“There are really only two kinds of people in this world—people in recovery who know they are, and people in recovery who think they're not.”

Tullian Tchividjian was on top of the Christian world. A bestselling author, megachurch pastor, sought-after speaker—and yes, the grandson of Billy Graham. Then everything imploded. 

After a very public affair and ministry collapse, Tullian disappeared from the spotlight. But it was in that wilderness season that he encountered something deeper than the shame that threatened to kill him and the people that tried to bury him: the radical, scandalous grace of God.

In this vulnerable, raw, and hope-filled episode, Tullian talks about what it’s like to fall hard and yet be caught by Jesus. He opens up about his story, shame, addiction, recovery (even for those not struggling with substances), the church's response to sanctification, and what happens when you build your life on performance. This is an episode about honesty, identity, and why real Christianity might look more like a 12-step meeting than a church service.

If you've ever wrestled with shame, questioned your standing with God, or wondered if there's grace for "someone like you," this episode is for you.

We explore:

—How Tullian went from prodigal to pastor to pariah
—Why the church often runs from grace instead of toward it
—The difference between guilt and shame—and why identity matters
—Why grace isn't soft on sin but the only real power to change
—What radical vulnerability looks like in practice
—Why churches should look more like recovery meetings
—The lifelong nature of recovery, even without substance addiction
—How grace makes us honest, and law keeps us hiding
—Why sanctification isn’t about climbing higher but falling deeper into grace
—The gift of being "uncancellable" through confession and grace

Book: Carnage and Grace

Website: tullian.net

Instagram: @tulliantch

Church: The Sanctuary

Follow Jon: @jonseidl

Order the new book, Confessions of a Christian Alcoholic: www.christianalcoholic.com.

Watch this episode and get daily motivation: www.theveritasdaily.com

&ldquo;There are really only two kinds of people in this world&mdash;people in recovery who know they are, and people in recovery who think they're not.&rdquo;
Tullian Tchividjian was on top of the Christian world. A bestselling author, megachurch pastor, sought-after speaker&mdash;and yes, the grandson of Billy Graham. Then everything imploded.&nbsp;
After a very public affair and ministry collapse, Tullian disappeared from the spotlight. But it was in that wilderness season that he encountered something deeper than the shame that threatened to kill him and the people that tried to bury him: the radical, scandalous grace of God.
In this vulnerable, raw, and hope-filled episode, Tullian talks about what it&rsquo;s like to fall hard and yet be caught by Jesus. He opens up about his story, shame, addiction, recovery (even for those not struggling with substances), the church's response to sanctification, and what happens when you build your life on performance. This is an episode about honesty, identity, and why real Christianity might look more like a 12-step meeting than a church service.
If you've ever wrestled with shame, questioned your standing with God, or wondered if there's grace for "someone like you," this episode is for you.
We explore:
&mdash;How Tullian went from prodigal to pastor to pariah &mdash;Why the church often runs from grace instead of toward it &mdash;The difference between guilt and shame&mdash;and why identity matters &mdash;Why grace isn't soft on sin but the only real power to change &mdash;What radical vulnerability looks like in practice &mdash;Why churches should look more like recovery meetings &mdash;The lifelong nature of recovery, even without substance addiction &mdash;How grace makes us honest, and law keeps us hiding &mdash;Why sanctification isn&rsquo;t about climbing higher but falling deeper into grace &mdash;The gift of being "uncancellable" through confession and grace
Book: <a href="https://amzn.to/3UPtUZJ">Carnage and Grace</a>
Website: <a href="https://www.tullian.net">tullian.net</a>
Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/tulliantch/" data-start="2647" data-end="2699">@tulliantch</a>
Church: <a href="https://www.thesanctuaryjupiter.com" data-start="2712" data-end="2772">The Sanctuary</a>
Follow Jon: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/jonseidl/">@jonseidl</a>
Order the new book,&nbsp;Confessions of a Christian Alcoholic:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.christianalcoholic.com">www.christianalcoholic.com</a>.
Watch this episode and get daily motivation: <a href="https://www.theveritasdaily.com/">www.theveritasdaily.com</a>

Jon Seidl is the bestselling Christian author who became an alcoholic, not the other way around. It's usually the other way around. Or is it? "Confessions of a Christian alcoholic" (based on the book by the same title) is all about real stories, radical vulnerability, and remarkable comebacks of people who have struggled with alcoholism and addictions of all sorts. The show features interviews with fellow addicts and alcoholics as well as professionals in the fields of trauma, faith, and addiction recovery. Because let's be honest, we're all addicted to something. "Confessions" is a place for the desperate, the downtrodden, the destitute, and especially, the drunk. But it's also a place of hope and healing. Jon found sobriety after decades of struggling, but more importantly than finding sobriety, he found Jesus. In every episode, he gets radically vulnerable as he explores what it looks like to be on this journey of messy sanctification. Visit christianalcoholic.com for more resources.

Jon Seidl is the bestselling Christian author who became an alcoholic, not the other way around. It's usually the other way around. Or is it? "Confessions of a Christian alcoholic" (based on the book by the same title) is all about real stories, radical vulnerability, and remarkable comebacks of people who have struggled with alcoholism and addictions of all sorts. The show features interviews with fellow addicts and alcoholics as well as professionals in the fields of trauma, faith, and addiction recovery. Because let's be honest, we're all addicted to something. "Confessions" is a place for the desperate, the downtrodden, the destitute, and especially, the drunk. But it's also a place of hope and healing. Jon found sobriety after decades of struggling, but more importantly than finding sobriety, he found Jesus. In every episode, he gets radically vulnerable as he explores what it looks like to be on this journey of messy sanctification. Visit <a href="http://christianalcoholic.com/" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=http://christianalcoholic.com&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1747239325727000&amp;usg=AOvVaw1G-752Q-1dyjq6GN5gt7xw">christianalcoholic.com</a> for more resources.

Jon Seidl is the bestselling Christian author who became an alcoholic, not the other way around. It's usually the other way around. Or is it? "Confessions of a Christian Alcoholic" is all about real stories, radical vulnerability, and remarkable comebacks of people who have struggled with alcoholism and addictions of all sorts.