Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Does it ever end with this guy Alex Murdogg? Major twist? Will this double killer actually walk free? I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. I can see his brain. Gee. I wonder why Alex Murdog because you shot him. That's what a jury said. But now, in a stunning and very upsetting twist, it looks like Alex Murdog could walk free. How How is that possible? Because it appears if I'm reading the two leaves correctly, what the South Carolina Supreme Court is going to do is grant him a new trial? Is that going to happen? So what am I supposed to believe him and his lawyers or the court clerk who is accused of wrongdoing?

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Does it ever end with this guy Alex Murdogg? Major twist? Will this double killer actually walk free? I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. I can see his brain. Gee. I wonder why Alex Murdog because you shot him. That's what a jury said. But now, in a stunning and very upsetting twist, it looks like Alex Murdog could walk free. How How is that possible? Because it appears if I'm reading the two leaves correctly, what the South Carolina Supreme Court is going to do is grant him a new trial? Is that going to happen? So what am I supposed to believe him and his lawyers or the court clerk who is accused of wrongdoing?

Hmm?

Hmm?

Speaking of lying and who to believe?

Speaking of lying and who to believe?

Listen, moilbo, I mean my wife? And oh no, well you know, Mariam, I bear my sword, no bear ground out at my perils. I'm really glad.

Listen, moilbo, I mean my wife? And oh no, well you know, Mariam, I bear my sword, no bear ground out at my perils. I'm really glad.

Okay, So let me understand I'm supposed to believe him and his lawyers over the court clerk straight out to Mark Pepper, high profile lawyer joining us, uh joining US out of Charleston with the Pepper Law firm, Mark, I'm supposed to believe him. You can hear him lying. The jury found him guilty. He did you do you hear that? Uh? It's my wife and my son and I like you and I'm screaming and the carrying on. It's all lies.

Okay, So let me understand I'm supposed to believe him and his lawyers over the court clerk straight out to Mark Pepper, high profile lawyer joining us, uh joining US out of Charleston with the Pepper Law firm, Mark, I'm supposed to believe him. You can hear him lying. The jury found him guilty. He did you do you hear that? Uh? It's my wife and my son and I like you and I'm screaming and the carrying on. It's all lies.

I don't disagree, and certainly the jury didn't. I mean, as you may recall, he took the stand for what seemed like forever. In everything that came out of his mouth was a lie. I'm not so sure why anybody would believe him at this point.

I don't disagree, and certainly the jury didn't. I mean, as you may recall, he took the stand for what seemed like forever. In everything that came out of his mouth was a lie. I'm not so sure why anybody would believe him at this point.

Nancy, Okay, did anyone tell Mark Pepper he's supposed to argue with me and take the other side.

Nancy, Okay, did anyone tell Mark Pepper he's supposed to argue with me and take the other side.

I'm happy to do that. Well, you may not necessarily have to believe in Nancy. Maybe I don't either. But if the Supreme Court of South Carolina believes that the jury tampering affected the outcome of his trial, it may not matter to them whether he was lying or not. If his sixth Amendment right to a fair and impartial trial was violated, then they'll let him lie again on the stand at a new trial. That's the issue this before us, that's come out of this bombshell ruling last week by our Supreme courts.

I'm happy to do that. Well, you may not necessarily have to believe in Nancy. Maybe I don't either. But if the Supreme Court of South Carolina believes that the jury tampering affected the outcome of his trial, it may not matter to them whether he was lying or not. If his sixth Amendment right to a fair and impartial trial was violated, then they'll let him lie again on the stand at a new trial. That's the issue this before us, that's come out of this bombshell ruling last week by our Supreme courts.

I'm stunned. Hold on straight out to Jennifer Wood, joining US, Director research at fitznews dot com, Fiitsnews fitznews dot com. Who was really all up in this story from the beginning about three inches up Murdock's tailpipe. Jennifer, thank you for being with us. What is happening? How is this happening?

I'm stunned. Hold on straight out to Jennifer Wood, joining US, Director research at fitznews dot com, Fiitsnews fitznews dot com. Who was really all up in this story from the beginning about three inches up Murdock's tailpipe. Jennifer, thank you for being with us. What is happening? How is this happening?

You know, this is the story that will just never end. But you know, really what we're looking at is the allegations that Becky Hill, the Clerk of Court in Calleton County now former Clerk court, tampered with the jury by talking to them about the about the merits of the trial, and that Wonder said that that affected her decision.

You know, this is the story that will just never end. But you know, really what we're looking at is the allegations that Becky Hill, the Clerk of Court in Calleton County now former Clerk court, tampered with the jury by talking to them about the about the merits of the trial, and that Wonder said that that affected her decision.

One juror said it affected her decision. Jennifer Wood joining us from Fiatznia's did that. One juror state it would have changed her decision had that not happened, because that's the standard, that is the legal standard.

One juror said it affected her decision. Jennifer Wood joining us from Fiatznia's did that. One juror state it would have changed her decision had that not happened, because that's the standard, that is the legal standard.

It's interesting how she phrased it. She said that she felt influenced to find mister Murdoch guilty by Becky Hill's remarks before she entered the jury room.

It's interesting how she phrased it. She said that she felt influenced to find mister Murdoch guilty by Becky Hill's remarks before she entered the jury room.

Well Jennifer Wood, You're absolutely right. Let's hear it from the horse's mouth. Listen.

Well Jennifer Wood, You're absolutely right. Let's hear it from the horse's mouth. Listen.

Was your verdict.

Was your verdict.

Influenced in any way by the communications of the clerk.

Influenced in any way by the communications of the clerk.

Of court in this case, yes, ma'am?

Of court in this case, yes, ma'am?

And how was it influenced?

And how was it influenced?

To me?

To me?

It felt like.

It felt like.

She made it seem like he was already guilty, all right, and.

She made it seem like he was already guilty, all right, and.

I understand that that's the tenor of the remark she made.

I understand that that's the tenor of the remark she made.

Did that affect your finding of guilty in this case? Yes, ma'am. That sound was from our friends at wlt X. Hmm. Okay, that is ger r Z who says that an offhand comment by the Clerk of court, Becky Hill, affected her decision. You know what, I find that really hard to believe. Doctor Bethany Marshall joining US, high profile psychoanalyst and author of deal Breaker. You can see you're on peacock right now and she's at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany, how would an offhand comment by the calendar clerk, the court clerk just kind of erase the weeks and weeks of testimony you've had where alex Urla got up there on the stand and was proven to be a liar, proven to be a liar, and all that, all the ballistics evidence, all the nav system evidence, all of the digital evidence. Yeah, forget about that. It was because Becky Hill, Yeah, watched him on the stand. Wait, that made her vote guilty.

Did that affect your finding of guilty in this case? Yes, ma'am. That sound was from our friends at wlt X. Hmm. Okay, that is ger r Z who says that an offhand comment by the Clerk of court, Becky Hill, affected her decision. You know what, I find that really hard to believe. Doctor Bethany Marshall joining US, high profile psychoanalyst and author of deal Breaker. You can see you're on peacock right now and she's at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany, how would an offhand comment by the calendar clerk, the court clerk just kind of erase the weeks and weeks of testimony you've had where alex Urla got up there on the stand and was proven to be a liar, proven to be a liar, and all that, all the ballistics evidence, all the nav system evidence, all of the digital evidence. Yeah, forget about that. It was because Becky Hill, Yeah, watched him on the stand. Wait, that made her vote guilty.

Nancy, that's giving Becky Hill a lot of power, isn't it.

Nancy, that's giving Becky Hill a lot of power, isn't it.

You're right?

You're right?

Weeks of testimony, blatant lying on Murdoch's part, him getting up and taking the scand himself and being so unbelievable. Besides the fact, Nancy, there's wader before they choose the jurors. These jurors are very well schooled and taught as to how to engage in critical thinking when it comes to a trial. It's not like they enter the jury pool with absolutely no instruction. They're also a part of a community. They talk to each other, they talk things over and then, Nancy, at the end of the day, there's just common sense when you hear all this testimony. Murdoch shot his wife and son, the heineous nature of the crime. Why would one comment from a court clerk override all of that. It doesn't make sense. So I would wonder, you know, what else is motivating this store. I'd have to examine her in person to know, but it's something other than the fact that she.

Weeks of testimony, blatant lying on Murdoch's part, him getting up and taking the scand himself and being so unbelievable. Besides the fact, Nancy, there's wader before they choose the jurors. These jurors are very well schooled and taught as to how to engage in critical thinking when it comes to a trial. It's not like they enter the jury pool with absolutely no instruction. They're also a part of a community. They talk to each other, they talk things over and then, Nancy, at the end of the day, there's just common sense when you hear all this testimony. Murdoch shot his wife and son, the heineous nature of the crime. Why would one comment from a court clerk override all of that. It doesn't make sense. So I would wonder, you know, what else is motivating this store. I'd have to examine her in person to know, but it's something other than the fact that she.

Was in Okay, what exactly aren't the claims? Because yes, Becky Hill, and I'm not taking her side, and I'm not taking anybody's side, but it's really hard for me to think of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Hey, the Caniar clerk, the court clerk made an inappropriate comment. She told the jury to hurry up with a verdict, and that somehow translates into a new trial. Yes, the court clerk made a book deal for one hundred grand, but does that mean Murdog is not guilty? How did her having a book deal, which we may frown upon, But how does her having a book deal get him a new trial? Shouldn't she just be reprimanded? Why do we have to have a new trial and jeopardize a true verdict? I'm not getting it. What exactly are the allegations because this is somehow turned into Becky Hill versus Alex Murdogg. I mean, if that's my choice, I'm clearly going to rule against Murdog, but the law must be followed whether we like it or not. First, what are the allegations listen.

Was in Okay, what exactly aren't the claims? Because yes, Becky Hill, and I'm not taking her side, and I'm not taking anybody's side, but it's really hard for me to think of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Hey, the Caniar clerk, the court clerk made an inappropriate comment. She told the jury to hurry up with a verdict, and that somehow translates into a new trial. Yes, the court clerk made a book deal for one hundred grand, but does that mean Murdog is not guilty? How did her having a book deal, which we may frown upon, But how does her having a book deal get him a new trial? Shouldn't she just be reprimanded? Why do we have to have a new trial and jeopardize a true verdict? I'm not getting it. What exactly are the allegations because this is somehow turned into Becky Hill versus Alex Murdogg. I mean, if that's my choice, I'm clearly going to rule against Murdog, but the law must be followed whether we like it or not. First, what are the allegations listen.

In a bombshell ruling, the South Carolina Supreme Court will consider whether interference from a court clerk helped sway the jury in convicting Alex Murda of killing his wife, Maggie and youngest son Paul. Murdall. Lawyers say Becky Hill tried to get the jury to convict Murdall to help push sales of a book she is writing about the case in general and specifically about the trial.

In a bombshell ruling, the South Carolina Supreme Court will consider whether interference from a court clerk helped sway the jury in convicting Alex Murda of killing his wife, Maggie and youngest son Paul. Murdall. Lawyers say Becky Hill tried to get the jury to convict Murdall to help push sales of a book she is writing about the case in general and specifically about the trial.

Okay, I'm hearing that, But Jennifer Wood joining me, Director research Fitznews dot com. Yes, she had a book deal, Yes she published a book based on the Murdog saga. But what does that have to do with whatever she allegedly said to the jury. What does she say to them about a book deal? And how does she push them to get a guilty verdict? And how would a guilty verdict be more sensational than a not guilty. I mean, I sat through the evidence as you did, Nifer Wood. I was not surprised when they found him guilty. It would have been much more of an explosion if they had found him not guilty, like Totmom, like OJ Simpson, like Robert Blake, the Shacker is they let him go. So how does her having a book deal somehow equate to them finding murdog guilty under duress?

Okay, I'm hearing that, But Jennifer Wood joining me, Director research Fitznews dot com. Yes, she had a book deal, Yes she published a book based on the Murdog saga. But what does that have to do with whatever she allegedly said to the jury. What does she say to them about a book deal? And how does she push them to get a guilty verdict? And how would a guilty verdict be more sensational than a not guilty. I mean, I sat through the evidence as you did, Nifer Wood. I was not surprised when they found him guilty. It would have been much more of an explosion if they had found him not guilty, like Totmom, like OJ Simpson, like Robert Blake, the Shacker is they let him go. So how does her having a book deal somehow equate to them finding murdog guilty under duress?

So testimony from Rhonda mcaleene, who is the Clerk of court in Barnwell County, South Carolina and was in Callton helping Becky out during the trial, was that Becky had told her that a guilty verdict would be better for her book sales. So that is the defense's argument that she was motivated to sell more books and was pushing the jury towards a guilty guilty verdict.

So testimony from Rhonda mcaleene, who is the Clerk of court in Barnwell County, South Carolina and was in Callton helping Becky out during the trial, was that Becky had told her that a guilty verdict would be better for her book sales. So that is the defense's argument that she was motivated to sell more books and was pushing the jury towards a guilty guilty verdict.

Okay, So because she made the comment, wow, my book is a lot better if they found guilty, that has been used to claim her comments to the jury. I don't care if they were financially motivated. I don't like it. But what matters is under the law, and correct me if I'm wrong, Mark Pepper. What matters under the law is did her comments, whatever the motivation be, did they affect the outcome of the trial. But for those comments, would there have been a different verdict? Isn't that what matters? I mean, it doesn't matter her motivation as to the comments. What matters is did it affect the verdict? Right?

Okay, So because she made the comment, wow, my book is a lot better if they found guilty, that has been used to claim her comments to the jury. I don't care if they were financially motivated. I don't like it. But what matters is under the law, and correct me if I'm wrong, Mark Pepper. What matters under the law is did her comments, whatever the motivation be, did they affect the outcome of the trial. But for those comments, would there have been a different verdict? Isn't that what matters? I mean, it doesn't matter her motivation as to the comments. What matters is did it affect the verdict? Right?

Mark, that's a great point. It doesn't necessarily matter what she said. What matters is whether it prejudiced mister Murdoch, the defendant in this case. How do we show prejudice, Well, we have one juror saying that, but for the comments made to me by Becky Hill. And let's keep in mind it wasn't just that one comment.

Mark, that's a great point. It doesn't necessarily matter what she said. What matters is whether it prejudiced mister Murdoch, the defendant in this case. How do we show prejudice, Well, we have one juror saying that, but for the comments made to me by Becky Hill. And let's keep in mind it wasn't just that one comment.

That's not what she said, Mark Pepper, that is not what she said. Ah h, hold on, She did not say but four.

That's not what she said, Mark Pepper, that is not what she said. Ah h, hold on, She did not say but four.

Well, I was gonna say. It's not a butt four test. It simply did have an outcome on the verdict. In other words, it was it a fair and impartial verdict. And what this one particular juror is saying is that she influenced my vote. She doesn't have to go as for the law doesn't require you to say I would have voted not guilty. It simply says she influenced my vote. She is an outside for she works for Colleton County. She's the clerk of court. She had twenty four to seven access to these jurors. She also mentioned to them, as testimony revealed the hearing that as he approached the witness stand that morning to testifind his other defense, she told the jurors, don't let him fool you. Don't let him fool you. That juror has said those comments affected her and therefore violated six minute right. The prejudice is the only test that's going to before the Supreme Court. I don't know that he gets more blatant than that. When you have an elected official influencing the jury verdict or at least one of the jurors, and it takes all twelve a unanimous verdict in the state of South Carolina to convict one of those was influenced by Becky Hill's comments.

Well, I was gonna say. It's not a butt four test. It simply did have an outcome on the verdict. In other words, it was it a fair and impartial verdict. And what this one particular juror is saying is that she influenced my vote. She doesn't have to go as for the law doesn't require you to say I would have voted not guilty. It simply says she influenced my vote. She is an outside for she works for Colleton County. She's the clerk of court. She had twenty four to seven access to these jurors. She also mentioned to them, as testimony revealed the hearing that as he approached the witness stand that morning to testifind his other defense, she told the jurors, don't let him fool you. Don't let him fool you. That juror has said those comments affected her and therefore violated six minute right. The prejudice is the only test that's going to before the Supreme Court. I don't know that he gets more blatant than that. When you have an elected official influencing the jury verdict or at least one of the jurors, and it takes all twelve a unanimous verdict in the state of South Carolina to convict one of those was influenced by Becky Hill's comments.

Name's Maggie Murdoch, okay, and what's your son's first name? Is Paul Kerry Murdoch?

Name's Maggie Murdoch, okay, and what's your son's first name? Is Paul Kerry Murdoch?

Where they are?

Where they are?

Yes, that's what it looks like.

Yes, that's what it looks like.

Deja vou all over again. Joining me an all star panel including Jennifer Wood from Fitz News to doctor Michelle Dupree joining us for now forensic pathologists, medical examiner, former detective with Lexington County Sheriffs and author of a brand new book, Money, Mischief and Murder Them murdog Saga the rest of the story, and she, like me, endured every day of the trial, and it was painful knowing what the evidence was to unfold, and then seeing Murdog on that body caim where he's like crying and all upset. He just shocked his wife and his son as his son was trying to get away, and we believe Maggie Murdog tried to stop him, and she's dead too, And there he is crying and carrying on in front of the police when they get there, when they respond to that nine to one one call, doctor Michelle Dupree, we're talking about Becky Hill and her book deal and oh she's so awful. Okay, granted she should not have said a word to the jury period, but good morning, there's lunch and goodbye. That's it. According to Jerrr's she did speak, and at least one of them says it affected the verdict. Is that true? I find it hard to believe. But if the juror says that, that's all the court has to go on. Can we have a little reality check about what happened to Maggie and Paul. And this is why I'm so upset, what was done to Maggie and Paul.

Deja vou all over again. Joining me an all star panel including Jennifer Wood from Fitz News to doctor Michelle Dupree joining us for now forensic pathologists, medical examiner, former detective with Lexington County Sheriffs and author of a brand new book, Money, Mischief and Murder Them murdog Saga the rest of the story, and she, like me, endured every day of the trial, and it was painful knowing what the evidence was to unfold, and then seeing Murdog on that body caim where he's like crying and all upset. He just shocked his wife and his son as his son was trying to get away, and we believe Maggie Murdog tried to stop him, and she's dead too, And there he is crying and carrying on in front of the police when they get there, when they respond to that nine to one one call, doctor Michelle Dupree, we're talking about Becky Hill and her book deal and oh she's so awful. Okay, granted she should not have said a word to the jury period, but good morning, there's lunch and goodbye. That's it. According to Jerrr's she did speak, and at least one of them says it affected the verdict. Is that true? I find it hard to believe. But if the juror says that, that's all the court has to go on. Can we have a little reality check about what happened to Maggie and Paul. And this is why I'm so upset, what was done to Maggie and Paul.

When Nancy, first of all, I actually attended that hearing, and I saw that juror who said that, And I have to tell you, I don't think she was that credible. There was some questions. In fact, one of the other attorneys actually wanted to bring her back, and Judge told to Deny that he wanted to bring her back so she could further explain her answer. So, I mean, this is crazy. I think it's absolutely crazy. But what happened to Maggie and Paul is horrific. They were shot by someone that they loved, that supposedly loved them, and not just shot, but shot.

When Nancy, first of all, I actually attended that hearing, and I saw that juror who said that, And I have to tell you, I don't think she was that credible. There was some questions. In fact, one of the other attorneys actually wanted to bring her back, and Judge told to Deny that he wanted to bring her back so she could further explain her answer. So, I mean, this is crazy. I think it's absolutely crazy. But what happened to Maggie and Paul is horrific. They were shot by someone that they loved, that supposedly loved them, and not just shot, but shot.

In a horrible way.

In a horrible way.

He was shot at least four times, maybe five rifle was shot twice with a shotgun. That is a devastating injury. And I think many people cannot get their head around how a father could do that to their son or as he said, his child.

He was shot at least four times, maybe five rifle was shot twice with a shotgun. That is a devastating injury. And I think many people cannot get their head around how a father could do that to their son or as he said, his child.

You know, you stated that a shotgun was used as a murder weapon. Explain why that is so barbaric, Nancy.

You know, you stated that a shotgun was used as a murder weapon. Explain why that is so barbaric, Nancy.

That is so barbaric because the shot that comes out of that is widespread. It, for lack of a better word, it literally can blow someone's head off, and that is approximately what it did to Paul. You see in the photographs are showing this is brain matter, skull tissue. There's no coming back from that. And to do this to someone that you love, that is a horrific way to die. And he was shot twice. Paul knew who was shooting him, Maggie knew who her assailant was. This is unbelievable and to have a new trial based on something like this is absolutely unbelievable.

That is so barbaric because the shot that comes out of that is widespread. It, for lack of a better word, it literally can blow someone's head off, and that is approximately what it did to Paul. You see in the photographs are showing this is brain matter, skull tissue. There's no coming back from that. And to do this to someone that you love, that is a horrific way to die. And he was shot twice. Paul knew who was shooting him, Maggie knew who her assailant was. This is unbelievable and to have a new trial based on something like this is absolutely unbelievable.

Brain matter, skull blood, Paul's head was blown off his body, Maggie chased down and shot. Now the specter has raised, he is set for a new trial. I'm just you know, to Chris McDonough joining me, director of the Cold Case Foundation. I found him on his hit YouTube channel, the Interview Room, but important to me, former homicide detective with over three hundred death inquiries under his belt. Chris, do you see that photo? Blood was literally just absorbed by dirt. They were gunned down outside there at the dog kennel. The digital evidence places were like there. His own navigation system in his vehicle places him there. We can even see when he rolls his window down to throw Maggie's cell phone out of his car to go alibi himself en route to his mother's home where he stayed just long enough to then go back to the dog kennel and quote find end, quote the bodies and call nine one. Chris mcdonnaugh, when you think about the barbaric nature of these two murders on the mother of your two children and your child, your child, it is just gut wrenching to think, Chris mcdonnaugh, this is going to be reversed over some off hand comments by the clerk.

Brain matter, skull blood, Paul's head was blown off his body, Maggie chased down and shot. Now the specter has raised, he is set for a new trial. I'm just you know, to Chris McDonough joining me, director of the Cold Case Foundation. I found him on his hit YouTube channel, the Interview Room, but important to me, former homicide detective with over three hundred death inquiries under his belt. Chris, do you see that photo? Blood was literally just absorbed by dirt. They were gunned down outside there at the dog kennel. The digital evidence places were like there. His own navigation system in his vehicle places him there. We can even see when he rolls his window down to throw Maggie's cell phone out of his car to go alibi himself en route to his mother's home where he stayed just long enough to then go back to the dog kennel and quote find end, quote the bodies and call nine one. Chris mcdonnaugh, when you think about the barbaric nature of these two murders on the mother of your two children and your child, your child, it is just gut wrenching to think, Chris mcdonnaugh, this is going to be reversed over some off hand comments by the clerk.

Yeah, Nancy, I mean, if we take this right in its totality, this is a very barbaric act. The fact that you have the mother of now her deceased child is slaughtered in the same manner as the child herself himself. And now you have the father, who is that individual who's been convicted of this crime. Now think about this. The father chooses a shotgun to blow the hat off of his child, but he's he's not satisfied with that. He does it again. He fires that shotgun again. That's the crew de grag just to make sure that that child is gone. And then that blood in the dirt, that's Mom bleeding out from multiple gunshot or multiple gunshot wounds. He's laying there. She may have witnessed her son being murdered by her ex, by her husband and that child's father. This is far barrack. And now we measure that against two affidavits that were taken by the defense with these jurors, and one of the jurors says, well, you know, we didn't know we were going to spend the whole night and some of us smoke, and we didn't know we couldn't take smoking breaks during the deliberation process. This is ludicrous, It really is.

Yeah, Nancy, I mean, if we take this right in its totality, this is a very barbaric act. The fact that you have the mother of now her deceased child is slaughtered in the same manner as the child herself himself. And now you have the father, who is that individual who's been convicted of this crime. Now think about this. The father chooses a shotgun to blow the hat off of his child, but he's he's not satisfied with that. He does it again. He fires that shotgun again. That's the crew de grag just to make sure that that child is gone. And then that blood in the dirt, that's Mom bleeding out from multiple gunshot or multiple gunshot wounds. He's laying there. She may have witnessed her son being murdered by her ex, by her husband and that child's father. This is far barrack. And now we measure that against two affidavits that were taken by the defense with these jurors, and one of the jurors says, well, you know, we didn't know we were going to spend the whole night and some of us smoke, and we didn't know we couldn't take smoking breaks during the deliberation process. This is ludicrous, It really is.

You know, doctor Bethany Marshall joining me, psychoanalyst and author. You can see Ron Peacock now, doctor Bethany, just the way that Chris mcdonna said that. And I'm going to circle back to Jennifer and doctor Michelle about the wounds to the victims. But what he just said, I don't think I can't think of anything worse in this world than to see harm come to one of my two children, much less what Maggie witnessed. It's just when I think about it, shooting not only your spouse, but your spouse and.

You know, doctor Bethany Marshall joining me, psychoanalyst and author. You can see Ron Peacock now, doctor Bethany, just the way that Chris mcdonna said that. And I'm going to circle back to Jennifer and doctor Michelle about the wounds to the victims. But what he just said, I don't think I can't think of anything worse in this world than to see harm come to one of my two children, much less what Maggie witnessed. It's just when I think about it, shooting not only your spouse, but your spouse and.

Your son, decimating your entire family and Nancy. As Chris McDonough was talking, the thought crossed my mind. When was there a dawning of consciousness for Maggie? Was that split second where she saw her son's head get blown off? Did she realize what was happening? Did it just hit her from out of the blue. You know, Alex Murdoch is not attached to anybody, just himself. And when you think about it, why did he kill them? Because he had this elaborate Ponzi scheme going. He would spend money out of clients trust accounts, and once you'd own that money, then he had to sure more money from another client's trust account and we know the story. It went on and on, and now there was a trial coming up in which he was potentially going to have to pay more money because of his son, the Mallory Beach situation with the boat being driven into the peer and the girl that was ejected and killed. So like the Ponzi scheme, he had to figure out a way to either smack people out or get more money. And I think this was a part of his mo in terms of killing Makie and his son.

Your son, decimating your entire family and Nancy. As Chris McDonough was talking, the thought crossed my mind. When was there a dawning of consciousness for Maggie? Was that split second where she saw her son's head get blown off? Did she realize what was happening? Did it just hit her from out of the blue. You know, Alex Murdoch is not attached to anybody, just himself. And when you think about it, why did he kill them? Because he had this elaborate Ponzi scheme going. He would spend money out of clients trust accounts, and once you'd own that money, then he had to sure more money from another client's trust account and we know the story. It went on and on, and now there was a trial coming up in which he was potentially going to have to pay more money because of his son, the Mallory Beach situation with the boat being driven into the peer and the girl that was ejected and killed. So like the Ponzi scheme, he had to figure out a way to either smack people out or get more money. And I think this was a part of his mo in terms of killing Makie and his son.

And I've just better to the.

And I've just better to the.

Juror for a second. I don't think we can have it both ways in our customs justice system. We can't say I trust you, the juror, to make the appropriate decision about whether or not this man is guilty. But no, I don't trust you juror to be easily swayed by somebody's comment. So is the jur trusted or is the jur not trusted? Which way is it? So? I think this whole whole thing is fallacious. Of argument about Becky Hill.

Juror for a second. I don't think we can have it both ways in our customs justice system. We can't say I trust you, the juror, to make the appropriate decision about whether or not this man is guilty. But no, I don't trust you juror to be easily swayed by somebody's comment. So is the jur trusted or is the jur not trusted? Which way is it? So? I think this whole whole thing is fallacious. Of argument about Becky Hill.

You know Mark Pepper joining these high profile criminal defense attorney and Mark, you can't even argue that this was spur of the moment. He did a passion where he got into an argument. It just went crazy and shot them or shot one in anger and then shot the other one because he didn't want to witness. Because he lured Maggie to that location. They're hunting a lodge out a mozelle. He lured her there. So this was planned in advance. I mean, they had plenty of guns and ammunition there, but he planned it. This was cold blooded to murder his wife and son in cold blood.

You know Mark Pepper joining these high profile criminal defense attorney and Mark, you can't even argue that this was spur of the moment. He did a passion where he got into an argument. It just went crazy and shot them or shot one in anger and then shot the other one because he didn't want to witness. Because he lured Maggie to that location. They're hunting a lodge out a mozelle. He lured her there. So this was planned in advance. I mean, they had plenty of guns and ammunition there, but he planned it. This was cold blooded to murder his wife and son in cold blood.

We watched the same trial, Nancy, and respectfully, I don't recall evidence to that effect. I recall that there were some cell phone downa that put him at the scene within a seven minute window or so.

We watched the same trial, Nancy, and respectfully, I don't recall evidence to that effect. I recall that there were some cell phone downa that put him at the scene within a seven minute window or so.

But I don't recall oh Don just a moment. Pepper, Jennifer Wood, let's correct, Mark Pepper. That's why he wins all of his because his revisionist history revit his version of the facts. Isn't it true, Jennifer from vis News that Maggie told her friends, I don't know why he wants me to go all the way out to Mozelle. He wants me to come back to the Hohing Loss and she was worried on her way out there. She didn't want to go. Isn't that true, Jennifer? Would she did?

But I don't recall oh Don just a moment. Pepper, Jennifer Wood, let's correct, Mark Pepper. That's why he wins all of his because his revisionist history revit his version of the facts. Isn't it true, Jennifer from vis News that Maggie told her friends, I don't know why he wants me to go all the way out to Mozelle. He wants me to come back to the Hohing Loss and she was worried on her way out there. She didn't want to go. Isn't that true, Jennifer? Would she did?

He did want her to come out there, but it was because his father had been admitted to the hospital.

He did want her to come out there, but it was because his father had been admitted to the hospital.

So yeah, now when I go to the hospital, Jennifer.

So yeah, now when I go to the hospital, Jennifer.

That's a good question. Why not meet at the hospital? I believe he was in Savannah, rather than have her drive all the way to Hampton from out of Still Island where their second home was.

That's a good question. Why not meet at the hospital? I believe he was in Savannah, rather than have her drive all the way to Hampton from out of Still Island where their second home was.

Alex murdog on path to get a new trial. Will he walk free? I've got to decide. Am I believing him and his lawyers or am I believing Becky Hill the clerk. Now let's take a look at Murdog's credibility. Remember this.

Alex murdog on path to get a new trial. Will he walk free? I've got to decide. Am I believing him and his lawyers or am I believing Becky Hill the clerk. Now let's take a look at Murdog's credibility. Remember this.

Can't thinking now.

Can't thinking now.

One one ways your emergency? Oh sofa hatchie road?

One one ways your emergency? Oh sofa hatchie road?

Okay, what's going on?

Okay, what's going on?

I stopped.

I stopped.

I got a flat tire and I stopped and somebody stopped to help me. And when I turned my back, they tried to shoot me. Okay, will you shot? Yes? But oh may I'm okay.

I got a flat tire and I stopped and somebody stopped to help me. And when I turned my back, they tried to shoot me. Okay, will you shot? Yes? But oh may I'm okay.

I'm shot in the head, but I'm okay. This elaborate ruse for what insurance money? His lawyers then claimed he had traumatic brain injury. But he shows up in court a few days later with a band aid on his head. And here he is lying to nine one one, and then later through his lawyers, lying to the court about his attack on the side of the road.

I'm shot in the head, but I'm okay. This elaborate ruse for what insurance money? His lawyers then claimed he had traumatic brain injury. But he shows up in court a few days later with a band aid on his head. And here he is lying to nine one one, and then later through his lawyers, lying to the court about his attack on the side of the road.

Listen, you shot where where were you shut at?

Listen, you shot where where were you shut at?

Huh?

Huh?

They actually shoot you, They're tied to shoot you. They shot me. But okay, wait you need ems? Uh huh? Well, I mean yes, I can't drive, okay, And I'm bleeding a lot. When we're part of your body, I'm not sure somewhere on my head you're not.

They actually shoot you, They're tied to shoot you. They shot me. But okay, wait you need ems? Uh huh? Well, I mean yes, I can't drive, okay, And I'm bleeding a lot. When we're part of your body, I'm not sure somewhere on my head you're not.

Bleeding a lot. You're lying. You're actually fine. This was all a setup arranged by Alex Murdogg. To get what else? Money? Money? It's all about money, you know, I'm trying to understand, Jennifer Wood. As you recall, Murdog set up to this whole scheme where he would be shot on the side of the road for money, and there he is lying about it to nine one one, and all of this came out at trial.

Bleeding a lot. You're lying. You're actually fine. This was all a setup arranged by Alex Murdogg. To get what else? Money? Money? It's all about money, you know, I'm trying to understand, Jennifer Wood. As you recall, Murdog set up to this whole scheme where he would be shot on the side of the road for money, and there he is lying about it to nine one one, and all of this came out at trial.

It shure, did I mean when it happened? Shortly after we realized that the vehicle he was driving actually had run flat tires, so he claimed that he stopped a change of flat tyre And quickly we realized that he didn't even need to. That car would have kept driving, so it really fell apart. And then during the trial the prosecution managed to get evidence about that roadside shooting admitted in testimony.

It shure, did I mean when it happened? Shortly after we realized that the vehicle he was driving actually had run flat tires, so he claimed that he stopped a change of flat tyre And quickly we realized that he didn't even need to. That car would have kept driving, so it really fell apart. And then during the trial the prosecution managed to get evidence about that roadside shooting admitted in testimony.

Yet now Murdogg is on the precipice, the verge of a new trial. To you, Pepper, what would that mean if he got a new trial?

Yet now Murdogg is on the precipice, the verge of a new trial. To you, Pepper, what would that mean if he got a new trial?

We start all anew It never happened. None of the testimony that has been placed under oath can never be read into the record. Again, we start as if we were way back in Jane, wary of last year, picking a brain new jury, sending new summons out the question will become can he get a fair and impartial trial in Hampton County? Can he get it anywhere in the state of South Carolina. At this point, if we get a new trial by the Supreme Court, we've got a lot of homework to do. Where is the venue going to be, who are the how big is the jury pool going to be? But they're going to have to put up the same exact witnesses. And now Murdoch's lawyers are going to have the Procetitut's playbook, They're going to have seen all their cards. This is a very interesting twist. It could very well not only grant him a new trial, but render the opposite verdict this time.

We start all anew It never happened. None of the testimony that has been placed under oath can never be read into the record. Again, we start as if we were way back in Jane, wary of last year, picking a brain new jury, sending new summons out the question will become can he get a fair and impartial trial in Hampton County? Can he get it anywhere in the state of South Carolina. At this point, if we get a new trial by the Supreme Court, we've got a lot of homework to do. Where is the venue going to be, who are the how big is the jury pool going to be? But they're going to have to put up the same exact witnesses. And now Murdoch's lawyers are going to have the Procetitut's playbook, They're going to have seen all their cards. This is a very interesting twist. It could very well not only grant him a new trial, but render the opposite verdict this time.

Now there's the issue of an unauthorized photo taken of Murnaud in the holding sale listen.

Now there's the issue of an unauthorized photo taken of Murnaud in the holding sale listen.

Currently facing of ethics violations during her time as the Clerk of Court, Hill has been been accused of arranging a photo to be taken of Alex Murda when he was being held in a holding cell. The State Ethics Commission filed two complaints against to Becky for a total of seventy six ethics five violations.

Currently facing of ethics violations during her time as the Clerk of Court, Hill has been been accused of arranging a photo to be taken of Alex Murda when he was being held in a holding cell. The State Ethics Commission filed two complaints against to Becky for a total of seventy six ethics five violations.

The complaint against Hill has two counts, one that she provided an individual with confidential information the photo of an inmate in the Collegeen County Courthouse holding celle to promote the sale of a book count two states. Hill filmed a promotional segment with the Walterborough Chamber of Commerce president or her book in her office at the Collegden County Courthouse.

The complaint against Hill has two counts, one that she provided an individual with confidential information the photo of an inmate in the Collegeen County Courthouse holding celle to promote the sale of a book count two states. Hill filmed a promotional segment with the Walterborough Chamber of Commerce president or her book in her office at the Collegden County Courthouse.

Jennifer Hill Fitz News. How does a photo of Alex and Murdog in a holding sale and a promo she shoots with the Chamber of Commerce, What does that have to do with Murdoch getting a new trial? I don't care about that.

Jennifer Hill Fitz News. How does a photo of Alex and Murdog in a holding sale and a promo she shoots with the Chamber of Commerce, What does that have to do with Murdoch getting a new trial? I don't care about that.

It goes straight to Becky Hill's credibility. So we keep talking about how Murdoch is incredible because he lies over and over again. But now we're looking at a seventy six count ethics and ethics complaint that is being heard by the Ethics Commission in December, and a lot of those those ethics complaints have been referred to for criminal investigation. So it you know, it's going to be very interesting to see how that plays out. You know, Becky Hill used that photo to promote her book, the photo of Alex in his holding cell, and that came up in the ethics complaint. Hill says that Gary Hale, one of her employees, actually took the photo.

It goes straight to Becky Hill's credibility. So we keep talking about how Murdoch is incredible because he lies over and over again. But now we're looking at a seventy six count ethics and ethics complaint that is being heard by the Ethics Commission in December, and a lot of those those ethics complaints have been referred to for criminal investigation. So it you know, it's going to be very interesting to see how that plays out. You know, Becky Hill used that photo to promote her book, the photo of Alex in his holding cell, and that came up in the ethics complaint. Hill says that Gary Hale, one of her employees, actually took the photo.

So it is.

So it is.

It's they're all interesting and they all go to Becky Hill's credibility.

It's they're all interesting and they all go to Becky Hill's credibility.

Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

Did you see a part.

Did you see a part.

Of the book?

Of the book?

I did plagiariyce, mister har it is and for that I'm very sorry and I have apologized.

I did plagiariyce, mister har it is and for that I'm very sorry and I have apologized.

And that makes it okay.

And that makes it okay.

What I did, I did, and I apologized for that.

What I did, I did, and I apologized for that.

And part of the book is you say literary license exaggeration.

And part of the book is you say literary license exaggeration.

I wouldn't call it exaggeration. Okay. You're hearing in COURTTHRK Becky Hill under cross examination by Murdog's defense. So we've got her admitting that she plagiarized in part of her book. The book was immediately taken off the stand. But how does that equal a new trial? And by the way, that sound was from our friends at w l t X. So let's compare that to testimony from Alex Murdog.

I wouldn't call it exaggeration. Okay. You're hearing in COURTTHRK Becky Hill under cross examination by Murdog's defense. So we've got her admitting that she plagiarized in part of her book. The book was immediately taken off the stand. But how does that equal a new trial? And by the way, that sound was from our friends at w l t X. So let's compare that to testimony from Alex Murdog.

Listen a lot of Danny Henderson, I did light of Daddy, Julia, Jenny Seconder, Yes, I did, Julio, and that Griswold I did. July to Michael Gunn.

Listen a lot of Danny Henderson, I did light of Daddy, Julia, Jenny Seconder, Yes, I did, Julio, and that Griswold I did. July to Michael Gunn.

I'm sure I did at some point, but Michael wasn't involved in any of this, so I don't know that any of this ever came up with michaelj.

I'm sure I did at some point, but Michael wasn't involved in any of this, so I don't know that any of this ever came up with michaelj.

A lot of your clients use a lot of Pamela Pagney. I did Natasha Thomas.

A lot of your clients use a lot of Pamela Pagney. I did Natasha Thomas.

I don't know that I'd dealt with Natasha, but I certainly lied about that.

I don't know that I'd dealt with Natasha, but I certainly lied about that.

A lot of the people he lied too, or his clients, some of them even disabled getting big money settlements for them and stealing it. You're hearing sound from the triump from our friends at w l t X. But this pattern, and you will recall this, doctor Michelle Dupree, seemingly goes back at least to the death of teen girl Mallory Beach. In that case, his son was on his Murdoch's boat drinking to excess. Photos have emerged of that evening on the boat. I went out on the water and saw where Mallory Beach's body was flown through the air with Murdoch's son speeding drunk at the helm. And this is what we know. We know, Doctor Dupree, that witnesses state that immediately after the boat crash caused by Murdoch's son Murdoch goes to the hospital and tries to tries to get the teens to change their story and not speak to police. So that starts at the time of the Mallory Beach death, the pattern of lying and subterfuge to get what you want. Do you remember the death of Mallory Beach, doctor Dupree?

A lot of the people he lied too, or his clients, some of them even disabled getting big money settlements for them and stealing it. You're hearing sound from the triump from our friends at w l t X. But this pattern, and you will recall this, doctor Michelle Dupree, seemingly goes back at least to the death of teen girl Mallory Beach. In that case, his son was on his Murdoch's boat drinking to excess. Photos have emerged of that evening on the boat. I went out on the water and saw where Mallory Beach's body was flown through the air with Murdoch's son speeding drunk at the helm. And this is what we know. We know, Doctor Dupree, that witnesses state that immediately after the boat crash caused by Murdoch's son Murdoch goes to the hospital and tries to tries to get the teens to change their story and not speak to police. So that starts at the time of the Mallory Beach death, the pattern of lying and subterfuge to get what you want. Do you remember the death of Mallory Beach, doctor Dupree?

Absolutely, Nancy, another tragic accident that should not have happened.

Absolutely, Nancy, another tragic accident that should not have happened.

WHOA did you call that an accident where you're drunk out of your skull and everybody's begging you to get from behind the wheel, but you laugh maniacally and keep driving until you hit cement pilings under an overpass and Mallory goes flying through the air to her death. She's fished out of the water about three days later, bloated, bloated in purple. That's not an accident with every drink that was intentional. That's a crash.

WHOA did you call that an accident where you're drunk out of your skull and everybody's begging you to get from behind the wheel, but you laugh maniacally and keep driving until you hit cement pilings under an overpass and Mallory goes flying through the air to her death. She's fished out of the water about three days later, bloated, bloated in purple. That's not an accident with every drink that was intentional. That's a crash.

You're absolutely right. I think that should be last fight as a homicide. Unfortunately it usually isn't.

You're absolutely right. I think that should be last fight as a homicide. Unfortunately it usually isn't.

But no, you're right.

But no, you're right.

I mean, you know, Alex said everything he could, no matter what it costs, no matter what it took, he would lie his way out of things. And he has a pattern of doing that since basically the beginning of time. That is how he has lived his life, and it just came to fruition. It came to light with the Mallory Beach crash, and then it went down on hell from there.

I mean, you know, Alex said everything he could, no matter what it costs, no matter what it took, he would lie his way out of things. And he has a pattern of doing that since basically the beginning of time. That is how he has lived his life, and it just came to fruition. It came to light with the Mallory Beach crash, and then it went down on hell from there.

Now another person is probably doing the backflip over the possibility, the very strong possibility of any trial for Murdock is Prosecutor Creighton Waters now here he is trying to rehabilitate Becky Hill on the stand.

Now another person is probably doing the backflip over the possibility, the very strong possibility of any trial for Murdock is Prosecutor Creighton Waters now here he is trying to rehabilitate Becky Hill on the stand.

At any time, did you.

At any time, did you.

Interact with any juror in an attempt to influence their.

Interact with any juror in an attempt to influence their.

View of the facts in the state of the Murdock case.

View of the facts in the state of the Murdock case.

No, all right, now I want to ask.

No, all right, now I want to ask.

You some specifics about that and some allegation that have been raised. At any time, did you tell the jury not to be fooled by evidence.

You some specifics about that and some allegation that have been raised. At any time, did you tell the jury not to be fooled by evidence.

Presented by mister Murdock's attorneys, I did not.

Presented by mister Murdock's attorneys, I did not.

At any time, did you instruct the jury to watch him closely and look.

At any time, did you instruct the jury to watch him closely and look.

At his actions?

At his actions?

I did not.

I did not.

At any time, did.

At any time, did.

You instruct the jury or tell the jury.

You instruct the jury or tell the jury.

To look at his movements?

To look at his movements?

At any time as the jury moved to deliberate, did you tell the jury this shouldn't take long.

At any time as the jury moved to deliberate, did you tell the jury this shouldn't take long.

That from our friends at w lt X. The problem is this Mark Pepper, a high profile lawyer with the Pepper firm. I may not well, I don't believe anything Alex Murdoch says, and I did not observe any inappropriate behavior on the part of Baker Hill when I was there every day at the trial. But the law is that if the appellate Court is not a try or of fact, they've got to make their decision based on the transcripts and the evidence given to them, and if it looks like to them that Becky Hill had any impact on even one gr R man, we're looking at a new trial.

That from our friends at w lt X. The problem is this Mark Pepper, a high profile lawyer with the Pepper firm. I may not well, I don't believe anything Alex Murdoch says, and I did not observe any inappropriate behavior on the part of Baker Hill when I was there every day at the trial. But the law is that if the appellate Court is not a try or of fact, they've got to make their decision based on the transcripts and the evidence given to them, and if it looks like to them that Becky Hill had any impact on even one gr R man, we're looking at a new trial.

That's correct, that's the test. We can talk about who's a liar and who's not. All we want at the end of the day, either Becky Hill is lying to ar answer to create Waters or these jurors whom he was reading their written affidavits to Becky and they're lying. And our law is clear. If there's an outside force, especially an elected official who you spend hours and hours with, that has influenced your vote, then as a matter of law, you did not get a fair and impartial verdict rendered against you, and you are entitled to a new trial. That is the law of our state. That is the law of the United States.

That's correct, that's the test. We can talk about who's a liar and who's not. All we want at the end of the day, either Becky Hill is lying to ar answer to create Waters or these jurors whom he was reading their written affidavits to Becky and they're lying. And our law is clear. If there's an outside force, especially an elected official who you spend hours and hours with, that has influenced your vote, then as a matter of law, you did not get a fair and impartial verdict rendered against you, and you are entitled to a new trial. That is the law of our state. That is the law of the United States.

Let me give you an example.

Let me give you an example.

You indicate riding back from Mozelle that you and three other people were in a car and you all decided Adam, I think was the word you use, that he was guilty, that he had killed his wife and son. Is that what you put in the book?

You indicate riding back from Mozelle that you and three other people were in a car and you all decided Adam, I think was the word you use, that he was guilty, that he had killed his wife and son. Is that what you put in the book?

I can't remember if I put that in the book, but if you say I did, then I.

I can't remember if I put that in the book, but if you say I did, then I.

Will figure that happened.

Will figure that happened.

We did have a conversation about what each of us.

We did have a conversation about what each of us.

Thought, and the all four agreed that he was guilty correctly, and none.

Thought, and the all four agreed that he was guilty correctly, and none.

Of us were jurors.

Of us were jurors.

No trust me, I know that. But you had an abiding conviction at least by the time of the Mozelle visit, that he was guilty.

No trust me, I know that. But you had an abiding conviction at least by the time of the Mozelle visit, that he was guilty.

That's for our friends at w lt X. Thank you lt X. Doesn't matter what Baker Hill thought or believed. What matters is what the jury believed and did she affect their decision? For the appellate court, what matters is is there an appearance of impropriety? Does it look like she may have affected their decision? And if so, Alex Murdock could be headed to a new trial and it wouldn't be the first time there maybe jury tampering, whether wittingly or unwittingly. Think John Gottie, the mob boss, Remember Gotti, jury tampering, Haffa, Jimmy Hoffa, same thing, jury tampering. We're still looking for his body. By the way, you know, Chris mcdonna joining me, Director Cole Case Foundation, former homicide detective. How sick does it make you to think of Paul and Maggie dad shot the way they were, no mercy, all the hard work put into that case. You remember that trial, we lived through it together, and now a reversal.

That's for our friends at w lt X. Thank you lt X. Doesn't matter what Baker Hill thought or believed. What matters is what the jury believed and did she affect their decision? For the appellate court, what matters is is there an appearance of impropriety? Does it look like she may have affected their decision? And if so, Alex Murdock could be headed to a new trial and it wouldn't be the first time there maybe jury tampering, whether wittingly or unwittingly. Think John Gottie, the mob boss, Remember Gotti, jury tampering, Haffa, Jimmy Hoffa, same thing, jury tampering. We're still looking for his body. By the way, you know, Chris mcdonna joining me, Director Cole Case Foundation, former homicide detective. How sick does it make you to think of Paul and Maggie dad shot the way they were, no mercy, all the hard work put into that case. You remember that trial, we lived through it together, and now a reversal.

Yeah, I mean again, I go back to you know, there's a huge difference of just you know, allegations of state funds and using facilities as you know, ethics violations, et cetera for you know, the clerk of the court. But from an investigative aspect, I mean, just that one nine to one one call from the shot earlier, you know, just that alone was gold for an investigator. I mean, first of all, he says, they shot me, Well, who's they?

Yeah, I mean again, I go back to you know, there's a huge difference of just you know, allegations of state funds and using facilities as you know, ethics violations, et cetera for you know, the clerk of the court. But from an investigative aspect, I mean, just that one nine to one one call from the shot earlier, you know, just that alone was gold for an investigator. I mean, first of all, he says, they shot me, Well, who's they?

You know?

You know?

And I think those are the kind of smoke and mirrors that are taking place by the defense. And you've got to give them credit. They're doing their job. But at the same time, it is very frustrating to see that they skip the appellate process and the Supreme Court in South Carolina picks it up right away. But why do they do that Because they shifted the law on a federal cage and they applied that, you know, to the to the motion. So yeah, it is frustrating, Nancy. And you know, I hope the victims get justice here.

And I think those are the kind of smoke and mirrors that are taking place by the defense. And you've got to give them credit. They're doing their job. But at the same time, it is very frustrating to see that they skip the appellate process and the Supreme Court in South Carolina picks it up right away. But why do they do that Because they shifted the law on a federal cage and they applied that, you know, to the to the motion. So yeah, it is frustrating, Nancy. And you know, I hope the victims get justice here.

But wouldn't you agree, Chris mcdonna, wouldn't you agree even knowing the blood, sweat and tears that Ellie Law Enforcement put into making this case that no matter what we think of Alex Murdoch and no matter what he did, the law is the law, and the law must prevail, whether you and I like it or not, we serve the law. Do you agree with.

But wouldn't you agree, Chris mcdonna, wouldn't you agree even knowing the blood, sweat and tears that Ellie Law Enforcement put into making this case that no matter what we think of Alex Murdoch and no matter what he did, the law is the law, and the law must prevail, whether you and I like it or not, we serve the law. Do you agree with.

That one hundred percent? Nancy? And that's that's why we always investigate information and not the person. And you know, let's hope that the right information goes to that court as.

That one hundred percent? Nancy? And that's that's why we always investigate information and not the person. And you know, let's hope that the right information goes to that court as.

It stands right now, I don't see a way around it. We'll see as just as unfolds. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,

It stands right now, I don't see a way around it. We'll see as just as unfolds. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,