This is an interview special with New York Times bestselling author Elise Loehnen about her new book 'On Our Best Behaviour: The Price Women Pay to Be good'.

Elise is a writer, editor, and the host of Pulling The Thread, a podcast focused on pulling apart the stories we tell about who we are—and then putting those threads back together.

Bri and Elise discuss: sloth and burnout; envy and scarcity mindset; and gluttony versus a sad state of vigilance.