Joe Casey shares his impressions of CES 2026 with Coach Pete and Thomas Lipscomb. They discuss artificial intelligence, robotics, quantum computing, blockchain, and how emerging technology could change work and investing.

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00:00 Welcome back into the program. Coming up, we're joined by Joe Casey, who just got back from CES 2026 in studio with me. Consumer advocate Thomas Lipscomb is America's wealth coach and best-selling author, Coach Pete D’Arruda. Thomas, what do we do on our show? We define our terms. Yes, what is CES? Oh, please don't. Joe, can you help me? Consumer Electronics Show, Thomas. That's right. That's absolutely right. Consumer Electronics Show, where they show all the neat stuff that's coming up that you can't afford. Yeah, exactly. And they tease you because a lot of this stuff's not available yet, probably. But I didn't go, and it's been a long time since I went to CES, probably about 10 years, a decade. But back when I was growing up, my dad had computer stores, and we would go to a show once a year in Atlanta and Vegas called Comdex.

00:47 It was a show with all the new computer stuff that was coming up. Nice. I was geeking out there. But, Joe, how was the event? Was it worthwhile attending? Absolutely. The event was eye-opening. And, you know, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Saw a lot of cool stuff. I mean, just like you said, stuff that's not available yet, but is coming. And got to play off a few gadgets. And, you know, some of the things, and, of course, I won't get into it just yet, but some of the stuff that I just walked out of the CES show and said, you know what, I understand AI now much, much better. Well, yeah, right now it's just basically a Google on steroids is what AI is for most people. But what do you see AI becoming here in the next, let's say, five years and a decade?

01:34 Well, I see it really being a game changer. You know, when you look back at the Internet and when the Internet came out, it gave such usability. It gave companies a way to scale. And you see companies today coming online. I kind of like to look at it like, you know, like Starbucks. Those are what I call atom companies. Those are companies that have to have thousands of stores to, you know, service millions of customers, right? Well, today, AI, you're able to deploy very, very sophisticated software using a cloud base. And companies are able to scale like nothing you've ever seen. I mean, they can go to these billion-dollar valuations literally in a very, very short period of time.

02:21 And just to hear about what AI is becoming and what it is, it just opened my eyes. This year was fantastic. So when you're a startup company, one of the main problems is finding enough people to help you get to become a big company. So I think AI can eliminate that need for a lot of employees, can't it? Absolutely. Absolutely. And, you know, when you look at AI's, the trajectory of AI, and of course, I'm guilty of just using it for, like you said, Google on steroids, going to chat GPT and asking, you know, can you reword this letter for me? Yeah. And, you know, that's just the way I've used it. But there's so much more application when it comes to AI. So who were the big attendees, like who had the biggest booth there at the CES? I would say NVIDIA probably had the biggest display.

03:09 Okay. They had all of their robots and cars. And probably the most interesting thing that I saw, which I saw a lot of interesting things, was the Tensor. I don't know if you've heard of that name before, but Tensor has a robo car that you're going to be able to buy. And this is an autonomous, a Gen Tech type of AI that basically the steering wheel disappears, the foot pedals disappear, and this thing takes you to where you're going. And it was absolutely mind-boggling to watch this. It was just like out of a sci-fi movie. So do you get in the car and you see the steering wheel and the gas pedals and they disappear in front of you? Or do you mean they're not even there to begin with? No, no. They're there. You can drive. Oh, okay. And then when the car takes over, the steering wheel pulls into the dashboard, a screen goes over, the pedals disappear into the floor.

04:00 And that way the driver can't, you can't do anything. Yeah. You just sit back and enjoy. Keeps user error from happening. That reminds me of the movie iRobot with Will Smith and the police were coming after him and the whole car basically could shut itself down. Yeah. What was that show, the movies that the kids liked with the Transformers? Yeah. Where things were turning into different things right in front of you, right? Yeah, totally. Wow. That's pretty cool. Did they have rides available in that car or was it just a display thing? You know, they had it displayed in the Fountain Blue Hotel, and I'm sure at some point, you know, certain folks probably could take a test ride. But it wasn't there for me to do the test ride. I'd love to have done it, but it was in the hotel. You could get in it. You could check it all out.

04:45 It was amazing. The Fountain Blue is an amazing hotel over there. It's a gigantic place. It's a gigantic place. Exactly. You know, I have an office in Vegas, so after work that day, I went over to Capitol Grill, which is right across from, like, Wynn and all the, like, where all a lot of stuff was going on. And in the bar, I looked around the restaurant. I didn't see a single woman in that restaurant. It was all techie kind of guys, so that explains it. It looked like a bunch of NVIDIA guys in there at Capitol Grill. Well, that would explain it for sure. Now, NVIDIA had probably a big display, too, right, because they're a big AI company with the chips. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they had, you know, some of their servers out there. They had some of their robots. They had some video of, you know, futuristic goals that they're pressing toward.

05:33 And, you know, just a huge display. All right. So autonomous cars, that's what I think about the future. You know, that would not have surprised me when I go to CES because you see the futuristic things like that, a lot of AI stuff. What really surprised you? Like, you weren't expecting to see at CES this year. Well, I would say, you know, obviously, AI was going to be there, no doubt. Oh, yeah. But probably the thing that it wasn't, I guess it wasn't so much of what I saw. It was the impression that I took away. And it was like embracing AI as more of a platform that you put in your business, that you put to work in your life.

06:19 That was probably the greatest thing that I took away. Probably the coolest things that I saw was the RoboCar. That was off the chart. A lot of the smart glasses. I don't know if you've ever tried those, but the smart glasses, especially if I was a retiree, I'm 52, the smart glasses is going to be a game changer. If I was a retiree, you know, 60, 65, I'll tell you right now, I would 100% get these smart glasses because they're freaking amazing. I don't know if you've ever tried any. Well, if you haven't. I bought them twice and never used them. I got the first generation, and then I just got the, well, I didn't buy the second one. I got it as a gift at Christmas time, but I haven't ever used them. But I have seen online, there are some, like, non-name brand smart glasses.

07:07 You know, you get these ads on Facebook all the time. One would translate for you. One would tape every single minute of your day just in case you forgot what was going on, which, again, is good for people as we get older, we forget things. So you can't say you don't remember anymore. So you just look at it through the glasses and say, hey, remind me of what this looks like. So I don't know. I kind of like playing dumb sometimes. For sure. Not going to be able to do that anymore. Check. All right. Personal robots. Go ahead. Sorry. I was going to say another thing I saw that was good because I brush my teeth. I know it's kind of corny. But I brush my teeth. I floss. But I hate doing it. But I still do it two times a day. And they had toothbrushes there that you were able to brush and floss at the same time.

07:54 And so it was made by company Soccas. I believe. S-O-C-C-A-S. And check that out if you ever get a chance. It was really, really cool. C-C-A-S. S-O-O-C-A-S. Yeah. I can't pronounce it. Now, that's pretty funny because, I mean, in order to, because there's a gap between your teeth, that's where the floss has to go. So how does it know that? Does it have a camera built into the toothbrush? Well, it has a water. It has a water spout on it. Okay. Yep. That it shoots the water between your teeth. Okay. Well, I have one of those things that squirts water into whatever you call it. Water pick. Water pick. Yeah. Water pick. And when I used to use it, I would never have cavities.

08:40 So it really worked. I have to go to the dentist tomorrow. Well, I was really impressed. You've got the brush and you've got the water pick all in one. And I'm definitely going to get me one of those and try them out. Yeah. Well, that makes sense. I thought you were going to say you just put it in your mouth and it brushes your teeth for you and then you spit it out when you're done. That's the next generation. Nanobots going in and just doing their job for a few seconds. Now, speaking of bots, what kind of personal robots did you see? Well, you know, they had robots folding clothes. They had them moving dishes around in the kitchens. And so a lot of, you know, homemaking type robots that I found very cool because, you know, most of the ones you see are the ones that's, you know, sweeping up the floor. Yeah. And, you know, the little black thing running around.

09:27 We have a couple of those here. We have a couple of those here. You know, I think of when you talk about folding clothes, I think about the Jetsons. Rosie. Rosie was a little maid robot. And so one thing I hate doing is laundry, but I do my own laundry and I really hate folding. So that would be, I would buy a robot today if they would get promised to fold my clothes and hang them. Well, it was a little slow, but I could see over some time that the technology is really, really going to emerge. Now, I met the new owner of Napster while I was there. And, you know, Napster, you know, you remember from the 90s. Yeah, a long time ago. Yep. This guy, he bought the Napster company and he now, that program now, you can use it for

10:12 like young artists. Any artist could use it. And basically, it will take your music that you're making and license it. I mean, it does the whole thing for you. It's really, it's something you probably should check out at some time. That's pretty neat. You know, I remember Napster. I mean, that was the first place I got free music from back in the day. Exactly. That was me too. Yep. Me too. That's great. It's the whole industry and the industry has not stopped since then, really. That's true. How about new players? I mean, like Napster's a new player from an old name, but what about the new ones that are coming that are like, all right, so we got the robots, we got the cars. Oh, Thomas wanted to ask about TVs. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I saw an announcement that, and I'm not sure the brand, it might have been LG, but they did a wallpaper television that was less than a centimeter thin.

11:01 Did you see that? Yeah. Yes, yes, that was really cool. I took a bunch of pictures, got some info, and that's something that I'm very interested in purchasing. Yeah, that's pretty amazing, isn't it? I mean, the technology. Absolutely. And there were several different brands there. You know, they had some from China, some various places, but yeah, your major TV brands were there. They had their displays, but the TV, I mean, that screen was super, I mean, you could literally glue it to the wall. Wow. It was crazy. What do you think the price point for something like that's, I guess, a good, the size? What about a 50-inch one of those? What do you think those are going to go for? You know, it's going to be hard to say, but I would say at least, at least, probably you're

11:46 in the lower thousands at this point. Wow. But that stuff will come down quickly as more competitors emerge. You know, we just ordered 200-inch ones for our new auditorium we have on our third floor, and one of them was cracked when we got it, but we didn't know it until we opened it four months later. Well, now you're going to be able to get just these panels and just lay them out across the wall wherever you want. That's amazing, isn't it? It's true, though. It's amazing. Yeah. Well, we grew up with the big, fat TVs. Remember how heavy those were? Oh, yeah. The 32-inch one was gigantic, and it took two guys to move it. Yeah, yeah. Crazy. The tube. Remember the big tube? So we got rid of the tubes, and we had plasma. I mean, I haven't heard the word plasma TV in forever, have you? I mean, those are the big things that never really came.

12:32 Sort of like Blu-ray. Remember, Blu-ray was out, then it was gone. Yeah, that's true. I mean, it's funny how fast things change. I mean, I grew up in, I missed eight-track cassettes, but I had regular cassette. That's what Columbia House was nice enough to send me a bunch of times. The cassette tapes. I still got my collection. I've got a big old tote tray full of them. Nice. So how big was this? Did they have it in the convention center, and they're already spread out to different hotels, or did they have it all over different hotels? That was a little overwhelming. You had several of the convention halls set up, and then they had five of the major hotels. They had speakers and panelists off and on all day long. I thoroughly enjoyed listening to some of the panelists talk, and just hearing some of the techie guys

13:21 and some Hollywood producers and CEOs, just hearing them all collaborate together was very powerful. Well, you know, Hollywood's not going to have to have these gigantic scenes anymore. They're not going to have to pay a whole bunch of people. They'll just have it all in CG. Well, something more advanced than CGI, but they'll be able to do it all on a computer. Sort of like Game of Thrones. Game of Thrones did a lot of that, by the way, too. They did a lot of the graphics added on. One of the gentlemen from Warner Brothers, he was talking about that. I don't know if you know this yet, but they're coming out with a Barbie 2. That's what he said, that they're making the Barbie 2 movie, and it's going to have some of these effects and all this stuff in it, and it's going to be really, really good. Pretty amazing. Now, tell folks, you're not just a normal person that's going to CES. You've got a pretty big tech background. Where'd you go to college? Well, I went to Ohio State, and I've attended MIT, and I love tech.

14:11 I love digging into the stuff. I'm the guy that wants to know how the watch works. I get it. Now, you said Ohio State. Usually when someone says Ohio State, they say the Ohio State. The Ohio State, yeah. Thomas, you've heard that before, right? You watch any football game when the guys announce where they're from. The Ohio State. Which I've been to Columbus. It's a nice place. I mean, I've been to Notre Dame, too. Those are like nice college towns. Yeah. Yeah. I had a subway store not far from campus there on 23, and it was the number one subway store in Columbus because of the college. There you go. It was good old days back then. Nice, nice. Now, you were looking at a lot of things there, and I'm sure, because you're a big investor, too.

15:02 You like to invest in stocks and play the market the right way. Do you see any – did you notice any maybe small companies that no one's ever heard of that you might think are ready to explode with the products they have? You know, I'm still compiling that thought. I'm doing some research, and, you know – Thomas, he doesn't want to share, in other words. He's going to his beard. When he goes to his beard, you know, he's thinking. Contemplating, contemplating. No, I mean, it's pretty neat, though. It's a great way. Oh, yeah. I mean, anyone who's up and coming is going to be at CES, and if they're not there, it may not be tomorrow, but it may not be next year. But the next five years, some of those companies you saw are going to be big names. Oh, absolutely. And, you know, the one thing that I'm looking for when I'm looking for these types of investments, I'm looking for people that have big vision and that are looking to be a disruptor.

15:59 You know, you take Elon Musk. You know, his goal is to colonize Mars. I mean, that's just like way up there. And, you know, these companies, fortunately, you know, when you aim high, that, you know, you might not hit the stars, but you're going to get into the atmosphere of space. And that's what – when you're looking at these companies, seeing the technology and hearing their ambitions, you know, do they have an open architecture that you could see this company really, really making some waves. And I think a recent example – And really the cloud – I would say a recent example of that is NVIDIA. We just had a clip on our show recently where the president was talking about because we provide the chips to everybody. They're that foundational structure. Yes. Yeah. Well, that's important to get those kind of companies.

16:44 But then also the ones that are – no one's heard of yet. Exactly. And then all of a sudden everyone hears about. But it's too late to get in almost. So true. So true. It's the meteoric rise, they call it. So how about Elon's tunnel? Did you get a ride down there in his tunnel? You know, I didn't get in the tunnel, but I saw cars coming out of it, and I was very impressed. I wanted to get in there, but it didn't happen. C'est la vie. What was your favorite interactive display? Because, you know, a lot of these companies spend millions sometimes on their displays. Oh, yeah. Well, one of the displays that really caught my attention was they had a display there where they had an omnidirectional treadmill. And there was a guy that was in the VR suit, and basically he was in Ready Player One total.

17:31 I mean, he had the whole getup. And, you know, they had a bunch of demonstrations going on, lots of people in those suits. And I was watching what they were seeing in the TV, and I thought, oh, my God. Gaming is coming a long way. And this is the evolution of the gaming industry right here. You know, when you think about gaming growing up, it was the fat kid that would just sit inside and play on the, like, sit in front of the TV. But now you have interactive gaming where you can get in shape by playing games. And that makes sense. I told Thomas, and Jose, you've probably heard this too, back in the day I played a game called Halo. Oh, yeah. Halo was on the Xbox back then. And my rule back then, and my bedroom was underneath my workout room, so my wife would hear me because I'd start playing the game like at 12 at night and go all the way.

18:19 But my rule was I had to ride the exercise bike while I was playing Halo. Nice. So it's funny. So when I started being chased, I would pedal faster, even though it had nothing to do with the game. But I was in really good shape, so I made myself work out to play the game. But now you're going to have to work out to play the games because if not, you're going to get killed too easily. Yeah. So it makes sense. Yeah. Good incentive. One thing that did stand out too that I just, I don't know, I just never had thought of this, but listening to a lot of the CEOs of these different companies speak and some of the producers at Hollywood, they are bringing influencers out now and allowing them to stream from the TV set. They're bringing them into these companies and allowing them to stream to their audiences.

19:09 And that's how these movies, they clearly said it. That's how these movies go through these huge ticket sales prior, you know, as the movie's coming out because they let these streamers are coming in. And I thought that was very, very interesting. You have to build the excitement because back in the day, they would maybe six months before a movie would come out. You started hearing about it. Then you started seeing advertisements on TV. But it would be like a six-month runway into the movie. Nowadays, the movies don't even go to this theater a lot of times. They come right to Netflix or Amazon or something like that. So everything's changing. And influencers are becoming a big part of that too. Oh, big part. I was very impressed with that. One word I'll drop in there for you is agentic AI. It's something that you probably want to get to know better. That's going to probably be a trillion-dollar industry before you know it.

19:59 And that's something to really, you know, explore, find companies that are focused on agentic top of AI. That's going to be your autonomous top AI. And that's going to be the big, big thing here down the road. So AI without you having to be around, I guess, right? That's exactly it. Okay. A self-driving car, for example, would be agentic AI. Okay. That's what we always hear about, self-driving car. What else could we, like, what other? You think it would be self-driving planes down the road? You get on a plane and there's no pilot up there? You know, I'm sure that'll eventually be the case. It's kind of scary. I don't want to be that first few guys that get in there and, you know. So anything else that excited you during the show?

20:46 You know, I just going through and just seeing the technology, seeing the massage chairs, that was pretty exciting. Because now they've got them where they'll stretch your whole body out. And so that was pretty nice. Really, just being overwhelmed is probably the word. You can only see so many things before your brain's just, ugh. But it was so many cool things. There was a couple. Oh, I'll tell you something that I saw that was really interesting. And you may have seen these before and you may not have. They had crafts there that are full size. And you can put one or two people in and fly them around.

21:31 It's a giant drone that you can fly your body around in. Like, I could buy this thing, get in it here at my house, and fly on the other side of town to my buddy's house. That would come in handy in New York City where they have a lot of traffic, wouldn't it? You know, you just fly over the traffic. Oh, man. That's pretty neat. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. When I was looking, I was like, wow. Either I'm behind on my knowledge here or this is new. So do you get in it like, I remember Orville and Wilbur Wright, they get in there like Superman. Is that what you do? Is it big enough? It's a big drone, then. It's a big drone. It's got big blades on it. And I'm sure it has some limitations, but you can literally get in this thing and fly over to your buddy's house. You've got to make sure you don't cut somebody's head off with those blades, too, right?

22:17 Oh, yeah. Yeah. The blades were no joke. They were huge. What is it? Battery-powered, I guess, right? Yeah. So did it have new battery technology coming out? Did you see anything like that? Because that's always a big thing. You know, I didn't see very much on that. I'm sure it was there because, you know, obviously the battery is powering all of our stuff. We want better and better. You know, Jackery had some great solar batteries there. They had a huge gazebo design that you can buy and put in your backyard. At the same time, it's a whole charging station. So that was kind of cool. That's pretty cool, yeah. How much was the big drone that could fly you around? I'm interested. You know, I didn't see the price on that. I didn't see no price out there.

23:03 I just think of the last time I tried to fly a drone. It would be like me real life morrowing something. Oh, my God. Well, we had Caesar in our office. He got his drone stuck in a tree. I wouldn't want to get stuck in a tree if I'm in a drone. Oh, my God. You heard about your cat being stuck in a tree. You had to call the fire department to get the cat out of the tree. Now you have to call the fire department to get people out of the tree. Get people out of the tree. Well, my husband's in the tree again. All right, we'll be right over. That's good. That's good. So how did they have the show? I know you said it was spread out all amongst a bunch of different hotels and the conference, whatever they call it, the convention center. How did they have the booths divided? Did they have them in different sections? Like you went to Tomorrow World over here and you went to sort of like Disney. You had different places? Yes. They had it customized by theme.

23:50 And so you could see some of the cars here. You could see some of the health and nutrition things. Oh, that's another thing I saw. I saw this one workout gym. It's called Monster Gym, I believe was the name of. Gym Monster. That's the name of it. And this is the granddaddy of home fitness. It's a very small thing that you can literally fold up, but it's got the technology built into it. It's like having two, 300-pound weights that you can bench press. You can do all kinds of stuff. And it's the whole thing that folds out. And it was made really, really well. I was like, wow. But when you're done, you just literally fold it up and it's like hardly anything. Because that's a complaint a lot of times people have. And they have to go to the gym because they don't have enough room at their house for all that equipment and everything.

24:39 So that's pretty neat. I was really impressed of how functioning this thing was. And you literally pull it out. You do whatever workout. I mean, from squats to bench press. I mean, the whole thing. And then you just kind of package it right back up and boom, it's done. It reminds me of that bed that people used to have. They'd pull it out of the wall and the bed would come out. When you're done, you'd throw the bed back in the wall. That's pretty much it, yeah. But they did have it all divided up by sections. Okay. And it was really neat. So what innovation made you say, why hasn't this existed before? That's a good question. And I would say that it's hard to really pinpoint something. Because I was like a kid in a candy store just walking around.

25:27 The clothes folding thing sounds cool to me. Oh, that's number one. That and the flying, the little drone that can fly from one side of the city to the other. That's neat. Yeah. I would say the drone was probably that. I was like, wow, I'm surprised it's kind of taken this long. Because drones have been out for a long time. Yep. And, you know, and again, I may just be behind in that area. But when I saw that, I was like, wow. The gaming, I'll tell you, the gaming had came a long, long way. Just seeing those people in the full gear. I can't remember the name of what you call that. But just seeing the folks in the VR glasses and the suits. And then watching them play the game on the TV.

26:14 It was just amazing. All right. Two more points and then I'll let you go. But, I mean, your phone. I've always told Thomas, you know, there's going to come a time where we're not carrying our phone around all the time. I mean, it's a burden. But I have my credit cards in here, too. So this is my wallet, basically. But, I mean, is there going to come a time where you don't have to have a phone, but you can still have all the functionality you have with the phone right now? I think so. I think eventually you're going to have some type of futuristic device that, whether that's a band you put around your wrist and it has a small projection that when you hit the button, it kind of pops up and, you know, you got everything kind of almost in the air. Yep. I did see a phone there, though, that was really, really amazing. It was a very, very thin phone that it was like a tri-fold.

27:00 It folded out and it was the size of an iPad. And it was big. But then when you folded it back up, it was basically like this iPhone I got right here. Yeah. That was really interesting. Samsung, it was one of their brands and it was pretty much brand new. So eventually you'll probably see that hit the market at some point. Because you know all these companies are trying to come out with the thing that replaces the phone, right? Oh, yeah. But I guess it's a ways down the road. Now, this wasn't your first trade show. You've been to CES before, right? Yeah. How do you compare this to others? Well, it had been a while since I had been. And this one just seemed to have a lot more action. You just saw a lot more people.

27:46 There were a lot more gadgets. And just I think the thing that I believe really made the difference was the panelists that they had pulled together. And I'm sure they're going to keep doing this more and more in the future. And that was really impressive. So did you go to some of those speeches? Yeah. It was like I went to a conference. I went to a conference and I went to a trade show. What was your favorite speaker? Who was your favorite speaker? It was a panelist that basically was speaking on the future of the coaching and digital marketing industry. Ah, that's cool. And it was a combination of you had a guy there from Twitch. You had a guy. One of them was a Hollywood producer. Substack had a big presence there. I don't know if you know what Substack is.

28:32 It's like YouTube except you own your own stuff. So that was probably some of the highlight of the speaking and panelists. I've told my staff we need to have a Substack page, but it never happens. Yeah. I guess I'm going to do it again. Thomas is getting worried. I see him over there. I was very impressed. The owner of Substack was there and he was talking about where they're at, where they're going, and just how they work with the people that's on their site. So definitely check that out. So you say this year is just more bigger, more faster, more better. It sounds like just everything, the excitement level seems to be higher. I think the excitement level was super high because AI was just everywhere. And if you could just put yourself back in those couple days, you were there for two or three days probably.

29:21 What was the most exciting moment that you had where you just felt excited about the future? Oh, that's when I won. I pulled the handle and all of a sudden this big thing started flashing. It said I won. Oh, yeah? How much did you win? How much did you win? You win a lot? For IRS purposes, we'll keep it under $10,000. Yeah, we'll keep it under $10,000. But I would say probably the biggest thing was leaving the show, I felt like I had a new perspective on what AI is really going to become down the road. And it got me really fired up. I'm thinking about going back and taking some classes at MIT on a GenTech and on some of that AI so that I can better incorporate it into my business and so forth.

30:09 So very excited about it. Well, here's one thing I just forgot. I said it was my last question, but I've got one more here. But blockchain, we've heard so much about blockchain over the years. Were there any blockchain-type companies there showing you what the future is going to be in blockchain? Yes, yes. There were some companies there illustrating some of their stuff and blockchain. Absolutely. And blockchain is going to continue to emerge, especially with quantum computers. And you put blockchains and quantum computers together, that's going to be a huge deal, especially when we have access to it. Yeah, I really think that that's the future of voting. If we can perfect the voter ID, then if people vote on the blockchain, there'll be no more cheating anymore. That's exactly right. And so that's the way to go. One final thing, your favorite restaurant while in Vegas.

30:56 My favorite restaurant, believe it or not, it was just Gordon Ramsay's Burger Bar at the Planet Hollywood. I've heard good things about that, actually. Some of his other places, like Hell's Kitchen is good, but it's expensive and it's a long wait. But the Burger Bar is good. The best steakhouse I've ever been to there is the Golden Steer. Oh, yeah. It's featured in the movie Casino. It's one of the old-timey ones. But it's one of the best steaks ever. So just keep that in mind. You've probably been there before. I'll check that out. All right. His name is Joe Casey, and he's one of the guys that I like to talk to when we talk about tech and also investing. Joe, thanks for your time today. Hey, thanks for having me, Coach Pete. Love it. Look forward to seeing you again soon and hanging out with you anytime, man. Call me anytime. Hey, if people wanted to contact you, how could they do that?

31:41 They could simply just go to CatalystWealthCoaching.com, and you'll find all my information right there. There you go. Thanks a lot, Joe. Take care. We'll look forward to talking to you again in the future. Yes, sir. Have a good one. Bye-bye. Folks, we'll be right back after this. Bye-bye.