What do you do when you love someone who won't stop drinking or give up their addiction? Dr. Brenda Fann Katula knows that frustration well. She understood alcohol addiction, withdrawal, and relapse. But none of that could fix her husband. 

In Part 2 of this two-part interview, Brenda takes us through the final stage of her former husband's destructive behavior. From an intervention, to hallucinations, to putting on a front and doing what she could to protect her kids.

But more important than the story, she explains her deepest crisis from this period: her spiritual one. Angry that God hadn’t healed her husband or restored their family, Brenda stopped praying personal prayers and tried to solve everything herself—until exhaustion forced her to surrender. She eventually recognized, though, that her prayers had an interesting through line: they all focused almost entirely on changing her husband rather than asking God for the healing, strength, and wisdom she needed.

We talk about her faith, her frustration, and her final surrender. 

We also discuss boundaries, gaslighting, unanswered prayer, repeated forgiveness, identity in Christ, and the thing her husband left behind that went from a painful reminder to a powerful retreat.

This important interview is crucial for friends and family members looking for hope.

Listen to Part 1 here.
Follow Brenda on Instagram: @brendafannkatula
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Get Caroline Beidler's book for loved ones, When You Love Someone in Recovery 
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We explore:

— Why Brenda staged an intervention after her husband threatened to drive to daycare intoxicated
— How severe alcohol withdrawal led to hallucinations, a hospital escape, and an ICU ventilator
— Why Brenda pressured a doctor to keep her husband from driving their children
— What happened when unanswered prayer became anger at God
— How Brenda’s prayers shifted from changing her husband to asking God to heal and strengthen her
— Why recognizing gaslighting doesn’t eliminate the need for personal self-examination
— How forgiveness can be repeated without calling the damage acceptable
— Why her husband’s alcoholism increased her empathy for patients with addiction
— How an unfinished treehouse became a place of study, service, and redemption

What do you do when you love someone who won't stop drinking or give up their addiction? Dr. Brenda Fann Katula knows that frustration well. She understood alcohol addiction, withdrawal, and relapse. But none of that could fix her husband.&nbsp;
In Part 2 of this two-part interview, Brenda takes us through the final stage of her former husband's destructive behavior. From an intervention, to hallucinations, to putting on a front and doing what she could to protect her kids.
But more important than the story, she explains her deepest crisis from this period: her spiritual one. Angry that God hadn&rsquo;t healed her husband or restored their family, Brenda stopped praying personal prayers and tried to solve everything herself&mdash;until exhaustion forced her to surrender. She eventually recognized, though, that her prayers had an interesting through line: they all focused almost entirely on changing her husband rather than asking God for the healing, strength, and wisdom she needed.
We talk about her faith, her frustration, and her final surrender.&nbsp;
We also discuss boundaries, gaslighting, unanswered prayer, repeated forgiveness, identity in Christ, and the thing her husband left behind that went from a painful reminder to a powerful retreat.
This important interview is crucial for friends and family members looking for hope.
Listen to Part 1 <a href="https://jonseidl.substack.com/p/my-spouse-wont-stop-drinking-what-do-i-do-help">here</a>. Follow Brenda on Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/brendakfannkatula/">@brendafannkatula</a> Article: <a href="https://jonseidl.substack.com/p/what-if-were-missing-something-jesus?utm_source=publication-search">What does it actually look like to forgive?</a> Get Caroline Beidler's book for loved ones, <a href="https://amzn.to/4g9bEWN">When You Love Someone in Recovery&nbsp;</a> Get Gospel-centered addiction recovery resources and help at <a href="https://www.veritasrecovery.org">veritasrecovery.org</a> Follow me: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/jonseidl/">@jonseidl</a> Order my book, <a href="https://amzn.to/4opuOt">Confessions of a Christian Alcoholic</a> Watch this episode ad-free at <a href="https://jonseidl.substack.com/t/podcast">The Vertias Daily</a> We explore:
&mdash; Why Brenda staged an intervention after her husband threatened to drive to daycare intoxicated &mdash; How severe alcohol withdrawal led to hallucinations, a hospital escape, and an ICU ventilator &mdash; Why Brenda pressured a doctor to keep her husband from driving their children &mdash; What happened when unanswered prayer became anger at God &mdash; How Brenda&rsquo;s prayers shifted from changing her husband to asking God to heal and strengthen her &mdash; Why recognizing gaslighting doesn&rsquo;t eliminate the need for personal self-examination &mdash; How forgiveness can be repeated without calling the damage acceptable &mdash; Why her husband&rsquo;s alcoholism increased her empathy for patients with addiction &mdash; How an unfinished treehouse became a place of study, service, and redemption

Jon Seidl is the bestselling Christian author who became an alcoholic, not the other way around. It's usually the other way around. Or is it? "Confessions of a Christian alcoholic" (based on the book by the same title) is all about real stories, radical vulnerability, and remarkable comebacks of people who have struggled with alcoholism and addictions of all sorts. The show features interviews with fellow addicts and alcoholics as well as professionals in the fields of trauma, faith, and addiction recovery. Because let's be honest, we're all addicted to something. "Confessions" is a place for the desperate, the downtrodden, the destitute, and especially, the drunk. But it's also a place of hope and healing. Jon found sobriety after decades of struggling, but more importantly than finding sobriety, he found Jesus. In every episode, he gets radically vulnerable as he explores what it looks like to be on this journey of messy sanctification. Visit christianalcoholic.com for more resources.

Jon Seidl is the bestselling Christian author who became an alcoholic, not the other way around. It's usually the other way around. Or is it? "Confessions of a Christian alcoholic" (based on the book by the same title) is all about real stories, radical vulnerability, and remarkable comebacks of people who have struggled with alcoholism and addictions of all sorts. The show features interviews with fellow addicts and alcoholics as well as professionals in the fields of trauma, faith, and addiction recovery. Because let's be honest, we're all addicted to something. "Confessions" is a place for the desperate, the downtrodden, the destitute, and especially, the drunk. But it's also a place of hope and healing. Jon found sobriety after decades of struggling, but more importantly than finding sobriety, he found Jesus. In every episode, he gets radically vulnerable as he explores what it looks like to be on this journey of messy sanctification. Visit <a href="http://christianalcoholic.com/" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=http://christianalcoholic.com&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1747239325727000&amp;usg=AOvVaw1G-752Q-1dyjq6GN5gt7xw">christianalcoholic.com</a> for more resources.

Jon Seidl is the bestselling Christian author who became an alcoholic, not the other way around. It's usually the other way around. Or is it? "Confessions of a Christian Alcoholic" is all about real stories, radical vulnerability, and remarkable comebacks of people who have struggled with alcoholism and addictions of all sorts.

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Married to an Alcoholic Pt. 2: Faith, Forgiveness, and Surrender with  Dr. (and Wife) Brenda Fann Katula

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