take out the trash, and he couldn't put his finger on it at first.

Nicholas Stewart knew there was something unusual about the woman wondering about the parking lot of his germ Entailed complex as he went to take out the trash, and he couldn't put his finger on it at first.

I mean, I see her walking towards me. I didn't think anything. Maybe it was just a resident. I see her pacing back and forth.

I mean, I see her walking towards me. I didn't think anything. Maybe it was just a resident. I see her pacing back and forth.

But the woman's behavior grows more unusual, especially, he says, as she went into a breezeway in the complex. He says, she seemed lost and confused.

But the woman's behavior grows more unusual, especially, he says, as she went into a breezeway in the complex. He says, she seemed lost and confused.

She went like this. She saw me.

She went like this. She saw me.

She went like this, and then I turned around, and then I see her come out and she looked like this, and then walked here.

She went like this, and then I turned around, and then I see her come out and she looked like this, and then walked here.

And then just stopped.

And then just stopped.

He decided to keep an eye on her, and they actually exchanged words or something.

He decided to keep an eye on her, and they actually exchanged words or something.

Told me to just keep looking, and she asked me for the time. I said, I do not have the time. My phone was actually dead at the time, and she said, thank you, my phone's dead too.

Told me to just keep looking, and she asked me for the time. I said, I do not have the time. My phone was actually dead at the time, and she said, thank you, my phone's dead too.

Stuart says he ran to his apartment, looked at the flyer again and realized it was indeed Catherine Hoggell. The woman lasted a scene earlier in the week and caught on camera in surveillance footage.

Stuart says he ran to his apartment, looked at the flyer again and realized it was indeed Catherine Hoggell. The woman lasted a scene earlier in the week and caught on camera in surveillance footage.

I actually watched one of the surveillance videos of her ten minutes before I spotted lady.

I actually watched one of the surveillance videos of her ten minutes before I spotted lady.

Stewart says he ran to a nearby police station to get help, and they got to the scene Century Boulevard and Crystal Rock driving took Hoggle into custody.

Stewart says he ran to a nearby police station to get help, and they got to the scene Century Boulevard and Crystal Rock driving took Hoggle into custody.

So you know, Cheryl White, Cheryl McCollum is just dumb luck really, because this guy had just looked at a flyer that was posted I believe above hit the mailboxes at this apartment complex or this this location, this structure. He sees the flyer of the two children and Catherine Hoggle. Then he less than a minute passes. He sees Hoggle, and he says, she was, you know, acting covertly, just like you said she did. And the chick fil a Cheryl McCollum. He goes up to her. They have a conversation. He says, well, I can't use my phone. It's dead. She goes, oh, mine's dead too. She seemed absolutely perfectly normal, Cheryl White, completely normal. One thing missing, make that too, the children Cheryl White.

So you know, Cheryl White, Cheryl McCollum is just dumb luck really, because this guy had just looked at a flyer that was posted I believe above hit the mailboxes at this apartment complex or this this location, this structure. He sees the flyer of the two children and Catherine Hoggle. Then he less than a minute passes. He sees Hoggle, and he says, she was, you know, acting covertly, just like you said she did. And the chick fil a Cheryl McCollum. He goes up to her. They have a conversation. He says, well, I can't use my phone. It's dead. She goes, oh, mine's dead too. She seemed absolutely perfectly normal, Cheryl White, completely normal. One thing missing, make that too, the children Cheryl White.

Yeah, the childrenners are still missing then and now, and all she'll say is that they are safe and that they're with someone else. And there was a chase, a short chase before police could apprehend her, which I find interesting that she ran.

Yeah, the childrenners are still missing then and now, and all she'll say is that they are safe and that they're with someone else. And there was a chase, a short chase before police could apprehend her, which I find interesting that she ran.

Interesting, Cheryl McCollum. When your children are missing, as Cheryl White says, the guy immediately calls police the number on the flyer. Police show up. A chase ensues. If my children are missing, I'm laying on the front steps of the police station. I'm laying there screaming. She runs from police, Cheryl. She runs from police, and when they get her, she has snatched down one of the flyers that had been posted. She had taken it down so nobody could see it, and it was in her hand, Cheryl when cops get her after she runs.

Interesting, Cheryl McCollum. When your children are missing, as Cheryl White says, the guy immediately calls police the number on the flyer. Police show up. A chase ensues. If my children are missing, I'm laying on the front steps of the police station. I'm laying there screaming. She runs from police, Cheryl. She runs from police, and when they get her, she has snatched down one of the flyers that had been posted. She had taken it down so nobody could see it, and it was in her hand, Cheryl when cops get her after she runs.

Cheryl wanted away. She doesn't want the children fail, she doesn't want to be captured herself, and again, holding that fire in her hands tells you she didn't want anybody else to find them either.

Cheryl wanted away. She doesn't want the children fail, she doesn't want to be captured herself, and again, holding that fire in her hands tells you she didn't want anybody else to find them either.

This is where the search for the babies takes a very unusual turn. Of course, Hoggle is taken into custody and questioned about the location and for children. Take a listen to what her husband says regarding the children's disappearance.

This is where the search for the babies takes a very unusual turn. Of course, Hoggle is taken into custody and questioned about the location and for children. Take a listen to what her husband says regarding the children's disappearance.

I want to thank all of you in the community and in the media for all your support you have shown me, myself, Sarah and Jacob, my family throughout the entire process. As I'm sure you understand, it's been a very emotional time for myself and others who love my family and my children. I've just decided to go ahead and read a prepared statement and then not take questions today, Catherine Hogle has murdered my children, and I hope Sarah and.

I want to thank all of you in the community and in the media for all your support you have shown me, myself, Sarah and Jacob, my family throughout the entire process. As I'm sure you understand, it's been a very emotional time for myself and others who love my family and my children. I've just decided to go ahead and read a prepared statement and then not take questions today, Catherine Hogle has murdered my children, and I hope Sarah and.

Jacob get the justice they deserve.

Jacob get the justice they deserve.

I have held out hope that something else may have happened, as I think that any parent under these circumstances would, But it has always been a faint hope, and I know now with the passage of time, that Catherine killed my babies.

I have held out hope that something else may have happened, as I think that any parent under these circumstances would, But it has always been a faint hope, and I know now with the passage of time, that Catherine killed my babies.

From the very beginning.

From the very beginning.

Of this process three years ago, the Montgomery County Police Department in the State's Tourney's Office have been very consistent in their theory on this case. I know that they are right, and I fully support the charges handed down here today. I also knew they were I knew there was a good chance that we're right from the beginning. In addition to the investigation by the local police with the support of the family of family and friends, I've had my own professional private investigators study of the facts. And this isn't part of the riot part. But in the beginning they came in with an open mind. After investigating, they came to the same conclusion as the State's terms officer, and the police actually hired two or three of them, kind of like getting the second opinion from a doctor. And they all came back to Saint. Everyone who has reviewed this agrees that Catherine murdered Sarah and Jacob.

Of this process three years ago, the Montgomery County Police Department in the State's Tourney's Office have been very consistent in their theory on this case. I know that they are right, and I fully support the charges handed down here today. I also knew they were I knew there was a good chance that we're right from the beginning. In addition to the investigation by the local police with the support of the family of family and friends, I've had my own professional private investigators study of the facts. And this isn't part of the riot part. But in the beginning they came in with an open mind. After investigating, they came to the same conclusion as the State's terms officer, and the police actually hired two or three of them, kind of like getting the second opinion from a doctor. And they all came back to Saint. Everyone who has reviewed this agrees that Catherine murdered Sarah and Jacob.

Crime stories with Nancy Grace. In a bizarre twist of the law, murder charges against a mom, Catherine Hoggle have been dropped. What a miscarriage of justice? Why are prosecutors so convinced as am I she murdered her children?

Crime stories with Nancy Grace. In a bizarre twist of the law, murder charges against a mom, Catherine Hoggle have been dropped. What a miscarriage of justice? Why are prosecutors so convinced as am I she murdered her children?

Listen?

Listen?

Cheryl McCollum, Director of the Cold Case Research Institute. Cheryl McCollum. Right after she is brought into by police and she is questioned under oath by the judge about where are your children? And she still refuses to say. The husband says that she's acting that. She says she wants to be found in competence so she can't be charged with giving away her children. Cheryl McCollum.

Cheryl McCollum, Director of the Cold Case Research Institute. Cheryl McCollum. Right after she is brought into by police and she is questioned under oath by the judge about where are your children? And she still refuses to say. The husband says that she's acting that. She says she wants to be found in competence so she can't be charged with giving away her children. Cheryl McCollum.

Now that I think we're getting somewhere because Nancy, she's been play acting the whole time. She pretended to take Jacob for pizza, she pretended they read a new school. She pretended to go buy a coat. That's what she's good at. And when they get close to her, she tries to escape in some way. She hides her faith, She hides her identity, she runs from police.

Now that I think we're getting somewhere because Nancy, she's been play acting the whole time. She pretended to take Jacob for pizza, she pretended they read a new school. She pretended to go buy a coat. That's what she's good at. And when they get close to her, she tries to escape in some way. She hides her faith, She hides her identity, she runs from police.

Catherine Hoggele, the mother of the two missing children, was located in Germantown there in Maryland and immediately taken into custody after she leaves them on a brief footschase. When they get her, Mommy is clutching a flyer that has been posted, tearing it down so nobody else can see the children or the tip line number. She refuses to say what happened to the children. At this moment, police still searching for the two children, Sarah and Jacob. Then they give a statement they are extremely concerned for the children's welfare. She has taken us all down the garden path. Chryl McCollum. Just hours after she slips out the back door of a Chick fil A, she boards a county bus near that restaurant, goes down Route one point eighteen Germantown Road between the Interstate two seventy and goes to the Germantown Commons shopping Center. She takes that bus after giving the husband a slip at Chick fil A. She rides the bus to the transit center I told you about to Lake Forest Mall and gets off. She sided there on videotape, and she is seen going in and out of various locations in that shopping mall. Cheryl McCollum. Then police go there. They go there to retrace her steps, hoping to find a trace of the children. Instead, they found the contents of her pocket book thrown in a bathroom in the building. What does that mean, Cheryl? What's she trying to get rid.

Catherine Hoggele, the mother of the two missing children, was located in Germantown there in Maryland and immediately taken into custody after she leaves them on a brief footschase. When they get her, Mommy is clutching a flyer that has been posted, tearing it down so nobody else can see the children or the tip line number. She refuses to say what happened to the children. At this moment, police still searching for the two children, Sarah and Jacob. Then they give a statement they are extremely concerned for the children's welfare. She has taken us all down the garden path. Chryl McCollum. Just hours after she slips out the back door of a Chick fil A, she boards a county bus near that restaurant, goes down Route one point eighteen Germantown Road between the Interstate two seventy and goes to the Germantown Commons shopping Center. She takes that bus after giving the husband a slip at Chick fil A. She rides the bus to the transit center I told you about to Lake Forest Mall and gets off. She sided there on videotape, and she is seen going in and out of various locations in that shopping mall. Cheryl McCollum. Then police go there. They go there to retrace her steps, hoping to find a trace of the children. Instead, they found the contents of her pocket book thrown in a bathroom in the building. What does that mean, Cheryl? What's she trying to get rid.

Of her identity? Who she is? So when somebody catches her, even if it's in another town or city, she can make up a name and a date of birth, It's not going to be her. She's not going to exist anymore. You know.

Of her identity? Who she is? So when somebody catches her, even if it's in another town or city, she can make up a name and a date of birth, It's not going to be her. She's not going to exist anymore. You know.

This plot seemingly gets more and more intricate. So we have her, let's retrace it, Cheryl and Cheryl, Cheryl White and Cheryl McCollum. We have her with the children alive at her mother's house. We have her father, the children's grandfather, giving her his car. She puts Jacob in the car, claiming they're going for pizza, coming back without them three hours later, stay that he stayed with his friend. She takes the baby away, claiming they're going home. The husband's at the night shift. Whoever she gave baby Jacob to that night or whatever she did with him. She takes the little girl. She leaves with the little girl. The little girl has never seen alive again. The dad gets home from work. Where are the children? Oh, I took them to a new daycare. Nobody's seen the children since the night before Sunday night. They start looking for the daycare, can't find it. She goes into Chick fil A she wants to coke. She slips out the side. She then eludes her husband who's sitting in the parking lot, takes a bus, gets away from him, and goes to a shopping center. She goes in and out of several locations. Police find out about it. They go rey retrace her steps. They don't find her. They find her pocketbook has been emptied. Why flyers Over ten thousand flyers go up all over town. A guy is looking at the flyer over a mailbox, then turns around to see Katherine Hockle. She has a perfectly normal saying conversation with them. His girlfriend immediately calls police. They come. She leads them on a brief but fast paced footchase. When they get her, she is torn down. The flyer of the children with the tip line, She's taken to police headquarters, She's questioned in court, she refuses to say where the children are, and the husband insists she's acting. Listen to what he says one more time.

This plot seemingly gets more and more intricate. So we have her, let's retrace it, Cheryl and Cheryl, Cheryl White and Cheryl McCollum. We have her with the children alive at her mother's house. We have her father, the children's grandfather, giving her his car. She puts Jacob in the car, claiming they're going for pizza, coming back without them three hours later, stay that he stayed with his friend. She takes the baby away, claiming they're going home. The husband's at the night shift. Whoever she gave baby Jacob to that night or whatever she did with him. She takes the little girl. She leaves with the little girl. The little girl has never seen alive again. The dad gets home from work. Where are the children? Oh, I took them to a new daycare. Nobody's seen the children since the night before Sunday night. They start looking for the daycare, can't find it. She goes into Chick fil A she wants to coke. She slips out the side. She then eludes her husband who's sitting in the parking lot, takes a bus, gets away from him, and goes to a shopping center. She goes in and out of several locations. Police find out about it. They go rey retrace her steps. They don't find her. They find her pocketbook has been emptied. Why flyers Over ten thousand flyers go up all over town. A guy is looking at the flyer over a mailbox, then turns around to see Katherine Hockle. She has a perfectly normal saying conversation with them. His girlfriend immediately calls police. They come. She leads them on a brief but fast paced footchase. When they get her, she is torn down. The flyer of the children with the tip line, She's taken to police headquarters, She's questioned in court, she refuses to say where the children are, and the husband insists she's acting. Listen to what he says one more time.

Katherine Hogoul has murdered my children, and I hope Sarah and Jacob get the justice they deserve. I have held out hope that something else may have happened, as I think that any under the circumstances would, But it has always been a faint hope. And I know now with the passage of time, that Catherine killed my babysit.

Katherine Hogoul has murdered my children, and I hope Sarah and Jacob get the justice they deserve. I have held out hope that something else may have happened, as I think that any under the circumstances would, But it has always been a faint hope. And I know now with the passage of time, that Catherine killed my babysit.

So where is Jacob? Where is Sarah? Tipline three zero one two seven, nine, eight thousand. Then and another twist, Cheryl White, Crime Story's contributor. She now claims she's paranoid schizophrenic. Okay, her husband says she's acting. The children are still missing. When did that come about? So now we see a mental defect. I mean she told her husband she wants to be found incompetent so she can't be charged or go to jail. What do we know about her claims of paranoise gizophrenia?

So where is Jacob? Where is Sarah? Tipline three zero one two seven, nine, eight thousand. Then and another twist, Cheryl White, Crime Story's contributor. She now claims she's paranoid schizophrenic. Okay, her husband says she's acting. The children are still missing. When did that come about? So now we see a mental defect. I mean she told her husband she wants to be found incompetent so she can't be charged or go to jail. What do we know about her claims of paranoise gizophrenia?

Cheryl White, Well, she has a history of mental issues. Here's something I find extremely odd is that shortly after she was taken into custody, she told her family members that she would take police to her children, but she had to do it personally. So she went to court then to get a judge's okay that she could take them to the children. But that's not what ended up happening. Well, when she got to court, her attorneys said Hoggle was in no metal condition to make the claim to take them on the journey to the children, and that in fact, she did not want to help, and that her condition was so deteriorated she should not even be interrogated.

Cheryl White, Well, she has a history of mental issues. Here's something I find extremely odd is that shortly after she was taken into custody, she told her family members that she would take police to her children, but she had to do it personally. So she went to court then to get a judge's okay that she could take them to the children. But that's not what ended up happening. Well, when she got to court, her attorneys said Hoggle was in no metal condition to make the claim to take them on the journey to the children, and that in fact, she did not want to help, and that her condition was so deteriorated she should not even be interrogated.

Wow, that's convenient, Cheryl McCollum. So she says, okay, okay, I'm tired of jail. Let me out and I will take you to the children. You know what, do you remember that wild goose chase that top mom Casey Anthony led police on in the search for Zonaida Gonzalez. They went all over town. They went to slablegress apartments. She claims she worked at Universal Man. She had it down. She even got to the security entrance and told them that she worked there, and they're like, wow, we can't find you on the employee list. And she goes yeah, well I did work here. Hey, you can call my co employees. And she gave names and phone numbers extensions, names of people that worked at Universal, and the security was calling them, and so police are onto. So they take her in and they get all the way up to the door and they're going into Universal, and she says, okay, ah, you got me, like it's some kind of a game. I don't really work at Universal anymore. And all those times she had been sitting on her parents' sofa, eating their food out of their fridge and letting them take care of the baby, claiming she worked at Universal. She would even put on a Universal outfit with tags, old ID tags and leave to go lay up at her boyfriend's apartment. So it's such a charade. And Cheryl McCollum, it sounds like the same thing with Catherine Hoggle.

Wow, that's convenient, Cheryl McCollum. So she says, okay, okay, I'm tired of jail. Let me out and I will take you to the children. You know what, do you remember that wild goose chase that top mom Casey Anthony led police on in the search for Zonaida Gonzalez. They went all over town. They went to slablegress apartments. She claims she worked at Universal Man. She had it down. She even got to the security entrance and told them that she worked there, and they're like, wow, we can't find you on the employee list. And she goes yeah, well I did work here. Hey, you can call my co employees. And she gave names and phone numbers extensions, names of people that worked at Universal, and the security was calling them, and so police are onto. So they take her in and they get all the way up to the door and they're going into Universal, and she says, okay, ah, you got me, like it's some kind of a game. I don't really work at Universal anymore. And all those times she had been sitting on her parents' sofa, eating their food out of their fridge and letting them take care of the baby, claiming she worked at Universal. She would even put on a Universal outfit with tags, old ID tags and leave to go lay up at her boyfriend's apartment. So it's such a charade. And Cheryl McCollum, it sounds like the same thing with Catherine Hoggle.

Yeah, I think Catherine's overplaying her hand a little bit, because you know Nancy better than me. Schizophrenic doesn't mean you don't go to jail. The only reason you're going to stay out of jail is if you can demonstrate you don't know right from wrong. Well, she's already to me proven beautifully she knows what she's done is wrong again, from trying to hide her face, to run in from the police, to not want to involve the police, and not calling number one one to TAKEHI down the poster. She knows so now this is her latest game.

Yeah, I think Catherine's overplaying her hand a little bit, because you know Nancy better than me. Schizophrenic doesn't mean you don't go to jail. The only reason you're going to stay out of jail is if you can demonstrate you don't know right from wrong. Well, she's already to me proven beautifully she knows what she's done is wrong again, from trying to hide her face, to run in from the police, to not want to involve the police, and not calling number one one to TAKEHI down the poster. She knows so now this is her latest game.

Catherine Hoggle, aged thirty, indicted on two counts a first degree murder, accused of killing her two year old son and her three year old daughter. I want to go to you, Cheryl McCollum. Never been found. The people she allegedly gave her children to have never been found. How do we know they weren't sold. How do we know she didn't just give them away? There's nobody. How is she charged with murder Cheryl?

Catherine Hoggle, aged thirty, indicted on two counts a first degree murder, accused of killing her two year old son and her three year old daughter. I want to go to you, Cheryl McCollum. Never been found. The people she allegedly gave her children to have never been found. How do we know they weren't sold. How do we know she didn't just give them away? There's nobody. How is she charged with murder Cheryl?

Well, it's a nobody homicide case, Nancy. And what we do know is at this point years have gone by, the children would have started school. Whoever she gave the children too would have had to take them to school, to the doctor, other places. At this point, they know a manhunt has been going over to the children. This couple, if they existed, would have come forward in some ways. They haven't done anything wrong, but they're not raising to children with you know, no paperwork, no birth certificate or anything like that. It's not true. So again common sense tells us by her actions trying to escape all the time, trying to hide her any trying to hide out in a mental institution, that she has done something horrible with these two children.

Well, it's a nobody homicide case, Nancy. And what we do know is at this point years have gone by, the children would have started school. Whoever she gave the children too would have had to take them to school, to the doctor, other places. At this point, they know a manhunt has been going over to the children. This couple, if they existed, would have come forward in some ways. They haven't done anything wrong, but they're not raising to children with you know, no paperwork, no birth certificate or anything like that. It's not true. So again common sense tells us by her actions trying to escape all the time, trying to hide her any trying to hide out in a mental institution, that she has done something horrible with these two children.

As of right now, these two children have been deemed murder victims. Do we know if any evidence was found, such as blood, the clothing, a shallow grave, anything to suggest that they are dead, Sheryl White.

As of right now, these two children have been deemed murder victims. Do we know if any evidence was found, such as blood, the clothing, a shallow grave, anything to suggest that they are dead, Sheryl White.

Well, what I do know is that state's attorney, John McCarthy says, we would never have filed the charges indicted her on two murder charges if we didn't feel we have a case.

Well, what I do know is that state's attorney, John McCarthy says, we would never have filed the charges indicted her on two murder charges if we didn't feel we have a case.

Take a listen to what the state attorney in Montgomery County has to say.

Take a listen to what the state attorney in Montgomery County has to say.

Under Maryland law, an individual charged with only misdemeanors can only be hospitalized and detained in a formal hospital slash prison setting for a maximum period of three years. She has been incarcerata in that facility, essentially receiving evaluations on a regular basis for her competency to stand trial over the last three years.

Under Maryland law, an individual charged with only misdemeanors can only be hospitalized and detained in a formal hospital slash prison setting for a maximum period of three years. She has been incarcerata in that facility, essentially receiving evaluations on a regular basis for her competency to stand trial over the last three years.

The deadline for those three years came today.

The deadline for those three years came today.

The court today would have had to dismiss the charges against her, and we would have had to release Miss Hoggle as a matter of law, because she could not be held any longer on those misdemeanors. Therefore, we sought an indictment from the grand jury yesterday, charging her with the two counts of murder.

The court today would have had to dismiss the charges against her, and we would have had to release Miss Hoggle as a matter of law, because she could not be held any longer on those misdemeanors. Therefore, we sought an indictment from the grand jury yesterday, charging her with the two counts of murder.

Again, there was no advantage to moving forward.

Again, there was no advantage to moving forward.

I will tell you that as long and I think I've publicly said this before, as long as there's not an indictment, you are allowed to continue to use a grand jury for the purposes of a criminal investigation. Once you indict a case, you lose that option, you lose that right.

I will tell you that as long and I think I've publicly said this before, as long as there's not an indictment, you are allowed to continue to use a grand jury for the purposes of a criminal investigation. Once you indict a case, you lose that option, you lose that right.

That was an investigative tool that we had available to us.

That was an investigative tool that we had available to us.

It did not make any sense if she remained incompetent to lose that tool well because of the law that would have dictated she would become free without any ability for us to check on her whereabouts or her medical station. It became incumbent on us to take the additional step to seek the indictment for the two counts of murder that we did yesterday. The law's now changed in terms of how long we can hold her for the purposes of the evaluation. Miss Hogel can now be held five years now charge with the felony for the purposes of the doctors to attempt to restore who to competency. Competency just basically means you have to have a basic understanding of the nature of the charges. Again, so you have to be able to assist your attorney in defending yourself. This has nothing to do with her guilt or in a sense. I am tremendously frustrated. And I've said this in court before. Am I frustrated that we are here three years into this and she's not been restored to competency.

It did not make any sense if she remained incompetent to lose that tool well because of the law that would have dictated she would become free without any ability for us to check on her whereabouts or her medical station. It became incumbent on us to take the additional step to seek the indictment for the two counts of murder that we did yesterday. The law's now changed in terms of how long we can hold her for the purposes of the evaluation. Miss Hogel can now be held five years now charge with the felony for the purposes of the doctors to attempt to restore who to competency. Competency just basically means you have to have a basic understanding of the nature of the charges. Again, so you have to be able to assist your attorney in defending yourself. This has nothing to do with her guilt or in a sense. I am tremendously frustrated. And I've said this in court before. Am I frustrated that we are here three years into this and she's not been restored to competency.

Absolutely, I am Why am I frustrated?

Absolutely, I am Why am I frustrated?

Well, she's been Look, this is a woman who had a and again I'm talking about things that are in the public record. This was a young woman who'd had prior hospitalizations. She had been identified with psychiatric issues prior to the disappearance of her kids.

Well, she's been Look, this is a woman who had a and again I'm talking about things that are in the public record. This was a young woman who'd had prior hospitalizations. She had been identified with psychiatric issues prior to the disappearance of her kids.

She had been in various hospitals.

She had been in various hospitals.

She had been restored to competency before through psychotropic medications and reintroduced back into the community. I had every hope when she went to Perkins three years ago that we would have that same thing occur.

She had been restored to competency before through psychotropic medications and reintroduced back into the community. I had every hope when she went to Perkins three years ago that we would have that same thing occur.

She would fall into the care of psychiatrists.

She would fall into the care of psychiatrists.

They would determine what her need was and they would begin through a regiment of medications to restore competency that would allow us to move forward. So I am tremendously frustrated, as I can tell you. Look, I'm sure any member of the family on either side of this will tell you above all, they are tremendously frustrated. They knew the psychiatric history, they knew about the restoration of competency in other cases, and they want to know why hasn't the hospital been able to to do that.

They would determine what her need was and they would begin through a regiment of medications to restore competency that would allow us to move forward. So I am tremendously frustrated, as I can tell you. Look, I'm sure any member of the family on either side of this will tell you above all, they are tremendously frustrated. They knew the psychiatric history, they knew about the restoration of competency in other cases, and they want to know why hasn't the hospital been able to to do that.

It's a frustration for all of us.

It's a frustration for all of us.

But again, we've just taken steps legally to give them additional time to do that. And I don't think we had any other option but to seek the indictment we saw it yesterday. It was the only way to adequately I think, protect the public and protect some individual people in particularly.

But again, we've just taken steps legally to give them additional time to do that. And I don't think we had any other option but to seek the indictment we saw it yesterday. It was the only way to adequately I think, protect the public and protect some individual people in particularly.

Back to Cheryl McCollum, director of the Cold Case Research Institute Cheryl, for the longest time, Catherine Huggle stays at a cushy psych facility, repeatedly attempting to escape, and then when she's caught trying to escape, she says she wants to go see her children, and she'll leave police to her children in order to get out. What do you make of that, Cheryl McCollum.

Back to Cheryl McCollum, director of the Cold Case Research Institute Cheryl, for the longest time, Catherine Huggle stays at a cushy psych facility, repeatedly attempting to escape, and then when she's caught trying to escape, she says she wants to go see her children, and she'll leave police to her children in order to get out. What do you make of that, Cheryl McCollum.

The key is eight times she is attempted to escape. If she wanted her children to be, okay, she would tell them where to go, get them and let the children be.

The key is eight times she is attempted to escape. If she wanted her children to be, okay, she would tell them where to go, get them and let the children be.

So what does this say to you? Every time she wants to get out, she says she'll lead the police to her children. That doesn't sound crazy to me.

So what does this say to you? Every time she wants to get out, she says she'll lead the police to her children. That doesn't sound crazy to me.

That sounds like a stunt to me. That sounds like, if you let me out, I will do something for you. That's the extortion.

That sounds like a stunt to me. That sounds like, if you let me out, I will do something for you. That's the extortion.

Another issue to Sheryl White Crime Stories contributor is the legal time limit the statutal limitations on the three misdemeanors the child neglect misdemeanors that she had been charged with initially we're about to give out, which means she would have walked free, okay, right after they go missing. You've got, like, you know, a year or so. On the statutal limitations on misdemeanors it is one to three years, and once that ends and you haven't been prosecuted, you walk free, of course, unless you filed a demand for speedy trial, which she did not. So she's about to walk free, and this murder charge comes down. Is that the way it goes, Cheryl White, That's the way it goes exactly.

Another issue to Sheryl White Crime Stories contributor is the legal time limit the statutal limitations on the three misdemeanors the child neglect misdemeanors that she had been charged with initially we're about to give out, which means she would have walked free, okay, right after they go missing. You've got, like, you know, a year or so. On the statutal limitations on misdemeanors it is one to three years, and once that ends and you haven't been prosecuted, you walk free, of course, unless you filed a demand for speedy trial, which she did not. So she's about to walk free, and this murder charge comes down. Is that the way it goes, Cheryl White, That's the way it goes exactly.

So time was running out, so she was indicted on two counts of murder for the two missing children, and now she can be held for five years under medical care. Now that she's been indicted on the murder charges.

So time was running out, so she was indicted on two counts of murder for the two missing children, and now she can be held for five years under medical care. Now that she's been indicted on the murder charges.

In the last hours, a judge, in his wisdom has ruled Catherine Hoggle will not stand trial in the murders of two little children, Jacob and Sarah, disappear from Montgomery County just two and three years old, and they have never been seen. Well, if this is the law, then the law is an ass Isn't it true that there is no statute limitations on murder? Can Hoggle be recharged and tried in the future. We wait, as just as some faults

In the last hours, a judge, in his wisdom has ruled Catherine Hoggle will not stand trial in the murders of two little children, Jacob and Sarah, disappear from Montgomery County just two and three years old, and they have never been seen. Well, if this is the law, then the law is an ass Isn't it true that there is no statute limitations on murder? Can Hoggle be recharged and tried in the future. We wait, as just as some faults