John Salley

Published Nov 7, 2022, 10:30 AM

4x NBA Champion, talk-show host and actor John Salley joins Shannon this week for a conversation on all things NBA and the world of entertainment.

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Who will be the dominant player of the twenty twenties. So Luca steal Zaber Ryan over Luca Zober Ryan over and over. Yoke, Am I saying it is? Am I saying it? Get on enough drive Ran, don't d all my life and grinding all my life, sacrifice hustle beg prison, want a slice? Got the bron dice to swadd all my life. I've been grinding all my life all my life, been running all my life up, sacrifice, hustle bag Bryson, want a slice, Got the bron dice to sware all my life. I've been grinding all my life. Hello, welcome to another edition of Club Shasha. I am your host Shandon Sharp. I'm also the propriet of Club Sha Shake. And the guy that's stopping by for conversation on the drink today is a four time NBA champion. He's an actor, producer, talks your host, entrepreneur, philanthropist. He's the first player NBA history to win a championship in three with three different franchises, and the first player to win a championship in three different decades. He needs no introduction. John Sally I told him you can read give me my one hundred dollars. They said, Santy can't read. I wrote all that down and you prove you can read. You see to put on the car. They didn't put it in prompting for me, Sally, how you do it today? Bright man, I'm finally on club. This is amazing, and you know I got it. I brought you something you did because this right here is Tycoon Kanye. This is the vs we got that's very special, very special, and I brought it because I know you have yours. But my man, eat forty makes this right. So this is and me supporting. So I want to know what. I'm gonna give you a couple of bottles that I want you to support me like you support forty Water. I definitely do it. So I'm going on Drink Champs and I'm only bringing Brown. I'm only bringing Brown. Oh this is that's me right there? Yeah? Oh this show? Yes, well, I'm only bringing Brown and they only had to beat from Brown. Check this out. 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What time he lights out? Well, my sleep pattern is different. I've been stretching more. Okay. I was with uh my boy Joe. Okay, I did some man. I tried to get back in the league. Well he did, he did last year. Okay, he was on the Celtics. Don't make me make jokes. Okay, So so I did that, and I you know, my wife is polates instructor. I won't work out with her because she's crazy and she's really good at it. But I drink about a lead of water with a little bit of bacon soda, a little bit the Celtic sea salt. What they hell the bacon solda do? So when you when you have water, yes, first thing, when you have anything with ice in it, your body won't absorb it. Cold for your body. Okay. Second thing, when you put the bacon solda and the sea salt, those are the sea salt has about eighty eighty five minerals you should have every day. But we don't get right. So I make sure the water becomes whatever touches it. So now water becomes minerals and therese and that helps my kidneys, It helps, it helps move things out of my liver, It helps my low intestine, it helps my body absorb. So you're drinking everything at room temperature, bacon solda, sea salt, a little bit how much teaspoon, table spoon, half a tea spoon with the bacon, Solda and the whole leader, and about a pinch, a couple of pinches of sea salt. Okay, sometimes I put the sea salt in my mouth when I switch it around with some coconut oil, and it's like my dog thinks I'm crazy. I think I'm thinking that. I know, I know, but but I'm I'm Then I'm gonna get some sativa and I'm gonna take a bongrat because I have to start the day off in a haze. This man tell about cleansing his body, even tell my seas Vegas shoulder water that room. Tim. Yeah, I gotta open. I got a blessed job. I gotta black. No. I got a cannabis company with my daughter called Dukes Is twenty two with my daughter Taylor, So we have great products. So I always have to give my my company a boost. Okay, you're the first player to win a championship with three different teams. Yeah, at the time, did you know that? I was? Yeah, So what was the significance of that to you? This is the deal? Everything is good, vibe Right, you are Baltimore, that's five right, Yeah, you got to Yeah, they are athletes, but you know, what's the difference is is when there's dogs everywhere, right, and they all barked the same bark, and you don't have to wonder if you slip, if that is not gonna be there, if somebody beat me, what's never happened. I didn't when and if Dennis is right here, Bill Lamber is about to put you in your back, you're not there's no free to the bath. So I didn't never had to worry about yeah, big my big brother. I didn't have to worry about, you know, somebody not even being there. So it's it's that mentality. I have this, I do this winning thing. I believe in this one breath. I believe you know. Yeah, it's talent. And I tell you, I watch you every day. I love what you do. You're great at it. Stop talking to the to the peasants. You don't tell You don't social media, that's what you're talking about. You don't respond to anybody. You don't respond to anybody on Twitter, anybody in ig No, I don't nobody in the audience. What because those are called hecklers. So if you're doing comedy or you on stage and somebody heckles you and you respond to the heckle. He's the show. You don't. You don't, you know, not the show. You don't have, the show. You don't you don't, don't have a microphone. You don't want to put it. You don't want to put him on, you know, put that spotlight on me? Like no, that means that I'm taking the light off of me. Let me tell you one of my favorite preachers named Rev. Kike Rev Ke said the lights within you. He didn't, he didn't care about this, they say. He explained why he believed that God is within right is that he didn't say you're wrong. He just explained himself. Did you guys fight, did your team? Because we got there, we're gonna talk about Draymond about punching his get punching Jordan Poole in the eye, since Temperance Flaire, whatever happened? Did you guys fight amongst yourself? They said, because nobody shouted, it's gonna beat you up worse than Rick Mahard. So I'm in. But one time Isaiah got in a fight with Tony Campbell and they were thrown and Tony through one at at his head and Isaiah duck He said, hey, man, don't hit me in the face. It's a body fight. Tony looked at me. Why they do that here, I don't know. But then I remember one time, Uh, you know, basketball plays fight like this, yo man, Yo man, that's how basketball players fight. Backing up right, Marco, Whyae don't fight like that? Barc Why he was up in there like West Side Chicago. Mark was in there like like Joe Frazier in that joint, and I was like, oh, don't mess with him. Bill Lambard didn't me. He didn't me dirty man. He grabbed my jersey like I was in soccer, like I was in hockey. He pulled that jersey over my head. He was like, young fella. I laughed about it to this day, that boy. I let him get the jersey over my head. But so when you when you guys, when you got okay, you fought among yourself. I guess that brought you guys closer. But when you stepped on the court, ain't nobody messing with us. And I'm I'm telling you to the point where transpired When you put on the jersey, all of a sudden you got to you got the feeling. And I can tell you that my boy die Walker, de Walker from Chicago. Uh huh. When Karl Malone clocked Isaiah and over that dial, Walker ran from the far bench all the way down and hit Car from the all the way from the bench on the court full speed like I'm from this side of Chicago and hit him. So that mentality Rick mahonna remember they came at Rick. They would have to get in. Yeah, scared of Rick. Yeah, Rich should be Rick. Rick. When I was a rookie, man him and Sigreene got in a fight and I may many teammates, you know, man hit me in the jaw, killing me looking down when growing folks who fight even be quiet. One of you guys would have had Oakley on your team. So it would have been you Mahorn, Old Lamb Beer, you Rodman. So Oakley doesn't talk. No, Dennis doesn't talk, Joe Dumars doesn't. They don't talk right, And I know people are like, what are you talking about that. I used to say to Joe that I can go and he'll hear me because he don't talk. He just read lips. So those two, those three on a squad, would it which had talkers like Rick, Bill and Isaiah? You know what it would have fit in. I just don't know. It's been no room for him because that means he would have been taking some of my minutes or Summer Bill's minute or summer ricks. That's what we were fighting in practice for. So no, he wouldn't have been good on our squad. The eight What was what was eight become? I don't I think a lot of this generation. I mean, you can watch highlights on YouTube and things like that, but what was the eighties? What was the physicality like in eighties basketball? Try to compare it. Because you played in the two thousands, obviously, start and say it again. You know, let him know you played in the two thousand because obviously they were trying to get away from that brand of basketball. But the physicality in the eighties, the nineties and the two thousand when you ended, Okay, I wasn't gonna show you the back of my head, but I had my daughter said looking. So it's the night before the All Star Game. It's February nineteen eighty seven. I can smell Atlanta from Detroit. I can't wait till my seven o'clock flight. But I got a game the night before. Okay, playing against San Antonio and this artist Guilball, and I pumped faked him and this giant lean and I was like, oh, I got him, and he elbowed me in the head and I hit the ground. And I'm telling you, the room was spending. I heard that before, but I was like whoa. And Benny was like, come on, sound get up, man, don't let him see you hurt. I was like, I'm hurt. Like if he don't let don't let him see it, what are I supposed to do? You know, jump in a tent. I'm hurt. Like you know what I'm saying, I don't play for Miami. I'm hurt. Y'all get that joke later. Anyway, I get on the fire line and I'm telling you, I'm like, oh, man, I want to vomit right now. And I don't know. I don't never had a concussion or knew what it was. And then they tell me I have a concussion and I can't go to sleep the whole night before, but artists Gilma hit me and it was nothing I can do about it. It's like, you know, you put your hands up and you like, just let me go, man, just let me go. He was he was so big, and I'm in my guys like Maurice Lucas was trying to break my elbow. It felt like it was. It was like a wrestling match, y'all really had they had the old school enforces back there. They really had them forces back and the rests understood that that was his job, right. They were so old that they would come to training camp to get in the ship. I'm down the five cigarettes a day, you know what I'm saying. They were smoking cigarettes and drinking kayaks and putting it out and then going and playing for forty two minutes. You know, I kind of like you, and I uh, I was gonna bring your cigar too, because I know you're a big cigar guy. Yeah, I was gonna bring your padrone anniversario. I was gonna hook you well, pass that along, c hook you up. Only one though. The twenty dollars a stick. Now, there have been since you won three championships with three different teams, they've been several guys. Robert Or has done it, and Lebron has done it, and I think somebody else has done it. I think Green, Yeah, yeah, Danny Green, Danny Green. Yeah. I always know the guys are came behind me. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying. I turned around and go, this is the one thing I love. I love. Somebody said to me, they, man, if you would have played different, you would have been you could have been an All Star. And I said, dong, I'm a champion, and I blaze. I trail blaze like I do things, and you know, I do things until anybody behind me can say this can be done right. I'm a seventh foot that did seventeen movies. I'm a seventh foot that did TV shows, that stand up comedy that holds. You know what I'm saying. I've done all the things that so you know the words you said. What I did it was bigger than basketball, like Muhammad Ali was more than We're gonna get in trouble for this and you're probably gonna cut it. But the reason, one of the reasons for my addiction is OJ Simpson is watching OJ and the way everybody was so proud of him being knowledgeable and able to speak at a certain level and not fit the stereotype like you. That's why I love watching you. Was one of the first to have a national commercial. He had he had the juice, but he was. He was sideline reporter. Yes, absolutely, yeah, so to be that and and and you know the only thing I didn't have he had is a big head. Like his head is like OJ's head is big waterhead boy. And but I liked that. I loved that Muhammad Ali stood up and said something and didn't move away from it. I liked uh, Jim Brown, I loved it. I loved all of that. That that bravado and and that ability to speak well and do well. And when I saw Jim Brown, he didn't just do the movie that he quit on't that wasn't it. He did a plethora movies right after and plays. And I was like, that's what I want to do. I want to get to that Lebron the greatest, next the greatest. Yeah, would you mean the greatest? You said Lebron? I thought that's what you say. After that, say Lebron. I thought that was his last name, Lebron. Could it could be? You played against Kareem? Kareem retired all THEO had the most points ever. The record has almost stood for forty years because he broke the record in nineteen eighty four. Did you think anybody in your lifetime would get this record, Kareem's record, Yo, not even Karl Malone and cars number two right right, And they were giving him points when he wasn't even playing, Like, I think they just gave him two more points time twenty five years. I think this. I think they're not gonna let him get it. They're not gonna let who get it, Lebron. They got no choice, no matter the thousand points, you're gonna be Really, I'm listening think about it. This thing like I didn't agree with something Phil Jackson said to me, and then I got into my fifties and I got it. So I didn't agree, But I say, Phil, Kobe had eighty one. He was about no matter what you do, he was about to get. He was about to get one oh four. They would have kept feeding the ball. The other side would have been like, you know, don't hurt him, but they would have been clear outs and Kobe would have got one oh four. And he goes, well, some records need to stand, and I was like wow, he goes yeah, then he got number. He's number two. He doesn't need to be number You think Kobe could have got well, I think they took him out with like a minute to go. You think he could have got nineteen points in a minute, Well, I watched at least. No, they took him, They took him out with a whole seven minutes ago. No, it's just about the Toronto game. You're going in a minute, only a minute because they were behind by so much. He had I mean he had to shoot. I mean to get him back in the ball game. So you don't think they gonna let Lebrons get the thirty eight plus thousand. No, but but that would beats number two anyway. You don't want to be number two that man. I mean, think about it. Eighteen straight years of twenty five plus points no more. You're probably never gonna see that again. South Korean Kareem Kareem was on fume the last couple year, stopping. Hey, let me tell you, let me tell you. I don't know. Kareemveraged ten points and and and they were well deserved. But let me tell you something. Kareem was hard boy. Yeah. But but but but for Lebron he played you know the big normally big play alone period of time. But because guess what, you get the rebound, you pass it out. They wait for you to get down the court, Kareem would go down to the block. He would give him Magic the hand the left of the right. Magic would feed him right and throw the sky hoop. Yeah, and they did that twelve times again. The rest of them. Kareem had to go get off the rack, right, like, let's what he would say, right, every I'm giving to you like this three times a quarter. Right, then we're gonna run it three times. Magic had magic knew exactly where everybody was being. Right. I don't think they would give it to him, I think, and I listened to you when you champion, Lebron, I take my hat off to you, and I you know, I had to tell him. I don't know, I have like wine for him, a whole bunch of stuff, but like he you know, he looked at me funny. But anyway, I told him. I said, I thought Carmelo should have been the number one pick, and I had to apologize. I was like, I was one hundred percent wrong. I had no idea you were gonna be this good. That's what. And I tell people, I said, no matter whatever you think about Lebron, no matter what you thought, he was gonna be based on him in high school, he's exceeded it. He's the best. I'm nervous. I would I would. I look at him walk and I go just walk it and I it's like, Oh, if you see him walking on court, You're like, oh my god, this kid can play. That's first thing you do when you see him walk. He gotta walk like he walked like an He walked like he's you're about to get the numbers. And to see somebody in my height shoot like that, KD. It's a whole nother level, right, But to see him shoot like that, dribble like magic, look for people like magic, take over games like magic. It's he's the closest thing to Magic. I've ever seen. Everybody talking about Michael. He's I've always said magic, Michael. Michael was a scorer. Michael just tried. Michael just tried to kiy you. Michael didn't want anybody else the kid. He wanted the key. You know what they would do man at the farm, they would play I Love New York, I Love Lay. That song would start and we would I love it, love it, and Magic would walk on the court and he would go like this, and what he was doing. He would look at the ref and go all right, don't try it, don't try it. He would click everybody on, he would turn and the lights on. He would he would make some wind blow man, this dude, Okay, I'm gonna give you some decades and you tell me the best player in the decade. So we go. Sixties Chamberlain, Roberts, Robinson, Jerry West, Bill Russell, Robinson, Oschool was the best player of the sixties, Oscar Robinson. Yeah. Next. Seventies Kareem Boblin, Neil Walt Fraser, Bob McAdoo, Jerry West, Eighties, Magic Bird, Mo Malone, Kareem, Doc Magic, nineties Jordan a Keen Barkley two thousand, Shot Kobe, Dirk Duncan, Lebron, Iverson, Nash Garnett, Shock is the most dominant player I've ever seen. But you got dirt and Evince Kid. Now I'm gonna go with Shot twenty ten Bron Steph, Lebron, Rant Kobe, who will be the dominant player of the twenty twenties? So Luca Steph Job, a Ryan over Luca Job, a Ryan over over yok Am, I saying that this am I saying it. Get on enough job around chop round, No job around. They're go jop around over there. Mam okay, give me John Sally's top five players currently playing. Luca Joannas, Steph Lebron job a rock. Now, what's the what's the other big white guy's name? Nicola Yoki? I get I get so nervous watching him, knowing I would had to punch him in the face like I would have. I would have had to. I would have figured out how to like throw the ball to hit him in his face. That's the only way to because he's he's looks so awkward, right, but he's giving people given numbers. He goes, I'm gonna get all these rebounds on him, sister, Yeah, that's my five. Starting a franchise right now. Durant or the honest Durant. I know, man, I was ready for you. You didn't know I was ready for you. I would say Giannis, but I would say dan Jannis. I mean I would say I would say I would always say Durant because he really plays defense. He's not lazy, so huge thing, he's not lazy. He he's and he's focused when he's on court. His job is just put the brown thing, the irangsting inside the orangsting more or like I was. I think I got to his DM man. I was trying to interview him when I was about to do interviews for lad TV, and I wanted it was the only person I wanted to talk basketball about. It was a trip, that was it, and like and like you know basketball, I was known football, and I didn't tell people the best damn because I knew they were gonna put me in every segment, right, so I act like I didn't know it, And then I would hear them say stuff and I'd be like that. You spoke glowingly about Kareem and knowing his history the sixty I think sixty sixth summit that they had in Cleveland. He was there as a high as a college player. You spoke glowingly about Kyrie. I know how you feel about Kyrie, was talking about him a little later. Kareem was very critical of some of the things that Kyrie said. He had at least been critical of Lebron lately. What what what is your what is your position on Kareem or the old guard being critical of some of the young players wanted out of bounds fair file. It was one hundred percent out of bounds, the one on Lebron or the one on Kyrie, especially on Kyrie, okay, and so so we could speak on it. I think this was the reason. I think somebody along with him is saying to him, if if you want to get things going and become relevant and be able to guard the money where they bring you in and they be you got to say something that is asked not You have to in order to be in this system of media controversy and and and conflict and a scandal. It's celebrity. Now you understand what I'm saying. So to say that the school system has let has let Kyrie down, it's saying you're duke. Education is useless. But when you say that about education, you mean you're programming didn't stick, right, because Stephen A. My man, fifty grand went in on Kyrie and had COVID twice and barely could walk and thought he was on his deathbed. With the vaccine right and the boosters right, Kyrie had none of that, right. So, but you know, like the vaccine and booster doesn't guarantee just like taking the months or the chicken pots with all the vaccine doesn't guarantee taking a flu shot. I'm a vegan. I've been. I started studying veganism in nineteen ninety one and became a complete vegan in two thousand and seven. I lived this lifestyle, so I understood, Yeah, but you had another You had another sixteen years to eat meat. You hadn't got it all like your system right, So if you get things out of your system, which it only right, your system is only right here. So if you get things out of your intestines in sixty days, thirty days, shoot, and I don't know, eleven months, you can have a totally clear system. So knowing that the stronger immune system and the stronger your system is, the better it is against viruses. About what about Kyrie retweeting Alex Jones, a known conspiracist, about Sandy Hook didn't happen? The parents are actors, people lost their kids. Yeah. Once again, I don't know if I said it on this show, but social media has destroyed everything because stop talking to the peanut gallery, not that against the black folks are in there, you know, and the whatchus stop listening. The audience is there to listen to you, right, and to sit around and to talk. Just doing things on Twitter can get caught up, right, But let me and it. As soon as I see it, as soon as I'm the biggest Kanye fan, as soon as I see anything with Kanye that is huge and talked about everywhere, I step back and I looked to my right and left. I look around. I go, something's about to happen. Because every time they've used Kanye as an excuse or a distraction, something went down that we were not paying attention to. In this in this present time, they're talking about white Lives matter T shirt, Black lives matters. What he's doing? People going back and forth? Yeah, and what's up? What's next? What are we missing? I think this Africa is upset. There's a war about to happen. There's a straight up war about to happen, not a war like in Afghanistan. We only see it on the news for seven seconds and we go back. This one's a real one. These are white folks against white folks. There's a real war. It's is world war like World War One and World War two. This is this is, this is gonna be land changers. But they're gonna talk about Kanye. Well, Kanye putting that out there. We didn't want to talk about Kanye. You think we like talking about Kanye. Put it out there. Kanye walk with a shirt or everybody walk with a shot. That's exactly. He knows how to be a distraction. He knows how to make you say yay. No, I don't say anything because I think, no, that's not here. No day, I don't keep that much. I know I do it because I watched your show. I was just trying to. But when when Kanye is has changed everything in the twenty first century, he is he is. He is motark. I'm gonna go there. I'm saying that right now. He's a motark. Yeah, but those guys were anyway, Kareem has said some things about Lebron. I noticed that, But Kareem didn't become very critical Lebron until Lebron got started getting closer and closer to that record. He was never critical Lebron. Remember Eric Dickinson, don't like you if you can run, if you get to, if you get yards, don't like it. But but here's the thing. He'd even made it abundant la clear. He like, yeah, I don't want I don't want h about to break that record exactly what to keep. But Kareem is like, y'all, I'm I'm you know, if he if somebody is fortunate enough to break the record, YadA, YadA, YadA, I'm cool with it. And even if you're not, I don't believe you should be dismissive or search for things to say it. Okay, Well this person doesn't see he doesn't seem like he's right, or he didn't say it publicly. Well, I didn't Kareem. I'm old enough to remember how they treated Kareem in the media. He should want not he should not want to be the person who does it. But it wasn't like Kareem was very cooperate with the media. But also that well, that's why he shouldn't want to do that, Like like bruh, they were killing you, yes, killing you. Why would you want to do that to another young cat? Doesn't deserve it? Right, it doesn't deserve it. We mentioned this earlier Draymond in Jordan Pool put your put your thing, because you know, it's like, well, obviously, when did this happen yesterday? It seemed like it seems to me like Draymond is the gatekeeper, like all, like, okay, this is the way we do things here and if someone gets out of line. You know, everybody, every team has a gatekeeper. Everybody has a gatekeeper. What they say, he hit him in his eye for we don't really know because this punch him in his eye and hit him with the ball. Well he put they say, they said, I guess they he struck him, he sucker punched him, or he had him know it. I mean, my thing is, you don't walk Look, you don't walk up on someone if you ain't really trying to squabble this notion like you and you're like you in third grade, and y'all walk up with somebody. You circle around, what you're gonna do, what you're gonna Don't touch me, don't push me, don't cross this line. Right but you grown now different rules apply. If we stepped to somebody, I feel threatened. Thank you, I feel threatened. I'm carrying this situation. I feel threatened, and I'm about to hit your throat. You won't be able to tell anybody what happened. How do you get how do you get past? Okay, teammates fight, Yeah, but this is a bad one. If he if he has a swollen eye, he now is gonna be think about this, Well, he beca't come to it. He can't be on team. He can't. The media can't ever get that because they get the eye. You know that's a mean though. It's a meme. And and your kids can't go to school together. Your girl is gonna be like, yeah, keep talking to me. I'm gonna call Draymond over here. Yeah, you got domestic Violet the house. If you ever get beat to yell, Oh, you talk to me, Craig, you ain't talking about till crazy talk like you're talking to me. You know, I'm saying that man, whoa, whoa? They say, where's all this aggression? You didn't have it for Draymond? Right, you know you rave your boys. You get all big with me. I have nobody. You shouldn't get that the hill so Draymond might get pulled going in there, shoot up the whole place. You get past? I mean, how do you? Because I'm little. For me, I've never really gotten in a fight with a tea one time in my freshman year in college. Uh, and he ended up leaving, you know, basically before the thing was over. And I'm not a fighter. I just like, look, I just want to do my thing Hey, I'm respectful to everybody. Hey, I'm giving your space, you're giving my space. But I ain't no pump. Now you're not fl You're not fin to disrespect me, right, and so if you disrespect me, I got You know, I don't really know how tough I am, Sally, but I'm trying to not let you find out how tough I am. Wow. So I don't really know. I don't know what I'm cable to do. I'm a nice carriage when I got to it. When I got to a ladder from New York, I'm walking in the au Center and this cop sees me. You know, I got my can go on, and you know, I'm like this and you know I'm walking with you know, and he said, hey, hey, And I walked by him and he said, yeah, I talk to you. I said, I hear you. I ain't doing nothing. I turned around and when I turned around, he got this nice stick out. He just hit the back of my pocket. He said, dumb move, pulled my double on seven out. He goes, you're about to run high. I go, hell, yeah, he goes, just run. I ain't gonna do this, but you can't carry this knife. So I'm a knife carry I see that to this day, I couldn't get in here because you know, I respect your security. But but I've been rolling up on me. I'm I'm thinking you're gonna hurt me. Right, that's like if you you know what tech kills. I mean, I've lived in George, so I know what take hill. Yeah, so you probably had to carry wood. It's tech wood. I want you it didn't use a feeling. Yeah, you probably you probably had to have. But if somebody walk up on you, yes, I remember. If we are we got a disagreement going on. Oh man, what you know? If our boss is getting more animated rage, I'm not to just let you walk up on me. Yeah, well you know Pool there's a smooth cat. No, no, bro, you ain't that. No bro, if we if I want to see his eye, I want to see that. Now you're about to make Joe see exactly if there's nothing left but jokes want to see the eye. So now we got to fight every day everything till you just hit him in his eye. You're not going to look me up and help me walking around here looking like the elephant man and we cool? That brought us together? No, it didn't. No, no, hell no, it didn't. I wish I want to see the eye. Now we mentioned Draymond because Draymond played in the eighties. Oh yes, Draymond would have been me and Draymond would have been best I and I loved the bravido. I love the way he plays. But you know, back then, they take if you, if you went, if you were a tough guy, you had to prove it because somebody's gonna step till you. You know, back oh built that reputation and Mahorn them built that reputation. No fine, if you if something happened, you got to fight the rest broke y'all up. They would tell the coach, hey, hey, get them substitutes, and you go sit down, calment the cool down. And then when they felt you were cool enough, you can go back in the game. They have to for you to be in the locker room. We're paying you all this be paying you were paying you ten thousand dollars a year. Let's get in there, switching arrows. Give me some guys that you think could have been the same place. They're great now, but they would be great in your era. Lebron James K. D. Okay, Damon Lillard, Jim Rant, Timon rand is my man. I made my wife watch I say hey only for a second because I don't like you looking at these young kids. Watch this. Okay, I get out of the way. What about Yannis, oh Man, Yannest Yannis would they probably would have been in foul trouble, but Jannis would be an unbelievable player in our deck. And it's funny I listen into different those different podcasts where guys talk about decades like your but arenas and when they talk about guy they didn't realize that old man strength when they elbow you and your third rib and then you and then your top rib knowing why they did that, you know what I'm saying, or knee and you right above your thigh or elbow and you and your here like things that they would do like pointy doing things. And then all of a sudden, you can't do this naturally, right, you get the chicken wing. Now you miss him, like they didn't realize all those nuances in the game. So all the bumps and all the bumps and bruce that they were putting on you was for a reason. Yeah, man, Like it's almost like hitting somebody constantly and over here where the liver resides right. Eventually, you're not gonna want to move your arm to throw a punch right. And if this is your job, it ain't gonna be worth anything because your body is not gonna want to throw it right. This those kind of nuances. But I think I think there's some really one athleticism. You know, people can't say they've never seen No, We've seen David Thompson. We've seen Bana King give fifty two nights in a row. Bana King would give people fifty and shake his shoulders and shoot on the way up. It was amazing. Adrian Danley led the lead in scaring two times. He was six to four so and he didn't jump high right, and he didn't have a long range jump shot. And he led the NBA in scoring. So things like that, like guys would have to understand now it's they were more technical, right. We only have two refs too. There was a different way to play. You played, you go, you leave Detroit, you go to Chicago. What was your expectation when you went to Chicago? And what was it like playing with Jordan one? How did you yea? How the hell did you go that's your okay? Because I don't you know, I'm not a gang member. I don't follow colors you follow, agreed. I was like, I worked for IBM in the Detroit office, the Miami office, the Toronto office, the Chicago office, in the Los angelesof Okay, But I worked for IBM, right, That's that's the way I always was. Okay. Uh The crazy thing is Jerry crowds gard wrested so told me he was gonna take me number nine. So but then you know, they told me they were gonna take me number two to Boston too, that I was landing. So I said, well, at least I'm going to Chicago. I visited three times. Ryan's Off likes me. I still do an event in Vegas every year with Ryan's Off. And I'm thinking, I'm going to Chicago and they take Brad Seller and I'm telling you, I have like thirty seven people in the stands. I'm thinking, I wish I had a dog whistle. We're gonna tear this this place up if I don't get drafted in the first round, right and uh so, so I thought I was gonna be in Chicago. So I told Jerry Krause, and I told h read our back. Every time I played there, I was gonna play like I was playing a home game, and I did every every Boston game. I was trying to give him the business. And in Chicago, if I saw Brad Sellers, who you know, I was cool with, but if I saw him, I wanted to prove they made a mistake on the draft every single time. Hey Mike, One time we played Michael Shannon and he said, yeah, after the game, man, I got to Ferrari. I said, oh, I can't wait to see it. He goes, yeah, he just got out of his deal with Chevrolet so he can drive a Ferrari now in town. And we beat him. In my mom, what happened man? Hanging out with you? You know? Uh So I always just I always looked at it that I was going to work and after you know, I didn't. I didn't. I didn't live and die and live with it that way. But I love Chicago. It was one of my favorite It was my favorite parts of my career. I mean, you look at it. You played with a couple of top seventy five players, You had Isaiah, Joe Doody, You go to Chicago, you played with Scotty and Mike. You go to LA and you got Shock and Kobe. What was it like each stop along the way. Because you got Shock and Kobe early Jordan Pepper with their veteran ball club, they had, you know, already had to you know, the three p they were already established, I mean Jordan probably by the time you got to Joe, Yeah, twelve. Isaiah and Joe they literally trained me and taught me. I learned a lot I still do. Man like Isaiah's I learned from Isaiah every day. I don't talk to Joe that much anymore. But then you get to Michael and Scottie. It was a well oiled machine. And I thought, however they practiced in Chicago's how everybody's pause. I remember going through that practice, and I, you know, I used to think practice was useless on something. I'm better off practicing by myself. Except in Chicago it was. It was it was targeted, and it was it looked like everything was helping you to get better and better and better. And then when I got to the Lakers, man I saw one I didn't really realize how Mammoth shaquill it shack is huge. You don't realize, No, you don't. And then I would hate to have to have played again Shack I did, but I would hate to have to do it as a for a living. Like you know what I'm saying. I'm glad I was at the end of my career because it's it's a hard thing to have to deal with him four times a year. And then Kobe was just turning into this thing. He was turning into this unbelievable copycat of Michael. But you know, tide pluck, tide evergreen, this is what I call it. Like you have tied and tide plus right tide uh uh, Mountain fresh and tie ever Mountain fresh and tide Uh. What would it be y'all? Known as the baby baby s Yeah, Like those are the versions of Michael. But the closest was Covid. It was it was the the best thing about being with MJ is one He smoked good cigars drank Really can you believe that he was able to do that with smoking cigars and drinking as much as he did not he not, He's I'm not saying he's an alcoholic, but he enjoyed. He enjoyed the bread. But but but he the figars, he loved figures. He gonna get, he gonna get three sticks of date. But I mean too, but you don't. You don't. You don't smoke sigardsgard smoke, So you don't Inhale siguys, the cigars just sitting there to feed the spirits and let the Yeah, exactly, you're telling yourself that, Yeah, but you don't. You don't Inhale siguys. You you're Inhales cigarettes and you Inhale uh cannabis, which you should now inhaling cannabis, because I meant to tell you in the way over here, you don't partake in cannabis. You don't. Yeah, you know, you won't live as long as me because of it. But but it's about to be passed, like Biden just decided he was gonna legally push the board legalizing it. I might even vote for Biden. I might start getting me open up me a shop like you did. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You mentioned that you were you were playing against Charles Oakley and he punched you in the stomach, dead man. No, you weren't playing againt him without a comedy show right now, we went to Kentucky Derby. So what happened? So Dave Chappelle walks up with Chris Tucker. He goes out, Michael sitting and here's your man, Michael, right here, right here, right here, right one time? Michael or Kobe which one? And I look at Michael and Oakley's over here. I don't even see him put his glass down and get we inside. I had to boot. It's like all black people in this boot. And I said money at twenty seven, young fella would give you the business. And Oakley came out of nowhere and not all undershanow. When I tell you he hit me, You ever get punched, don't see the punch coming. It's like a quarterback not seeing he's about to get destroyed for the back. He hit me so hard. Man, I'm heavy handed to people. Don't realize how big oaks and Mike was like, you know, sound crazy. He just messed with them. I was like trying to act like I was laughing, trying to find air, and I was like, I give me air, oh man, I should, And it was I'm glad there was no women understanding what I was saying. Just look like boys playing man. I would have had to get one on the eye. Ain't gonna have me laughing. You take my breath away, just like Oakley did with that punch. You you uh lad Bird. You played against like I said, du dude, I mean y'all were in the same same conference, and you played each other so many times, in the Eastern Conference Final, in the in the in the playoffs. They say Larry was more of a trash talker than Jordans. Yes, and me and O. This is the crazy thing. Larry Bird as a black guy, you know, the bleach the skin just so he can, just so he wasn't get in trouble going downtown and because if you heard his diction you would understand the tude. But Matt, but Larry was just the business. Like I saw. I'm so happy on TikTok TikTok. Somebody put other Larry Bird pieces and then you can ask magic. He didn't miss those big shots went in right, those big plays he made right. He said. It was disrespectful for you for the opposing coach to put a white player on him and say you disrespect him, and you disrespect him my game to not to give me. Yeah, I want all the smoke and then he was gonna talks man and sound like it. And that's how I knew that he was passed on Blanc. He was passive for White. He was just passive. Is that why him and Doc got into it? Say he was talking, he was talking. He was talking to Doc. He said, you're old man. This is my lead. Now, this is my lead. Take the three with you. And he would say, he would say, side, you better get help, you, you better ask for help. And then no, I want on him. I got him, I got him draws. I'm like, oh, somebody about to get n't take this. I'm a foul him. This is really good kanyact. I'm not that I'm surprised. I'm pleasantly surplied. I'm pleasant. I'm not angry surprised. I can't believe it. You know what, I got one for you? I want you to give me your all time starting five, but your former teammates who wo so somebody to go get left off this day? I got Brian Shaw. I've never done this. Okay, what do you mean the guys I like to hang out with now you're all times. I need you to give me your starting five or your former teammates starting five. Yeah, oh, I'm not in there. I'm coaching. I mean, you want to put yourself in there, but I don't know why you would do that. But okay, I'm coaching. You asking five around me? You mean four others? I would have Shaquille, Bill lamb Beer okay, Dennis Rodman Okay, Kobe Bryant. Oh oh oh, I that Kannak made me think about feel like I'm on drink. Champs hold on, Sakil, Kobe, Kobe, Isaiah, Isaiah, Michael, Michael, Dennis Rodman. Okay, let me tell you what would happen? What would what would their record be? They would their record would be? Would they be would they be Golden State? They seven people punched in the face. This is why Michael is not going to pass the ball. Okay, Kobe is not going to pass the ball. Isaiah, depending on the day, is going to tell you who is going to get the ball. Okay. Dennis is going to play the toughest defense on whoever the other big is, and Shaquill's gonna be in the middle. So and I'm glad we did that. When people put teams together, you have to put when when when I developed a human. I'm sorry when God developed a human. Same difference when God developed a human. And let's just talk about the spine. Right, there's bone and then there's this. Both of them are important, right, But you can't have all bone, right because now you have to get it fused and you have no no ability to be flexible. Right, so you need Draymond Green to snap, snap snap. Only get six points, five rebounds. But this guy only got four points and he thinks he after listening to Draymond, He's gonna go home and ask his wife. Is all that true what Draymond was saying on the court, right, he's got it unwinded, right, So it's just hard to have one basketball and guys who have to have the basketball on the same team. Is Isaiah the greatest player you've ever played with? I think? So? I think? Did you not play with Michael? Did you not play with Shaggy Kobe? Yeah? What da? What happened? Isaiah was six feet tall, two time champion, five MVP, twelve time All Star, two time All Star Game MVP, all time all NBA. Yeah, I think Michael was the greatest. I say that, and he knows why I say that. Just pissed him off. I used to say to him, money, these people you're messire. I say it, in two thousand years, In two thousand years, they're gonna be worshiping like they're gonna be Jesus who like you're the beside. Yeah, he was like, shut up side, and I go, dog, think about it. Some people literally worship their whole lives and have everything based upon you, And if they met you, you wouldn't talk to him, you wouldn't say anything, so like you'd be like yo, security. But some people are like stuck in that piece. And I said that. I would say to uh James Worthy, I said, can you believe the way they treat Michael. He goes, yeah, skinny little Michael. They actually like skinny little Michael. It is the best player there. Because when we were in college, he was just skinny. You know, we would laugh about it. We laugh about it was Mike Jordan. Yeah, it was like yeah, yeah, you know he was when he went and tried it out. It was Clyde Drexon was going at him. This person was going at him, and then he just he turned into like this unbelievd like little Wayne. When he was part of the Hot Boys and then he turned into weezy. But the thing, you've been around him, I've never seen anything like Mike. The aura around him. The man is like he levitating Eddie Murphy. He I've never Eddie Murphy. I've never been around Eddie. I've been around some famous actors and actresses and seen some famous people, but Jordan is like Jordan levitate. Yeah, yeah, he changed it. You know. It's so funny too, because you you you you based everything upon Michael Jordan. Even Tom Brady is based upon Michael Jordan. Right, he's the Jordan the football. Yeah, he's the Jordan the basketball. Yeah, that kind of stuff. What was the other cat? So I did a a friend of mine and say his name, you know, wanted to meet Beyonce. Uh. And it's right before September eleven, and we're at this at this event in New York, and so I introduced Beyonce to him and she got hi, and she go, John, I want to meet Michael Jackson. I said, I felt different. I said that I felt different. I didn't know he was in Like he literally changed the molecules in the room, right, Michael Jordan does the same thing. Yeah, I begged him to go out with us in Philadelphia. We go out. We're going the back way. We spoke as the guards in the joint and the owner of the start of the club come and go Michael Jordan and my club. Cut the music off and turn the lights on. He wanted everybody to see Michael Jordan's in his club. I'm telling you, he changes the way people move. His His new wife is is the bomb too, because her making him do normal things. Yeah, it's dope. It's good for him. You know, it's kind of crazy because he's very isolated early on. I mean he didn't really do anything. He didn't do I mean really anything publicly. No. We were in Monte Carlo and uh Mob's Hagler was, you know, he moved to Italy and he was in Central Peg and he saw Michael and Mike was more impressed to seeing U Marvin Hagler than they were just happy to talk to one another. And then we were walking in the street and I go, how you like this? He goes, No one's bothering me. I go, because you don't you make less than them. We're in Monte Carlo, Like, bro, you you you're not making anywhere close to this money right here, so him, you know, I took it for granted because I can go anywhere, and I can go anywhere, and then I don't y'all know who I think I am. I supposed to be up front, but he can't go anywhere. So it's it's do you think he's the most recognizable person in the world used to be? Who you think it is now Kanye West? If I'm if I'm wrong, That's why I told you he's brilliant. He is brilliant. I would have said. The only people that could probably rival him, and as far as face recognition probably Christiano Ronaldo. No, uh no, probably Messy. No, they're just soccer players. They gotta have their jerseys are Nah, people know them. I guarantee you that man got five hundred million followers. I haf a billion, Kanye got six billion dollars. No, you do realize like most like Elon Musk, music trans sends everything. So you think you think Kanye' is more recognizable than Jordan, Messi or Renaldo right now? Like some people didn't know Michael Jordan played basketball now, but you know what he or Tiger when Tiger was at his hip. You don't know what Tiger looked like. Now Tiger got a limp. You know what I'm saying. I ain't gonna say nothing mean shanity. Wait, he ain't got that walk anymore. He doesn't, you know, he doesn't show up in those spots anymore. He's downplaying it, trying to you know, he's letting everything die down before Tiger strikes back. He's ready to prop You think he could. You think we'll ever see one more glimpse of what he gave us a couple of years ago at the Masters. If Tiger got into hot yoga, this is true statement. If Tiger got into yoga, he'd be back and be hot yoga. He'd be back to the Tiger we knew, because every other distraction got in tiger life got in the way. So once he centers himself, he's unstoppable. Are you sad? Are you disappointed? Or upset? Sad? I guess sad. It's a better choice of words to see how it's playing out between Scotty and Michael. Did you ever think it? Did you ever think it would get to this? Because I thought I always think mine. I thought it was I thought they were cool. I thought they were clowning. I thought they clowned you know, he's clowning it. You know, Michael clowns him and stuff. Right. I think the last dance did this because Jordan said something the last dance because if it's the first of all, Michael won't say anything. He didn't say to your face. But no, but here's the thing. If why would you put Scotty not Jordan, you weren't there. Why would you put Scotty not going into the game in ninety four when you weren't there? Why would you put that in your documentary? It's like me, I got something, but I'm gonna put something that's not that's not pleasing to John in my documentary. What the hell? You look like? I gotta do it? Did I do it? This is the deal. Scotty was wrong in ninety four. Yes, and this was part of the story on how Tony Kucko got to it and how but that was that that didn't last, that that ain't by part of the Jordan's story. Jordan went on the team. Well he also didn't edit it, but you know, you know, just exactly they had to say, Yeah, he got he got final safe. He goes some Cutton no shoe hell Jordan has saying that he did, Hey you and shouting I'm gonna tell you right now, you had the best interview with Lamar Oldham, period and period. Lad almost had it. Lad almost had that interview. The boy didn't. He didn't show up. I'm telling you you had the best interview. Appreciate that. Lamar he said seriously, he said no to everybody else but you and felt comfortable telling you his truth. You're not how crazy that is? Yeah, I wish you would have want to cut something out and I was, and I was a producing on here. I'd be shouting, you know, you're right, We're gonna cut it out, and then I'll have somebody go get you drunk while we put it on the air. I could say sorry to you. After we get the points the Lakers. You go to the Lakers, after you stared with the bulls. The Lakers basically signed you the baby shit babysit shot. Now you guys, I mean you do have some familiarity, both of you adults mgat side five the purplely Gold. Yes, this is the deal. That's not that's that's how I got in. Okay, I did you know I'm I don't know if you noticed, but I'm I'm a psychic. So I literally was watching like old, yeah, we're gonna put I had put over. I was a psycho. I caught Field and I gonna dog, you ain't gonna let these two guys not win a championship. And I had no idea he was negotiating with the Lakers, right, So I had to play it off like, well, you know, I know the inside, so you better put me. I had to. I realized I tapped in at the right time, and so I had to act like, Okay, you're going in. You're gonna need me because I do this. And my job wasn't to babysit. It was literally, Field believes in vets, and I said, I lived five doors from shot. He listens to me. He's one of my favorite people on the planet. When I needed money financially, Kat hit me down. And when I was like, I'm gonna pay you back, it don't pay me back. I was like, damn, like this, leave some money. You gonna pay me back? Oh yeah, I know that's right. I'm hurt your eyes and uh, but when you I was sitting there and I would do this the shot. I knew that, I knew the offense. I thought the offense was beautiful, and so you know, TEXT loved that I knew the offense. Loved that I loved he literally wrote the book and then autographed it to me. I knew the words and why it worked, a new other nuances of it. And so I would just stand behind Shack when I'm guarding him. But he would say something and Chat would go to make a move that everybody would make. I go, don't move. He knows you're gonna make that move. Let this happen because this person is not knowing what comes after this. And this Shack would listen. And then Shack said, why can't I just post up right here? I said, you can, but wait till late in the gate. Things like that. And then we went to Boston and me and Shaq's uncle, we we got to go out. Shack couldn't go out. Shack could go out, but we got to go out. Besides that, I think it's mostly energy. The reason I've been on teams that one championship is I bring a better energy. I'm a teammate, I'm a I'm a hard worker. I make sure like hey, man, we gotta be on the bus at this time. That that constant tick on what we have to do. Those are kind of things I get to. Yeah, you saw me over CJ with my eye watering. Somebody must have plenty earlier. No, so what happened Saturn is I got radio. I went and got my eyes operated on because I ain't want to show you how big my glass. Yeah, and then you tell your Vegan though I thought, Vegan, don't getting don't get anything wrong, No, no, no, no, ever I had this was bad eyesight since I was in green and I know my daughter said that too. I wish better. Carro team was really the only thing that would help my eye. I didn't see so much bad stuff my eyes watering, and and and literally I got when I got poked in the eye. It kind of messed it up. Somebody my tear duck keeps watering. They told me that's a part of the illuminati too. That's what they said on the internet. That's why I said everything on the internet. Boy, I was saying, I didn't even know why what's happening? Longf I know, we see what happened last week with the situation in Boston. I made Idoka. Do you believe he'll ever coach? I made Idoka? Oh really, Udoka? I made Eudoka. Don't make me make jokes Adoka Udoka. Do you believe he'll coach again? No? Hell's no. So why they so? Why they do this to my own? Were gonna suspending for the season and then we're gonna reevaluate. Why not go? You know the real reason I think they wanted. Normally in a situation like this, when they have, you know, the gout, normally come there and says I'm resigning, you know, blah blah blah, and they're hoping he resigned, then you don't have to pay the money. He's like, no, not. If somebody resigned, you gotta pay it. Yeah, So why don't you just resly to get your money, because then they're gonna invoke the moral club, which means they don't have to pay. And if I suspend you, I don't have to. They ain't police officers. Right, he ain't gonna suspend you with pay. Right, You're not gonna kill a black guy. Jesus, you're not going on the minut straight League. Yet you didn't kill a black eye. Come on, So that's what they're gonna do. They're gonna suffering, and we're gonna let you have to deal with this, that you have to sleep with this, Let you have to go with this the whole day. Could they have lived differently? No, No, they had They had to say we suspended. They don't believe in any of any of the things that's happening until I know for sure when they come out with this is what happened. My my heart goes out to my friend Nia because she don't want to be known for this, right, She don't want to be known for the girl. She don't she's an actress, she's a director, she's a mom. It's a bad bitch. Yes, she don't want to be that's the thing Nia wants to be known for. So I know that pistol Off at that piece. I've been around it since the eighties, right, Well, I'm sorry Nia, since the two thousands when she was only seventeen eighteen. No, but I've been around it for a long time, and I think that however it is, they thought of the way to literally twist the knife constantly and let you die slow. But there's no reason to ever let him be a coach somewhere else. Well not. I mean that's a that's an unforgivable no. Now, everywhere you go as a coach, that's all you're gonna be known for it. That's why they suspended him. So this can constantly soak and soak and fester and fester and fester. What about what if he goes to college? What college? What booster is going to sit down and want you to stand next to his man. It's hard for me to believe that I made Doka, did the worst thing ever for a coach, and he can't get another job. I feel sorry for you not knowing it. Well, you know, you'd be better off giving Brett father ebt card. He probably got a bunchet old. He got a bunchet old. He got a bunch of got a bunchet old, a bunch of Bernard TVs Bernard, Bernard Bernard phone. Oh my god, that's not gonna make it. But that was funny. Let's talk about let's talk about that Bad Boys Piston team. And you mentioned obviously Isaiah. You had Joe Dumars, you had Mohorn for one of the championships, you had yourself, you had Lambert, you had Worm and Dennis Rodman. What made that team so special? James Edwards, Ny MacGuard. One year you had Dai. Did you win the championship with Dane? Did you know we got cheated out here with the Lakers? They called the fake foul and they did, they did, and they did that. They had a witch doctor at the game in game six and threw it at Isaiah's ankle. I'm telling you, man, I hadn't been in some some spirits going around. I no, A d taught me everything though. That was that was the best. We named him teacher, the best teacher for three years. And I've had great coaches, right. My teachering came from add and agent. Daddy. Still love you, bro, and you have that you what I said and I watched now when I listened to you, there's no vets, right, And if there are vets, I'm not saying all of y'all, but my vets. Knowing I was going, Rick Mahorne knew they brought me in to take his spot. He still taught me and gave me technique. He knows it. Eventually, you're you know, you gotta know that the next guy is coming in and but why are you here you're gonna play right, you better be good at this because we need to be good across the board. And that's the way I looked at it, and I would and I think about it. Man, some people don't realize in this world, these are fortune five hundred guys that's supposed to work together. It's hard to work together. So what makes you a champion? Or how I think is all you guys, you're gonna you saw what happened even with y'all. When money gets involved, it messes everything out. Yeah, it mess the team up. It messes everything. Eut if money was not involved, if you can get your money and no one knows how much you got, if you had to play hard, boys, it be unbelievable. Do you believe that's a best responsibility because a lot of people don't feel that it's not my job to get hit, you know, to get him ready, or to give him this or to do that. I felt it was my job to help the younger players, even though a lot of I mean I didn't really have a whole lot of guys, but some guys, some of the when I was a wide receiver, guys like Mark Jackson, Guys like Mark Vans Johnson. They helped me. Yeah, but I felt that in turn it was my job to get the other Titans when I moved switched positions to get them ready. Do you feel that's a best obligation. Yeah, you have to. If you don't teach him that he shouldn't be on the squad, it'd be like, I know, I don't know if you know anything about gang warfare. I don't. I don't. But but what I did was make think but but just think about it. If you were in the army, yes, you would have to teach that person everything to survive and be worthy of the guy behind you. Right, the marine mentality, you know, so that if Marie, if the young guy comes in the marine, the older marine is gonna teach him how to be a better marine. Right, skip some of the pitfall so you don't like so you don't run in or falling those rights. And I think it's it's supposed to be. I think you teach him too. Enhances you because if you're showing somebody like a Keem used to show people his movie, right, the more he practiced you. But you gotta be really secure to do that. Yeah, you gotta be really secure. Yeah, but you're right. We understand. We understand there's a lot of guys in the wrong place though, and that that those are not winners. I don't look at him as winners. You guys chase the Boston Celtics for years, that Big Three with Parish Bird, McHale, that had DJ, that had I mean, you guys chased him for for a long long time. When you finally got over the mountain, then you had to deal with the Lakers and to get and to get because you couldn't get to the Lakers until you got past the Celtics. And when you got past the Celtics and then you got like damn and know what it was, Man, if your conspiracy theorist like I am, you would, I'm telling you, some things would happen, and I would just turn around and go, Okay, that's the way it's gonna be. Give example, we play against the Lakers, and we've we got him beat, we're all in shot, we gotta beat and Isaiah looking and we're all looking, and he grabs the ball, take it out and out of nowhere, Live Bird accepts the ball and throws into DJ. Now there's no way in history could that too have happened right in that sequence. I was like, that has to be something else out of us. I was like, what Avdel just got kills with the ball. He was trying to get in and try to get it in bounce before you get can sit their defense, and he made trying to throw it the Bill because Bill was a good fashion right, but gods never take the ball out, and Bill usually and Bill taking the ball out, he throws the Isaiah exactly. So it was it was just a twist, and I was like, I don't how does that happen? And then the next year when we beat him, we get here and Isaiah twists his ankle. I go out. Of all the times in the world, eighty eight, right, because in eighty seven we can't get by, And then in eighty eight we get here and we got these lakers. Oh my god, we had him. So it was so nice. It was so messed up. Shadowed my brothers and I went to the comedy store and I had rented a card. It was a white Mercedes bands. They pulled me over on Lastaanica made me get out and sit on the curb nineteen eighty eight, sit on the curb until we check all the card. He goes, oh Detroit. Uh license kept me there? He said, uh, they we're gonna keep you out here for a couple of hours. And I said, hey, you know curfew? Is that what he said? What time's curfew? I mean, why did you put it out? Why did you say, you know, if you keep you a little longer, you go miss curfew. Why would you say that because I didn't have curfew? But I said, well, hope you say you got curfe just like eleven thirty right, you know. You know. He was like, oh, you're gonna miss curfew. And I was like, okay, so no, he gonna keep me there till about ten more minutes. No, and I can't get to the brainer. This is the crazy thing that was the police officer loving the Lakers. It was you know, you had to watch where you eat. Like. It wasn't just the Lakers, it was the referees living Ladera and live in the valley. They ain't flying in, they driving to work. So I had to play against the Lakers the police officers, and I was like, this is just too much. It was too much. But then when we finally got him, which is another the thing I thought Byron Scott messed up his hand. String man, string, I mean I started walking sof I was stretching my hand. Did like when you when you guys finally got over the mountaintop, did you realize what you had done? That you basically had ended the Celtics Big Three? You you guys ended it? Did you know you guys were doing that? Did you know? Did you know they weren't gonna be what they were ever? Again? No, this is how scary this was. After we won the championship. I remember we came back getting off the plane. It's whatever. I went to practice the next day. It was about five of us there shouting we forgot we won the championship, Like we showed up to go to work. Hey, what you're doing here? Side? I was like, oh, I just couldn't get something out my locker. Sadly nothing in your locker that I was so still in my brain. I have to go to practice tomorrow. I got this is the regiment. This is even winning it didn't feel real to me. It didn't feel done. So when we knew we were top of because think about it, they were older, right and going to and going to the finals every year and going to going to the Eastern Conference Finals and going to the NBA Finals every single year. Now, when I was going to be a Celtic, right that they told me, Red told me he was gonna draft me, I would come out. I would go to camp there, I would, I would. I just knew I was gonna be a Celtic. And I would be in the locker room and Larry would talk to me and he'd be in ice up to here, ice here, ice on the shoulders, ice on his neck, ice around his back, and he was sitting there like frozen, you know, talking giving a part interview. And I'm coming out of you know, in college, I don't the only thing I have ices in in my in my gatorade. You know, you don't do all yo. You don't think you're like man I so far? Oh hen about four years and you realize like I looked. I looked at the ice punge bathtub yesterday, just just just to be out there. What are you gonna give him the hot I was sitting in that cold water all day right now, How different rest his soul? How different would the Celtics have been if Lynn Bias had lived? Yeah, that was my man' I was cau you played against him in college. Right. I've been with Lenn since we were fifteen. We meet Johnny Dawkins and Lenny Bias. We're all gonna go to the same school, Okay, Instead we all went to the same conference because Johnny went to Duke, you went to Tech. He went to Maryland. And this is why, because we were all gonna go to Maryland. Okay, But Lefty really only won it Lenny, Okay, he was like, y'all ain't as good as the guys. I got around here and told me I was gonna have to go behind it, and Johnny wanted to start, and I wanted to start right, so I those are promises. Lenny was literally the business. And and they said what would have happened with him coming in against Michael was funny? He would have been it would have been different. But then I started paying attention. Where was Lenny go on to play on the Celtics? That that that once I got to that part and started seeing it, DJ, it was already corn bread and and McCay going up. So that's power for it. Right. Larry's playing small for it, and he refuses to take any time off it was just it would have been a hard, hard transition. They could put it, they could pull leaning at the two. Yeah, but I'm telling you he was unbelievable the ACC conference all the time. Yeah, you knew he was the real deal. We went, we were camp Billy it was a guy named Billy Thompson play for the Lakers too. He was, yeah, number one pick, and uh, We're in camp at five star basketball camp. And then I come to Lenny. I said he had cut. I said, man, what happened? They said, they said you had you had to go into town. He said, I took the times in the town first, like he said, gave him numbers, and then he hit me in the side of my head side, so I had to get stitches. He's like, number one pick, like that's all he had in his brain. Right. Yeah, he was. He was in touch. He was a good brother, man, good brother. So you talk about the bad boy Pistons and how you guys played Michael and you know, they wrote a book. Stand Smith wrote a book, and I guess he got some commentary from you and some of the other Pistons. What was Chuck Daily rest his soul? What was his philosophy? How did you like this? You know what is not doing this today against us? Oh? When I was Joe, Joe Dumars other but with Chuck and and Isaiah and Bill and Joe Dumars and them, they would just sit around. And Chuck's assistant Ronnie Rothstein at one time, Karl Malone, I mean Coach Malone and uh Kar Malone and Brendan Sir. They just figured, if you watch enough film, he passed about one percent bought than Kobe. And we know Kobe didn't pass, so we knew that if he started going downhill toward the basket, he was not gonna find an open man. He's not gonna because he didn't trust him. Right. So if he's dribbling with his left hand, keep keep him dribbling, keep him going that way. And then as soon as he puts his right hand on it, Joe gets back in front of him. Everybody get back to your man, and if he can shoot over Joe good. But it was that mentality. Everybody thought we were supposed to hit him. He wasn't supposed to hit him. The deal is inside the lane. When men played in the NBA, you you me and play. Oh, they don't play that style of mall anymore. Oh no, it's detrimental to the to the broadcast. But when when you run into that situation when somebody comes in the lane, everybody knew you got hit when you went in the lange. Yes, that was that was just the way the game was played, and the and the really the Celtics were the dirty words. We were not dirty. They called us bad boys, but we were dirty. I don't think so, Yo say y'all were dirty. I mean the way y'all didn't come on man, man, you bird go up up it. Lamb Beer had no intention whatsoever blocking the shot. The man went up and he come out on the man head. If we if I know this is a podcast, so we can't afford the footage, but listen. If you see goes up, Dennis Robin's leg gets caught and he's fallen, which pulls Larry down, which pulls Bill down. And Bill thought, Larry, I mean Larry thought Bill had done that. And think about it. He punches them two times in the face and throws the ball at him, and the ref goes, Larry, Larry, here's another ball, Throw another ball out of it. You know what I'm saying it's playing against him and Magic. You had too many, too many people, But I think they were the bad ones. And this is the deal. You look at the muscles, right, I played against football players, Oh yeah all the time because they thought, yeah, if we played basketball, stage shape and we're gonna run your skinny ass over. So I didn't see it the way everybody else. You get out of the way of people trying to do that. You use your athleticism there as much has been made, I don't care what anybody sins. Isaiah Thomas should have been on that ninety two dream team. I say so too, But where Stocking stop? I listen you talking to the number one Isaiah defender. I think I lost jobs defended as that. Oh look when when you guys like, okay, all the time that you guys had beaten Michael. Michael was gracious enough in defeat to shake everybody's hand. But what I told well, but what I told people, it wasn't Isaiah that started. It was the Celtics. That's right. They actually did not shake you guys head when you finally meat nel they left the court. Go back and look at that footage. Yeah, but they don't this once again. No one wants to hear the truth, like the truth, the truth. I wan't enough to remember I saw it. The truth messes up the story. So I tell you this, though I knew it was a bad idea, but Bill Lambill said, hey, let's hand it to him like they handed out something. I gotta give it to Bill. That's the way it had to be. And and you know what, I'm on a on a team chat with the Pistons. I'm not rid of any other players because we still had this like you know, we ride together, we die together type that. Do you believe? Do you believe? That's the reason why Isaiah wasn't on the Dream Team was because he didn't shake Scotty and Michael in the guy's hands. And that because they keep saying, well, it wasn't Michael. It seemed to me and that fault called it. Michael made it abundantly clear. Yeah I'm gonna play, but such and such can't play. But Michael didn't say it. Remember, I think in Magic's documentary he said he had something. He did it. I tell you this, Why would Magic do that? Magic beat? No? No, I didn't, I didn't. All of it was total misunderstanding, and I know Michael didn't say it. And this is why everybody loves Isaiah's game, right everybody. So I don't I don't think that they were plays. I think Magic was talking about when he was he and I Zia wasn't talking and that kind of thing. I don't know if that was the idea and if they could use that Larry Bird magic, you know Isaiah thing, they could, But let me tell you, I've looked at the squad. Isaiah would have outshine. He was short, He had to smile that he was going to have the ball this time. As far as haling the rock right, he was gonna have They in the NBA had to sell the new team they had. The new team was Karl Malone and John Stockton to the point where you know, God rest his soul. David Stern didn't. When we want our checking championship, Rod Thorne gave us our rings because David had to be in China with with Utah Jazz. Like it was. It was bigger than what we knew it was about. And I think that's why they did it that way. You were the glue gut on a lot of teams. Yeah, kept the locker room together. You kept the locker room loose. Role players are very, very important. Obviously, the stars get all the credit, rightfully, so they do the lion's share of the lifting. They get lion's share of the blame when things doesn't go well, they get lion's share of the credit when things do go well. But if the guys like yourself, I was, I was a little better star. I was a little but but I was a guy that kept the things going. I was a gate keeper. Was the guy that kept the guys lose, kept the guys laughing, and but make sure everybody was where they supposed to be and how they were supposed to do it. How important do you think your role was in the success that you had on every team? Detroit, Chicago, La. Oh it was, and don't oversee it. Priceless. Don't oversee it. The reason I tell you it's priceless is, you know, I didn't know what mental health was, right. I just thought I was crazy, right, you know, and adventurous, And so I had guys like Willie Burton, who is now a part of the NBA Player Association Retired Players mental health situations. I had Glenn Rice, who from Flint, Michigan was so laid back and pulled back, and and you know, we would go to the movies because you know, he didn't he didn't want to be around no girls. He was married with kids, and he didn't want to He wanted to go to movies. We would go to the movies. Do you know we in Houston, you know, do you know what goes on? You know? So I was around some guys and I got it. I remember Devin George had come in and he's older than Kobe, and Kobe's Kobe's rookie, and you know, I was like, hey, I can do something with you. Yeah, And I took him to a place and we got a facial and he was like, what yeah, well those black bumps are not freckles. I was saying, like, there's teaching things you have to do to bring guys in. There's times where hey, yo, man, let's go to the movies. Seven of us, not to strip joint. Let's go, let's go eat nine of us, which is never a pro team going to eat and laughing and giggling and going. Like when I was on the Lakers, we won nineteenth straight and then we would try it again and we were doing yoga on Wednesdays and like just being around people and caring for that person, knowing that you know what they said in a few good men, would you put your life on the line and expect him to do the same for you that that that takes, that takes something You're gonna You're gonna be the star gets all of the credit and all of the blame. Right, he gets to take the last shot, Thank god, because if you take the last shot, they'd be like, why are you to throw the ball to here? You know, so that's they have the of all of the weight of everything. So somebody gotta be able to helped him out. You have to have a robin to batman. How are you able to get the uh? How are you able to audition for Bad Boys? And I heard you only received seven hundred bucks. I had last I didn't even audition. I went in and I pissed Martin off because I went there. He was in town, he was in Miami, and he introduced me to his new fiance and I was like, hey, how are you doing? Oh she fine, dash fine, you got a pre nup. Martin was mad. We get up and we walk into you no. He's like, man, why are you through that in front of my girl and all my friends? Like what you're doing? Man? You know you sound man? You gotta you gotta get you gotta get a filter. And I was like, get a filter, like you better get a pre dup. And he did and he thanked me, and he thanked me. So I get in and he's mad at me, and I'm like, sorry, man, but you know how I am man. You know she'd be okay, get a pre nup and and I went upstairs and Michael Bay had directed my Nike commercial, heard him yelling and screaming, and he asked me, was I sag? And I was like, yeah, I sag. You know whatever that is? You know what I'm saying. And I had literally was a part of sad because I did commercials in Detroit with Chrysler, but I didn't know what that was. So he gets me in and then it's four hundred and four hundred and seventy six dollars and I don't even get it because it goes to my sag. Dudes. But I was just happy to be in a movie. I had been prepared my whole life to be an actor that your first movie. You were in the first movie. But I my whole life, I was preparing to be an actor. I had. I kept saying my daughter, Taya, who's nineteen, what are you going to take? If you want to be an actor? Why not? I wanted to be a doctor. I wanted to be a doctor. Did you actually know what you wanted to be when you grown up? Which one are your first? Okay? Want to be a doctor. I wanted to be a doctor. Okay. And then I went into the hospital. It was funny. One job Mark Price and I had in summer was to go and make sure that this cabin that there's a huge cabinet. This guy had was okay, that was our job. In other words, go hang out for the weekend. And he was a radiologist, and I go, what do you do? And he goes, oh, you know X rays and MRIs and and we got radiology and all that different machine. How much you make, Oh, I make two thousand dollars an hour. It's nineteen ninety four, eighty four. So I automatically wanted to be yea, yeah, I wanted that's my job like this, and you're not an athlete. That's exactly what I said, like, I'm coming in your joint. So I wanted to do that. But then I went to Georgia Tech in business and uh, then I went into architecture at Georgia Tech. Then I got out of that, finished with the business degree, and I'm constantly learning. Bro I was in Egypt for eleven days. I'm about to go to Belize for eleven days. I was in Costa Rica for twenty eight days. I mean, when you these places, so, what are you doing? Is they're like a retreat or you like the holistic? I mean, what are you you? You you're finding who John Sally is? Oh, it's a traveling I say, I was gonna do a job. I literally go to find out true. So like so, I'm a certified health coach Vegan. I can prescribe or literally know what herbs work on certain parts of your body. I I'm I do yoga, I breathe, I understand things. I'm gonna hope you're breathing. Yeah man, yeah, I don't know pr yeah yeah, but I know how to try to extend my life. That's if you ask me what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to extend my hollow you want to live. My mother lived in ninety six, and I just went to the funeral of a friend, Jack, who lived in ninety eight. My uncle just turned ninety four a couple of weeks ago. Why you want to live at Longe just so I can outlive it. You want to be brag you want to brag it right, I live along the hill. I live like it when I get back, and then when I get to the other side, they'd be like, you stupid boy. We was over here chilling with all these girls. I don't know, man, I think I wanna I love life. And I went to h Sri Lanka. I told my daughter this in twenty seventeen. I was in Saint Martin and she and I were sitting on the patio looking at this beautiful place, smoking a Dubie abduced is twenty two, and I said this, You're never gonna see this again. Because they said the hurricane was coming. I said, this is about I said, they don't really. I said, this is gonna be really big. We're on the last flight out of Saint Martin before it destroys the place. And then she and I go to Sri Lanka and we're there for eleven days, and I'm thinking this is way better than when I was visiting the India. Now you can't go to Sri Lanka. So life is fleeting, bro, and I just like to I love it and I try to keep it going. You look at Martin and do you like Willis Mill did Chris rock when you talked about that, talked about it, talk about get the pre nub. That's been really sad. I would uh, It's so funny. When I watched you and you said you wish he wouldn't hit you, you would have responded, Man, at what at what place? At what? At what have you ever been? A black man can slap another black man? He just like and carry over. I don't even want to answer that. But I feel Chris did the complete right thing. Yeah, Chris, Chris did. Chris did not me, and I'm gonna do the wrong thing. I'm gonna whip his ass, I know. But then you know he had on his good shoes. You missed one slip, then you're embarrassing. But that probably about mean. Look, I get people go through a lot of things, and people he probably got a lot of stuff on his mind and stuff like that. I get it. I get it. We all got stuff. We all got stuff that you know. Man Hey said it, if he wouldn't hit you, you wouldn't you have you able to grab him? And said, bruh, Well, first of all, when you say you here's the thing, Sally, you know, don't lean forward when somebody no, no, if you you making a joke and you see somebody get up and walk from a distance and they start, I've already thought, okay, he gonna hit me, so there's no other thing. He ain't gonna whispering in my ear. Nah nah, But you let the man walk up on you. We just said walk upon you. White food got a big eye right now. So I don't know you, but Shatton is making me make those jokes. You you acted with Whoopie Goldberg, she got a movie coming out teal By the Imatial Store, Kevin Harts and No Lathan. Who haven't you worked with that you would like to work with? Kill shot shot? I think it would be funny. Yeah, yeah, you think us two big tall people. I did a movie called The Ultimate Christmas Present when I was a seventh foot elf and I thought it was funny, right, And I think because you know, I just think it would be a funny thing. If I was one actor I could work with, it would be The Rock or Kevin Hard because they get movies made right. And to the point where The rockets a movie. I think he got four movies a year for the next five years. Like this cat gets movies made. When they say, hey, this is what we're gonna do and they sign off, they make that movie, right. So that's somebody I would love. I mean, they have that kind of work load. Yeah, yeah, it's it's busy, but if that's what you want to do. Like, I never ever had practice. Everybody was like, man, you went to practice. I never had practice, right, I was gonna do that whether I was at practice or not. I was gonna play and try to try to dog somebody. So I love doing what I do. I've never had it. You're you're great friends with Eddie Murphy. Mike Tyson used to I used to hang when I came my head with Eddie. Wasn't Eddy like because he seemed like he real quiet, he real like like he's so funny. Yeah he's quiet and it's funny you do something? Is he like that? I know what he's like on stage? I know what he's like on camera, but sometimes when people are off camera, they're not on stage, they're not like what they are on stage. Your own camera. How is he when he's Eddie Murphy but they're no there's no cameras around, just him hanging out with this home. Oh he was calm, laid back. I took Isaiah to his house, right, So I said, Yo, you gotta you gotta come over here at me. Eddie Man so me and Billy Diamond, so we get it was the first time I meet Heavy D, Heavy D and I became best friends instantly, right, and so Heavy's over there and he looks at and he goes, you're not that much taller than me. He goes, come on. He puts chess and Isaiah looked at me and ahead Eddie beats him in three moves. Isaiah looks at me. I said, man, you better cut that out. Put him back. And now Isaiah gets his competitive way he is. He said, Uh, what else I aint gonna play in basketball? I got a bowling alley. Let's go. I got a pool. I gotta I gotta table. I got a pool table. Let's go. You got dice. Isaiah was on it instantly like I ain't letting you beat me, bro. So that was you know, if they would have had paper and pen, it would have been tik tac toe. I loved that about Eddie and then Mike Man. Mike was so deep younger when he wasn't doing drugs and wasn't he was being pulled by all these different people. He was so young. It was so happening. But life was, like I said, it was moving so fast. You wake up, you in it. You wake up You're still in it. You wake up you in it. So but Mike has become an unbelievable philosophy. I went to see him in prison, did you Yeah? I was one of the people went to see him in prison. I'm gonna give you, but I'm gonna give CJ the picture so you can see it. How did up kid from New York end up in Atlanta at Georgia Tech? All right, very simple one. I had the grades. You know that player? Uh? I did I visit? You visit? I get on the plane, the Lanta Hawks get on. They in first class, and you know, I'm like anybody, I'm just staring at him. They get on the plane. I win number twenty. I want to wear number twenty two. John Jews right there. He don't even know that I know who he is. He ain't even carrying his bag. Some rookies carrying his bag. I'm like, oh, that's pimp. I get off. It was a black flight attendant. A guy with a red jacket met me. Black. We get downstairs. The coach picked me up, Coach Felton, he's white. The guy to grab my bag is black. I get out to the wich, called he's black. I get to the hotel downtown. The lady behind the cash and big beautiful places black. I get upstairs, called my mother, So I'm going to Georgia Tech. She goes, how's the school? I said, I don't know, but black people got jobs. That's how I ended up. And then they told me it was seventeen women and everyone man and twenty five women everyone straight man, So you straight. He and I went straight to Spellman, straight to eight Center, straight to the club, straight to the Magic City. I was straight. What was your favorite thing about Atlanta? What was your favorite thing? I mean, because New York is so different than Atlanta. I mean, Atlanta's Atlanta's grown so much, but it's the South. Yeah, what's your favorite thing about Atlanta? What's your favorite thing about the South? It's it's the Southern swag man. When I got there, I was part of that New York New wave nineteen eighty two. Right, So I'm walking with a keno and a big name plate with a chip tooth pumas on. You know what I'm saying, Like I hip hop is right about? Hip hop is nine years old when I get there, right, do you understand? So I'm part of that New York wave that hit Atlanta and started going to school at that joint. I'm with Spike. You know what I'm saying. I'm it's we we We're loving the simplicity. And I think it's a Cicada Bucks because if you've never heard them, once you go to Atlanta, you cannot hear it, and then if you leave, you look for it. So I think it's I think it's that rhythm in Atlanta and they just keep getting finer and find women that is finer and finer and finer every year. I think that's what it is in Atlanta. Dang the bb IL. What was your when you when you got your money? What was the first thing you bought. I didn't get the money. I did the worst deal. I didn't get a signing bonus. Who your agent? You know, David Folks and that and this is where it's where that he out of all. When I look back at it, I didn't get a sign of bonus. And I think about that, he goes you don't want to own. Oh, I didn't know what it was. What it was is they did a deal because Adrian Danley was now going to be in a piston and all that money went to a d and didn't give me a sign of bonus. So I was a sacrificial lab. They got, hey, we got this rookie, and you can take a D and on this piece, right, what's the best purchase you what's the best and the worst purchase you made? And you're in, you're playing. You didn't buy Mercedes because you know, you know, I got a BMW black Man's wish I got. I love my BMW two, but got it. No, it was L seven. It was a brand new interior to it too. It was dope. But none of none of those things were smart or good to me. That's a ap a patphile ap okay. Vinnie Johnson had a partephile. It was seventy two hundred dollars and I could not believe in nineteen eighty six you paid seventy two just to tell Time what the watch is worth now probably a million. You understand what I'm saying. So I none of that. Those things, I think. I think the best thing I purchased was a home for my mother and father, and and I got my mom in the house and my dad a Lincoln, my favorite thing I've ever given him. He had this light blue Lincoln. It was half with the blue leather on the blue leather on the top, dark blue sun roof. They had to cut it in redo it these cushioned seats. Yeah, the christ Velo, you know he had. I had him spokes. I had him put the curb findings on it. Yeah. Man. He My brother showed up. He just kept looking at He says, yeah, Johnny said this for you. He drove it from Detroit. He may He called me. He said, boy, I love you, man, he said. My mother's like yeah, He's like all right, give me the keys. And I don't think they saw off for three days. That I was my favorite. My favorite purchase was getting my father his Lincoln, if you could. If Adam Silver asked you to come back and says, I want you to talk to the players about some of the pitfalls that could possibly happen to an NBA player, as far as women, finances, things of that nature. What are some of the things that you would tell today's players, I offered, because I went one time, when they do the the supposed mission, it's not it's not good because it became it became sponsored. So you can't tell them the truth. Bro, Yeah right, they don't want the truth, right, they want to they don't want the truth. I would bring in it sounds funny. I would bring in girls who lived a life who were on that side of tricking players and all that, and then I would I would literally bring in insurance people to explain how money works. That's it. If if, if, if I would have had I have a cool guy named dal Cohen. Dal Cohen looked out for me and been looking at me since two thousand and two. If if you don't have one of those cats like I don't think Kareem had one, but Will Chamberlin had three. Will Chamlin had three guys that would dinosaur for him. Is why he was in a good position, and it's kind of hard man. Somebody said, if I go to college, what are you going to major in? I say, finance. It's the only region you should get only degree. Well, remember I was smart, ye, so, and it wasn't that. I just have a photographic memory, so I would I remember what I saw. I never missed class either. I'm looking at your one of your original investments. You were one of the original investors and beyond me, don't be telling my business. And you invested back in two thousand and nine. Don't be knowing if I could have. And let me tell you you when you had invested more. Not only that, there was this this dude that had nahs was knowing about Uber and man, this model put me on almost set her name. This model in Toronto put me on Uber. And she goes, you hear about this? And I go no, And she goes watch this, and she picked up her phone and boom, boom boom. And we were sitting around and were eating and she goes, oh, yeah, they're here. I said, what do you mean. She goes, oh, this is called Uber and it's better than a taxi and it's this and it's this and it's this. I didn't know about investing it, but they let nads No. Kevin Durant supposed to be it's worth a billion dollars like this dude keeps he was invested in Postmates. I have an app called do You Tip? The literal dude the letter you Tip. And the reason I did that is I started paying attention to where the world is going. I bank at a famous celebrity bank in Encino, then not paying me, so I don't say the name. If you want sponsorship, you can know where to go to. And for fourteen years I've been going to this bank, right, and I always see this wonderful lady from Venezuela, and she got long hair. I always tell her how beautiful he has. Oh, mommy, you're looking great today. Thank you by being at the other day, I pulled out and it was a machine. Then it hit me. In two thousand and two, I was in Monte Carlo. I'm sorry, Portofino and what's in Italy? And I rent a car, I go up to the thing and there's nobody to hand my money too. And I got the ticket that blowing me, calling me names all kinds of stuff and Italian. You have to go back, put your card in and take your credit card, pay and then come back and leave me saying that to you now, I was like, yeah, that's how you do it, But in two thousand and two, that's not how we've done it in America. So they When I played in Greece in nineteen ninety six, I had a Eckerson phone. If I was thirsty and went to a Coca Cola machine, I would point it at it and push zero and that I would get a drink. So I think technology is moving. I'm in a company now called iken I k N and he's figured out how to literally make a holograph. He figured out how to bend light. We've been trying to bend light since the beginning of the time. I just now look at things that I say, what are we gonna need? Everything is going digital. So last night I was at a Swan bitcoin event. A Swan is a play you take bitcoin money into. I wound up getting a Blue Moon wallet because it's happening. Your money is going to be crypto. It's it's happening. Whether people want it to or not, it's happening. So it's kind of like integration. They didn't want it to happen, but it happened. No matter how much you booing, whatever, you gotta get your football team to win, integration has to happen, right anyway. That was for myself and those who know history. So all I do is look at technology. Where's it going? How's it going? How do I get in from the beginning of it? Don't worry. I got you shouting. I got I'm gonna have you, man, I'm gonna have you. I would be straight. I would be I want to go to Portofino to travel. You do, and let me tell you. I got the money to travel. I got the money to go down to en see Obedo, go to go to what's that? Do it the way I do it? You did invite it? Yeah, but I don't know about it's in fighting. Shoot shout Santa bar I go to I got Santa Barbara money. It's too cold for me. That's the kind of money I got. Malibu. Got money to go to Malibu. I gotbody to go to the Montown. I used to have money to go to Mali. But dig bait, have you ever have you ever been obviously in Malibu? No? Okay, So you've been to a noble No, say word, you never been to noble. I've never been to noble. You you're lying right now. Your nose is big, but it's getting bigger. I've never been a noble really no, Okay, above it is this bar lounge called Ivy. I got I got so I barely grill money. Ain't got noble money. I got no noble, which you said, Okay, we go there noble, that would I'd be saying, oh my god, I go in there and just laugh and I go, oh man, I couldn't afford her her injections. Yeah, let her little breast like you got forty thousand dollars brash right there. Who can't afford it? Now? See that's why I say I can't go there. Yeah, too bad for you, Sally. I appreciate it. Bro, keep representing us to make you look thank you. Definitely. All my life and grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle, Bady Price, wanna slice? Got the broller? Dice to swap all my life. I've been grinding all my life, all my life, the grounding, all my life, sacrifice, hustle, baby Price and want a slice? Got the broller dice to swap all my life. I've been grinding all my life

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