Hey, Club Sha listeners, We'll be back soon with weekly episodes featuring brand new interviews with exciting roster guests. Until then, enjoyed the special rewind episode with one of my favorite moments from Club Sha shake so far all my life, grinding all my life, sat one slice all my life. I've been grinding all my life. So how old were you when you joined the group and how did the NWA come about? I was probably about seventeen when I when I joined in WA. We we were all in different groups. I was everybody everybody without in a different group. Everybody else was doing their own thing. So how did you guys decide to come together? Well, a group that that Dre was in called Directing Crew. Dre and Yellow was in that group, right, and they were kind of like they were making the most noise in LA out of all of it, the world lasting group, world class Wrecking Crew. So Linzo, who ran the Wrecking Crew, really wouldn't let Dre do the hardcore records that he really started to want to do, right, So, so me and Drey started doing mix tapes and I would do the hardcore raps on the mix tapes. Talking about the neighborhood was Easy with his. Drey's old friend got one of the tapes, trapped Dray down and was like, Yo, you know, I've been hustling on the street. I don't want to flip some of his money, so I want to start. I want to I want to have a label, and I want to call it Ruthless Records. And so he had these groups that he was trying to get on Ruthless Records. But but he asked me to write a song for him. I wrote a song called Boys in the Hood and the group didn't want to do it because they was from New York. So Dray convinced Easy to do the song. So Easy ended up doing Boys in the Hood the song, and he was like, we should do an all star group. This is what Easy said. We should do all star group. Will take the best out of you know, I'll be easy. We take Dre and Yellow out of the record crew, will take Q out of out of a group called CIA, take qu out of that, and then we're gonna, you know, we just do the side group hardcore records, you know what, And then y'all can go back and do you know, slow jams and whatever. Y'all was doing. So we ended up doing that record, and man, it just started to pick up a minium and it was just sounding better and better and better. So we all ended up quitting our groups and just stay with art, you know, with us forming this all star group. And uh, one day they came to pick me up and Easy was like, what we're gonna call you know, he was saying what we're gonna call the group? And I said, what we're gonna call it? He said in wa I'm like what that means. When he told me what it meant, I was like, ah, yeah, we're about to start some ish right now. So you know, from there we just was tight and we just was just figuring out what we need to do to start making noise in the hip hop scene. Did you know that when you joined this group, you guys were going to become What you became is that you guys are really the originator of the gangster rap, the hardcore rap. Did you know that at the time? Not at all. At the time, you know, we thought those records were gonna be They had a section in the record store where they would play all the dirty comedy records like Richard pryor you could get Eddie Murphy record over there, Red Fox. It was this dirty rapper by the name of Blowfly Dolomite. You can get all them kind of records. So we thought our record was gonna be over there in that dirty section. So when they started to put it out front where all the regular hip hop was and people just started buying it, we knew we had a style that that was unique, that was different. But you know, there was other people who who was dibbling and dabbling and what I would call gangster rap. You know, you had Iced Tea out there right Schooley d h he had a song called psk Uh. And then you had you know, Boogie Down Productions had did a record called Criminal Minded that He's loved that record. So it was a few people who had dibbled and dabbled in that style. I mean that became Iced Tea signature style. Think Ice Tea and NWA where the first two real jump offs, and then the Ghetto Boys came through, you know, and it was other groups, but but yeah, you know, that's kind of how it jumped off, and that's how it started. So anytime you have success and there's a group Eventually they're gonna be some bickering, they're gonna be some fighting, They're gonna be some issues. Who's getting what, who's doing what. Why did NWA breakdown fall apart? I think it's really because, you know, Jerry Heller, who was the manager at the time, was really loyal, the easy you know, Easy was his guy. You know, we were like, uh, you know, it's just kind of the group, you know, you know, and and so I just think he underestimated what we really meant to the whole you know, success to ruthless records, right, So he just was and easy, you know, was learning the business basically at the same time we were. When it comes to me, him and Ring, we're all learning at the same time, even though he's older and dre and yelling at me the business a little bit more. But nobody was experts, you know, right, right. People leaned on Jerry to you know, make make things right, and it just was a you know, one or two things that just didn't smell right. And you know, when somebody starts to, you know, lie when there's no reason to, it just makes you suspicious. And then you know, the more you look, the more you find and you know, I confronted him and they they'd rather, you know, make me the enemy and uh, instead of wreck the find a situation. And so I left. So when you can, you can run. And Jerry Heller the rest of the group turned against you. Well, Jerry talked too easy, right and easy. You know, he was the head of everything. So once Easy was against me, you know, Jerry convinced Easy I was a trouble making So then Easily started to talk to everybody and then you know, pretty soon I was the eye man out at right end of the day. But they didn't kick you out and fast I left. I left because I was like, this ain't gonna work. They're not gonna fix it. You know, all he had to do is fix it. And what did Jerry Heller need to do to make it right? Back? You? I think he was you know, at the end of the day, he was trying to give me to sign a contract that my lawyer never read. Okay, so to me, that's a bad business and it's a bad contract, right, you don't want my lawyer to even look at it, and you know I have a lawyer. He kept ducking me and saying, you know, I'll send it. I'll send it. I'll send it before I had the lawyer. Before I told him I had the lawyer. I had the lawyer, but I didn't tell him. I was just trying to get the contract. So I told him I said, just send it to my mama. I thought he was gonna think, all right, send it to her, saying I know what she's looking at. They're gonna sign it, and I'm gonna get it back. But he wouldn't even send it to her. I'm like, man, damn, you won't even send it to her, right, you know, so we knew something was fishy, Like he can't if he can't send us to contracts, definitely can't sign nothing. Were you the only one in the group that had a lawyer outside of RUFUS record lawyer? I think so. But I had all first that whatever my lawyer tell me, I'm gonna tell you guys, and you know so y'all my lawyers like, y'all, law y'all don't have to get a lawyer if you don't want to, I would advise you to. But but and I'll tell y'all what he's telling me. So I would, you know, talk with ran a lot me and ran the same age. We would talk a lot. Who was the youngest in the group, right, and uh so ran knew everything that as that my lawyer was telling me, which was don't sign nothing, don't sign nothing. And so when it was time to sign, I was like, I can't sign that. And it was the best move I ever. Did you lead the group? You strike out on your own death? Did they did you first? Or did you right? No vaseline me first? They did you first? Yeah. They dissed me on a record card one hundred Miles and Running. It was like an EP that they released after straight out of Compton. It was a it was a disc, but it wasn't It wasn't like heavy hand. It was like a line, like a little line. So, okay, I gave it back to him. I gave it back to him a little bit on jacket for beats. Right at the end of jacket for the Beats, it's one line where I mentioned a hundred miles and I have you a hundred miles and running. And so when they did uh their next record, they dissed me real good, you know what I mean. They called me Benny did Arnold, all kind of all kind of names, so what happened. Okay, they dissed you on the line, you kind of dissed them back on line. Did you think it was over? Okay, you said do it? I said, Man, I'm done, let's move on. You thought it was over, yeah, because I still liked them dudes. You know, they were still you know, I had a problem with Easy and Jerry, but I still I'm still cool with Dre and Yella and ran right DLC and them dudes. I was still hanging around. I saw. I was just surprised that they would like to take again. So they did you heavy. I mean, they came with it, you like, I got to come back hard. How long did it take you to write, no, Vassiloni, It took me ninety minutes, ninety minute, ninety minutes. So that's so another word that's been brewing. You knew, you knew they were gonna come back. If it only took you ninety minutes, you knew they were gonna come back. So you've been plotting, you've been lading and waiting. It wasn't like that. It was I was. I was mad and I had build up right, I was on a boat that the one of the heads of prior records. He took me on a boat because you know, I had went in there with a bat and and like to up the company, like right, So we was trying to smooth things out. So he was saying, I want to play this for you. I want to be the first one to play it for you, and he played me to this that they did to me. But we still had two or three hours on this boat, which I didn't want to be on no more. I was like, man, take me back. I'm ready to ride or ride take me back. So I had like two or three hours to build up for about a time. I got to my room, to my equipment, pain and pad. It just all came out and I got interrupted a few times, So it probably would I probably would be faster than my sister didn't interrupt me a few times. You know what to do? Hit the subscribe button to become an official member of Club Sha Sha where we always do something or too something

Hey, Club Sha listeners, We'll be back soon with weekly episodes featuring brand new interviews with exciting roster guests. Until then, enjoyed the special rewind episode with one of my favorite moments from Club Sha shake so far all my life, grinding all my life, sat one slice all my life. I've been grinding all my life. So how old were you when you joined the group and how did the NWA come about? I was probably about seventeen when I when I joined in WA. We we were all in different groups. I was everybody everybody without in a different group. Everybody else was doing their own thing. So how did you guys decide to come together? Well, a group that that Dre was in called Directing Crew. Dre and Yellow was in that group, right, and they were kind of like they were making the most noise in LA out of all of it, the world lasting group, world class Wrecking Crew. So Linzo, who ran the Wrecking Crew, really wouldn't let Dre do the hardcore records that he really started to want to do, right, So, so me and Drey started doing mix tapes and I would do the hardcore raps on the mix tapes. Talking about the neighborhood was Easy with his. Drey's old friend got one of the tapes, trapped Dray down and was like, Yo, you know, I've been hustling on the street. I don't want to flip some of his money, so I want to start. I want to I want to have a label, and I want to call it Ruthless Records. And so he had these groups that he was trying to get on Ruthless Records. But but he asked me to write a song for him. I wrote a song called Boys in the Hood and the group didn't want to do it because they was from New York. So Dray convinced Easy to do the song. So Easy ended up doing Boys in the Hood the song, and he was like, we should do an all star group. This is what Easy said. We should do all star group. Will take the best out of you know, I'll be easy. We take Dre and Yellow out of the record crew, will take Q out of out of a group called CIA, take qu out of that, and then we're gonna, you know, we just do the side group hardcore records, you know what, And then y'all can go back and do you know, slow jams and whatever. Y'all was doing. So we ended up doing that record, and man, it just started to pick up a minium and it was just sounding better and better and better. So we all ended up quitting our groups and just stay with art, you know, with us forming this all star group. And uh, one day they came to pick me up and Easy was like, what we're gonna call you know, he was saying what we're gonna call the group? And I said, what we're gonna call it? He said in wa I'm like what that means. When he told me what it meant, I was like, ah, yeah, we're about to start some ish right now. So you know, from there we just was tight and we just was just figuring out what we need to do to start making noise in the hip hop scene. Did you know that when you joined this group, you guys were going to become What you became is that you guys are really the originator of the gangster rap, the hardcore rap. Did you know that at the time? Not at all. At the time, you know, we thought those records were gonna be They had a section in the record store where they would play all the dirty comedy records like Richard pryor you could get Eddie Murphy record over there, Red Fox. It was this dirty rapper by the name of Blowfly Dolomite. You can get all them kind of records. So we thought our record was gonna be over there in that dirty section. So when they started to put it out front where all the regular hip hop was and people just started buying it, we knew we had a style that that was unique, that was different. But you know, there was other people who who was dibbling and dabbling and what I would call gangster rap. You know, you had Iced Tea out there right Schooley d h he had a song called psk Uh. And then you had you know, Boogie Down Productions had did a record called Criminal Minded that He's loved that record. So it was a few people who had dibbled and dabbled in that style. I mean that became Iced Tea signature style. Think Ice Tea and NWA where the first two real jump offs, and then the Ghetto Boys came through, you know, and it was other groups, but but yeah, you know, that's kind of how it jumped off, and that's how it started. So anytime you have success and there's a group Eventually they're gonna be some bickering, they're gonna be some fighting, They're gonna be some issues. Who's getting what, who's doing what. Why did NWA breakdown fall apart? I think it's really because, you know, Jerry Heller, who was the manager at the time, was really loyal, the easy you know, Easy was his guy. You know, we were like, uh, you know, it's just kind of the group, you know, you know, and and so I just think he underestimated what we really meant to the whole you know, success to ruthless records, right, So he just was and easy, you know, was learning the business basically at the same time we were. When it comes to me, him and Ring, we're all learning at the same time, even though he's older and dre and yelling at me the business a little bit more. But nobody was experts, you know, right, right. People leaned on Jerry to you know, make make things right, and it just was a you know, one or two things that just didn't smell right. And you know, when somebody starts to, you know, lie when there's no reason to, it just makes you suspicious. And then you know, the more you look, the more you find and you know, I confronted him and they they'd rather, you know, make me the enemy and uh, instead of wreck the find a situation. And so I left. So when you can, you can run. And Jerry Heller the rest of the group turned against you. Well, Jerry talked too easy, right and easy. You know, he was the head of everything. So once Easy was against me, you know, Jerry convinced Easy I was a trouble making So then Easily started to talk to everybody and then you know, pretty soon I was the eye man out at right end of the day. But they didn't kick you out and fast I left. I left because I was like, this ain't gonna work. They're not gonna fix it. You know, all he had to do is fix it. And what did Jerry Heller need to do to make it right? Back? You? I think he was you know, at the end of the day, he was trying to give me to sign a contract that my lawyer never read. Okay, so to me, that's a bad business and it's a bad contract, right, you don't want my lawyer to even look at it, and you know I have a lawyer. He kept ducking me and saying, you know, I'll send it. I'll send it. I'll send it before I had the lawyer. Before I told him I had the lawyer. I had the lawyer, but I didn't tell him. I was just trying to get the contract. So I told him I said, just send it to my mama. I thought he was gonna think, all right, send it to her, saying I know what she's looking at. They're gonna sign it, and I'm gonna get it back. But he wouldn't even send it to her. I'm like, man, damn, you won't even send it to her, right, you know, so we knew something was fishy, Like he can't if he can't send us to contracts, definitely can't sign nothing. Were you the only one in the group that had a lawyer outside of RUFUS record lawyer? I think so. But I had all first that whatever my lawyer tell me, I'm gonna tell you guys, and you know so y'all my lawyers like, y'all, law y'all don't have to get a lawyer if you don't want to, I would advise you to. But but and I'll tell y'all what he's telling me. So I would, you know, talk with ran a lot me and ran the same age. We would talk a lot. Who was the youngest in the group, right, and uh so ran knew everything that as that my lawyer was telling me, which was don't sign nothing, don't sign nothing. And so when it was time to sign, I was like, I can't sign that. And it was the best move I ever. Did you lead the group? You strike out on your own death? Did they did you first? Or did you right? No vaseline me first? They did you first? Yeah. They dissed me on a record card one hundred Miles and Running. It was like an EP that they released after straight out of Compton. It was a it was a disc, but it wasn't It wasn't like heavy hand. It was like a line, like a little line. So, okay, I gave it back to him. I gave it back to him a little bit on jacket for beats. Right at the end of jacket for the Beats, it's one line where I mentioned a hundred miles and I have you a hundred miles and running. And so when they did uh their next record, they dissed me real good, you know what I mean. They called me Benny did Arnold, all kind of all kind of names, so what happened. Okay, they dissed you on the line, you kind of dissed them back on line. Did you think it was over? Okay, you said do it? I said, Man, I'm done, let's move on. You thought it was over, yeah, because I still liked them dudes. You know, they were still you know, I had a problem with Easy and Jerry, but I still I'm still cool with Dre and Yella and ran right DLC and them dudes. I was still hanging around. I saw. I was just surprised that they would like to take again. So they did you heavy. I mean, they came with it, you like, I got to come back hard. How long did it take you to write, no, Vassiloni, It took me ninety minutes, ninety minute, ninety minutes. So that's so another word that's been brewing. You knew, you knew they were gonna come back. If it only took you ninety minutes, you knew they were gonna come back. So you've been plotting, you've been lading and waiting. It wasn't like that. It was I was. I was mad and I had build up right, I was on a boat that the one of the heads of prior records. He took me on a boat because you know, I had went in there with a bat and and like to up the company, like right, So we was trying to smooth things out. So he was saying, I want to play this for you. I want to be the first one to play it for you, and he played me to this that they did to me. But we still had two or three hours on this boat, which I didn't want to be on no more. I was like, man, take me back. I'm ready to ride or ride take me back. So I had like two or three hours to build up for about a time. I got to my room, to my equipment, pain and pad. It just all came out and I got interrupted a few times, So it probably would I probably would be faster than my sister didn't interrupt me a few times. You know what to do? Hit the subscribe button to become an official member of Club Sha Sha where we always do something or too something