Peter and Gideon pod about a day's nothing at Old Trafford as the Fourth Test ends in a rain-soaked draw, contemplate the lessons for Australia, the consequences for England, historic understandings of Ashes supremacy, and read your email....or don't.  Also includes use of the word 'gubbins.'

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