"The younger we are when things happen to us and the more serious they are, the stronger the feelings are and the more often those feelings show up.”

Those are the words of therapist and author Kimberly Miller, one of the kindest and most genuine people I have ever met.

Kim’s work has profoundly shaped not only this podcast, but also my own sobriety journey and ministry. Her book Boundaries for Your Soul—which she co-authored with Dr. Alison Cook (who I've also interviewed)—is one of the most important books I’ve ever read. It shaped the way I think about addiction, healing, sanctification, and the hidden parts of ourselves we often spend years trying to avoid—and gave me words to describe it. There are concepts and phrases in this episode that have become foundational to the work I now do in recovery ministry and discipleship.

In this deeply thoughtful and vulnerable conversation, Kim talks about Internal Family Systems (IFS), parts work, trauma, addiction, sanctification, and what it means to invite Jesus into the hidden places of our souls. We explore why so many Christians struggle to understand their own reactions, compulsions, anxieties, and addictions—and why healing requires more than behavior modification.

Kim explains how wounded “parts” of ourselves can become stuck in time, carrying shame, fear, loneliness, and pain from earlier experiences. She also unpacks the difference between “manager” parts, “firefighter” parts, and “exiles,” and why curiosity—not shame—is often the first step toward real transformation.

But one of the most unexpectedly powerful moments in the episode comes when Kim briefly shares about a season during COVID when she began noticing some uncomfortable patterns in her own life related to alcohol, stress, and coping. The honesty in that moment is striking—not because of scandal or sensationalism, but because it quietly reminds us that no one is immune from developing unhealthy ways of managing pain, exhaustion, loneliness, or emotional discomfort. Even therapists. Even ministry leaders. Even deeply mature Christians.

Finally, we wrestle with a profound theological question: If we truly heal, why can’t some of us return to drinking casually? Is that evidence we haven’t done enough work? Or is it simply part of living in a fallen world with particular weaknesses and predispositions? Kim’s answer is nuanced, compassionate, and deeply grounded in both psychology and Christian faith.

This episode is about opening the locked rooms of our hearts and allowing Jesus into the places we’ve spent years trying to avoid.

Get Boundaries for Your Soul
Visit Kim's website
Follow Kim on Instagram: @kimberlyjunemillerlmft
Listen to my interview with her co-author, Dr. Alison Cook
Get Gospel-centered addiction recovery resources and help: veritasrecovery.org
Follow me: @jonseidl
Order my new book, Confessions of a Christian Alcoholic

We explore: 

— Why "parts work" and Internal Family Systems is so important in recovery conversations
— How wounded parts of ourselves can become “stuck in time” carrying shame, fear, loneliness, and pain from earlier experiences
— The difference between “manager,” “firefighter,” and “exile” parts of the soul
— Why curiosity and compassion are more transformative than shame and self-condemnation
— What it means to invite Jesus into the hidden and wounded places within us
— Why many Christians still have parts of themselves that have never fully encountered the healing presence of Christ
— How addiction and compulsive behaviors are often connected to escapism and emotional avoidance
— Kimberly’s surprisingly honest reflections about stress, coping, and recognizing unhealthy drinking patterns in her own life during COVID
— The relationship between childhood wounds, emotional triggers, and adult behaviors
— Why sobriety alone is not the same thing as healing or sanctification
— How Christian community, prayer, and self-awareness can become tools for deeper healing
— Whether some struggles and predispositions are simply part of living in a fallen world until final restoration

 

"The younger we are when things happen to us and the more serious they are, the stronger the feelings are and the more often those feelings show up.&rdquo;
Those are the words of therapist and author Kimberly Miller, one of the kindest and most genuine people I have ever met.
Kim&rsquo;s work has profoundly shaped not only this podcast, but also my own sobriety journey and ministry. Her book <a href="https://amzn.to/42HLens">Boundaries for Your Soul</a>&mdash;which she co-authored with Dr. Alison Cook (who I've also interviewed)&mdash;is one of the most important books I&rsquo;ve ever read. It shaped the way I think about addiction, healing, sanctification, and the hidden parts of ourselves we often spend years trying to avoid&mdash;and gave me words to describe it. There are concepts and phrases in this episode that have become foundational to the work I now do in recovery ministry and discipleship.
In this deeply thoughtful and vulnerable conversation, Kim talks about Internal Family Systems (IFS), parts work, trauma, addiction, sanctification, and what it means to invite Jesus into the hidden places of our souls. We explore why so many Christians struggle to understand their own reactions, compulsions, anxieties, and addictions&mdash;and why healing requires more than behavior modification.
Kim explains how wounded &ldquo;parts&rdquo; of ourselves can become stuck in time, carrying shame, fear, loneliness, and pain from earlier experiences. She also unpacks the difference between &ldquo;manager&rdquo; parts, &ldquo;firefighter&rdquo; parts, and &ldquo;exiles,&rdquo; and why curiosity&mdash;not shame&mdash;is often the first step toward real transformation.
But one of the most unexpectedly powerful moments in the episode comes when Kim briefly shares about a season during COVID when she began noticing some uncomfortable patterns in her own life related to alcohol, stress, and coping. The honesty in that moment is striking&mdash;not because of scandal or sensationalism, but because it quietly reminds us that no one is immune from developing unhealthy ways of managing pain, exhaustion, loneliness, or emotional discomfort. Even therapists. Even ministry leaders. Even deeply mature Christians.
Finally, we wrestle with a profound theological question: If we truly heal, why can&rsquo;t some of us return to drinking casually? Is that evidence we haven&rsquo;t done enough work? Or is it simply part of living in a fallen world with particular weaknesses and predispositions? Kim&rsquo;s answer is nuanced, compassionate, and deeply grounded in both psychology and Christian faith.
This episode is about opening the locked rooms of our hearts and allowing Jesus into the places we&rsquo;ve spent years trying to avoid.
Get <a href="tps://amzn.to/42HLens">Boundaries for Your Soul</a> Visit Kim's <a href="https://www.kimberlyjunemiller.com">website</a> Follow Kim on Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/kimberlyjunemillerlmft/">@kimberlyjunemillerlmft</a> Listen to <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/confessions-of-a-christian-alcoholic-with-jon-seidl/id1813869195?i=1000724719759">my interview with her co-author, Dr. Alison Cook</a> Get Gospel-centered addiction recovery resources and help: <a href="https://www.veritasrecovery.org">veritasrecovery.org</a> Follow me: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/jonseidl/">@jonseidl</a> Order my new book,&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/4opuOt">Confessions of a Christian Alcoholic</a>
We explore: 
&mdash; Why "parts work" and Internal Family Systems is so important in recovery conversations &mdash; How wounded parts of ourselves can become &ldquo;stuck in time&rdquo; carrying shame, fear, loneliness, and pain from earlier experiences &mdash; The difference between &ldquo;manager,&rdquo; &ldquo;firefighter,&rdquo; and &ldquo;exile&rdquo; parts of the soul &mdash; Why curiosity and compassion are more transformative than shame and self-condemnation &mdash; What it means to invite Jesus into the hidden and wounded places within us &mdash; Why many Christians still have parts of themselves that have never fully encountered the healing presence of Christ &mdash; How addiction and compulsive behaviors are often connected to escapism and emotional avoidance &mdash; Kimberly&rsquo;s surprisingly honest reflections about stress, coping, and recognizing unhealthy drinking patterns in her own life during COVID &mdash; The relationship between childhood wounds, emotional triggers, and adult behaviors &mdash; Why sobriety alone is not the same thing as healing or sanctification &mdash; How Christian community, prayer, and self-awareness can become tools for deeper healing &mdash; Whether some struggles and predispositions are simply part of living in a fallen world until final restoration
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Jon Seidl is the bestselling Christian author who became an alcoholic, not the other way around. It's usually the other way around. Or is it? "Confessions of a Christian alcoholic" (based on the book by the same title) is all about real stories, radical vulnerability, and remarkable comebacks of people who have struggled with alcoholism and addictions of all sorts. The show features interviews with fellow addicts and alcoholics as well as professionals in the fields of trauma, faith, and addiction recovery. Because let's be honest, we're all addicted to something. "Confessions" is a place for the desperate, the downtrodden, the destitute, and especially, the drunk. But it's also a place of hope and healing. Jon found sobriety after decades of struggling, but more importantly than finding sobriety, he found Jesus. In every episode, he gets radically vulnerable as he explores what it looks like to be on this journey of messy sanctification. Visit christianalcoholic.com for more resources.

Jon Seidl is the bestselling Christian author who became an alcoholic, not the other way around. It's usually the other way around. Or is it? "Confessions of a Christian alcoholic" (based on the book by the same title) is all about real stories, radical vulnerability, and remarkable comebacks of people who have struggled with alcoholism and addictions of all sorts. The show features interviews with fellow addicts and alcoholics as well as professionals in the fields of trauma, faith, and addiction recovery. Because let's be honest, we're all addicted to something. "Confessions" is a place for the desperate, the downtrodden, the destitute, and especially, the drunk. But it's also a place of hope and healing. Jon found sobriety after decades of struggling, but more importantly than finding sobriety, he found Jesus. In every episode, he gets radically vulnerable as he explores what it looks like to be on this journey of messy sanctification. Visit <a href="http://christianalcoholic.com/" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=http://christianalcoholic.com&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1747239325727000&amp;usg=AOvVaw1G-752Q-1dyjq6GN5gt7xw">christianalcoholic.com</a> for more resources.

Jon Seidl is the bestselling Christian author who became an alcoholic, not the other way around. It's usually the other way around. Or is it? "Confessions of a Christian Alcoholic" is all about real stories, radical vulnerability, and remarkable comebacks of people who have struggled with alcoholism and addictions of all sorts.

Confessions of a Christian Alcoholic with Jon Seidl

The Parts of You That Still Need Jesus: Trauma, Healing, and IFS with Kimberly Miller

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