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Plus show Time Mahomes Trivia. We got to show Time a home stopping by giving away prizes. So your chance to win here on the show again. I'm Steve Covino. Great to see you. You mean the new Papa Papa Golden Mahomes here you welcomed a baby girl with Brittany. Congratulations today. All right, congrats to the Mahomes family. And of course that's Rich Davis. Let's welcome the Buttery Danny g to the show.
Anyone up, Yo? What's happy Tuesday? Man?
So Buttery and of course Iowa Sam, what's up?
Sam?
Our Tuesday is happy? Yes, we have time to day of the week. We're gonna have fun today. Sam seems miserable. Oh yeah, we're gonna feel to it. We're gonna have a good time today. And of course Dan Bayer, the consummate professional, has your updates. He'll be hanging out with us. But thank you Fox Sports Radio Nation again. Hit us up at Covino and Rich. Let's talk Sam Darnald to get it going. Of course we got to talk Stafford the whole game. Hope you had an La Rams sort of night. I had a feeling, WHOA, sometimes I get a good feeling. I had a feeling that the Rams had extra to play for and they would play big. The Vikings had lost a little bit of confidence, but I did think that they would show up more than that. This bothers me, and it's not all Donald's fault. I want to make back Listen, I'm gonna defend Sam Donald, but we are gonna talk what the heck you do with this guy moving forward? But oh, when he said this, I thought it was a beautiful sentiment. So don't get it twisted. We live in La a lot of destruction, a lot of sadness. But this is what Matthew Stafford said after the game.
We're playing for today. You know it was it was go get the swim. But man, it's the people in Los Angeles struggling right now.
It's been unbelieable to watch the whole community, you.
Know, the state and the country kind of get behind him.
It's it's a tough time to be back there, and we're just happy.
Then we came out and played like this tonight to get you know, something to be happy about. Yeah, how do you think that what's happening back at home maybe somehow inspired you guys? Yeah, I mean, uh, you know, we're living it every day, and uh, you know, it was it was. It was a tough week for us, a bunch of moving parts.
Our organization did a hell of a job and taking care of us, get us and you know, over here to practice setting it up with families.
I mean, it's been a it's been a whirlwind.
And to come out here play like we did and really all phases.
I'm really proud of this group. Did you add that emotional music?
I did just to prove my point. Okay, everybody was gonna start singing everything's better with emotional music in the background.
But listen, you said it yesterday.
Covino goes they're gonna play for La and I look, in a game of inches, right, every little advantage helps, and if they have something serious to play for, they all want to win.
I do believe that, but.
They have that little extra on their mind, like we gotta do it for the city of La.
We have to.
You saw Pookinakua cheering about it. He was all smiles, almost tears, like we did it for La. Stafford did it for La. I call it the old do it for Johnny.
We'll do it for Joy.
Now here's what Rich thinks. Rich doesn't believe in the old do it for Johnny? And I'm like no, And there's too many examples where it comes into play. People play with that extra passion, that extra motivation that they need to push them over the hump. You saw the Rams playing big last night. The Vikings offensive line couldn't even stop them. They had nine sacks last night. It was an offensive line. It was an offensive line. My question, just to get it going, Fox Sports Radio Nation, do you believe in the old dude for Janny? Do you believe in that? Because Ritch, you think what I think that everyone's trying to do it for Johnny. Everyone's got a different Johnny. Look at it this way, there are Vikings players that probably reside in southern California, but they don't represent southern California.
Let me give you a dumb analogy.
You know, when you buy a car and you may have never seen that car on the road, and then you get that car and you're like, oh my god, there's another Rivian, there's another jeep, there's another you know BMW would one another one, and you don't notice it until you have it. I think we notice these things when they happen because they're beautiful stories. But so many times there's someone playing for someone or something, and when it doesn't work out, you just move past it. What Rich is trying to say, and he said it many times. He thinks that there's no such thing as wanting it more, and I completely disagree. He's like, they all want it the same. And here's why you could see it in the fight game. Everybody's fighting for a championship, everyone's fighting for the bag or the heavyweight belt. Right. Some guys are fighting to survive, fighting to put food on the table, fighting to get their family out of poverty, fighting to change to family stars. And then there's other people fighting because it's the sport you're gonna tell me the guy fighting to get out of the Mario isn't fighting harder and stronger, wants it more than the guy who was born with a silver spoon, than just fighting because he.
Likes to box.
Did you just give me the storyline of Rocky three when Rocky got a little too complacent and he lost the eye of the tiger. Doesn't that prove the point Rich is saying, there's no such thing as wanting it more. They all want it, and I'm like boloney, they're pro athletes. They all want it. Not listen every team. If you wanted to dig for a sentimental storyline, you could find one. It just the Los Angeles one is near and dear to us. We live here, we know people, We've seen things. It's been a terrible week and a half in Los Angeles. There's no doubt about that.
Dude.
If you don't believe in extra added motivation, then what Rally cries don't help. Motivational speeches don't help. When they're getting in the huddle and getting people hyped up, that doesn't help.
Yeah, you believed in that OMG song? Yeah that was the case.
The Mets would have won the World Series. But that brought the team together.
Man. Yeah, and you're Rich.
You've struck out on this argument before two octobers ago. Go back in the ceeing our time machine here on Fox Sports Radio. You argued with us the day Dick Butkus died and Covino said, do it for Dick.
That's been his slogan since college.
And Rich, I was just rereading Rich's tattoo.
Yeah, Rich, you said, now, Chicago's not gonna come out with extra effort for that. I don't know if these young players even know who but Gus really is. Remember, and then what they scored forty that night won the game. Postgame, the players were saying that was for but Gus. And you came in the.
Next day and you're like, oh, okay, Danny, your.
Dodgers didn't win the World Series for Fernando Valenzuela.
They just happen to be a great team.
And you know what, the fact that a legend passed away, it adds to the story, but it's.
Added motivation in Chicago was not a great team in twenty twenty three, were.
Got saying this is a full proof plan that's undefeated. Of course, it's not always gonna work. Some teams are just better, but I think it could bring teams closer together, something to rally around. You're doing it for the fans. That Dick Bucker's story. That was a good one because Rich did make a point. These young players didn't even know who he was. But after the game they're like, we did it for him. We know how much he meant to the organization to the fans, didn't they say? They showed us a bunch of his highlights before the game, So what got them is inspired and motivated. I do think those little things work.
They matter.
You know, the Rams may have just beat them anyway, but the fact that they were playing for LA in a time of need, I think added to it. It adds to the story, no doubt. But I do believe in the do it for Johnny And as I said yesterday and I'll say one more time, Rich to me, one of the greatest examples was Brett Favre playing his biggest best game the day his father died, just more to play for It was an escape for him to be in between the lines, playing for his dad and put up crazy numbers on a magical night. Listen, I don't want to be the Joe Montana here, and by that I mean I don't want to ruin the Rudy story. You know, Joe Montana is one of my heroes. It's okay, but this is what you really believe if you believe is coincidence. No, that's fine, I want to I never want to be the buzzkill of fun. In fact, I'm the guy that wants to have too much fun. But I'm sorry, Charlie Murphy, I was having too much fun. I am sometimes I don't know how to not you know, I don't know how to be serious. So the reality is it's odd for me to have this stance on it because I don't want to be the Joe Montana that says, well, you know, guys, the team really didn't throw their jerseys on the desk for Rudy. You know, Rudy was it? The movie was really inaccurate. I don't want to be Joe Montana and ruin the story. But for every Brett Favre who lost a family member and had the game of his life, we just don't talk about the guy who lost a family member and then had a crap game, you know what.
Brandon Nimo on the Mets. Remember his grandmother passed away.
He found out right before a playoff game and ended up having like the couple hits, game winning hit.
That's a great story, but if Nimo went oh for four, we just would never.
Have really heard the narrative. Again, It's like the oh wow, I got these new Jordan's. I thought no one else had them. Then you see like two other people have them. Let's leave it to the people. Fox Sports Radio Nation, we're calling on you. You make the call, like the old school NFL tapes, You make the call.
Do you believe in the old du it for Johnny?
The fact that the Elie Rams pulled off a twenty seven to nine victory over the Vikings Jim.
Harb On, Wait, so Harbaugh and the Chargers don't care about La.
They loved they were doing it for La and you heard Stafford talking about it. Then there's always that magical story of d Gordon. I know that's one of your favorite stories. How do you not factor that story into it? De Gordon wasn't a home run hitter, but guess what he was when he let off the game right after Jose Fernandez died. That was magical. That was what a tier to everybody in the stadium that was against the Mets. And I remember even the Mets players were in tears after. But Rich is saying coincidence, So I'm saying magic.
So answer me this. I'm saying moments.
I'm saying added incentive and motivation to get together and really come together for one cause. Aside from winning, everyone's there to win. They have that little extra. I don't want to be I don't want to be Debbie Downer. What's the mail version of that?
Again? Negative? Noar Berto, just sid I don't want to be negative north Berto. Oh, you got to be so negative.
But to me, if your theory is correct, and Stafford and pookin the Koua and Kyron Williams and these guys really were playing for all the people out here in LA that were struggling, playing for a city, I get it, dude.
I'm I'm not insensitive. I live in La. I've seen what's happened.
I don't think you're being in sent by by that. You're just taking a realistic approach to it. By that thinking, By that thinking, the Charger should have whooped the.
Texans on Saturday. And my parlay was dead after.
That game, you know, Jim Harbaugh, Wait, are you saying Matt Stafford's a liar?
I'm pretty sure what was the first thing he said? Sam?
Can you play that one just right off the bat? Oh?
We're playing for today?
You know it was getting a swim man people Los Angeles. I guess you're saying he's lying.
Then, now, Rich, the Charger situation was slightly different because they went to Houston as scheduled. They didn't have the bid Wells jet airliners picking them up in that stadium bending over backwards to help the LA.
Cause I still think of them as the San Diego Chargers anyway. Oh okay, so yeah, it's a little different. I'll give you that. You know why this theory was put to sleep from me twenty four years ago. The year was two thousand and one. Dude, Miracles don't always happen, that is true. I do not like, and I think I speak on behalf of everyone in this room except Cavino, Green Eggs and Ham or the Yankees. I do not like Green Eggs and Ham or the New York Yankees. The one time in my life I'm a man, I'm forty, I'm a man, in my forties. One time, as a grown man, have I rooted for the New York Yankees. It was when I was living in New York City after nine to eleven, and that's the one year they couldn't get it done. The one year they lose to the Diamondbacks. Let's up a bloop single to Gonzo and they win. That was a night on the question as the Yankees say, would you have given up two of the other World series for that one?
No?
I mean things happen as they may. It was a heartbreaker. Everybody was pulling for the Yankees, except for Arizona fans at the time. But you can't expect it to always happen, right, But there's so many moments and so many times where it does not changing. You're not changing my mind. I'm just saying I get it. They are you saying Matt Damon was lying?
Not Matt Damon. I'm gonna let you figure this one out where I don't know where you're going? Who hold on? Sam? Can you play some on hold music?
Never I got Matt Dylan. Matt dan is a liar in the movie The Outsiders. The Lesser Known, Yeah, how do you think the Greasers beat the Sosias.
Dude.
I'm again not trying to be a negative nor Burdo. I'm happy for of course the Rams in Los Angeles. It's a great story, but I don't think I just don't think they outplayed the Vikings because they're they're either got a little heavy harp because of all this said this yere in La, I think they're just all right. Let me ask you this. When they were in the locker room trying to hype each other up, smashing helmets, hitting each other in the pad, what are you doing in the locker room right getting each other fired up for the game? What do you think they were saying to each other? Hi, George Foreman, Gary on Tee, I, George Forman guaranteed, what are you doing this for the city of La?
Are you selling mufflers? Dude?
So many people are are are watching this game tonight. We got to give him something to cheer about. Let's do it for La or the La Rams. You gotta do. I guarantee you that's.
What they were.
You know what, if it was helpful motivation, I can't argue that. So anyway you thought.
You know what? Really quick?
I wish the Lakers could have taken. Last night, they lost by what twenty to Wemby in the Spurs On Cooper Induction night, and JJ Reddick is a person who lost his home.
Unfortunately in the fire, Redick lost his home and they lost by twenty. So again, it doesn't work all the time lost all.
I heard his stories, kids lost all their collective balls and jerseys.
So sad cove answer me this, Yeah, do you think.
This goes under the same category as bulletin board material? Because another layer of the Rams story was that did you hear how it?
Uh? It got out?
Then after the Vikings Lions game two weeks ago, when during the postgame little handshake, there was the sentiment of a c in two weeks and that was a insult to the Rams, like what are they with the Lions? Just the Lions and everyone things said, Oh, they'll just match up two weeks from now against all. I still think it's a matter of the Rams seem to be clicking at the right time, right.
I was gonna say momentum in season adjustments made by Sean McVeigh. He's always good at that, and the Rams always seemed to click towards the end of the year when it matters.
They seem to be clicking, they seem to be pumped. They made flat.
Yeah, their d had momentum going into this, and.
We can't forget the fact that they got a total momentum call with that forward pass. My oh, I gotta be PG here. My goodness, that was a ridiculous call. So again, they had calls didn't come at least intentional ground.
And don't forget, we got to remember.
How teams finish an NFL record. I'm not saying means nothing, but if a team has a slow start, do you think how they played in September really reflects how this team goes into the playoffs. The Rams, well, their ricket only says ten and seven. They finished I'm pretty sure like seven and one and the last eight games, and the Vikings were coming off of a knockout. They had a throwaway game Week eighteen against the Seahawks where they didn't play their starters. So the Rams have played as good as anyone for the second half of the year. So that's something to think about to It's a simple question. If you don't want to answer it on the phone, you could always hit us up on social media at Covino and Rich and you could check out our TikTok while it's still up for five more days. Again, the question simple, is it coincidence moments like this coincidence? Or do you believe in the all? Do it for Johnny? You know we have extra to play for.
And then the second part, I'm looking forward to hearing your guys' thoughts on this. When I'm a fan and other fans of quarterback needy teams look at free agency, what is Sam Darnold gonna go for now? Man?
Did he just end up in the bargain bin with with all the with all the DVDs at Best Fight?
Yeah, I wouldn't say bargain bin, but it's changed things.
He played himself out of twenty million, you know. You know, I'm sure you have a couple on the top of your mind, but it's a little different.
But you know, when a guy, I.
Think he played himself out of Minnesota for sure, That's what I think. Didn't JJ McCarthy tweet something cryptic too? Am I wrong about that? Did I fall for some bait online? Like he just nothing negative? Just like if they got JJ McCarthy, they're not going to overpay for a guy who came up short when they needed it. You know, he had a good season but didn't win and didn't really show up when it mattered most.
Is it all on him? Though?
That's the thing, It's not all on him. The Vikings played like ass. He got the sack sacked nine times, some of those he could not have gotten away from. Yeah, dude, that was ridiculous. And again the Rams did get some calls. They got some calls that that that was a straight up intentional grounding call that they reviewed and still got it wrong. So moving forward, all quarterbacks on their way down should just flick the wrist forward because he was not passing it to anybody.
He did have the fumble that led to it. Let's super really touchdown?
Yeah, that would have been ten ten rich That's that was a momentum killer right there for the Viking.
I saw the tweet that.
Did you see the Latin phrase he tweeted? Yeah, A more fati means love of fate. You know what what he's saying, boy, that he loves fatties.
No, he it's he metter. He likes fat chick. I thought he loved fat asses.
A more fat ass no, give me a more fati translated into like you said, love of one's fate is that JJ McCarthy subtle way being like Yo, I was patient and Sam Donald showed who he is the way.
Yeah, he injured.
This is not a time to send cryptic messages at all. A more fat that's his way of saying a more fatee is not that he wants more fat booties. It's his way of saying fate, Fate will have it that Sam Donald showed everyone that he's Sam Donald and the plan is back. I mean, I'm your guy, JJ McCarthy, McCarthy for quarterback. Yo.
The first comment underneath his post, the guy says, does anyone speak Spanish?
Ridiculous. We're gonna take your feedback.
Everybody's coming down on Donald and yeah, he stunk it up that line.
It really was the offensive offensive.
It really was nine sacks and listen, you could argue there were three or four times I'm like, get rid of the ball like he does, hang onto the ball a little longer than I'd like at times, but Stafford was under constant pressure. But as many people are discussing today on TV radio podcasts, what does this do to the future of Sam Darnold as a Viking as a member of another team, like the last two weeks, two bad performances in a row at the most inopportune time when you're fighting for the one seed, and then not only that, you don't even get past the wildcard round. When if you beat the Lions last week, you're sitting pretty think about that. The Lions win last week, right, they haven't even touched the football field again. The Vikings are out out the significs of that week eighteen Sunday night game, and of course Sam Donald lackluster on Sunday night and then over the weekend lackluster again. Did that take Sam Donald from multi year contract with Minnesota to hey, we're moving forward with JJ McCarthy.
Did that happen in two weeks?
It seems that way, And that's the feeling we have a day later. But you know, a bad game where he got sacked nine times and it wasn't completely his fault. That erases the great season he had. Man, how fickle we are as fans say, til you turn the break I go. They still were fourteen to three, Yeah, exactly, So how quickly we changed our mind on Sam Donald?
If that's the case.
And JJ McCarthy with that cryptic tweet, a more fatigue And as you said before, I mistranslated that. Cavino thought it said he just wanted more fat booty snow. I thought that was his New Year's resolution. A more No, that's you in Jersey. A more fatis Oh, that just means essentially love of one's fate. And now you're saying, is JJ McCarthy cryptic tweeting love of one's fate?
And Danny, you and I were discussing does.
That mean his fate of he will end up somewhere else or the fate of Sam Darnold collapse and it's my team again?
Yeah?
And I was thinking about it because a Vikings fan commented under his post and said, love of fate? Are you happy that our team lost? And then I was thinking about it. I forget which talking head it was on TV. I watched a lot of sports, but he was saying that he felt like JJ McCarthy is better than any QB in the twenty twenty five draft coming up. And we've heard a couple of people say that and think that. I don't know if I would agree with that, but JJ McCarthy's a hot commodity right now, right if you're.
You know you're I saw that same clip, Danny, So I wish we could give that talk, I know, right, But someone was saying, how we're so quick to want to assume that this year's draft class is where you need to go? Meanwhile, what if a guy got drafted mid round last year and he just happens to be better?
Well, and we've been speculating this on the network, We've heard it on TV. Like I said, so you're telling me j McCarthy hasn't heard all of this, and he hasn't seen how his own team has embraced Darnald.
So maybe that's where some of this is coming from. More shut up.
Phones or an update.
First, let's got the phones. Let's let's a little rapid fire. Then will he up dB? All right?
So the old do it for Johnny and your thoughts on Donald eight seven seven ninety nine one Fox.
Bob in New York, Hey Bob, Hey, guys, what's up? Hey?
Do it for Deamar?
The game? Right after Damorrow's the buff Footbills run back to kick off for a touchdown. Yeah, don't you see so many instances where that happens, or it's like, man, that was that was insane. I can't believe it. I just don't want to be a buzz kill. There's too many I don't want to be a buzzkill.
Don't you take anything away from Hamlin's story.
But that's a good call. Someone once told me that it's psychological meaning if your grandpappy died on My grandfather died on April twelfth. So there was a time in my life where everywhere I looked at the clock, at a street sign, anywhere, I just saw four to twelve.
I was like Grandpa.
And someone pointed out the reality is your brain will make you almost over acknowledge that how many times has something bad happened and someone hasn't run a kickoff back the next game?
Like we are we're just you know, taking.
The these rare moments and making it seem like it's fate what you want to believe?
Again, not trying to be a buzzkill.
Do you guys see New Jersey or New York license plates all the time out in California. But that's the same theory, right, Like it's I'm from Wisconsin, Sam's from Iowa. Like I feel like I will always notice a Wisconsin license plate and think, like, man, there's just a bunch of people, But I wouldn't recognize any of the other forty eight states.
I know if I see someone, if I see someone with a Syracuse University sweatshirt on or something out here, now.
I'm like, oh my god, Joos, how many times do I pass a gout with a Wisconsin.
Or Maryland because you're subconsciously looking for it said, We call it the awareness theory. It's like a word you never heard before, and then you hear it all the time. You see it on a billboard. It's a cherp theory. When when hold on like when I remember when my ex was pregnant, it seemed like everybody was pregnant those and everybody's pregnant. It's like you just become hyper aware of these things, so you're looking for something to hold on to. H A lot of times when people pass, they'll see coins or birds and like, that's my grandpa talking to me. Like you referenced Rich, I get it, because you want to believe those things. But faith is believing in something and I'm not saying I'm not saying don't have those belief in faith. I'm just saying one Mike chalking up to something else. And the chap theory, by the way, is years ago. Cavino, I'm such a dope. We were playing the song cherub rock Yeah by the Smashing Pumpkins, and I'm an idiot. I'm like, what's a cherub. He's like, well, like a little cupid thing like a By the way, Rich was a grown adult. He didn't know what a cherub was, and he's like, are you for like a vegetable? So he's like, Sam, do you know what a cherub is? Vegetable? Well, I know, like a cherubic face is like an angelic young looking face, and then yeah, cherub's like a cupid an angel face, an angel And the minute, you know, pointed out to me that a cherub is a little like angelic angel like angel every like for the next week or so of my life, everywhere I went I heard the word cheruffs saw something like.
It's the awareness and he jokes, you're an idiot, it's all you now you have one in your garden.
Yeah, we call it the awareness theory because you just become hyper aware of something that was always there, but now that you know it. You're like, oh my god, so your thoughts. We're gonna get to your phone calls next, So everybody, Bob, Jen, Eric, Dave, Mike, Manny, Moe, and Jack, We're gonna get to all your phone calls back there. After Dan Bayer's update, what up.
dB guys, David Montgomery listed as a full participant in practice for the Lions and estimated participation list if you will, if the Lions would have practiced today, but Dan Campbell had said that Montgomery will return from his knee injury and play in the playoffs in the divisional round, and that is this Saturday night against the Commander's on track to do so.
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Rich started ad libbing before you could get to the copy yesterday, Rich you said he'll read what's ever in front of him.
You should write something else. So I did that. Rich. Well see us in our clown makeup? What do you mean?
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Tuesdays Showtime Homes Trivia. Stick around for that. Any final thoughts on Sam Donald before we move on? Did he you know it's I hate to see a player. It's not that he bet on himself because he was on a one year deal. It's different. Sometimes a player bets on himself in a backfire. Sometimes the player bets on himself and it works out. This was not this case. This was a case where Sam Donald was given a shot and it looked like, oh wow, it's like Baker.
Mayfield all over again.
Are you gonna judge Sam Donald on two weeks after sixteen games? Unfortunately, as the Crystal Method said, that's the name of the game ye in which.
They were the two most important games games and they could have got.
The number one seed. You could have had the weekend off.
Like I said, that game had such significance that the Lions haven't even stepped back on the field yet. They're chilling Dan Campbell's you know, having a mohito with his feet up and flipplops waiting for h Washington. That was not how you wanted to go out after such a good season for the Vikings. And it's just so sad for the fans because they really had so much to cheer for it this year, only to end on that. No, that was the weakest note to end. That's being a Vikings fan though. If you have industry for sure, yeah, Skull, that's why they probably need Skull.
And I'm not talking to you, Scott our boss, but Vikings fans probably need twenty four to forty eight hours to let things kind of calm down before they really unleash their feelings because online I've been seeing Vikings fans saying let.
Them walk, just let them walk, or as they say, you know the old saying a two fate.
What's the saying.
And translation is not I love fat booties. It's what JJ McCarthy put on social media, which is to trust fate essentially.
Which is I love baby games.
Though cryptic messages is aside from teenage girls on TikTok, who else does that? JJ McCarthy, Cryptic messages after a major loss like that prohas that is blame dude, that is blame as hell. He's a kid, and yeah, it shows you how young they are. It really is lame, though, because you got so many moving parts, so many what IFFs with the Vikings. You just lost a heartbreaker after a great season and you tweet something cryptic? Wame be sure to drink your Horble team.
In a way rich. They were playing with house money.
We were one of the only shows I didn't hear on any other show him or her pick the Vikings to go to the playoff. It's true we did believe in some of it was how would your dad say at Covino?
Yeah, remember the day Shapiro was in here.
We were previewing the preseason which was about to start, and Rich and I were like, don't count out Donald. And of course Rich saw a lot of them in San Francisco and we said, he's gonna throw a lot that might lead to the playoffs. Didn't hear that anywhere else? We saw people predicting the Vikings to maybe have four wins. They called it a rebuilding year for the Vikings.
Yeah, they're sort of waiting around for JJ McCarthy to take over, and you know, Sam Donald had other plan.
So I wonder if the Vikings will have.
A short term memory or a long term memory on how he performed overall this season, and do you put more stock in the two most important games? Like is it you know, do you say weeks one through seventeen mean nothing compared to Week eighteen and wildcard weekend?
So we shall see. But you know, it's interesting.
I saw Nick Wright, who's over on the TV side of things, on Fox Sports one FS one. He had a really interesting take on how he finds nothing embarrassing about failed predictions. And I sort of love this take because he said, if you're gambling in Vegas, if you're an expert, like we're talking expert where people pay you for your picks, like top level, top tier guys selling their picks on social media. I'm so good at gambling. By my picks, those guys hit between fifty and sixty percent. No one in sports, radio, TV, gambling anywhere is ever going to go more than like sixty percent. So of course you're gonna have terrible takes along the way. It's just a matter of like do you try to hide them.
Or own them?
I mean it's also how you present them. You don't know anything, but they present them like they do. And I take great pride in being like, this is just my opinion.
I'm not.
Clairvoyant. You know, I can't predict the future.
I don't know.
I'm not Madame Ruby. And that's how some of those people come across, to be honest, the album, Yeah, like you know, you don't know, I see a bicycle. And then there's accountability that's often not taken after you just told me the day before that this was this was how it was going to be so And now I'm not calling out Nick right yet by any means. I'm just saying that's the culture.
I mean, some of the best, Colin stephen A.
You know, back in the day, how many times did Max Kellerman say that Tom Brady was done?
And he's a great dude.
So it's just it's interesting. I don't know if anyone really predicted other than you know, maybe a few. So we'll own it, Danny. We were one of the few people that I know that we were saying, don't care the Vikings.
And I'll give Colin a shout out. That's why a lot of people love his segment. Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong.
Yeah, take accountability because the truth is nobody knows, and that's the that's the reason we watched sports to see the unexpected, to see cool things happen. Trust me, I was the last couple of weeks. I'm like, hold his ice when it comes to picking. Last night, I was like, Vikings minus two two and a half.
That was a couple HUDs your college your last two college picks hit though. Yeah that is true. That was a good parlay. Thank you, Danny.
All right, Well, listen, Sam Donald, We'll see what happens. I'm sure a decision will be made sooner than later. In fact, our buddy Brandon one of the great editors here at Fox Sports Radio is a big Niners fan, and he's thinking that Rock Party. They're gonna get that deal done in the next week or so, and all the pieces won unfold.
It'll before you know, and then you know the other story.
I'm sure Dan Byer's keeping an eye on Dion Sanders meeting with Jerry Jones, like all these things. That's why I remember we said last year the NFL, even outside the games themselves, all summer, all spring, we're gonna be talking about this stuff.
Who would have thought three weeks ago that Sam Donald may get less money than Party.
Well, I mean a ton like significantly. Things.
Yeah, things changed quickly.
Now.
Our next discussion has to do with the playoffs, has to do with Justin Herbert. As I heard on the odcome Justin Sherbert, Justin Justin Sherbert and your thoughts on how do you know when someone stinks rich calls this the three year stink. I take it back to fighting. I often do, because you could lose an embarrassing fight like man, did that guy even show up?
Happens, and you.
Could lose a fight but still come out with a moral victory, like when Berlanga, Edgar Burlanga fought Canelo. Yeah, Canelo won, he beat him, but Burloanga showed how tough he was, so even in a loss, he got some respect and showed that he's got what it takes.
So you can lose with style.
I think we saw two different versions of losses over the weekend. Bo Nick's lost, but I think he had the moral victory of man, that guy's got some game.
Yo.
Denver's found their future. Yeah he lost, but you're like, man, they're not ready. But he's good though. Huh, he could battle. And then you see guys like Baker Mayfield, like man came up short, but dude, that guy fights. It's losing with fight, losing with style, losing with some pride. And then there's losses like Justin Herbert, And by no means are we to show to dump on Justin Herbert. But there's a different feeling in how he lost. It could be the expectations that are involved. But Rich is saying, nah, it's the three year stink. I'm not going on a Dave Portnoy two minute rant about how Justin Herbert stinks he's the worst ever. By the way, I'm glad you brought that up. I'm a Portnoy fan, right, He's a good dude. We used to be on the same channel with the guy. But guys like him can create a powerful narrative when really they're just talking about the money they lost. That's why he's angry about him. And he did the same thing with Donald. He lost I think eleven thousand on Sam Donald. So now Sam Donald's the worst ever, and then people run with that mindset. So that's also very unfair. Dude, just because you put money on this guy doesn't mean he's the worst. But there are guys that come with an expectation and then those guys that are a surprise.
It's uh, sort of like the bedroom oh oh.
Sometimes you're lucky enough to find yourself in an intimate situation with a girl that's gorgeous, Sam, you need to pull up some like sexy music or something you need to have, like a saxophone solo on standby, sometimes.
Sort of a leptown. You're like, oh, I thought that'd be better.
And then there's times you find yourself with a girl that you connect with but you might not be the most attractive, but then that was way better.
Than I thought.
It's all about the expectations going in and pun intended and going into every season. There's a couple quarterbacks that were waiting. We're just waiting for that for to click. And I'll give you two of them, justin Herbert and Trevor Lawrence. Those are the number that's number one and number two. Is there gonna come a point where we consider either one of these just maybe not what we thought. And if you want to stick to your own theory, three years Trevor Lawrence is at four years. Maybe had a few playoff games, right, but he's at that level. He's the first guy that comes to mind, too rich and it does come with expectations. So what do you guys think about assessing a quarterback?
Right?
Some people have a longer shelf life, more opportunities, more chances than others. But at what point do you just say, yeah, man, they're good, but they're they're not living up to their expectations and they can't seem to win when it matters. I mean, Herbert's numbers are great in the regular season, right, I mean fantastic. In fact, this year his best statistical year. But five years now, he's a young man in life. I'm thinking, can you really start assessing Because we've talked the other day about how with coach, it's very fair for a coach for a radio show, TV show, any any thing in the creative space or performance space, it's fair to say three years is a fair amount of time to be like, all right, this show never really picked up steam. This coach never revamped the program, this show never got ratings. Like, especially in a world where we live in a win now culture, results, we want results immediately, you know, three years is plenty. And it's also like wow, it's also shocking to see how some people get more of a chance than others, right, because how.
Many people would have been out already.
I also don't want to say that that works for everyone because Philip Rivers, Dan Marino, there have been great quarterbacks, but they also played in a different time, and that's true. We live it a We gave those guys more of a chance to develop, and I think we should give these dudes more of a chance to develop. But they seem to be the exception here. As you said, we live in a to quote the comedian Ronnie Chen, we live in a prime now world where you order something, it's almost not good enough. Sometimes, Oh it's gonna be here in today orself.
Day or so prime.
Now I want it, now, I want but wait, my quarterbacks are rookie. There were people that were like Caleb Williams Chicago, we.
Ready to win.
Now, slow downe he was hanging at USC three months. Look at Jayden Daniels, look at Bonicks. You do see guys they're like yo, they came to ball from the get go. So it does give you this false expectation that everybody could bring it that way, and those guys that didn't even get a chance at the beginning, the Aaron Rodgers of the world. And then you say, how many times I know it's old. Now this is the nineties. You know Peyton Manning stunk his first year. Yeah, but you know what, it's not nineteen ninety eight anymore.
Yeah.
Joe Burrow, you know, he's a guy that's delivering on his expectations. So when you talk about guys like Trevor Lawrence and Justin Herbert and young dudes around the NFL, Kyler Murray, when does the point come where you could assess that, hey, you know what, maybe they're not what we thought or Danny g Do. You just have to accept that sometimes you have a franchise guy, he'll be your quarterback for a decade, but you just never get there. Because Bernie Cozar, Dan Marino, I'm just naming Philip Rivers. There have been guys throughout our life that were good, it just never won.
I think inside the building, in your facility, you know the guys who are working very, very hard during the offseason to get better because possible MVP for this season. Josh Allen, he had a bad first two seasons there in Buffalo. I'm sure they're happy that they were patient with him. His third season he broke out with thirty seven touchdowns. But don't forget his rookie year. He had ten and twelve with twelve picks, twenty and nine a second year, and I remember hearing the stories that he was working so hard to improve his accuracy and get better. In that third season, it took.
For the stories about Josh Allen. You ain't kidding that.
Sometimes you under well, I mean, how much work could you really put in to improve your accuracy?
Well, guess what, look at Josh Allen.
There there were times where the Magic Johnson I heard the criticism free throws right, there were certain layers of a guy's game, and you, if you have the ability to work as hard as some of these elite athletes, you can improve a part of your absolutely no doubt. No, I'm not married to the three years, by the way, So if anyone Dan Bayer, Danny g if you have another thought, like, I'm going to add this to the list. Rich and I have a few questions that come to mind. One of them is, like a painter, How does that painter know when the painting is done? How does he really know when you're saving someone's life? How do you know a few more prompts wouldn't have saved it? How do you know he was done? How do you know he's dead for real?
For real?
How do you know what a song that's the cut? How do you know, yeah, maybe a few more high hats wouldn't have made it better a couple more. How do you know if this quarterback stinks or not? When you know he has all the potential in the world, meaning you know, justin Herbert doesn't stink, but he's not winning when it matters. But then damn by, do you remember watching Last Dance, Like we all did, like multiple times during COVID. Do you remember until Michael Jordan won an NBA title, the narratives started to become can Michael Jordan not win?
Yeah? Can he not?
So? At one point in time, Yeah, at one point in our lifetime, there was a narrative floating around.
I don't know if Michael Jordan could finish.
So we grew up in a time in Canduke win the Big One. Yeah, they would go to the final four and they would always lose, or it felt like they would always lose. But they were there, Yeah, a bunch of times and fell short and then they break through in ninety one and the rest is history. Yeah, there's I would say to answer your question, you know when you know, and you know when. And that's what I think hit with Donald last night is you know, you had all these other questions and everything, but you just know. And I don't think we do know what justin Herbert just yet, but you know when you know.
Dan, you know.
It's interesting Kavino and I. You could argue it's a crutch of ours, but I'm fine with it. I feel like there's so many commonalities with life and relationships because I feel like, there's two things I feel like I know, and it's relationships and sports.
Oh and fake boops.
I could tell you what type they are if they're real fake that is another story, which is good at that? Yeah, can't stump this guy or he used to.
Be good at them. I'm the swami.
I feel like he's losing it a little bit. Stop it gummy bear material anyway, So in a relationship, there are people you could date for years and you're still sort of like, I don't know, should I marry this girl?
Is she the one?
And then there's other times I met my wife. I dated a plethora of women that I was unsure of. I met my wife. Say, I met my wife. We were engaged within a year. It's she was my she was my Josh Allen.
You know, you just knew, No, she was my you know, what was your Jade Daniels. She was my Jaden Daniels. I was like, I just know.
So that's what you were getting at hun d B Like, Yeah, it's that feeling of when you know you know.
And I think that's the tough part about last night for the Sam Donald supporters, as I felt that you're like, nah, they lost to two teams this year they had four total losses, twice to the Lions, twice to the Rams.
And and by the way, I do want to make this clear too, No one's like not rooting for Justin Herbert to be the guy he's supposed to be, you know, but you give people so many chances. It's look, three years, there's a lot in the NFL. But you know what nowadays, I made the silly analogy that if you know right away, you know my wife, she was my Jaden Daniels I knew right away, Danny G said, Josh Allen took a couple of years to get there. How many times you met someone they're like, my wife is my best friend. We've been together twenty years. You know, we were friends for years before we got romantic. That there's different ways as to get there.
Well, Dan, you know, Danny called the the third season the breakout year. But when he said he threw twenty and nine his second year, that tells you something that's not fifteen and fourteen. Yeah, Like there's like, okay, maybe he's on the track, maybe things have turned around, and then you end up taking off and I don't I don't think three years is enough. And I know Sam Donald hasn't been in the greatest of situations. But yeah, I know last night was tough. It's not entirely his fault either, but I just definitely know that offensive line didn't help him. But the last two weeks he looked like the Sam Donald in New York that was seeing ghosts.
Sure, yeah, it looked like he lost all his confidence. So Rich is calling it the potential three year stink. Maybe it's four year stink by how many chances do you get in the NFL? And poor Poort justin Herbert Trevor Lawrence and Sam Donald's fresh on the mind. So it is time for a little Showtime Mahomes Trivia.
Let's go the mostly lovable Patrick Mahomes.
Truth is, I want everybody to love me, not just the reps.
It's time for some NFL trivia. I'm here, I'm here, Yes, we know you're here.
All right, Patrick Mahomes here to play Showtime Homes Trivia.
All right, f'sr Security walking our broke Patrick into the main studio.
Papa, Yeah, you're feeling good.
Three kids, Congratulations and I'm going for the three Pete. Let's go. Three is your magic number right now right? What was the wait? Wait remember offhand now.
I forget, but her name's Golden Mahomes, which is also one of my bedroom moves in the early two thousands.
Yeah, son't picture of you. Pomeon are like a football Golden Mahomes, let me tell you.
And by the way, Stafford got a Golden Mahomes call last night. That was definitely intentional grounding.
All right. You know what what call bothered you more?
That or when the packers clearly recovered the ball, That's what I call weak sausage.
Put some ketchup on that. Yeah, that was were twelve terrible calls.
Don't ask that I like him when he worked for Yeah, I was gonna say, don't ask him to critique his boys there, Yeah, that was my boy. We're gonna meet the contestants. Twenty four time winner Rich Davis right over there, seventeen time winner Dan Bayer, Hello and looking to win a seeing our stainless steel swiggy on our studio lines, buyer, I'll use you for this. Would you love to travel to man n A R R A g A N s e t T against d Island?
Yes, thank you.
Cape Coral Florida, Glendale, Arizona, Portland, Maine, Denver, Colorado or Dubuque, Iowa.
Well, we have to go to.
Rhode Island after the beginning, right, Yeah?
Andy, Andy, what's up? Hey? Hey, I had to take you down my home. Yeah, all right, he's a one time loser. We're looking to win here.
I must have gone to Rhode Island before and I did realize it.
All right.
Here are the rules for Showtime Mahomes NFL trivia. The first contestant with two correct answers is the champ. If there's a tie, we have a tie breaker question. Your name is your buzzer, but you do have to wait until all three possible answers are read. If there's two wrong answers in a row, we move on to the next question.
Are you ready? Yeah, let's get it out, all right, Patrick Mahomes.
I'm here what active QB has the second most career passing yards behind the Enigma Aaron Rodgers, A, Joe Flacco, B Matt Stafford or c Russell Wilson.
Andy, Andy, I'm gonna go with Matt Staffer. Yes, yeah, Pam, get in many yards?
That guy piled up like I would say meaningless second half yards when he was a lion.
My goodness, Andy, halfway to a swiggy as we moved around two?
All right, round two? What was I once quote say quoted saying about Andy Reid? A coach Read has made it possible for me to unlock my NFL potential. B co Tread is a great teacher. He understands how people learn. Or ce co Treat is great. But when he tags along at one of the pref dinners that I host, it gets really expensive.
Dan to go, b Yes, all right, co Treat's a great teacher. He understands how people learn.
All right, So Andy and Bayer both on the board as we moved around three.
All right, I'm here cause you know on Rich what's up? Best show on the radio. That's what I'm saying. Thank you, Patrick.
He sounds like a paid guest.
I'd love an amazing book for the kindergarteners, which former player wrote, the children's book Little t Learns to Share a Lawrence Taylor, B.
Todd Gurley or C. Trell Owens. Rich and Rich did tell Owens right, then you are correct to boom three way tie.
I love a good three way.
Let's go.
And if agreed, clearly a C and R fan there on the phone, Andy Bayer Rich, all on the line, all on the board, as we move to round number four.
All right, Round four? Which team holds the twenty six game record for the longest losing streak in the modern NFL era A the Cleveland Browns, B the Detroit Lions, or C the Tampa Bay Bucks.
Dan Buyer for the win. Jeez, you're not quick enough, Andy Weave. We gave you a beat, Andy, Tampa Bay, Yes.
By Bay Tampa Bay Bucks seventy six to seventy seven again hold the twenty six game record for longest losing streak.
Congratulations, that is eighteenth. That's the eighteenth win for Buyer and Andy.
We appreciate somebody. I got one for you, Andy. Guys building a clubhouse out of Sweekye thank you for listening there in Rhode Island. Be appreciate YEA.
They all right, guys, money on me over the Texans or what?
Nope?
I mean yeah, you're not very good against the spread, Patrick, Come on.
Man, it's been a good week.
Golden Mahomes.
Golden Mahomes seven and a half eight points is the current Draftking spread.
Can I say one thing?
Because Andy was magnificent, truly magnificent.
Andy Reid. I agree, Will.
I want weighted scoring on Swiggy's I know I'm bringing up this. You have not, but when you bring it to the show, like there is a responsibility, Like we're solely basing it on wins and knowledge, but when you bring it on the show, it adds so much to it.
He had two singers.
Yes, he had personality, and I know they're rare, but to just base it on the win, I'm thinking good personality, get one right?
Yeah, I agree. I like that.
Andy, go ahead, call back and I will get you on the mailing list first one of the new midnight black Swiggies.
I agree. You know what, damn by a good call?
Now you get like five Andy's calling up and I'm here one. All right, guys, I got a guy practice Baturday. I don't know, but I have a new daughter and a game of prepare for so it's been fun.
Guys, go back to your end all right later.
Guys keep saying it, keeps saying it, especially that Covino guy. Yeah, okay, man, you know of the Home is always so hyped every time he comes back you know.
I also just said that if a caller calls in that if they bring the energy, they should also get a switch.
You know, I agree, because you have too many? What are you building a raft?
Yeah?
Yeah, I think honestly, Yeah, Andy call back, you were great, you win. I actually like that rule. Yeah, if you win, you get one. But if you were the man and you battled, you.
Showed up, if you get one, right, like, you can't just be stunked r Yeah.
Yeah, it can't be for everybody, but I like that.
I like it.
You know, of all the of all the games this weekend, there's only one that's like, I mean, Philly six and a half, but they're all touchdown or more points spread differentials. The only game that Vegas has no clue on is Baltimore Buffalo Ravens Bills. That is flipped from Ravens minus one to Buffalo minus one, two, even two, Ravens minus one to baltim and now it's back to Baltimore minus one. So essentially that game is a who on Earth knows pick them essentially, And the other three games were expected to see Lions Eagles Chiefs versus the winner of that, and that goes along with Cavino, your narrative of we could talk all year about things, but it ends.
Up where we thought it would end up, the usual suspects.
I mean, the whole AFC really is gonna come down to those three teams, Ravens, Buffalo and Texans. I'm sorry, Chiefs, unless the Texans pull them upset. There is rumors about a Canelo fight. Oh they're saying, here's the rumor there Canelo Crawford in September. Terrence Crawford Canelo. That is gonna be a massive fight if that happens in September. I'm hoping that we're there too, hoping we gotta be there. And the other updates that Fury retired this week. So Tyson Fury retired, that's your fight up.
Until some Saudi guys like, here's fifty million dollars. Yeah.
Talking about taking the show on the road, we love doing the Graduate Hotel broadcast. We have a few of those coming up in twenty twenty five. We don't have full details yet, but I did want to throw it out there for our Fox Sports Radio you can plant a little seed. We'm wanna plant the little seed for the Fox Sports Radio people and Ioa, Sam and Danny g hearing this for the first time. In June, Cavino and I are going to officially have our twentieth anniversary party as a show where we're gonna work out the details. But the dates are June twentieth to the twenty second of Friday to a Sunday, June twentieth to June twenty second, So the big party will be on the twenty first. If you can only come for one night, but everybody's invited, the more the merrier, so block out that weekend. But like details on events, venue, broadcast, party, you know, all those things to be announced, TBA to be determined.
I read all about this on Facebook from your Guys' is carl super fan page?
Hell you yeah, I'm sorry with an entire first, there's just so.
Many fans on there that were, like, I thought this would never happen. That's okay.
When Kavino was going to become a dad, I read about it on a blog online before he told me.
I saw a post yesterday, Rich that says you're an a whole.
You know someone did do that, and they did it anonymously. At least if you're going to say I'm an a hole. Say it to my face, bro, So I.
Don't think they call you an a I think it was the same.
Are they call you a d Yeah, it's similar thought. Trust me, Rich is actually a nice dude.
I'm going to tell you the Gottlieb if he's going to post about Rich, at least to it. So June twentieth to the twenty second, and I would say, I'm Danny g you know, we'd make sure you guys are there for sure, a little Vegas weekend it canveno on Rich celebration.
Just mark that takedown again. No details yet and of.
Course a bunch of fun Fox Sports Radio broadcast between now and then. But June twentieth to the twenty second, we're gonna celebrate twenty years. Broadcast, drinks, food, a little of everything. So Vegas, Baby Vegas, Vegas, and make it happen now before you get out of here today, I didn't want to bring up Dion Sanders and I said this to you off the air, Coveno and we were talking about how nostalgia's a hell of a drunk.
I know, I know.
Rick James said, Cocaine's a hell of a drug. I'm a nostalgia is hell of a drunk. We love to reminisce about the glory days of our teams. Dude, we could sing commercials from my childhood but can't remember what we ate yesterday. Yeah, get your ski shined up, Grab a stick of juicy fruit.
The taste is going to move, y'all. Take a sniff it. Those lyrics are weird. The taste is Guy Movien.
You pop it in your mom jusey frut is going what I mean? But what you eat last night? You're like, what did I have?
Turkey? Because we love nostalgia.
And sports nostalgia is one of the strongest types of nostalgia. You go to a stadium where the team hasn't won a championship in a while. I'll be the first to admit as a Mets fan. You go to City Field back in the day, say stadium, we're still talking about Gary Carter's perm and keithr.
Nanda as mustache.
Because if your team has no recent glory, you will always talk.
Jets fans will talking about Joe Namath still.
You know, like you know, when you think about your team and the glory days, you know, Minnesota Twins fans. They're talking about the late great Kirby Puckin and you know Dan Gladden's mullet. We always loved the nostalgia and the Cowboys are one of those teams that we love to think, you know, America's team, you know, settled down, but they have not won since many of us were in Greade school. Since for they they haven't been playoff relevant, in super Bowl relevant since the nineties, before smartphones, before you were when you were dialing up with Aoakan silver tabs, you were rocking Carpenter jeans, the Bob Vila specials.
I might have still cacis.
You were rare and yeah, you wearing your Doc Martin's and you had a mushroom aircut. Truth be told, I might have had braces when they believe it. So when you think of it that way, is the Dean Sanders thing a play at nostalgia or is it the real deal? Because I joked with Camino that it's you know, a lot of teams will have their first base coach and their bench coach like be former fan favorite players. Primetime's proved themselves in Colorado. But is that a nostalgia pick or is that well it's a little of both. We said it yesterday, but Ben Maller, the Great Ben Maller also said it, which is always fun to see that we're on the same train track of thought. It's just a good match, America's team, high profile team, prime time coach. It's just it just seems like it would fit, you know, he can handle that. Maybe there'll be more developments before tomorrow. But something to think about primetime Dallas right, fit your thoughts. We'll get to that tomorrow. Until then, have a great night a riba there you maybe in the promised goodbye guys,