We’re back with Season 3, Episode 11 of Club 520, where Jeff Teague and the guys are joined by Shelvin Mack. The guys discuss Shelvin Mack’s Butler run in the NCAA tournament where they made the national championship in back-to-back seasons, and had the city of Indianapolis on fire. Mack speaks on playing for Brad Stevens, and tells a WILD STORY of having to practice the day after the NCAA Championship game. Mack also talks about being part of Kobe Bryant's 60-point game with the Jazz, and what he remembers from that iconic moment in NBA history. Plus, don't miss Shelvin on his Pro-Am game with John Wall and Demarcus Cousins, hooping with Jeff Teague on the Atlanta Hawks, losing to LeBron James and the Cleveland Cavaliers in the playoffs, and becoming good friends with rapper 2 Chainz in Atlanta.
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All right, we're back another episode of Club five twenty Podcasts. I'm the host of My name is DJ Wells. Special guests in the bill to return the guests. If you know, you know, you know what I'm saying. Back then, O O G. Five twenty days. We're gonna introduce my man's last my far I left my dog BI should be hearing out the priles.
How you nasty? Nasty? Let's get to a baby, right, tig? It's crazy? You know what I'm saying.
We started this podcast my boy was in the Black Forest's White license.
You know what I'm saying.
I hate this taking finds every week and got show today in the home Whites.
Man, I don't care, man, you don't care, man, you don't care the fuck that.
Chick man introduced that nigga door Dash chick came in.
How finally that's a quick return. It wasn't that quick to my writing. My dog young not show your tig?
How you what? Man? Chilling? Bro? You know what I mean?
Got Homie in the bill, one of my closest teammates, one of my favorite teammates. But I gotta say something before we start. Oh buddy had y'all messed up in LExEN.
Yeah, Homie.
Uh, it was on Diamond Mitchell's coach, coach whoever he is, don't ever disrespect You're.
Watching a lot of basketball. Then jash with Johns. That's the young kid. He's top top ten in the country.
Yeah, and he tried to disrespect Lexington like that and saying, who shoven Max. We're gonna're gonna find out what are you talking about? What he was about it? Though, I hold you.
That's crazy. It was about it. I don't know. Hard today with the off white and you with it with the te Scotts. He's like paper. I hoping he Man, we got nigga died next week.
Man, but till my left, like I said, Return against Family had the show. One of the coldest college basketball players of all time. Man from the les going crazy, shoving Man, big Dog.
Appreciate you slide once again, Homie.
Yes, sir, Man appreciated you have me. I love your podcast, which I doing.
Uh. Listen to all the stories. You know, all of them true. A lot of people think they're not true. Most of them true. And I lived it, been around and.
Seeing it all.
You've been a part of the stories. You know what I'm saying, they ain't made it. That's why we got this episode. The crazy part is met the sixth agrees of separation with you in this episode, and the whole gang is funny, Like y'all got to talk here about how you first met chill Man. It's a reason why because that's how he met Tig and vice versa.
Well, yeah, this one right here, I met him. He had on a black shirt, some football jeans.
I was flexing it times out right felt jeans. John, This is two thousand and a and this is two thousand and eight.
You know, my dude Berry shoutut to my dog Barry was cutting bro here and then you know she'll just wants to link up with the black people. So I didn't know he was going to the NBA. I had him in the trenches getting his haircut.
Yeah, was at the Dice Games at the trap got I got put.
In office plenty of times.
Everyone thinking I think it's something different of him be hand on Butler's campus all the time.
Shout out to Brad Steve. They thought I was trapping. I had the twenty six on the three hundred, so you look like ice Cube broo. My ship was white than cue. But yeah, I had you know, I took care of my dog wife's here. I wouldn't have had he in them type of situations if I knew he was going to the league. But he was always good with me, and he a Trimmor's legend.
He had me, what's Keith shine? What's it due? If we went to go see he was already getting to it.
Uh No, I took you to walk a flakka.
Yeah, yeah, you did not want my boy to go to the draft.
Get you put you in the city in that but Butler is right in my in my ghetto, so you know it was right there a street. Yeah.
Man, that was so funny about it because when we was at Butler, like, it was like funny to see people come to the school and you know, the panthers at Buller don't tell you anything south of forty second Street.
They didn't show you that Butler bubble, which is a for real bubble out the ways. You didn't know. You wouldn't know.
But when my roommate taught me, he walked to that gas station on thirty eighth Illinois with Donald Yes, true.
Yeah, he was trying to get it. He was trying to get put yeah, be his last chicken. I don't know what he was alter friantship, but it's so funny.
Like you said that, Butler, Bubble, you're safe over there, but outside of that, get smoky.
So y'all linking up over there was funny. And I was okamps at the time.
And I remember hearing pulling up Butler pet He knew this nigga bo hard about with the cars man.
That was crazy. He said, they really thought you was trapping out there. Butler.
People telling on me. He said, I was giving them liquor and all kind of stuff like it was crazy. I wasn't even twenty one yet for real, but I was over there party, you know, make sure my guy was straight. Trying to my dog Emerson Grant. I just saw Ryan Ron coaching for Atlanta. Shout out to Ron, coach right, shout out to Gordon. Oh gosh, my boy, every Jukes too, that's my dad to me. Every Jukes used to well, I can't speak too much on that, but.
Like what's going on, No madded to have him going on for regions.
Shout to my dog jukester Man.
Before we talk about the college days. Man, we gotta talk about high school. You know what I'm saying. You from Lexing went crazy in high school all time me score your high school he the high school coach. How would you feel having to play your team that scored the most buckets and program history?
Here a gun, I'm lay with sh I know you're a gun. I ain't playing with you, you know. On he had eight minutes to get out of see Jeff walking out of sideline. Put this thing out coming out the game.
But no, just being very aggressive going out there trying to score. I knew, uh, something I just had to do to get to the next level. But then playing in the NBA, like with Jeff, other good point guards, being a backup from the majority of the time, you gotta gotta get it in where you get And I love Jeff, you know, being the starting point guard one of my good friends. They tell me every time shoot that thing.
Facts. So we gotta talk about that.
We're gonna go back to the college days, of course, because you wanted the coldest college place of all time.
But how did y'all meet.
Men?
Sure? Yeah, because of be hen so be hen Uh.
He used to come to Atlanta when I played for the Hawk Shell was still in college and be here a coming like my nigga, shall will kill you?
Who is shall like sholar Man play for Butler. That coach was like, no, he's in college. Coach grade saw that the past few weeks.
It was like.
That's what your Yeah, but you was trying to tell me that, Like Butler was good and all this ship and I'm.
Not it's better than wake for us.
Just had played in the Horizon lost to Cleveland. Y'all lost to a Horizon League team. Serious, That's that was our problem. Finish taking serious finish story still interesting. It was like shout out the Norse. I with but so he talking crazy, were about to was getting drafted. We having a pickup game. It was a lockou year baby. So I see shoven mc name on the list of opposite was about to play.
I marked that.
Yeah he's getting killed today. We in Indianapolis. He don't even know, Yeah, he don't know nothing, but he's marked. As soon as he got on the court, I go at him full speed.
Donkey did man, I'm put in there be here like every time like this, she don't know what he what's going on.
I'm not talking to I'm not trying to be his friend in the charity game. I'm not players you all day right there. But some cont.
This program was like one of the bigger matchups Indianapolis was what the DC proram you had, John Wall, the Marcus Cousins, they all came to tell it was all Indiana seam put together.
It was a really big deal.
If you ever see the highlights, as crazy as I'm sure they clip it up, but for being a line you up like that and that's serious of a game is crazy.
It's very it's a lockout. I never played in the NBA. I don't know what's going on.
On the court. I should watching the shot like everybody you know at that time. But you you cooked me that time.
I was just it wouldn't even you Browns playing behre. I got you back though before because when you got the league chased you down.
You got that flock you got was like bro never stopping till you got on the team. When when I got traded Utah, I gave y'all at work in Utah.
Okay, are you sure about you stumbled? We can pull up the clips he talking about your stumbled.
I remember that out.
I remember we got somebody that I'm gonna pull it out, stumble it hit the three in the corner. It's crazy. I don't remember that. Okay, what's you mad at? Game? Ship?
I know, I guess when I first got traded from Atlanta. Uh, I was just going hard, same things. I'm not sure what I have, but I know I played well when I guess my former team.
I just remember when you I know that's gonna be a drop when you were starting and I came back maybe the next year because after I killed you, I went to your house and beat you.
The man this boy, because get on the crazy. It is crazy. But the first time we played all you did hoop though, I remember, I was hyped.
I was like, damn shure hooping. That's the second time we played in Utah because but was mad. He's like, you know, are you gonna play for real tonight? Because your friends on the team.
Here we go.
But he did it to my little brothers. All that to say, I'm the reason why they friends today.
He the reason me and Shill started hanging out. I brought.
Had a lot of great time. Spright, dirty dirty sprite. No, it was just it was just tequila and Spry. We used to talk over the game. For sure, Team Dennis was lit. Team Dennis was lit over team.
But before we get to the NBA Draft, we gotta talk about what you did in college, Bro, Like I said, one of the most underrated college players of all time. I was on campus when y'all went to two back to back national championship games, and you was a very big part of that.
Bro.
That's one of the best runs in college basketball history. For sure, wish world was crazy the first one or the second one?
Uh?
To me, I'll say the second one. The first one was actually like really really good. You know, with Gordon on the team, I think we want like twenty games in a row. The second one snuck in like a c stug it out how to win close Howard, and uh, we want every game. The second one by like last second play. Remember the foul I had against Picksburgh the half court. It was like one of the worst fouls and n c A facts.
I'll tell you that boy if it was drafts back then.
He was trying to cut off. After that, the Rock fo him. So we won that game because mac mharald got fouled. Then also B c u mm hmmm not bc old the men you play against Bay meet them on the last second shot. K We just kept winning at the at the end, just squeaking by, and then we got to the championship.
It was kind of kind of as you know, that was tired, bro. Yeah.
Yeah, went up against a really good team though. It was a bad game. So I went to the game.
It was. It was horrid. It was a very ugly game.
But and to be fair, like y'all were in into one of the best runs in basketball here history, Kimba Walker's run through the Big East National That was one of the best runs you will ever see in basketball.
Six games and six days in the Big East and then ruin his team in the tournament.
It was. It was special.
It was definitely old boy named white Skin, the other one Jeremy Jeremy German. Yeah, it was special for sure. That's the reason why y'all lost. It was cold run the Butler though.
It was really unbelievable though, bring that little school from Indianapolis to the nation.
Wow. But the most fine was like playing her at Lucas All for the championship.
It's crazy that I was there that dude game. Was one of the craziest games ever. I said, next to all de fens, and they didn't say a fucking word until that shot missed off the bank, off the rim.
Bro.
Yeah, that was a really good game and I still hate Kyle Single to this day because of that game. Kyle Singer has never played. I mean, Coy Single was colding get the fucked up. Obviously made to the league, but that was the best time I've seen him playing in his life. He hit every elbow jump shot that game.
Bro.
Yeah, they had a great game plan.
I don't know if you like game planning like that, but they're the only team that forced Gordon to go right and took the heir to go right for that last shot and missed it.
Uh No, this did a good job. But that was a hell of a run. Hell of the game.
One thing I do remember, Coach Stevens had us going to class championship Monday at ten am.
Wow, put out of pockety coach, Coach, talk to him, man, that's why I lost Class Wake Force. Wouldn't that we didn't go to class on Monday. We just had Monday. You ain't going for show? What that was a class that that's crazy. He went to class. Everyone did.
We had a shuttle going back and forth, and y'all was downtown at the hotel. Y'all, we wasn't even on campus.
I remember that. That's crazy. I would definitely not went to class. What I'm sure brand learned from that? Yeah, learn from that. Did y'all do anything the next year? We wasn't on what's name was in Houston? I mean, did y'all have like study hall and stuff? Nah? Butler, I learned. I also hope you ain't taking study out and we recruited the right people. You don't have to do all that stuff. Take care of your business.
Y' didn't have study hard Butler? Noah, Oh yeah, you didn't go to school for real.
We did our work.
Man.
They didn't have to have study study hall because I had three point two in college. I still have study hall. You had to get enough hours that's like eight hours a week, like mandatory. I don't care if you have straight a's or not know that should degree?
Boy?
Now, I went to the NBA now somewhere.
Yeah, I just finished mine up. That's why I said. It took me ten years to do it, but I got it done. Butler back for free.
Uh n b p A.
Oh yeah, I should have did that route too, because Butler charge, Yeah, that's what I right, that's what wait for.
Bro waiting on him. Nothing but a lot of as.
I was a student there, and I remember tuition going up ten grand each year that we went to national championship.
That's about right. I should have did the NB. I can still do that route. But the podcast set up school. I don't really know, man, I add up really.
On they bolo out of pocket, Bro, y'all brought a lot to their program.
Bro, all of y'all, No, for real, that's what that look hoary degrees, but grant the new ADG grand line dot line decker Man help me out.
Okay, that's my dollar.
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How was that? Yeah, Mom is completely different than man, Jeff, Jeff going lottery? Uh, lottery. I had to work out. Damn there, it's better than me. I had had to work out for twenty teams and my class was like loaded. I would say he who was your clubs.
Kyrie Clay Kawhi, Jimmy Butler, Doors, Uh yeah, Kimber Kimber, Cardiac.
Yeah, it was the Morris Twins.
It was it was.
It was stacked Isaiah Thomas. So like we all just had a baller out throughout the no on the come, especially coming from Butler. Uh.
You know, we went to the National Championship, but we didn't play a lot of proggestions and played a certain styles, so people couldn't really see how it was.
And you know everybody was fat too. Better go in and show my body off. That's crazy, Paul, that sounds like a sluck. That's it did workout.
You know we had the Beggy the Beggy clothes. I mean when Nike Elite wake Forest, well that stuff was a little bagging.
So yeah, I was better nice school than us. I mean it was a test Nike, so I apologize.
You remember I got the Butler jersey, the my neck being down here, like, yes, it was nasty. That's crazy. Y'all didn't Mike green Wood them jersey. That's not right.
Yeah, y'all had the same I remember, yeah, I remember, Yeah, but you get drafted about d C and you was at DC had at a really good time.
I mean, so you had what good time for d C. It's a good time. D has a rebuild, moget into it.
It was, it was born in a rebuild mode. My first year lockout year started off on eighteen.
Yeah, rough, So I don't know what to say. A good time.
You should tell people how to lock out work though, Like as a young guy that was getting drafted, you got no money and you get drafted the NBA and now you got to figure it out for what three four months?
Like four five months.
I was still here in Andy working out, trying to my degree and got thrown at a bought you with him.
In the league. But it's real tough.
You gotta stay ready to never know what's gonna happen, and you know he's got to be up and ready to move in a second. But when I got there, uh, the team was kind of wasn't the best team ever put together.
I can say that. And I just kind of had to figure out on fly some great vests to help me.
Together because the team I'm telling the team was like wow, started off eighteen and then we're playing Philly.
Because lock I was very close.
I was playing Philly like every other week, three times when they had lou Ellen, Drew Dre It was just it wasn't a good.
Match up for us.
You have some good Knights in DC, definitely had some good nights and it was a rookie going in. I'm pretty sure y'all heard some stories, especially about that team. I'll leave it at that, that team on that team, so Roger Mason and also with Sean Lewis and Evans you played with play with MoMA so they know took me oneaf they win and let me and let me understand this at how the NBA works, Like, continue to work, be a good pro crazy thing album, second round picks too, like we shot it. I'm gonna say Mace wasn't just grinded. So it was there to help me out a lot for sure.
Now, obviously did you like that team, what that Washington team let's put together? No, yeah, y'all definitely needed a lot of work. You know what I'm saying. But it was just a crazy I just wanted you to bring it up because I remember I had a crazy streak.
Man, that's a crazy way to get into the NBA.
Yeah, it was.
It was only eighteen flip songs as a coach. He got fired. Tell a lot of young guys try and figure it out.
Mm hmm.
Now you go from the first benture to Washington, what's the next team you want to or after that and went to the.
Main red Claus go back to the G League drawing board. Work it out killed there though, Yeah, crazy.
I was putting up, putting up some good numbers, planning on Doc River system. That's when he was in Boston.
So I was basically putting up the same numbers like Rondo was on like twenty fifteen and eighteen. I was more of a score so I was in like thirty ten and twelve. I mean I like, I actually did two ten days with Philly. Then I ended up going to Atlanta nigging up with this guy. Yes, sir, we have for the next three four years.
I would say, yeah, I remember the first day you came.
I was like, okay, like I don't fuck with him, like you know what I mean in my head, he coming to still like about to play, about to play, like that's my mindset. Well, then when I got annoying, it was like he cool as hell, and then I wanted to do everything I could to help him. I wanted to see him kill. And we had like a group hate. Like we just we just bonded over some things.
It was like cool. It was me and a lot of other people the same way. It just bonded. We had a group eight. So it's all right, what's hold on with that little giants run? Yeah? Okay, what do you call it? The little giants run that you had in the league? What you got games in a row?
Yeah?
I was on that team. It's fine.
We had a lot of fun, too much fun. I remember when she I was like about to get paid. We played in the playoffs against the Pacers and I didn't get the set back in the game because Sheill.
And Michael was hooping. I was like, damn they killing.
We went back home for game six and I smoked it, bro let you down, b y'all one Game.
Five for us home and smoked the eight one match up we're supposed to win that ye were supposed to win down.
I smoked that. I did job, bro, You and Michael was clowning that game.
But that team was so special just because everyone like got along off the court. Yeah, you know, we had the real ones in the front playing bou Ray the other the other ones in the back playing.
What would you at? Joe Cars? When I was a great team to hang out with.
Everybody you went to the Atlanta I mean, you went to Atlanta, got settled for real. That's your crib and everything I knew he was. Once you brought the crib, I'm like, yeah, he like he loved He ain't going nowhere. He like, I'm still there to this day, tapped in with the city. Now, I get a lot of love there, like a special place in my heart. Sure too, for different reasons.
But I grew up there.
I went from a little kids man in Atlanta, so that's all. It got a special place for me. I made some long lasting friendships there.
Ship. Do you think that team could have won the championship if Lebron wasn't in the East? Hell?
Yeah yeah, if Lebron w wasn't playing, Yeah, yeah, could have won the ship. Yeah we beat everybody else. Who would y'all facing the finals Golden State, Now.
They wouldn't like that. They were like that. They weren't like that yet. Yeah, they wasn't yet.
That's the first year they wanted y'all beating that team that wouldn't know that what they wouldn't them yet they.
Were still like I never wanted the year they beat us though they love to go on state. Remember everybody was hurt. Bron Kyrie hurt his knee, all right, So what makes you think y'all was going? What do you need to say that everybody was hurt when they fourteen the full roster? I know, but that's Lebron and them, not y'all. What what what? Let's mash it up. I got fur a star. That's have fun. That's what we're here for. They just wasn't they wasn't they wasn't them yet?
Like Jeff definitely supposed to be an All Star, Al for sure, supposed to be an All Star.
H p M for sure. Now who else who you likeing? Now? Freaky Cow? I ain't mad at it. He went on the run.
You helped them? Just say you the real VP of the team. I didn't play in the NBA Take him twenty six All Star Jersey round with it, bro?
I get it. But when we get to the.
Finals for one, bro, that's nasty work, right, Sean List and Harrison Barnes Andrea.
Was he Yeah? He was. He was yeah, Draymond Green Christmas. Yeah, but ship we played them, We went one even. We beat them in a lot of they beat us, and say.
Fair enough, bro, y'all beat a lot of teams in great memory. Man, y'all want sixty one game?
I remember getting reports he definitely had like thirty five. But we beat them.
Y'all had a y'all had a good team, bro, y'all, y'all really did, Bro. I just matched up because we switched one through five.
Do you think we'll get to the finals if Lebron wasn't playing. I mean, look, that run was magical, bro, that German run getting there for sure. The thing about Lebron he we just didn't have nobody to match up with Lebron. No facts.
So Golden State, this was before they found all their superpowers, like only they got there.
They did it as all only only the whole level.
Yeah, Steph had superpowers, Clay was coming into this, everybody else was still they wouldn't all the way there yet, we ain't. We matched up cool with him because we could switch one through five with them. We couldn't switch Lebron like I can't switch on bron Man it's sucking Christmas.
I just think Sean Liveson would have been an X Factor.
Bro were smooth straight, you couldn't post that big. This is six seven. We shooting right over living with the ring. He got knock the man too.
Yeah, we shooting three. We started three point ship, oh ship, the five man shooting threes.
That was us that was on the on the pocket and.
Him and Pero started that three point shooting Green Bro shout out to that Lanta Hawks bros.
At fourteen, out to my god, man, give it a lot.
That was That was actually a really fun time because also music was just popping crazy at that time.
That's what I wanted to ask y'all.
I mean that Roe was crazy, but at the same time where y'all was in Atlanta, like the new wave of Atlanta artists is going crazy. You got a future reaching his pinnacle, You got migos coming out like y'all got to see them early on.
How was that?
Because I imagine we already know how lantand what off the course probably way better than the corner at that time, Perreo because the Bakero Fresh everybody was getting the run at the time.
Shild was really outside. I was outside. I'm on ten days and not guarantee I was outside. Uh, crazy thing is I'm real good friends with two chains.
Okay, dude does why so the first day Budd got the job, Me and changes in the in the prey in the back working out.
Bud come in.
He don't know anything about like the hip hop scene, musical change, hit her down like I'm still on my ten day, not guaranteeing.
Like hey man, you gotta do this.
Cut all these people up, and like it's like my home He thinks it's like my homeboy telling it.
It's like, who is this show?
Like you to be out of here?
Who's just telling me all of this? Good chancey, bro, you got you got Ship. You don't know who you are my stuff.
I know you're on the college park sky trying to right now, and I'm just it's funny because I can imagine, but it's like not giving it to you.
You probably had some marker right here. Ship.
Let him cut people Rookie and Rookie did I want to that? I wish I could see his face though, imagine, come down. You don't know who his due is and you know we just walk in. We're just hanging out like Shawn's homeboy. Serious but funny as hell.
He probably had that. Definitely have that. What the fuck who he just got the funk out of here, But sure had sure was that birthday Bass and Ship. He wasn't all the way inside.
When I say inside, I mean like sure when he when he got established in Atlanta. You know he had a family, so he wouldn't go out with us, like I'm sure you're coming out.
He's like, nah, player, i'd be. I'd be going back to the arena every time I go back to the arena. We kind of live in the same spot, same area.
Me driving, I keep I ain't gonna say.
That's a wow boy, it's crazy.
After Chicken Wings, bro.
You know, like sometimes you don't play a lot, like in the league, you go upstairs and work out game.
So I'll go up and work out in He didn't play. Thirty minutes he out, He's gone. I'm traving just.
At the light the Chicken Wings on the street. Fun.
That's funny, hell man, that was my spot though I don't see what I'm saying. Atlanta was very well for you established yourself as a as a player in this league. Then you get a chance to go to you know what I'm saying, a different situation to get some more minutes.
How was that going to Utah for you? Career wise? It was great. I was just having a relationship with Claim.
He was part of the staff in Atlanta, so he kind of uh knew my skill sets and know what I was capable of doing. Then it's also just have an opportunity to go in just like play right away and start. There's been a great team in Atlanta. You always have a lot of good players. You know Jeff's a good player. Then say that then the shoulder at the time. So it's kind of tough to get minutes consistently and it's got to be a pro be ready. But also want to appreciate the lining. But allowing me to go could be selfish, know just have me sitting there because you just never know somebody can get hurt or any situation.
But they allowed me to move on and develop my game.
That's far and it's not too you don't see, it's not too common to sy organizations do right by people, and when they do sometimes it may they may be handpicking with that, but for them to show you love like that to put your situation, you can actually play as far. Like you said, a first all was going back at each other. You know what I'm saying was he got the Utah the first game.
I was so happy for w Man to see him get a chance to be the starter do his thing. Oh he had a good game against us, but I think we probably won though we won.
Uh. I can't remember, man, when you kill you your you want to little something. I don't hold you. But I killed you all though, So he probably had a good game. I can't remember. If I get eight, I'm killing. Oh yeah, we want killing transition. I can't start. On the first day of getting there, we played all like right away, right you did? Oh yeah you did get traded and play right away. Yeah you're right you did. It was a crazy part. I was in practice. I couldn't get no wraps to day the day before. You know that. Don't like practice, get me not Let me listen, kids, I love practice, but but that was a good way. Jeff. Let me let me get out there and like play. Yeah, like work and work on the kill them give me bro ain't let me out there. M damn it. What's your head?
Yeah?
He came off the bench. It was starting and man asking all the questions, was the foreigner, white skinned buddy Dante? Oh have been Dante? Yeah, thirty one minutes the whole game. Sure, he let me. I got was my was my shooting percent? He had to be three for sixteen. Damn.
I gave myself a chance. I go ahead, give myself a chance. Assists Nah, Yeah, Rudy damn.
When he was weak too.
Yeah, while you was in Utah, you probably one of the most important games about bsketball history, man, Kobe's final game. How was that atmosphere building up to that and how was it to play in that game? Because everybody in the world wanted y'all to lose that game, and y'all was feel like, I know y'all was right out of playoff implications, but y'a wouldn't try to let Kobe in.
That game either.
Yeah, it was like we had to wait till like half time to see it was gonna make the playoffs. We were we were trying to win a lot of people, get it, Get it confused that like we just letting Kobe do all that. Like Kobe also shot fifty times, not hard to shoot fifty shots.
In one basketball game. That's nuts for it's anybody I know who would do it. But uh, it was.
Atmosphere was crazy, like the President was there, like we come in, you know, just go down the tunnel state like everybody out there with a K forty seven secret service.
It was, it was, it was. It was amazing.
Kanye Jay, all these people sitting like second row for if you go back and watch the take had zero, that's sixty.
We get scored on it though, like pull it up, you you living? That's the first I don't get I ain't get it. Part of that ship.
No, that's one of my favorite players. Coach is my favorite playss. I didn't get any of that. You switch on him, but Louise, they're gonna pull it out. But the way is letting Julius ran to set them screens outrageous.
I had to get Kobe open, bro, but Kobe it was. It was.
It was just different, like no matter what he did, everybody cry like, oh who this turn is? This it's the word game kind of playing. It was the last what he ended with sixty two? Yeah on fifty shots. That's the way to go out, bull, I swear for sure, fifty shots.
Yeah, I don't see nobody else shooting in my life.
My last game, Yeah, I didn't touch the floor one about you, I say the fifty piece though, you know what I'm saying.
Christ Like pre game Lou was on the team, it was like he about to shoot fifty times. I'm like, he ain't bot shooting fifty shots. Came out there and did it.
Like every time.
Somebody wide open just swinging at him. Let him go and the crazy party. He started off super super slow and then like start making like eight baskets in the road and the whole stadium, just this room for.
You found him, if you found him, like take the side out of everybody, boing boom.
So it was. It's a little different. It had to be an amazing atmosphere. Though. I couldn't imagine playing in the game. But I would have loved to have been in that game. What were you doing?
I would have been trying to go at him. Yeah, I would have been trying to guard him. I would have been extra as hell your name too. I would have been talking ship. That wouldn't have worked. Man was gonna work, but he was gonna get them points whatever. But but it was that was that was special. I would have been dealing bro It's like I said, my favorite player all time, I would have been dealing Brooks.
I've been like, Kobe's not that good. Wow.
He wanted people to do that though he didn't want people to you know, yeah, let him do nothing, go crazy like it's a regular.
He worked for it. That wasn't not easy.
I know what I'm saying, Like talk talk ship, Like you got the Kobe from that day? Yeah, I got mama day. I actually got him. He was able to sign him for me.
He signed him. Yeah, damn I should have played. I should have played him, but I didn't. I got him.
The only thing I got signed from Kobe was he signed a card. I always did it work Kobe's all time. Whatever we played him, I wouldn't wear a shoot. But I can't be on the court looking like that. Yeah, what about you. I ain't hooping Kobe to the end? DA data, So I ain't hooping to Kobe's to the end. Really, I was hooping in Jordan, Tans. I was trying to get signed by Tiam Jordan. It ain't work, Damn, Joe.
Joe didn't put in the cowboy Joe ain't with me at the club. Off the court, you got the I go play role. That's crazy because she was almost seen Lebron too. I used to wear Lebron's too. He won with me. You go time with Rich. I was like, damn, I can't do it.
It's quiet, all right, I should have m hmm, fuck that up.
Shout with Jar, shout to the guy.
Oh yeah, we love Jr. So obviously, man, you know what I'm saying. Head this time in the leg transition to different things. What you got going on right now?
Man? Right now? Do college basketball CBS sports analysts.
Yes, working in the front office with with the NBA team, doing some pro scout and trying to find some talent.
No, hanging out with the family and kids. So got a good life, blessed life.
The crazy part that's playing multiple teams, you know, meet a lot of people, have a lot of connections, and it's no pending from me now and that make this transition of being a retired player. I was gonna ask about that even with Jeff, Like you, guys always have good rapport with different people, and people don't understand that the NBA fraternity is different.
Once you're in you can really be that for life.
You've got good rapport and it's dope to see the network and the stuff and how it works. But now it's interesting because, like we said, Butler, definitely all you reparations, but the nil shit going on back to back championships.
Bro.
Yeah, I had dinner with bad last night. I told him.
At the same time, with not being in Butler the following year out transfer, for sure that.
Bag would have been retarded. I got a mial some at one point five. It's definitely different around here. How was it? How was that taking in?
I wonder like, as you're scouting, you know what I'm saying, you look at different kids and stuff going on that could potentially pros.
Is that play a factor in it? Like how they handle the nil at all?
I mean, I don't know if that's not being cocker watching, but just like the mannerisms, right, because that does need a different aspect of recruiting with people for me, not not really uh, you know, at this side, you're not really dealing with that's more like an agent of somebody else got you. But you know, it's a lot of people who's very good, you know, playing basketball, So a lot of stuff like off the court that stops them from getting to the next level, Like until they you know, they might be hanging out with an A B hend all the time. Yeah, being a wrong spy, wrong time, red flag right there, right there, Now that's my guy. But look look for stuff like that because you know, once you're able to get somebody a lot of money, a lot of access, you doesn't know how they're gonna act.
No basketball, Basketball is like a small piece. There's no more about your character and no man have to be a great teammate. It's the hardest thing the NBA. Everyone evers twenty points at some point in time, gonna go there, and you might have to be a cheerleader for a few for a few games, and to see how you respond. Are you gonna be mad at the coach or the assistant coach of the ball boy who has nothing to do with this, Like you're gonna take it out on now you know it's not the kind of people that you want to work with on a day to day basis.
Sure you like commentating, though, see yourself doing that For a long time. I enjoyed doing it. Get to watch a lot of basketball, stay around the game.
Yeah, it's a little different doing college instead of pros because you're.
Not trying to talk bad.
About anyone's like sign, everyone's trying to work and continue to get better.
We'd love to call some games.
See I'll sound at the arena, but a good Just give me all around and stay in touch with everybody. Cool, sure, man, marsh Maddis is still one of the craziest fucking basketball situations of all time.
Obviously with you haven't experience in that.
Do you think it's different now with the game as far as like, like Marshmallow, because we don't even have too many college players we get excited about it anymore.
It's like we skip every so often.
But back in y'all's days, it was every year every team, like not every team, but you have marquee teams and matchups every single year. Yeah, it's like totally different now. How do you stay in tech with them? Like, do you even get excited for that type of stuff? I know obviously what you're working you liked in with it, but is it even the same atmosphere?
Like being removed from.
It when you when you're able to go to the game, you're still able to feel it because it's like say here Indiana, like I you Purdue.
No matter who's playing, you can just go to gaming and kind of feel it, feel the energy. Yeah, it's hard to keep up with it. With the transfer portal, people just been able to go.
It makes sense school for school, so you know, sometimes I get lost on it with the players transferring.
Then also the sixth.
Year kind of through everything off that cover year. Yeah, so once all of that stuff settled in, people can start no turning back in with their favorite players.
And I hope we get some loalty coming in soon with all this, but I don't see how long how much longer n IL stuff can work.
How do you feel about Butler moving to the Big East.
I think it's a great move. You have some good years well Coastal Valves coach in the top ten in the country. All that right now from downtime, but can says downtime when they got the two national champs over the past few years back to back. Knowing the conference to conference, I think it's one of the best conference, better than the a c C.
You ask me, CAPTI each a c C. I don't know.
You like who you liking the a c C and buying some CC. But if you're going to Ukon against the board that you didn't gotta go Yuka. But like consistently, like Mark Quat, Billanova been good.
They've been crazy talking about like twenty win teams for sure. Yeah they got an overall better conference. Yeah they gotta right now. But in the tournament I fear a couple of ACC teams a little bit more. I like Duke.
I like Carolina all right, I like wait Flo way yeah, I like Florida State. I like Miami a lot.
Quiet good Miami good shout okay, but they're not better.
But like Miami was good because like you're talking about your pack, get the transfer and.
You need that to be like at that at that high level in c State, I meant to see, how do it's gonna be this ship that's having all those freshmen coming in playing.
Oh they're gonna I think they're gonna smack smack ship. So Cooper is the one.
He's the one they let him cook the right, He's the one BROAI.
That is pretty good too. No, they got a whip to they not. He ain't a woman man by any means. They got a whip.
That's why I didn't understand why he was talking about them transfer. Everybody who transferred was with I'm like, that's crazy, bro.
He the best player in college basketball Cooper. Yeah, nah, I gotta see right now. Even though even though it's people are aging there right now, he's still all them.
He's the best prospects. Prospect playing college basketball is like different. Like we see Oscar she Way twenty and twenty and then go to the next step.
He played for the Pacers. It's kind of hard for him to get out there and contribute and play at.
A high level.
But Cooper, Cooper Flag's path is different. Yeah, he's gonna be the best prot It's definitely different. But what I'm saying like it's different. But also also she was the player of the year. Like I don't think Cooper gonna get Player of the year.
Yeah, noah, he probably won't get the acts. He's gonna get the more paper, gonna average like nine. Hell no, you know how I say between like nine and fourteen. It's not a big guy. He's not.
It's not gonna be twenty twenty, It'll be thirteen fourteen, And he going in there with a whole bunch of other fresh going over.
With a whip.
They all trying to get I don't think they about the number two pick? Are you what I knowing about to be too?
We had this culip it's okay Cooper player of the year, dude, national chair thinking.
About old dude? Was that Carolina what's his name? Badcock back?
For sure? Other players out they they're not going they're.
Twenty four And for him on boy from from Kansas actually westling Fhace.
You see play the here the kid from Notre Dame, the guard. Oh he nice, market.
Shouts Indiana great great basketball player.
Yeah cold, I'm cool. The great White Hope is on the way. Man. I gotta ask man what I'm saying off the court?
I know how y'all went. How was like y'all kicking it off the court? Y'all talk about them tequila and sprites. Man, how y'all get like it in like that?
I think it was more just like us loving the game.
Like we had talk about basketball off the court, so we'd be like, man, how can we get better looking at stats?
Watching games like this is all I gotta do to that.
Minchell was really by the numbers. I can average twelve points the game, right, here, That'll give me six million years. Like we was like that, Like we were just trying to map the game out, but we enjoyed playing, so we had talk about the game.
Then we just kick it.
Bro.
He was just cool.
We talk about We still talk about playing Madden and stuff like that. N C Double A Football just came out. He never was really that good at video games, but he always wanted to play.
I'm top top of the country. He hate Shell the game.
I'm trying to tell you. Also, I think I was forced to go to team dinner all the time. Not every every road game. We go to team dinner.
We're sitting there for three or four hours, just sitting there and hanging out and talking. No.
Obviously having Hendrick is a connection. He was able to relate on a lot of different different things. Do people know anything about your your wrestling fetish?
Yeah, everybody know. I love fall fetish is crazy.
Everybody know I love when my man watching nineteen seventy six wrestling Man, I guess that's a finish.
Wrestling. All the whites said finished. But likes you got him backage quiet. He was a dead cat in nineteen seventy six. Though. On the iPad. I'm like, Bro, what you got charging bro? Bro? Just like wrestling Bro. But you know what something else we relate to. We cheat? Whoa, No, we cheat because that's what we was going to so long. We cheat cheap. No, we're both cheap, bro. We use we don't want to spend money. Pay Bro from Chicago.
Man.
Look at him. He trying to get you caught up or something.
I know I got always well Bro, he was confused, not cheap, like we all use the money.
We were cheap, frugal. We got friend because that's how we used to go to them. Team Dinners were like here about to pay for us? Say eat again free?
Yeah?
What to kill on him? Oh ship wow? Getting out in nineteen forty two, we can get for sure. I used to My bill used to be fifteen hundred long. Damn who's fit for the scene.
But damn I was racking up. I was taking stuff back to the room. I was like, be hearing on the valuum tab.
That's how you're doing. Yes, everywhere you go to get to to go to to go. I know we're going I want to buy you. Look at the bill. He just take his bag to lead might be like Mike left too. He Mike left them wipe the American Express, funk out of here. Let's roll with him. Man, they try to get people jail. Were definitely cheap. I would say, we're cheap. We're going. We're trying to go to get Saxon for a thousand. Who's coming? I got to fifty straight up, like Paul, you're going.
Be like what.
You to make the most money? Man? And everything want told the right. So they was, Bro, you're getting a bottle bottle three hundred, I got twenty five. Met him tomorrow. We all bring it up, bathe and bring it all little. We were smart man trying to be that's funny man. He's a whole that big over there. Wrap it up. Oh man, Man, it's been real shells family at the park. Man. We got to have back. Man, it's always a good time. We went the building.
Man, you know what we need him for. He gotta be our cow ed basketball host for the morning show.
Come on, man show. We got a morning show, white Broway. We need to morning updates. Man, I'm definitely I'm definitely with that. We need that. Man. Come to five twenty you are you already game?
Bro?
You know you feel you got represented butler a little bit more. No, man, I didn't graduate shout from the flag him, he claimed a little We got to burn on it. Not the burn man respected your car, your love of car.
Yeah, my family off from there, so yeah we locked in for show deeper rap. But look, man, you're not going to see his face. Did you graduate from her?
I didn't go there. F from there.
My family like a little bit. You got one time for the one time. Hey man, you'll see show back soon. We set it on wax. He's gonna be our basketball, college basketball for five to twenty in the morning, coming soon. Lock into that. But you know what it is, be here.
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