Benjamin Wittes and Susan Hennessey argue that President Trump has changed the function of the presidency from one of public service to one that serves his personal interests.

The President was impeached for withholding aid to Ukraine in exchange for a political investigation into his political rival and obstructing the House investigation into his behavior.

The President will likely be acquitted in the Senate. It may be up to voters in November to decide whether to ratify or reject Trump's vision of the presidency.

Colin's interview with Benjamin Wittes and Susan Hennessey has been lightly edited for sound but not for time or content. You can hear a significantly shorter version in Episode 7 of Pardon Me (Another Damn Impeachment Show?).

GUESTS:
Benjamin Wittes - Senior Fellow at the Brookings Institution, Editor-in-Chief of Lawfare, analyst for MSNBC, and the coauthor of Unmaking the Presidency: Donald Trump's War on the World's Most Powerful Office
Susan Hennessey - Senior Fellow at the Brookings Institute, Executive editor at Lawfare, analyst for CNN, and the coauthor of Unmaking The Presidency: Donald Trump’s War on the World’s Most Powerful Office

Thanks to Catie Talarski and Chion Wolf.

Email us your questions at pardonme@ctpublic.org.

Pardon Me is a production of The Colin McEnroe Show on Connecticut Public Radio.

Benjamin Wittes and Susan Hennessey argue that President Trump has&nbsp;<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/13/opinion/impeachment-trump-presidency.html">changed the function of the presidency</a>&nbsp;from one of public service to one that serves his personal interests.
The President was impeached for withholding aid to Ukraine in exchange for a political investigation into his political rival and obstructing the House investigation into his behavior.
The President will likely&nbsp;<a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/01/impeachment-trial-boring/604822/">be acquitted</a>&nbsp;in the Senate. It may be up to voters in November to decide whether to ratify or reject Trump's vision of the presidency.
Colin's interview with Benjamin Wittes and Susan Hennessey has been lightly edited for sound but not for time or content. You can hear a significantly shorter version in&nbsp;<a href="https://www.wnpr.org/post/senate-trial-begins-or-impeachment-apprentice">Episode 7</a>&nbsp;of&nbsp;Pardon Me (Another Damn Impeachment Show?).
GUESTS:
<ul>
<li>Benjamin Wittes&nbsp;- Senior Fellow at the Brookings Institution, Editor-in-Chief of&nbsp;Lawfare, analyst for MSNBC, and the coauthor of&nbsp;<a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374175368">Unmaking the Presidency: Donald Trump's War on the World's Most Powerful Office</a></li>
<li>Susan Hennessey&nbsp;- Senior Fellow at the Brookings Institute, Executive editor at&nbsp;Lawfare, analyst for CNN, and the coauthor of&nbsp;Unmaking The Presidency: Donald Trump&rsquo;s War on the World&rsquo;s Most Powerful Office</li>
</ul>
Thanks to Catie Talarski and Chion Wolf.
Email us your questions at&nbsp;<a href="mailto:pardonme@ctpublic.org">pardonme@ctpublic.org</a>.
<a href="https://wnpr.org/pardonme">Pardon Me</a>&nbsp;is a production of&nbsp;<a href="https://wnpr.org/colin">The Colin McEnroe Show</a>&nbsp;on Connecticut Public Radio.

Does the Trump impeachment drama feel like drinking from a fire hose? If so, join host Colin McEnroe, public radio personality and columnist, for an energetic weekly round-up that brings you the latest developments and perspectives from guests like Dave Eggers, Adam Gopnik, Emily Bazelon and Dahlia Lithwick among other journalists, novelists, ethicists, essayists and podiatrists.*

"Pardon Me" also airs on Connecticut Public Radio Saturdays at noon.

Not to be confused with a podcast of a similar name, Colin may do occasional kettlebell workouts, but they won’t be a big part of the show. And make sure you are not actually drinking from a fire hose, because that’s very dangerous.

*Only if Gordon Sondland develops specific foot ailments.

Does the Trump impeachment drama feel like drinking from a fire hose? If so, join host Colin McEnroe, public radio personality and columnist, for an energetic weekly round-up that brings you the latest developments and perspectives from guests like Dave Eggers, Adam Gopnik, Emily Bazelon and Dahlia Lithwick among other journalists, novelists, ethicists, essayists and podiatrists.*
"Pardon Me" also airs on Connecticut Public Radio Saturdays at noon.
Not to be confused with a podcast of a similar name, Colin may do occasional kettlebell workouts, but they won&rsquo;t be a big part of the show. And make sure you are not actually drinking from a fire hose, because that&rsquo;s very dangerous.
*Only if Gordon Sondland develops specific foot ailments.

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