Club Shay ShayJess Hilarious On Breakfast Club Nicki Minaj, 50 Cent, Katt Williams, Cardi B, , Shannon's Apology
In Part 1 of this episode of Club Shay Shay, Shannon Sharpe sits down with comedian, actress, and media personality Jess Hilarious. Hailing from Baltimore, Jess has taken the comedy world by storm, selling out shows nationwide and becoming a staple in digital entertainment. She’s not just ‘Jess with the Mess’—she’s a fearless cohost of The Breakfast Club and a force in the industry.
Jess opens up about her Baltimore roots and shares her journey from working at a funeral home to building a comedy empire online. She breaks down her first time performing, opening for Martin Lawrence, and her love for comedy legends like Bill Bellamy, Mike Epps, Lunelle, Mo'Nique, Ms.Pat, and Sinbab. She reacts to Katt Williams naming her as one of his favorite rising comedians.
Jess Hilarious doesn’t hold back on industry drama, addressing her beefs with Nicki Minaj, Corey Holcomb, DJ Akademiks, Lil Meech, and Summer Walker. She shares her thoughts on joke stealing and gatekeeping in comedy. She weighs in on Wild ‘N Out, Viacom’s lawsuit against Nick Cannon and Zeus Network, and Nick Cannon fathering 12 children. She also addresses her past relationship with Kountry Wayne.
Jess Hilarious opens up about family stealing from her, her opinions on BBLs and plastic surgery, and why she claps back at critics. Plus, she shares her experience working with Vivica A. Fox on The First Lady of BMF. She gives her take on some of the biggest headlines—Drake vs. Kendrick, Drake's Universal lawsuit, and Lil Rel’s weight loss. She speaks on The Wire vs Power, her friendship with 50 Cent, and 50 Cent's beef with Big Meech. She also gives her top 4 comedians: Bernie Mac, Katt Williams, Kevin Hart, and herself.
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Hello, welcome to another episode of Club Sha Shay. I am your host, Shannon Sharp. I'm also the proprid of Club Sha Shak and today we're at Spotlight La stopping by for conversation on the drink Today, She's made a name for herself on the comedy circuit, spreading laughter both online and off. She quickly became one of the biggest rising stars in the industry, performing the soul that shows nationwide and true force to be reckon with in the world of entertainment. An underniable staple in the digital age, a prominent, influential and outspoken social media star, a popular personality, an actress, a entertainer, content creator, savage businesswoman, and a loving mother. A fearless and a fearless co host of the insanely popular, award winning syndicated morning talk show The Breakfast Club. She's just with the mess, but her news is real. Here she is, lady and gentlemen, the one and only, very funny, just hilarious.
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I like that. You like that. I like that I tell people when they come on the show. I don't give people what they deserve. I give them what they earn. And everything that was written on this card you've earned. So congratulations, Thank you so much. I don't know if you drink it now.
I drink I did one, Dad, But what is this what we got here.
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Of the Yeah, it has been a year.
And welcome your second child. Yes, so for a loving mother and everything that you've accomplished and will continue to coomplish.
Thank you know. You know I'm gonna tell you the truth is this is good. I'm gonna let you know because I don't care how many woods it one go.
Yeah, I don't care. It's all about taste.
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It's good. We thank you very much, thank you for stopping by Club shay Shape Yep, Baltimore, born to raids barn and Raids. Yes, y'all got an accent, dude, I mean, what's we do? I mean, you know, I'm a will South Georgia. People bag on me. I've had a glow on and you know, brother, yes, but let me ask you this, yess. How important is it for you to embrace how you talk, the way you dress, the way you sound. How important is that for you to embrace who you are, to remain authentic to who you are?
I mean, it keeps me relatable. And you know that's how I got to where I am, being unapological, unapologetically me. You know, yes, we do have a strong accent. Do you to do to too? We see hot dog instead of hot dog? What you doing all that?
Yeah?
You know people love as much fun as people make about the accent. They love it everywhere I go. They like to hear me say things and everything like that. But the Baltimore will never die me. You know, I've lived in LA I've lived in Atlanta, I've lived in New Jersey, New York, but you know, Baltimore will never die. You know, I gotta stay grounded.
When I first got into the media space, I got on television. I went to all these people to try to change my dialect because I talk with a heavy colloquial dialect building from rural South Georgia. But once I realized that that's not who I am, I needed to embrace. And then once I really like heard Charles Barkley, I was like, man, charles accent is worse than mine, for he for leaves Alabama. And once I embraced who I was, people embraced who I was. You think that's that's that's of the utmost because if you lose who you are, that's your identity. Just talking to dude and the dog, that's who you are. And if you lose sight of that, you kind of lose who lose sight of who you actually are?
Yeah, now when I go to Baltimore, I get a little bit more Baltimore.
I am outside of.
Baltimore, but it will never completely die with in my dialect.
No, I won't. Uh. Who has the thicker accents Memphis of Baltimore.
MEMPHISOD Memphis money bag yo, Oh my god, NL Chop I think NL Chopper He he don't sound as Memphis as the rest of them. He don't, he don't. So that's the one that comes He's one of the ones that don't really get to Memphis. But Glove, Oh my god. Sometimes I'd be like, what she saying, But that's my baby.
I love her and she she quits said you country, I like lot really limit all the famous people from Baltimore, Jada Pickettshan Rock, Monique Carmelo, Mario Cisco, Giovanni, Davis Phelps, Babe Ruth, Thurgod Marshall, Billy Holiday, Montell Williams. What what are some of the what do you think? What is it about Baltimore? And and and that so many of these people were able to leave Baltimore and become what we know them marked as today we're tellings it. You know.
It's We're like diamond in a rough city, you know what I mean. We it's a lot of the we're overlooked a lot because we're known as you know.
You're not d C.
Yeah, yeah, you know where and then people only know us for The Wire, right, you know, which is still one of my favorite TV shows of all time. I'm telling you not power, not touching Wire, the Wire. We who else would being.
Gonna come for us? Now? Woa me and you come he gonna get because here gonna get mad at me because I allow you to say it on this flatform. He gonna come for you because you gonna say the power is not touching the wire.
Oh well, I said it before and I said again fifty. He could try to redo the wire and cast me if you want to. But other than that, the wire is his favorite damn show.
So yeah, yeah, Monique gave you some love. How did that make you feel with Monique? Because Monique is Monique? Before you answer that it's Monique misunderstood. What do people get wrong? Because I'm thinking that you have kind of a better relationship with her than most What do people get wrong about mo Man? Listen?
That is a hard working woman. That's somebody that paved the way for all of Baltimore, not even just on a comedy sense. Like she she's unapologetically her yes right and yeah, and when she's done wrong, you're you're gonna hit it and you're gonna hear about it.
She ain't let nothing slade until.
You make it right with her. Yes, that's the because when you make it right, she Yep, she's a loving person, you know what I mean? Like and she uplifts me every chance she get listened. I remember I opened up for her one time, right and when I opened up for her, I wasn't I wasn't going through anything or anything like that. And that woman hugged me right before she went on stage because I opened up for it. She hugged me and I just cried like it was like it's one of them hugs that I got you. I'm here for you. You're doing great. Keep doing what you're doing f the naysayers, and you know what I mean. So, yeah, she is misunderstood, but she's also been done wrong too, and she's also understood. But I think a lot of a lot of what she's been through has been neglected by those who caused that harm to her, and she just wants she just wants to make it right like she wanted them to make it right. She shouldn't have had to go through go to this platform and go to this extreme and go to that extreme to hear to be heard about things that that. You know, she's felt that she's been slighted a lot.
Why did just that? When you think when people do you wrong, the first thing they say, move on, get over it. Do you notice that? Yeah? Yeah, why do you think that is why can't people just in break Like, bro, if I say you, this is what you've done, Okay, just acknowledge, don't tell me I need to get over it. Yeah, you need to apologize. Yeah? Why is it so hard for people to apologize?
Because it's not done to them? You know what I mean? Like, if it's not done to you, you don't really feel it unless you're done wrong. You know what I'm saying. And I've been done wrong as well, you know, And sometimes I let it roll off my back, you know, and sometimes nah, you're gonna pay for that, you know, depending on depending on what you did, Okay, you know what I mean, and depending on if I want to move on from it or not, because everything don't deserve you know, your time and energy to go back and forth with it, you know. But some things like nah, you're gonna feel what you did to me, right, you know.
Grew up in Baltimore, two parent household.
How was that amazing? Really amazing? My parents they were married up until a few years ago. But me and my brother Kevin, we got to grow up in a loving household. Our dad worked, our mom worked as well, like both of them worked, and they gave us what they could. We grew up in West West Baltimore City, you know, Emerson Avenue, West Baltimore, and they were able to give us what they didn't have, you know what I mean.
So is it whether the situation where they strict, where they disciplinariums.
One was strict, one was the disciplinarian, and one was lenient. My mom, she's deacon of the church. I'm telling you, we was raised in church.
You can go to church.
Tuesday, Wednesday, Saturday, Sunday, you know. And then my dad, on the other hand, Nah, that was that he was the DJ. He's the one that taught me all the music. I know, I have such a wide variety of music that I listened to, you know. And then he's where I get my funny from. Like my dad is like the comic of the family. But yeah's two different, but it's balanced, right, balance.
That's boy. You talk about here and here the two deeds, one of a DCA, the others a DJ. Yeah.
Yeah, Well, my dad was a marine. He went to the Marines, and he and my mom met in high school, okay, and he married her right out of high school, you know, right before he went to the Marines, and they've just been together they you know, and I think they got married so young they didn't really get to live the single life and to date and see what's out there. My mom has always been like just a one man woman and just a lover. And my dad he didn't get to live out that bachelor life. And so that's what kind of like to tear theage, you know, later later later.
Yeah, looking back on that, how important do you think that was? To have two parents and to have a loving environment to let you know if and when you decided to get mad. We'll get into that little later and you decide to have kids. What was important, man?
Just to struck sure of my household. You know, no household is perfect, No two parents are perfect.
Yeah.
I had the perfect balance, but still there were things that you know that every household has to endure, you know. But as both of my parents relate to me today, I am happy that they instilled in me like how to raise my children. Okay, you know what I mean. They never let us see certain things growing up, like when dad was broken he you know, we never knew that until I got older and he set us down and talked to us. When y'all had the latest tennis shoes, and y'all was you know, and they made us earn everything. But when y'all were walking around looking good and everything, nah, my bank account was low.
You know.
These are conversations that my parents wait until my brother and I were grown to have, you know. And then my mom opened up to me about her being unhappy you know, the last what ten no eight years of the marriage, you know what I mean. The infidelity played a part in it. And then how my dad just he didn't want to leave because he's still that was the love of his life. He just still didn't get to fulfill that, you know, dating and they got when you get married young and so many of high school eighteen nights, Yes, you stay together until you in your fifties and sixty y you want to see what bbl's out Okay with this? This is okay, cool, this is nice? All right, bitches, can body at just it's okay. You know, it's a lot of new things.
Did your parents Did you see your parents argue? Did they argue in front of you? No?
Never, I've never seen my parents argue ever with each other.
No, I did not. So in other words, and I heard I read this quote. They say, what you crave as a child, you overcompensate as a parent.
Now, my son have seen me and his father go at it. My son has seen his father up. I ain't gonna lie.
I done got into it physical with the dad man.
Me and Rome. That's my son's father. My son's name, yep, my oldest child, Ash, and he's twelve. Now. His dad's name is Rome. And me and Rome haven't been through it. We have been through it, but we are really really good friends and family today. But yeah, yeah, I ain't. I ain't take that that.
That rule left that part.
I very much. I did. I left it out.
You went to a I mean Baltimore. Yeah, we went to a predominantly white high school.
I did.
How was that? It was scary at first year.
I ain't even gonna lie. My mother had pulled me away from Baltimore City public schools and was like, no, I want better for my child. And and you know, my dad was on board. My dad was like ah, he he was kind of going back and forth with it, like I don't want to just pull her from what she knows. She got her friends here, she's into sports here, she's doing things. She has her life here. I don't know if we should, but at the end of the day, they did. They were making a great decision, and I'm glad that my mom did that. I'm glad that my dad went on ahead with it because a lot of things I learned, you know, I'm well rounded because of that. It was scary at first. I was acting like they was being racist and they wasn't. I was like, somebody just called me and my mom was like, no, they didn't. I was like, are you right? But I they want to go to school. Oh, they don't know how to dance. Everybody wanted me to teach them how to dance. And then y'all became one of the most popular kids in the high school I was at that time because it was your Pennsylvania. At that time, it was only I think I was like one out of twelve black students in the school. The school had about I don't know, I would say ten thousand kids. Yeah, it was like the size of a university, like a college. Yeah, and it was a middle high school. So Dallastown Area Dallastown Area High School. It was in a Pennsylvania and it was scary at first, but I'm glad that I stayed.
It's funny that you said that, because my daughter's mom had the opposite. She was at a private school that was predominantly white, and she pulled her out because she said, that's not reality. She said, You're not going to be in a predominant area at any point in time in your life, so you need to be more around it and be around people that look like you and have different ethnicism and so forth and so on. So she did the.
Opposite, and I totally understand that.
But I did see. I did see on ig what this young black female said that a black should not go to a predominantly white because you could lose sight of yourself.
Hmmm, something I've never done. I've never done that, I'm telling you. I like I said, you know, I was. I was afraid at first, because, yeah, I came from Baltimore City public schools. Everybody I saw look like me, you know, little ponytail on the side, you know what I'm saying. Nobody comb in the back of their head, so the buckshots is bugging.
You know what I mean.
But then I go up there. Everybody got long, straight head, blue eyes, and I'm just like, Okay, this is what it is, you know. But it was like the opposite of what you know, you just brought up Like I had already seen and been around black people for so long and people who look like me and Baltimore, and it was good for them to pick me up and drop me in a place that was foreign to me, you know, because then I learned other cultures, yeah I'm saying. And then I also learned what being the minority felt like.
You know.
I learned, you know, what controlled racism was. I learned with somebody trying to be smart, they can't directly because yeah, because they know they get they knocked out. But so and so so I okay, yeah, this is what y'all doing, all right, I got you, so you know, it was great. Then I also made some of like I met some of the greatest people that I've known since then up there. So I think my parents for that.
Did you get in any fights they call you named? Hell?
No, not to my face. No, No, I listen, I ain't gonna lie. Going to high school white kids, That's how I got into drugs and all of that. I smoked my first blunt up there. I did my first shroom up there, y'all. Yeah, bonfires and all of that.
So they so how did this? So how did this happen? You're like, Okay, what y'all doing tonight? What y'all getting into tonight? You're like, okay, we're gonna do this, YadA, YadA, YadA. You're like, okay, cool. They were.
They were inviting me for a long time, like, yo, you want to come to this bonfire?
Dude, like it's gonna be great, like so cool.
And I'm like okay, yeah, And I'm like, all right, cool. I see what Because you know, I'm from Baltimore. You ain't no bonfires down You see a fire is somebody house, you know what I mean. It's just it's not a bonfire. So I go and I see them rolling up weed. I'm like, all right, I had never smoked weed, tried weed in my life until tenth grade in high school. I'm like, let me, let me see. I'm like, what y'all putting it? Because I know white people lace they stuff, you know what i mean. So I'm like, let me see it, cause you know, I see little substances being poured on top of the blunt, you know, I'm me poured in it, and I'm like, give me a regular blunt, you know.
I it's cool.
I'm hungry, I'm feeling a little funny, you know, And so I start telling jokes and stuff. But then I see people are tripping off of other things, and I'm like, what's that. Oh, yeah, well that person, you know, Carlos, has just had some acid over there. You know. I'm like, yeah, I ain't. I don't want that.
Nah.
Then you know you got pills over here. I'm telling you. These kids had everything except for their parents there all the time. That's what set them aside from me. That's when I started connecting with my friends on a different level because they would see how my parents were there. They would come home every night. They would tell me they loved me. They would tell me, you know, because I would have my friends over to me. And I remember one of my friends saying, her name is Tillia. She's like, you and your mom tell you to tell each other that you love each other like all the time. I'm like, yeah, you and your mom don't She's like, no, not really, Like I don't really see my mom. And that was the case for a lot of them. A lot of their parents. They own big corporations and worked for big companies. They traveled all the time. They would just get them kids money, you know, and that's what that's how they would get into drugs. And everybody had a car and everything, but they would get into drugs. And they didn't really feel that love that they saw between my parents and I. So I connected with them.
So you think they had so the next So, would you have tried your let's just say, for the sake of argument, you stayed in Baltimore Public school, do you believe would have tried drugs, would have experimented like you did. I definitely would have tried weed.
I mean, my big brother smoked weed and he started smoking weed and he was maybe twelve years old, and yeah, so I would have tried that, but I probably wouldn't have got on the shrooms. I probably wouldn't have started with psychedelics at all. But yeah, I do psychedelics something different though. I do it for clarity.
It's not just what was that you said, did or do I do? I do?
That's present currently, yes, right now today, damn yeah.
I mean what I mean, you try to see the future, what's going on? Look, you can.
It depends on how many shrooms you consume. You you might be looking into the future with somebody else's future, but.
You be up there. So when you do you by yourself.
Not all the time. I do strims with my my sister and my fiance.
Okay, yes, so I mean so so so what so what did they actually do? They free your mind? Is it? Like all?
It's something like see see y'all also got hooked on adderall in high school as well because I couldn't focus and I needed that to focus.
You know.
It's a lot going on. So it's very different from from that. Like so shrooms, it's not really a high. You don't feel like a high. It's like it's enlightenment, you know you and you feel open and you can go you can tap no, if you're scared. If you're a person who overthinks a lot, I would not recommend them for you, you know what I mean, because you can go crazy. See yeah, if you're doing all of that, like like smoking and a pission, you ain't.
You better not be. I ain't doing no shrims. You shaying.
Yeah, but it's it's it's good.
I still do it. Yes, you had a friend overdose though, right, I.
Did, I did, But that was not from shroom, No, absolutely, because he was so young, you know, he was very very young, and it was one of a few kids that actually but this one was my friend. Yeah, he had overdosed. I forget what the drug was it was. It wasn't shrims though, it was. It was something I think it was like assalts or something like that. And oh yeah, it was messing them up.
Man. So you had some crazy jobs coming up well, but hard funeral director? Yes, yes, no, So that's the thing. That's what I want. That's what I thought.
I wanted to be here, you know what I mean, because I went I went to college and did a semester, just just a semester. I thought I want. I thought I really wanted to get into like being a mortician, right, you know, because every job before that, Shanon, I swear, everybody was getting me fired, everybody, you know. And so I'm like, you, I work with dead people. Can't nobody wake up and be like, oh she did you know? Because they did well? But yes, I was damn you got you. But I ain't stealing from the people that was snitching you gotta mind your business.
Listen.
If I'm working at a company, right and I'm stealing the money, and you see me and it ain't you a company, come and try to get money with me, don't don't go. Oh she she's a stealing boss.
So you want to be the favorite, you know what I mean?
And you that ain't gonna get you, no, rais that ain't gonna get no bonus for you. You could have been getting money with me on the side.
So in other words, would you steal? You gonna steal money from your dead people to get coming with money in the person in the pocket, you know.
But that was the very lucative business to be in. People ain't never gonna stop ying, No, they're not. So I was going out planned to stop stealing and making money the right way with the dead people.
So, uh so you wanted to go to study mortuary.
Science, Yes, which I did for a semester, and I got scared because the clinicals, Yo, they listen, and I'm not gonna say I wasn't paying assision in class, you know. But in balming, fluid works very funny if you put too much into it, you know, limbs can lift up the gas can leave the body after your well.
Yes, they set up.
And that had happened, and that was the last time people saw me.
That was it. That's that's it.
I said that thought y'all was dad, and you know, so I was scared and I said I can't do it.
Yeah, you know. I had a buddy of mine his father on the funeral service, and it's like, man, damn, people can't hurt you. I said, yeah, but they can make you hurt yourself. You start, somebody set up and there y'all need you. When you do straightening their hand stuff.
You damn into the wall.
I'm done. I'm done.
So that's it.
Social media? What made you start? What made you get on social media? Wow?
I used to watch Maury a lot right horror. Yes, I used to watch Mary Povish right, even when I wasn't supposed to be watching that. Man, I was watching it, right, And that was the very first skit that I did.
I liked.
I liked to do parodies back then, right, and so I remade that the who's the father? I was acting like I was the guy, and how they would have the confessionals I'm not the father and they would have these like different angles, like it would be an angle down looking up at the guy, and then it was just funny. So I remade that, and that skit took off right and then I'm like, well, damn, this person reposted it. Then this posted it in this verse. I said, I can I can do this. So I just kept doing videos. And this was back when videos were only fifteen seconds on Instagram. So I'm like, all right, I got to make people laugh in fifteen seconds, let me do it. So I just made a series of skits that went viral, and that's it just took off from there.
Did you were you afraid to upload them?
Some of them only because I was afraid that people would steal the idea, not whether or not people would think it's funny. I've always been funny more life, you know, but were always even I'm there with the white people.
That's how I got put out. Half the time.
I was like, y'all put people y'all white, y'all still put people out of class. I thought that was only a black stud but they're like, no, out of here. No, you're trying to make everybody laugh. So yeah, but that's that's how that happened.
I wanted that touch on this I've slipped on my mind. When you stealing, you go to jail and stealing, did they put you in jail?
I did go to jail once, not forever stealing from any of my jobs. I was at this modeling agency and I had stole from this one woman.
Damn, Jeff.
Yeah, I know, I know, I know. Well now you can't. I'm reformed now you know. So now people steal from me. I was spoken them so but look I was.
I did.
I stole from the director and then I stole money? Well yeah, but this is the thing, this the thing, all right. The assistant that I stole from, she had a nerve to take me to court too, but she ain't had nothing nor called. I'm like, I didn't even get nothing off. I could even order a piece off your calling, lady, Why are you up here standing in front of the jyo. And she also stole from me. Oh, I didn't get nothing, so I shouldn't be tried for this. But the other lady is she had some she had some big bucks and so yeah, you something.
I'm looking at you, Jess. I think you were of them people job to give them?
No, it was a modeling agency and they was lying the people, taking all their goddamn money, telling us that we can be Tyra Banks and Naomi Campbell Campbell and we couldn't be. Why would you tell me that I ain't even tall enough? You know what I mean?
And I really was going with this.
It was people shorter than me, and you know, it was people on the bigger side that they knew, well, you can, but not back then. Ashley Stewart's the Lane Bryant and all the people.
Yeah that's what.
Yeah, but you ain't come on now. Some of those people in there, they was just taking people's money.
So you was Robin Hood.
Yes, and I went back to collect for everybody. But when it came time for me to give back everybody else, everybody left. So I was like, shy, I might as well keep all up for myself. So that's what That's how that happened.
Let me ask you a question. What was the first video that went viral and you were hooked? Hmmm?
My first jests with the Mess? That was my first jess with the Mess?
Uh.
I used to do just with the Mess on reality TV. This is when love and hip hop first came out. Love and hip hop Atlanta. No, it was New York with Chrissy and Jim Jones and that I was, and then me and A Peter Gunns and Tarau Tara and all of them, and I started doing just with the mess around reality TV, and then I started doing it with like just industry things other things.
Is it true Nick followed you because you're one of your videos.
I don't know why she unfollowed me, but I know she had reposted me a few times listening to some of her music that she dropped, and then unfollowed me. I feel people and followed me though, but I don't know the reason why. I don't be like wow.
But you know, you can't be going back and forth with them barbs on social media? Do jo.
I don't go back and forth with them. They go back and forth with themselves.
Oh you don't, so you don't respond on social media. You don't go back, not anymore.
But you haven't say you can't find a comment that I don't commented on in the sense what did I say? I like last I think back in twenty twenty three, I said I'm not gonna comment anymore. They don't deserve for me to.
Keep because your nature is to come back. Yeah. Yeah, it's very difficult.
That's why I don't read comments as often as I used to because listen, just Jesse from a runaway Baltimore city. She on an app. She'd get in your ass. And I've learned a lot things that you would say to an MFO on the streets in Baltimore assists you can't do it online. Don't do it online. It's not worth it. It's not And at the end of the day, these people don't know you, and it will never say this to your face. So don't go what are we in the comments for?
Why is it? People on social media they'll say something slick, You get slick or back with them, and then they cry big, oh my god, I can't believe you said that. You talk to a woman like that, you know, she talked to me first like that period.
And that's just what it is, you know what I mean. And that's that's another thing growing up in Baltimore. That's what it is. You if there's no rules to tell you know, you come at me. I come at you. You can't tell me how. No, you can't say that though it's like no, no, no, And I think we live in a world now where sensitive and offended as the new trend, you know.
So, yeah, there are a lot of social media stars. You look at Daisy Banks, Drewski, Young Fly, Pretty VB, Simone, this other guy. I'm sure you're going to talk about him because he had something to say about you. It wasn't bad though, you know what I'm talking about. Don't you excluded that guy? Did you connect with you? Did you see what they were doing? Like we damn they doing this? I can do this? So how, I mean, how did you even get started doing the uploading of the videos?
Well, the first person that I ever saw was DC Young Fly. Okay, that is my brother that I know. He called me the same thing. I'm his brother too, That's what he said. But that's the only that's the only guy I let play with me like that. By the way. Yeah, but yeah, yeah, I don't let nobody else call me the brother. I don't be playing around like that. But but yeah, I started off seeing him and you know, King Botch and like those people, and I'm like, no, I actually didn't see any females. I only saw him, and I was like, yo, that guy is funny. Even though I couldn't understand everything he was saying, because that George is different from your George.
You know.
I swear when I first met DC, I would just listen and nod and laugh like I knew what he was saying and couldn't understand. And then I would ask Carl Litis Miller like do you know what he said? And he'd be like, yeah, I know what he said. Well them both for y'all country, but I'm not, so I don't know. But yeah, that's what made me feel like, hey, I can do this too, you know, because I could relate to DC. He was himself, always himself.
So yeah, so what did any of the other guys once you meet those met those people? Did y'all share information? Did y'all share tips? Did y'all like, well, hey, let's get this money together? Yeah?
I actually took b Simone and Pretty V and watch Jazzy on their first tour. I did my first tour and Nate I took them with me, so uh yeah, that's how they got their start. And stand up well, Pretty Big does a host of things. She pretty don't like doing, no damn stand up. She is successful and entertaining though, for sure, so yeah, she's more like a host.
But yeah, how do you meet Country Wayne?
How did I meet Country Wayne? I know that's not on your call. Let me see that damn over there. How the hell did I meet him?
He a nice dude, though, Yeah, yeah, but I don't.
I don't even remember how I met the fella. I don't. Damn, I don't sorry to that man.
Okay, now, okay, yeah, I'm sorry. I don't know that man. You know, I'm sorry. I just don't know.
I don't remember how I met him.
How old were you when you got on stage for the first time?
Hmmm, I don't remember how old I was, but it was twenty thirteen when I got on stage for the first time. The first big stage I got on was twenty fourteen. I opened up for Martin and I had only been on stage two or three times.
Did you always want to do stand up? No?
The hell I did not. I didn't even know what all of that consistent consisted of. Like I grew up watching, yes, like Comic View, standing up Link with my dad when I wasn't posed to, and just watching Bruce Bruce and you know, seeing a Dion Cole and seeing you know, but I had never imagined that's what I would be doing. Yeah. I just always was funny, humorous, comical, but I never thought that I would be a stay.
So did you decide to do it? Or someone say, hey, yes you should, you should try this? So did so? How did you decide to go up on stage?
Listen? So my big brother does he He's not my biological brother, but he is somebody who is a mentor for me. He's also from Baltimore City, DOESSI Alexander. He's been a feature on my tour since I first started. This is the guy that people know when I'm coming. He coming to him and another guy from Baltimore's name is Cool and he's a promoter and he also works for Nike now as well. They were doing open mics and I would go all the time, and the local comedy scene in Baltimore was it was just it was funny and I just always wanted to go and be a part of it, but not to get.
Up on stage.
And one day they just pushed me up on stage because I was already doing the skits and stuff, so people already knew who I was locally, and then they was like, you might as well try it. My brother's like try it, and I'm like, ah, I don't know. So then he calls my name. I go up there.
I didn't know what the light was.
When they give you a light, that means all right, your time is about to be up, times dwindling down. I thought they was taking pictures.
I was up.
I supposed to have been up there for ten minutes, I mean five minutes. It went from five to ten to fifteen. And then the DJ dropped the music and I'm like, well damn, and they like no, because you got to get off. I'm like, oh, I didn't know.
I didn't know the rules.
Y'all pushed me up here, and now y'all trying to push me off, you know. So and and I started developing alike for it, not really a love yet until Martin Lawrence had his brother call me and asked me to open up for him. And that's when I was like thirteen thousand people down at the Wells Fargo Arena, that's what it was called then Stay Farmer Wells far Go Arena in Baltimore City. But uh, that's when I realized standing on that stage making my city laugh like that, I'm like all right, yeah, this is what I'm supposed to be doing.
Because proud of that you didn't have so you didn't have a bug. It wasn't like when you first got up there, you're like, Okay, I like this, I'm hooked like. It wasn't until Martin actually called you and you said, h this is what I'm gonna do. Yep.
And that's when I started working on my craft. I started actually going, like to open my other open mics outside of Baltimore City and writing jokes and stuff like that started.
So you quitch were you working at the time you quit your job.
I was stealing, so you know that. But wow, I love Miss Path, I know, but I am not a thief now, I know, right, I know, I know.
So you do this, you get the bug and so now you're writing stuff. You're like, I want to be good at this. I want to be the best I possibly can be at this, and you start taking it serious and you from that point on, from when Martin brother call you, that was the moment that you said, what this is what I'm gonna do.
That is the moment. That is the moment when I was on stage right because I was scared as hell. He had called me about something else. He didn't even call me to ask me to do the show.
First.
He called me because Martin was working on plays he wanted to like get into like the play field, right, and was like, Martin wants to do a play with you. Would you be interested? You know once you thinking about.
You was doing? Yeah?
Yeah, And I was like of course. And then we hung up, and then he called me back like, well, what are you doing this weekend? Because you know Martin is on this what now tour? Right, and and he stops in Baltimore. You know it's from Maryland. I'm like, y'all know everything about Martin. Martin was one of my favorite actors coming up, like you know. And so he was like, yeah, would you mind open enough for him? You got ten minutes to coming.
I was like shit, I.
Got an hour lying lying And so as soon as I hung up, I called my brother. I'm like, yo, I get to open up of Martin. I only been on stage two or three times. I need you to help me. He helped me that day of the show.
I went out.
There was me, Melanie Camacha and he had one other person I forget who It wasn't then he went on, I went out there, I forgot everything. Me and my brother wrote down. Oh but because I was home and it was Baltimore City and I knew the lingo, I knew what they loved. I knew what I know. We love some damn crabs. I know you know. I'm born and raised there. I can only speak to my city.
Who better.
So killed it killed. It did a solid good ten twelve minutes, and Martin was right there standing on the side because he wanted to see how I did right, and it was amazing. And that's when I was like, I'm gonna do this.
Give me give my rush More Baltimore comedians. Now you know what, Baltimore, I'm gonna take it broad. You get four comedians because a lot of times people be trying to put seven, eight people on Mount Rushmore. Four am so give me your Mount Rushmore comedians, pastor dead or alive. It does not matter. Man, woman, it does not matter. You can have four women, You could have four men. You can do it both, mix a match, It does not matter. Give me just hilarious. If she said, okay, Jess, who are you my Rushmore comedians?
Bernie mac kat Williams Kevin Hart. Oh that last one.
Mm hmm.
And sure, I'm just gonna say just hilarious because I want I wanted to. You know, it's it's hard.
It's hard. You went with a lot of a lot of the modern comedians and not and then and then go for go back too much like Richard Prown.
Oh no, because I'm gonna be completely honest with you. I didn't study them. I didn't really watch them, you know what I mean.
I didn't touring with comedians. What's that like? Going on the road with comedians? Do y'all interact or do you Hey, I'm in my dressing room when it's time for me to go out, I go out, I go back, I boom, I'm out me.
I don't really interact.
A lot with or you stand off with people?
No, no, no, I'm stay in my space. Is shit, That's what I am because you know, just it's a lot that goes into it, you know what I mean. And then not that I'm not friendly, you know what I mean? But I treat work like work, you know what I mean?
You ain't trying to get close to nobody. Help.
No, And it's not even purposely. I'm not trying. I just don't, you know, it's a lot of just I know, I don't.
I'm not.
You won't catch me hanging out.
You know.
The most hanging out that I've done is on Why Out. You know, I love my wilding Out family. I love all those comics there and everything. But yeah, that's that's but that's it though, you know, I will say like people like you know, what is his name, Bill Bellamy. He's a great person. Mike Epps. Like Epps was the first person to call me to drop gems, Like like he was the first person that I actually talked to that I could say, like was mentoring me about ownership and just just a lot of different things like where I think he made mistakes in his first I mean in the early getting started. Yeah, and then he would make things clear to me so I can not make those same mistakes and things like that.
You mentioned being a rope. Mikel F's, Ricky Smiley, Monique and Bruce Bruce. What's what's some of the crazy story? Because these it's the old guard I mean I used to see Bruce Bruce in Atlanta. Monique's been at a while, Mike F's been at this thing, you know, probably three decades, Ricky Smiley has been at the same thing, one of those when you're on the road, do you do you try to pick their brain and try to get get info or how to do this thing, how to go about it? Am I doing it right? What should I do different? Are you know, trying to get advice? No?
You know what, No, I'm not trying to get advice. And I don't. Yeah, no, I don't try because this is the thing. Yo. I don't even like to watch other people stand up because I don't. It's very easy to emulate somebody without doing it, without calling that you do it, you know what I mean? Like, I remember this one day I watched Sebastian I forgot his last name. He's a comedian. I watched him all day and I had to show that night and I went on stage and I found myself speaking like this man, and I'm like, ah, I can't do that, you know. But so I don't watch stand up. I don't try to pick anybody's brain. I will say Lunel and Leslie Jones, those two, they they're really really good women. I love those two women to death, like that, anytime that they feel the need something that's laid on their heart. They reach out to me and they I don't even ask them for advice, They just give it, give it. And I love those two because they're very supportive of me.
I had Kat on and he said, Jess hilarious is one of his favorite up and coming comedians.
Yeah, I saw that. I saw that listen. Kad was doing a lot of things up here. So when they saw yes, it took me. First off, it took me four days to watch all, you know, because I ain't he always up here. For ten hours, I was like, damn, I hope say they ain't had nobody else after him, but but listen they I started watching it and then everybody called on my phone, yo, you singing what? Kat Williams said, I'm like, what do you say? I'm like, Then they sent me they said no, he's it was great, And I went and watched and I said, okay, good, let me breathe. Because I had only heard about everybody else that he didn't have anything nice to say about. So I was like, oh God, how the hell would I do?
You know?
But I'm glad because he's actually one of my favorite comedians too, like his earlier stuff. Oh my god, I love Kat. I grew up on Cad Williams.
You mentioned an interview. What do you think hmmm?
I think you need have to ask no questions. You didn't have to have. You didn't, you didn't.
Why didn't get mad at me?
Though, Jess, I don't know why they got mad. They shouldn't have got mad at you. First of all, listen, Cat only do interviews when he got something to say, yes, right, yes. It ain't like you called him and say, look, come up here, I got something.
I have been trying to get him for a year.
I get it.
Yeah, and you know he don't. He drives it. Well, he takes the bus, and so he was gonna be on this side of town. Yeah. And you know a metal lady that hitting her job and she was going to be his executive assistant. Yeah. So I've been trying to line him up for a year. I talked to her one Friday. The following friday, he's sitting on the couch and so now, mind you, when he comes in, he's already on one.
Yeah, that's what That's what I'm saying. So I don't know why they got mad at you. I'm telling I tell you one thing, though, it was good for you and it was good for him to.
It, it was great for me. Yeah. It really put me on the map. Yeah, yeah, put me on the map, and it made people take my platform very very serious, serious, and advertising sponsors took notice of that. Yep, and a lot of good and hopefully it was mutually beneficial to him. Absolutely, But you know, he had a lot to say about gatekeepers. Yeah. Do you believe there's such a thing.
Yeah, I do.
I do believe there.
I believe it kicks in if a certain person don't like you, maybe you said something to offend the friend of someone, or you know you or you know you offend a community of people or.
Whatever, however it goes.
Yeah, there is always someone who makes that decision or maybe a group of people that makes that decision whether or not to indulge in affairs with this person or you know business.
You know. Yeah, I do believe in gatekeeping. Though, were you on joke stealing? Because Kat had a lot to say about jokes. Deal he felt he said a joke, said stole the joke, but he used a different apparatus. One guy used the caddy, the other guy used the Spaceship. Some people say, bro, if there's that serious, write a new joke. If it was that easy for him to steal the joke, the joke wasn't that deep to begin with. Where where is Jess Hilarius on joke stealing?
Listen? I remember a time when I first started comedy, right, telling you, I never studied the art of it. I didn't know. And I sat at a show and there was this comedian from Baltimore, right, and she had a joke about squirting, right. I didn't like the way she told it, right, So I said, all right, I'm gonna take it, spin it around, throw a little jets on that bitch, and I'm gonna retell it.
Right.
And I did that. And there is a comedian og by the name of Larry Lancaster who had pulled me to the side at the end of that show and was like, Hey, you can't do that, you know, because this comedian did that. That's very big in this culture. You cannot do that in the culture of comedy. Cannot steal. And I was like, and even if I remix it, it's not stealing, it's just it's the same idea. But he said no, because you went online and said that you were going to steal the joke, and I did do that. So I was like, I just didn't know the rules of it. But that was the first and the last time I'd ever done something like that, you know. And and I didn't realize why she was so mad, like damn, just write another joke or tell it better than me, and I give it back.
To you, you know what I mean.
But it was but I'm like, nah, this is really an art. This is really rules to this thing.
You know.
You can't do that.
And so yeah, I mean, I guess people look at it like a song. Yeah if you say, if I sang the song and then you come behind it and sing it, will write a better song. No, bro, you my stuff man, And no, you got to give it back.
It ain't sure.
So yeah, I do not steal jokes.
Yeah, And that is it.
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Tell me the process of writing a set. So let me ask you a question. How long are your sets? Thirty minutes?
I am on stage when I headline hour fifteen minutes.
Fifteen minutes. So tell me the process. So say you doing you do week Thursday, Friday? Maybe you got two shows Friday, two shows Saturday, blah blah blah. Okay, and you're gonna be on the road for let's say six weeks. Yeah, uh, how do you go about riding a set that's gonna be able to stand the test of time for that six weeks? And you're probably gonna be on stage twenty five thirty times.
So see, I don't really write jokes out because I found that when I do that, I sound very rehearsed. And so what I do is I have bullets, and I have a writer session every week with my brother, the one who opens up for me my feature DOSSI Alexander, and we just bounce off of each other, you know, And I don't.
Yeah, I don't really like to write.
You know. I have thirty minute set crafted for when I do thirty minutes. Then I have a twenty minute set when I do features on other shows, like when I open up for Bill Bellamy and Bruce Bruce and all those people, you know, things like that dal Hugh Glee and Ricky Smiley and all that. But I, yeah, I don't. I don't really write. It's all up in here. I just have bullets and that's that's how that goes.
A lot of people, and they've pulled me to the side, just said Shannon, there's a lot. Look, it wasn't so much of what Kat said is that he pulled a curtain back and allow people to see something that we've been trying to keep secret. And so I think that's really Look, he called out a lot of people, yeah, a lot of prominent, powerful people. But it was more so that what he allowed people to see, because I don't think the general consensus is damn is that kind of animosity and vitriol in the in the comedic community.
Yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah, he was letting me, let me know things I didn't know either, Like watching it, I'm like, dang, I didn't know that, you know what I mean? But those were different times, and you know it's better now.
But it's hard for you to know because you don't really get down with anybody.
So you do your own thing and you out No yep, I know some comics will get mad at you for doing shows with people that they got beef with, and so they won't put you on the show yet unless you were me or somebody, you can just do shows on your own, you know what I mean? Like, Yeah, that's that's you kind of gotta play the game, and that's that's so weird to me.
You'll strike me as somebody like to play games.
Hell no, not no game, not ever.
You ever got into it with comedians?
Have I ever got into it with a comedian? Hell yeah, I got into it with a comedian about what? Hm, you know, go fish through them cards?
I know you got I don't know nothing. Zz I mean, I just I've just you know, I thought you was gonna be like you know, we.
Just we thought I was gonna be like come up here with something to say and be like, look, No, I'm just.
Saying, I'm just I'm just asking you what was it about.
Yeah, well, uh Corey hocom that that is a comedian that I got into it with. I did a photo shoot with my son and it went viral. I was naked, my son was not. I had my son had on Jordan's The only thing I had on was Jordan's and he was covering me, was covering my boobs, my private area, and he had on clothes. And I did the shoe. I posted it. It goes viral. Right the next morning, I wake up to uh Corey Hokum calling me a whoreror and you know, a black horror and saying that my son would be gay and this is why a lot of our young black men are gay because of Black Horse, Like just hilarious and things like that. And he was I do not know. I still have not got the chance to see this man. That was the reason why I went to Wilden out to see this man.
And you didn't And he wasn't there that day.
No, I made the show. But I'm like, thank you, Nick, but where's where's car?
He's on her hand here?
So why are you? Cause you know why I'm coming up here, Nick, because that's why you reached out to him, because I flamed him. I was roasting him back to back three days straight, and that's.
Why you reached out. Nick.
You knew I wanted to see him. He said no, but you got on the sure.
Thank you? You let it go? Now, Hell no, I ain't let it go. No, I didn't let it go.
I mean, it's it's it wasn't even so much about him talking about me. You don't say that kind of thing about somebody child, you know what I mean? You just you just don't say stuff like that, you know. But then I realized he don't have a relationship with his mother, you know what I mean, He doesn't have a relationship.
With his kids.
He told one of his kids, after them, he'll make another one, you know. So it's you know, and the way he talks about his family, you know, something like, h he has other issues obviously, you know, very dirty person, right, yeah, till.
But what's the audition process like? For a while 'n.
Out they well how it was for me. I don't know how how it's changed. But well, I don't even think it's gonna be no more wild enough?
But really, huh, yeah, what happened, just like Sowing.
And Zeus Network, viacom. Oh they want it back huh yeah, well apparently they ain't take it. Nick didn't take it. Well, well yeah, that's what they're saying. They saying that he took the whole idea and the whole concept of wilding out and took it over the Zeus with Lamel and them over there. So oh that's what they're saying. So ain't a wilding out now? I don't think.
But either way, the question that you would ask me refresh.
My mind again.
Now, how do you audition? How do you how do you audition for a wild out? And then how do you make the show?
Okay, back, wait because I don't know how it's changed, but back then you go, they'll they'll have it at a hotel, like in one of the Banquea halls or whatever, and then you go in there and then Nick wants you to joke on the spot, you know, go back and forth with somebody, or like a rap battle, because the thing is wild style. Everybody's favorite thing is wild style. It wasn't my favorite thing because I ain't just thinking of Valentine. That girl can rap for days and days I'm talking about. But they they'll have you do that, and they'll give you a topic and you just spitch jokes on it, you know what I mean. And then you'll just go back and forth with somebody like cracking on them, joking and roasting and stuff. And then if they like you enough, he'll tell you Okay, yeah, I got you, You're on it, or we'll call you back something like that.
See, he already knew what I was capable of.
That's why he reached out anyway, So I didn't have to go through a second step. You know, I just got it.
What's your favorite moment of the show? But do you get up saying, because hey man, they'd be going in hard some just hey hey I might have had a swag on somebody. Uh oh, trust me.
People want people have guests have canceled, guests have sent them stuff like, look, I'm gonna come up there, but y'all can't talk about this and.
This, and y'all talk about this this and eighty.
Five South which is Carlos DC and ch Goo. They be like, well, why are you coming up here? Because you already know we don't we don't go by that. We don't play we man, come on now, and then Nick, let let us do what we want on the show. It's like whatever we joke Nick. You know, Nick is always the butt of the jokes, so it's.
Like what Chico, Chico got him? Good man?
Ooh, them three stay on, Nick, Like, oh my god. I don't even know how I would have been put them off my show. I don't ye yeah, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I love them though.
They what's your favorite? Who's your favorite Wildern? I guess.
The favorite wild Out guests or cast member, guest guest.
I ain't gonna lie. I don't got no favorite wild Enough guess.
I ain't gonna hold you. The best episode that I watched, though I ain't gonna lie, was the one with t Pain and the one with Chance the Rapper. I wasn't there. I was off filming other things. But yeah, I can't really say. Wendy Williams, I ain't gonna lie. I got to meet Wendy Williams and she knew who I was, and I roasted her. She talked about me on her show after that. Shortly after that, she after she came. But Wendy Williams was very fun. She was very fun. She came, she played the game. She wasn't scared of nobody.
She know how she is.
So she said, hey, y'all, bring it on. I love that boss nickas good godfair man. He praise before every show. He's he's really really.
A good dude.
I will always and forever respect Nick for this. So I did two seasons of Wilding Out right, and then I got cast it for the sitcom rel on Fox right, and I was gonna be series lead. And so that meant that I had to move to LA and I couldn't shoot Wilding Out and there was a season of that coming up, and so I went and I talked to Nick. I said, Nick, there's this show I want to do season whatever it was of Wilding Out, but I got casted, you know, to do real and said, Yo, go we're talking about this will always be your home. Whenever you want to come back or even if you don't, whatever, you always got a place on this show. That ain't me crying do That was that?
That was dope.
He was like, Yo, I see more for you. I see this for you. I saw this for you. Go ahead and you just come back when you're done. Like while I was gonna be here till.
It ain't in private. You rag on Rick Nick about all them kids.
In private and public, I'd be like, damn, come on now, man. Yeah, I just felt like, I don't know. In my opinion, I felt like that marriage messed that man up, and now he's over compensating for something he couldn't compensate for. That's just what it is. You know, he may get angry at that, and it wouldn't be the first time Nick got mad at me about a comment. But you know, I just I don't know. And I'm not to say that he's just making kids for the fun of it, but you know, would it seems like but I know he loves all of his children dearly, you know. But yeah, I'm just like, God, damn, you're purposely doing this, purposely doing this, so.
You blame him with the lady just allowed him to know he's purposely doing this.
M Well, I would honestly say it would have to be on the woman, right, because it's your body. He ain't the one having the kids.
And you know it, men can't have kids, right.
I'm gonna say it for the people in the back. Men can't have kids. So you know it's the women.
Maybe the first make that decisions. Maybe the first two they didn't know. Yeah, but three, four, five, six, seven.
They yeah, come on now. And then the one that's brewing right now. Probably if it is one, I don't know. I don't know, but we never know because ever since they said Elon must got thirteen, Now, Meek Mail and Nick and all of them, they're like, oh no, we can't, we we must.
Us is worth four hundred and thirty.
I keep trying to tell he's there's a different because one thing Nigga's gonna do is nig And I keep telling them, y'all can't nig with him, Yes, no, no, no, he can't do that. Yeah, and and Meek for Mick Mill to say, Yo, I can't let Elon must have more baby mothers than me. Sir, you're looking at it wrong. Elon Musk made what one hundred and seventy seven billion dollars in the last thirty days? Yeah, with your mindset should be so, I can't let this man. How did this man is rich? I need to get on that. But you're talking, your mind is so in the bottom.
Youre thinking about baby. What you're talking about this bad thinking about dollars exactly. Come on, now, okay, you said Nick and Sue and Viacom. He's suing Viacom is Sue and him?
Yes, it said that's that was in the headlines.
Right now with the Bad Versus Wild show.
Bad Versus Wild and Zeus. It ain't only Nick is Zeus Network?
Yeah? What about Drake? This? This Drake suing universal about what transpired with him and Kendrick over this. I mean, this might be the greatest disc song. Yeah, no it is. I thought with no Vassa lead, I thought I hear him up, I thought ether A Shetha with Remy Mab, I was like, hold on, but this five Grammys, I mean, and he hit lining the super Bowl and number one on the charts again.
And why wouldnety performed that song?
What got you? Yeah? You got to Now it's like your best joking. You don't You're not gonna tell it what you mean?
I ain't gonna tell it on my special what please?
I get that way up.
I don't care who would make mad it is? It is what it is now because there's like a double sided thing with that. Now while rap is raped, there are no rules. Yeah, you hit below the belt. Kendrick just went to hell with it.
Well, so that's how I know I ain't going low. I'm going to hell. Yep, that's right.
I love you, Michelle Obama, but nah, we're gonna have to take it down there. And yeah, and I get it. But I will say Drake does have a valid argument when it comes to losing brands over such an accusation, like you know, the pedophile thing and you saying that you know, I like little girls and you know what I mean, it's just and that that's surely could cost you some business, you know, some money sponsors and endorsements and all of that type of stuff, you know, going as far as because these are this is these and these are the people that they help you where you are, and that that gives you the tricks of the trade, and because some of your songs, I don't know how the hell they made it to Yeah, like what's the two sy slide? I don't and that wo number one. I'm so now you know how whether you know they use those tricks of the trade for Kendrick, whether they did that or not, you once benefited from that, you know.
So that's the problem. It helped you get to where you got.
Yeah, now you're going to turn around and sue. So I think he's stepping into something that he probably would regret later.
I met your question. You think he's lost business because of the pedo accusations. Yeah, yeah, I do, I really really do.
And I honestly think that's why he's been also just like quiet as well, and then going to all these other countries to perform and things where where all of that stuff in America ain't really like there to bother him as much in Australia. Ain't nobody, ain't gonna be you.
No people because people like it's just words. I don't like people play on my name yet. Yeah, And like you said, they maybe that accusation has caused them some advertiser, sponsors and that business opportunities because there are people playing with my name. And I was just like, you know what, and I had to ask myself and I went to my agency. I said, look, has anybody has I lost any business because of what they're legit? It's like no, So I let it go because if had I had, then I'm gonna have to see some of these people. I'm gonna say, So what you own.
That's right, that's right now. But see, your accusations ain't as bad as the accusations that he Like when somebody call you a pedophile and then a certain the certified on it. Yeah, I'm not just a pedophile.
Yeah, I'm a certified You got papers and everything. You know you were, you certified, You got paper damn right, Hey no school district, case stay here, case, stay there, you don't check.
In, That's right. So that's like you say that if I was, and if I was tied to any business with Drake, I would be looking like all right, well, what's up?
What's going on? But they said, well you talked about that man family, you say this, this is your child ain't here. So you said, hey, if you go low, we going to hell.
Yeah, but that ain't got no weight up against the those rumors. Well, I mean that, that accusation, So I get it.
I guess it's a situation just where you step on my tour and somebody knock you out. You're like, bro, you have to do it like that.
You're right, right, you know what I'm saying all the off. But he did say he did give a warning and euphoria. He did he said, all right, I'm a chill out, but you know what I'm saying, I ain't he gave the warning like y'all, but I ain't gonna lie. He ate him up in euphoria even more than not like us.
Yeah, he called Drake Kendrick. I mean, Drake called Kendrick a woman beater than Kendrick called Jacob pedophile. I mean, whether it about it? What do you think do you think this initiated about have anything to do with the women? Because we know guys were a rams, we'll butt heads about a female.
I honestly don't think I had anything that did good woman. I think that's more so like a Drake thing. I think Drake would get mad over a woman before Kendrick would.
And I don't know.
Either one of these brothers. But knowing what I what we've all seen and how we know, Drake is a very emotional person. Kendrick is a very healed verson like he rapped like he is in therapy currently. Yes, you know what I mean, And he goes deep with things. I think that that I don't think it's a white woman. Yeah, uh huh, he just passed you listen. He rapping for ancestors and everything. Yes, you know, once upon a time we was like the beness. Oh lord, yeah you know? So yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't think it was over a woman.
I don't. What about DJ academics taking shots at you while seemingly supporting Drake? You know, do you know him? Have you ever met him?
I ain't never met his badass never. I'd never met him in my life and I never will because he's always in the basement.
So chess who always in the basement? Child? Why why? Why people could? Why why people come for us? I don't.
I don't know, Shannon, you know, I guess because we're very confident people. People love to see you win. Until you win, you win, you know what I mean? They love they they want you. They want you to be.
Cocky.
No, they want you to win, but they don't want you to be cocky with it. They don't want you to celebrate yourself. They put a ceiling, people will put a ceiling on you. Ain't no ceiling over here. I'm going straight up right, I don't care how long it takes me to get there. I'm not gonna play no games. I'm not gonna cut no corners. You know what I mean, unless it's all legitimate. But people put a ceiling on you, and I think that's the problem. People don't want to see you win until you surpassed with winning to them, you know, And then now it's, oh, she need to calm down, Oh he need to calm down, Like, no, don't get above yourself. For why why are you trying to keep me humble?
Right?
What is that?
No? Why you're right? Because the thing is when I was at when I was at Fox and my termator and I got ended up. Let go, people like, man, they did you wrong, YadA, YadA, YadA. Then I start winning. ESPN picked me up. I'm on the bigger platforms, right my podcast, I started another podcast and it goes and so now everybody got a problem. Yeah, I'm the same Shannon. I was the same Shannon that y'all love when I supported Colin Kaepernick. I was the same Shannon that when things transpired that I spoke positive about my people. Ain't nothing changed. I'm just winning a little more. And now it's a problem.
Yeah, yeah, I don't.
I don't.
I don't get that about us because they put a ceiling on you. You weren't supposed to do all of that. You weren't supposed to. You were supposed to just fall by the wayside and do what they had in their mind for.
You to do.
But you surpassed a lot of people's expectations.
When you when you see negative comments about Jess, do you what's what's the first thing that goes through your mind.
I'm gonna get there. But then it's like, I am reformed. I have come so much further than that. And my growth in that is just like, look, you can't beat everybody. You can't respond to everybody, you can't win them all. Listen, it's like whatever.
You can't go to war with everything.
You can't go to war with everybody. You can't but them I do, yeah, because because listen, if a come and gets you crazy, I like to go to your page and scroll and don't have you don't have it public, and I can scroll down and look at you and look at your your parents and see who made you and see.
Who you look like, and you look like your dad.
I'm gonna tell you, yeah, yeah, so yeah, Now I don't talk about nobody kids though, but yeah, don't try me. That's it.
You kids are always gonna be off hell. Yeah. Yeah.
I believe once you talk about somebody kids, they can say anything to you.
It don't matter.
It don't don't talk about nobody's children, y'all. And and you can say anything back. I don't care what it is. You see whatever you to hit below, somebody talk about your children children innocent.
You talked about this a little earlier the TV show with Little Reales on Fox with Simbad, So tell me Tim a little bit about it.
It was amazing. It was amazing working with Symbad, like he dropped so many Yes, he dropped so many gems. That was the person because I'm trying to see her and think when you asked me a little bit earlier, anybody ever give you any advice Simbad? But it wasn't. It wasn't for stand up. It was just like in general Lifefe and yeah, but he is a comedian that did give me advice on that set. It was It was nice. It was amazing working That was the first time I'd ever been a part of a big production like that. They treated me well. Money was great, especially coming from Wilno. Yes, I was like, okay, Fox, what okay, I'm old parking spot. I got you know, you money, I get money to eat and all types of stuff it listen, Fox, they treat their people will so yes, but it was amazing. And then Reil had a different o g come every single episode. So he that that's what was unique about his show. So Florence from the Jeffersons, Yes, yes, oh Marlly she was there. She was amazing. Then he would have he had Leon. Leon ain't got no last name. Leon? Is we know Leon the Temptation? Yeah, it's just Leon.
Yeah, Leon.
He was there and it's Leon still. But it's just just a series of ogs. And just like people before our time who came and who was still like their season, but they are like that, and they they came through and they showed up for him, you know, for that that that first season. And although the show was canceled, Yeah, you ain't had to say it. I was gonna say, Okay, damn he made sure it got canceled.
No, but but I want I wanted to ask. I mean, twelve episodes that got canceled, So how did that make you feel? I mean, did you think you're gonna get picked up for a season two? I did? I did?
I honestly, I did. I thought we were going to get picked up. While I felt like the writing could have been better and I felt like it could have depict us more. It was a lot of people pleasing happening because hmm, you really gotta be careful how you move in terms of making a project based on a culture, like based on our culture. You know, it's going on Fox, you know what I mean. And at first I wasn't even gonna be cast it because they thought that I was too green for it in those terms. She has never done this before, so we don't basically, we don't trust that she will be a great you know, quanodity for the show.
But Ro.
Picked me and and also Carmichael. Carmichael picked me for me to be in there along with Roll as well. But it was just a lot of things that we didn't resonate with that they wanted to change the script to, and and Ral would push back and Girra would push back, and you know, but I just think, I just think, you.
Think they should have been a little bit more mable, you.
Know, it just could have been and I think that's what we were missing on the show. But you know, you learn and it was Rel's first show, and I think, honestly it was even too early for him to have a show of his own.
You mentioned that those TV checks that hit.
Different, especially over there at Fox.
You had to spent You had spent a couple of them checks already expected the next new season.
Listen, I still got a lot of money from Fox. Yes, I still do. I still get money from wild Out. They always send me like nine dollars eighty eight cent checks every now and then.
You know, I can use that.
I use that, go to Chipotle, get a couple of aver juices.
So you know something. Let me ask you a question. What is something that you wish you knew before you got into the TV business.
M hmm, something that I wish I knew before I got into the TV business, because I think.
If you were, if you were to do another TV show, you would be even more prepared than you were with that one, because you know things that you didn't know when you did that. Yeah, yeah, hmm.
I honestly, I honestly don't wish I knew anything but before I would literally do this all over again.
I would. I would.
I would As it relates to people, though, I wish I knew certain agendas or the agendas of certain people that that claims, you know, to be so close. I love you you like family, you know what I mean? I wish I knew the agendas of certain people, you know. Yeah, which is why I don't hang out with people in the industry. I don't like to receive advice from everybody. I don't even like everybody praying for me.
No they're not. They praying but not for the good, that's right. So I don't. Yeah, everybody, you know I pray for you, don't please don't because I already do what the God say. God should have told you.
Look, she don't want you to She told me, don't be accept the prayers from you.
So you know, Little Reel is really l I l Rail now no, oh hell yeah. Why did everybody believe that man on that he needed.
To put the tea the two tea's yeah, in the name not just little, it's little real Now he's literally little Reil Now.
I mean I had him on. He thin, he thin thin yeah, jes people thinking on that zipp yeah. And he said he now we got that package. He said, what baggage? What baggage is that it's on the card. But you know, you know when black people you you lose a little weight black people.
Oh you talking about that? I know you, damn right. And that's that's in any city. I ain't gonna say that's growing up in Baltimore City. In any city where it's black people, you're getting sick.
Damn you can't. I got a jail membership. I just I'm on crack. Like, all right, we lose weight, you know, but why we like that like that? That's how we grew up. Yes, a drastic chain. Oh yeah, I'm going on. Yep.
And if you're big, I mean, if you're small and you blow up, you on depot.
That's what they say for the women.
All she must have got that Debora Vara shot that birth control. Yep, you know, but I don't. I don't know. I he said that he wasn't. We had him up a Berkele's club. He totally turned down the rumors of being on Ozimbic and he said he's working out, and he said he's the happiest he's ever been in his life.
You know, because I knew he was suposed to get married, because when he came on us, he was supposed to get married.
Yeah he's married. I believe he is married. I don't know. No, No, no, he might he might be because he refers to her as his wife, so they may have gotten married already.
The BBL. Do you think, Hollywood is this? Is this what women just want to do or there's a pressure of societal pressure to do this?
I think. I think a lot of people are not happy with their bodies, and now that they're there is a way that you can change that, you know, And at first it really wasn't affordable to a lot of people, but now it is. You can put you can make payments on you know, your surgery and everything. And I used to joke about it, but it's like, you know what if there is something seriously wrong with you, to you and now you have all of these resources to fix it, you know, why not go ahead? I just I just wish women would do it in moderation, like all these repeat offenders. I know, girls that go and get life pole twice a year. Yeah like that. You know, I ain't working out what I look like working out? I can call a doctor's such that such. Yeah, you can also die too, dunny, Like I don't you know what I'm saying, like, you just because you've done this before, you don't ever have that thun in your mind that this may be the time I don't wake up. This may be they may hit an artery or nerve or something in a vein, you know.
But the thing is, I mean, some of them, it's just too crazy. I mean, it should be subtle. Look, if you want to do it, that's your body, let it be subtle. But when it's look at them like and everybody like exactly, I'm on now, I know. I mean, you can't. You can't be one hundred and fifty pounds with a fifty pound fifty pound booty, I know.
Yeah yeah, or when you or when you already start off three hundred pounds and then you go get life, oh you get the fat sucked out the middle part, and then now it's I don't know, it looked like they.
Want to be like they want to be like like they have these little teeny tiny weight.
Yes big yeah, and then you big down there and and it's it's just not proportioned, right even.
If you got a big but your back can't be bought of the mind and think it's sexy.
That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm.
Saying, would you do would you do? Well? Would I do it? I wouldn't do it again.
I've actually had a fat transfer and I've had my boobs done.
Yes, I mean I don't. I don't really think. I don't really people don't really look at booths like that and something drafted. But when they getting when they keep going back and getting fillers and and all that other stuff.
Yeah, I got my BBL back when it was called a fat transfer. Okay, it wasn't called a BBL because I didn't get my butt lifted. That's why I said. I don't know why they called it a Brazilian butt lift.
It was.
It was called a fat transfer before. And I got it done in Atlanta and and it was fine. But when I went my doctor had told me like, look, yo, you don't got enough fat to be I said, listen, I'm like Gina Waters. I got a lot of muscle on my sides. I've never had hips. Give me hips, please, And he was, you have yeah, like I would like it would be dented then, and I'm like, yo, I'm tired of looking strong like I just you know, I want I want some type of you know.
And so he's sorry.
Were gonna feel out as much as we can. But one thing you need to know about fat. When you take it out and all the fluid drained from it, it's not what it looks like. So you're gonna the swelling is gonna go down, and it's probably gonna look the same. I said, do it anyway. And so that's why people don't believe that I did get a BBL because it doesn't really look like it. But I think I got one of the most natural looking surgeries ever.
Doctor who but your sister called you out for that her.
Yeah, that Hafa tried me real bad because she got fired.
Why you tell her?
Guess see, my God said, So, I've been knowing this girl since I was two years old. She cam because I got I fired her. She was working for me, she was my driver. Listen, I didn't even have a job opportunity for her. I created a job for this girl, right, And oh my god, it hurt me so bad that she did that. And she claimed it hurt her so bad because I fired her. And yes, she she had children and you know.
What she doing. So why did you fire? I fired her?
Because she wasn't doing her damn job. Listen, this girl. We was on the road, right and this girl stole my wig and my car to go do something, go meet I don't know if it was a meet a guy something. We and we're in another city. How you know somebody down here in Florida? And why would you take my wig? I was supposed to wear it on stage tonight.
You can still wear it that night, but.
Stage that night. And she gave it back, but she gonna gonna come in there with some flowers and you took my car. And then the security I had at the time, he liked that serious. So he ain't even tell me until I woke up, like, oh, she was supposed to have been back. She went to go get something for you the whole time. No, she went to get something for her.
She got it, yeah, and she probably had the wig on it she did.
I get back my wig off, smelly, I'm like, what's going on? Yeah, it sex somebody else sex wig. I'm like, yo, through the show, look and you'll fight it.
So that's it. So how hard does it work with family? Oh? My god, I might say, because you hear a lot some people say it's okay, some people say no family friends. When you come to business. When it comes to work relationship, leave it alone, leave it alone.
Sometimes it can work, Shan, Sometimes it can, but oftentimes it will not. And then sometimes it starts off great and it can go for years and years and years, and then a person you'll see the jealousy, you'll see because now they're paying attention to your pockets. Yeah yeah, to what you're going to do and what you could do for them, right, you know, and how you can. And then sometimes people want to be you, and you don't even realize that, you know what I mean, and so they become First at first it feels like a weird obsession until they get upset with you about something, and then they start telling you they are the reason that you are where you are, you know what I mean. So yeah, now you ain't even help, right, none of this, none of us.
You don't get up every morning and get on the show.
Listen, you don't. You don't. You're not flying back and forth, and you're not being away from your damn kids, and you're you're not having to deal with controversy after car and trying to figure out like how you can keep this ship moving without me, none of y'all eat. And I need y'all to know that. And I don't even like throwing that out there like that, but that's that's.
Me right there.
You know. I gave y'all jobs and positions, and y'all just I just did whatever with it, taking advantage. And I'm a really really kind hearted person. I'm not a pushover, but I love very hard and I had to, yes, and I had to make some very tough decisions firing family and actually not speaking to a few of them.
Now.
Yeah, man, people still and people just yeah, they sabotage you if they feel like they ain't getting enough.
You know, you were the first lady of BML. How was that experience?
Working with Ifica Fox? Was amazing? I love her, I love her, love her. She checks on me, she hits me up, she checked them even after doing the production, doing after doing the movie with her. So yeah, that was amazing. That was good doing that.
But you had a little you, you and little meet you had a little issue, y'all. Y'all resolved that.
No, I think he got other stuff to do now, like he got some other resolving he needs to do at this point. But he had came to wallinot Yeah, and he's a little busty. Yeah.
Oh and you know that's all I said, you know, but I didn't say it first.
I ain't even going to hey, y'all will meet Musty. It was somebody else, I mean, from another city. No, I co signed it.
Oh okay, all right.
I SA did smell that one time.
That he was up there. If you get apartment and you can't get it, and I coach sided, you don't pay for it, they gonna hit up. Yeah.
Yeah, so they But it was one of his fans who he did a club hosting, and she had went online and she had said lord min stink and then we reported it up at the breakfast leven I said, well, he did have a little stitch when he came up at walling out. You know, it wasn't nothing too crazy. He could have been out the night before and it just didn't have time and hit the showers, you know, but he got upset, and you know because he was with Somemer Walker. Yeah, they got he needed you need to tell him. They got wipes, but I got the wipes.
Whoa, whoa. So some of Walker came here, came A. Yeah, man.
She she was like she ain't like, come at me crazy, but you know when some are being loved, she being loved and she don't, well, it don't care what, It don't matter what them guys do. She gonna go back, go to back for them guys. Right now, she had came out and she was just like this little girl want him or something like that. I'm like, little girl, baby, excuse me.
Huh.
But around my birthday right this is c I Double A weekend. This was two years ago. I had a birthday party and little Meach was in town for c I Double A. He was doing a party right down the street from my birthday party. I DMed him and said, hey, did cause I wanted some more star power at my party. I said, hey, I don't know what you're doing after your party, but if you want to stop past my birthday party, we do have a section for you or whatever, you know, something like that.
This man screenshot of that.
And posted it after I said that he was a little musty, you know, like I was trying to get with him. And then what I got mad at summer about was you so damn dumb you think that was me trying to get at him. If I was summer, I'd have been like, no, baby, this ain't nothing to use. This is not like you can't post this if you're gonna come at a come at her. But she ain't trying to get with you here, like come on, let just let's just use your mind as a woman or your heart as a woman. Like you know, I wasn't trying to get with that little boy. He looked like Rob Schneider, you know, the guy to do this, bigger old male.
But she call you a name.
No, then she called me a lot of names. I think she just said, this little girl with there's something, are you shet me ugly? Oh my good?
Use one chromosome away. I an't even know.
She even said that word. She said one chromosome away from what there's.
Two chromosomes if you me mm hmm.
She I'm gonna pray for her too.
I'm glad you didn't know that.
I'm glad I didn't. I'm glad that you told me, no.
Let it go.
But I had no idea let it go. That she tried to call me one of them let it go, all right, That's that's what he did.
He let it go.
And nothing. Then she had to move on and do add to all of that. That cousin wasn't that cousin. That cousin was somebody he was dealing with, and so he let you go.
See there you go.
I can't believe she said that. What's the next question.
This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two is also posted and you can access it to whichever podcast platform you just listen to part one on. Just simply go back to Club Shay profile and I'll see you there.
