Club 520 PodcastClub 520 - Kevin Garnett tells Jeff Teague about talking trash to Michael Jordan, Vince Carter Team USA dunk
We’re back with Season 2, Episode 84 of Club 520 where Jeff Teague and the guys are joined by Kevin Garnett to discuss his Hall of Fame career in the NBA. KG tells Jeff and the guys stories about talking trash to Michael Jordan, Vince Carter’s iconic dunk for Team USA in the Olympics, playing Jeff Teague in the playoffs, meeting Paul Pierce for the first time, and tells an amazing story about Kobe Bryant at the All-Star game. #Volume #Club
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I know you you know what I'm saying you shoe a fishingado. Have you ever seen the black forces with the white license before?
No, I ain't. I ain't seen that one. I ain't seen that one just yet. I got them sixteen fifteen fifteen. Yeah, I got you, Bro, Okay, say let's yeah, your your Air Force one guy for sure? God sure, air Force one. Okay, Okay, that's what sup and your style of play. This is very fitting the demon in you, the barking in you, the dog in you. Air Force one white license, she she waters, Bro, she was a air Force one guy. She water ones that came up here. Yeah, that's the ankles and stuff, but it is still you can come to Dres or go to Rutger in there. Okay, Rocky about to say this looked like some ship. Yeah, I'm just your head. Go ahead, I ain't gonna go ahead. I see your show out, I see you ready, I'm ready to though, right the referee joint song, go ahead.
Talk about right my dog young not your team. You got you up, man. I'm chilling Bro and Dres having a good time. We got a legend in the building, man, I'm geeked, bro.
Man, legend, legend, legend to my left Man the ticket. You know this is man, one of the best basketball players of all time, fifteen time All Star and was poorly All Star and dres ticket.
We appreciate you pluting the five twenty Big Doll.
Thank y'all for having me, Dugs, thank you being here.
Man.
I love y'all ship Man.
We appreciate it. Man, we just talk about the feast. You know what I'm saying for me, You know what I'm saying. I'm an OD ticket fan. I know your rookie year. You came out in a concourse. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, So I've been to it the past, Levis, But you done have so many heat shoes. What's one of your favorite signature shoes you ever had?
Well, to be honest, man, I had something to do every time you seen my name on the shoe. I had some input in that, and I thought that that changed a lot of the the concept because if you went Nike, your Adidas, they're coming there with a pre concept already that they've having a line of so many other things. And you know I was taught earlier, man, that's something represent representing you. You want to be able to have your your at least you're taken and what comes from you. So yeah, I think probably my obviously when you first get your shoe and then being with Nike getting the shoe right. So Garnet warm is always a special place just because that's my first take that your shoe, and then to see it perform and then get to Garnet three and have it be like one of their best sellers and kids come, you know, running up on me with you know, just showing their appreciation. I got to tag some of my my my neighborhood on it with OBF on the bottom. I was in young State. It was going ninety seven, nine eight. Was it a lot? You know, it was love. It was going. You know, Jeff didn't think I was gonna make it. Every talking about I was gonna be out the league in two years. They were talking crazy. They were tripping. I don't know what they drinking and taking. I don't know, but but damn sure wasn't nah. But yeah, man, the Flight Posites was was another shoe that I'm sticking out the Nike shoes with some of the best shoes because of just of the technology that not Nike goes doing. Push you and Jeffy noticed. Man, they got so many different comforts and cushions that they can pat and put in your shoe. But then Adidas, you know I had, I had a short run and one that was cool, but Adidas had another level of technology that I can't speak on my first My first thing to shoot with them was through the roof and very comfortable shoe. But yeah, those are shoes that just stand out right away to just you know, that made that to me, made a difference.
And that's what so far about you.
Obviously, we know you were a champion, we know you got crazy on the court, but to have such an impact to the culture, like we were talking before the Jamie Fox episode, you know what I'm saying, man, we had the real crossover.
Was trying to take Fancy from Fancy was choosing what he said.
He couldn't find a KG jersey, so he had to get the Wally.
Shout to Jake Fox. That was a fire cameo. Bro, that was cool. That was cool. That was a cool joy. That was a real cool joy you said.
You know what I'm saying, I had before we even get you. Gotta talk about your interaction, man. I loved the heacnpartments for but tell the.
People man, now, when I first came here, I told Joe, Yeah, nigga, I did growl at you. Yeah, you know what it was. Absolutely.
We played them in the playoffs and I dunked on ray allity in the preseason. I got a tech and I was barking doing my thing and I had the game win a shot and I ir bought it and he followed me through the tunnel, was.
Like, don't funk with the basketball guys. You're not like that. Don't do that.
And for we played them in the playoffs and like I had a good game game one.
He would not.
Say, like who I was because I don't know him. Who you talking about? Damn?
You know?
We played up with the guard.
He came out, he slapped the floor, got on like all flour and started growding.
Well you scared the traumatized.
I was like, this is my moment. I I ain't gonna forget this.
Cob had the hissing Cob hits at you. I was on my DM next ship. I want the crowd. I want to see where niggas was at. You know what I'm saying he talking about. I just want to to say my name.
I was like, man, I just want dollars me, bro, but supposed to be like.
You weren't showing fans get money out here. He was talking that ship. Young fella had confidence. I had watched him and wake forwards. You know I had followed you and you got right to it White when you got in the league, you had a lot of confidence in yourself. And when you punched it on Ray. The reason why I was really upset was because anything to the basket were supposed to put a nigga on his ass. Ray went for the blocking. You know, young fella flustered. It wasn't you know, it's basketball. So yeah, I was just trying to smash is Pauls destroy his confidence. You know what I'm saying. I was on some like nine well the names on when you bought it, you know how I mean. You know what I'm saying. He throw this on his back, make sure he don't forget this. Then I was just standing on him every time I see him. I wasn't shaking his hand, get him like you. I mean. But but the whole time I'm watching how you react to it, because it's pissing him off. The more. He getting pissed off, he coming spinning and then he and that's what I want. I want to his best and I wanted to make him angry and I wanted to play against that. And then later on in his career, man walk boom shop boy. Gee you good boy, I'm good boom And that's the respect of it that was earned. So you know what I'm saying.
My brother was like nah, tickets said, you're good bro.
You I like, nah, took care of your little brother. That just because of the respect to have for you. Real shit, I appreciate that, sure, young And I said, what up, it's my dog.
I got you real for sure.
Man.
Listen, man, you you have so many fire moments. Yo.
U lusa's career.
But we all from Indianapolis, Indiana, and my high school basketball is.
One player that we have a very high regard for.
You have a famous slip for it, my man aj Air Gordon dog that clip for him visiting that shot, he said, hell no, trash, It's one of my favorite clips of all time.
Man, I'm gonna keep it one hundred. Man. You know I'm a savant and you know I know my ship. So when I get out here, I'm watching. I know players, I know what they can and can't do. So you know, he Gardon went through a rough little patch when he was playing great with the Clippers. You know what I'm saying. I think when he got to New Orleans he was having injuries and shit. So I was just root for him to get back. And what y'all don't know. Before that clip, he had came down on some groovesh you know how he five trail three bows, so we can't he was putting motherfuckers in the mixing. Now. You know, we had a bunch of young guys, Zach Levine, a younger Andrew Wiggers, a young carth in town, and he was just he was dogging on. He was beastem So I was like, hey, man, look, you know, compete, man, don't don't let the moffuorer come down here and just you know, compete. So when he came down, he did some ship and then he spun it. Then he stepped out like they don't know. Nigga, ain't what you do, trans nigga, ain't he ain't nigga, Hey, nigga, get back to what you nigga Like, you know what I'm saying, and it wasn't even it was for him. But the move is what made me react. I was like, what, yeah, go back and look at the move though. The move I'm talking about he was trying. There was a transh move, so I was I was basically calling what I was saying, yeah, shouting going man, you know you know what I'm saying, real ship. I'm glad to see him still going you know what I'm saying, helping teams and ship. Yeah, shot to him.
And man, listen, so many moments I'm a fan because listen, I look at the Olympics, and every time I think about the Olympics, I think about that the best dump we've ever seen. Card been in that moment? How was it that? How was it to witness that moment live?
Listen? Man, shit happened so fast I couldn't even I thought he got an end one. And when I when I started, they call then an one, I was like, oh sh he cleared that mother? Fuck? Did he just clear the mother and he dunked it And when he came down, if you see me, I really wanted to go full like Nigga, but we had one two like damn, okay, get back and leap. It was like kind of like that. I had played with a guy with high school named Ronnie Fields. People hit the air, and I seen him do some most some of the most craziest shit. But then Vince Carter is the class of ninety five and were not been to camps together, so I'm not seeing him do some of the crazy shit. But yeah, Bro, him jumping over a whole seven six seven five guy was like a whole nother Like I swear Tom stopped dog. If y'all look at all of us, all of us been behind me Gary, We all like like in a like a frozen moment to where I thought that nigga froze he felt us for like two seconds. But yeah, man, shot to Vince Carter, Man, that's probably one of the most electric electric moments I've ever been in. You know what I'm saying. We couldn't really just get into it. We had okay and then it was over. But yeah, that was one of the more crowning moments in the Olympic history. Bro. Speaking of Ronnie Fields, Bro, I don't think he get enough credit notoriety. How was it like playing with him? Man? How did y'all even link up at Fergate. So I was coming from South Carolina and my mother was moving me. I was in a very very hectic and traumatic recruiting I don't even want to debacle like colleges, was coming doing crazy shit. This is my first interacting with money, big bags of bread like yeah, it was just getting crazy. So y'all got in some trouble in high school and my mom moved me. And the one coach I had at Nike Man was with Nelson and he had coach Ronnie in high school up in Chicago. So him and now he stayed in contact, just like hey, working on you, you know, because he would always take me off to the sideware, spending like a whole hour just throwing working and stuff. So I fucked with his development. Man, And you know how to go, Jeff Man, when you got a coach destiny, you know, like pouring into it. Just just just dialed in with you. You know what I'm saying, He with you. You know, you go through some frustrating moments. He right there and then I ain't evenly have no pops. I ain't ain't you know what I'm saying, had no man in my life. My mom was enough man for everybody in this motherfucker room. So you know, now, I grew up a certain type of temperature. I was. I was. I was used to a certain type of environment. I one tripping over the jungle. I was raised in it. So to have a male in my life that was giving me some guidance and someone I could pick the phone up even though he was a thousand miles away, was confident for me. So when I had the chance to be able to go up and play with him, I didn't even think about the city. I didn't think about nothing. I was thinking about Damn. I got a coach that believe me. Man, let's get it. So Man, I got up there and we was rocking day one. And then that's when it hit you, like, oh shit, you in Chicago. These are the rules, and this what you gotta you know what I'm saying. So it wasn't even a basketball problem I had. It's more of a just adjusting to the big city.
Absolutely, man.
And another wonderful moment Olympic You going crazy in the ones, running everybody else down, Hey Man, lit like iconic moment.
I was.
He was cleaning boys up.
He was talking crazy too.
Man, it is what it is now, Jeff. Jeff noticed man like during the times where we played. Man, I'm not speaking on some of this younger stuff, but let's go back like ten fifteen years ago.
Man.
Uh, it was a billion it was a bullion league.
Ye.
And you had to be a demon and play in it, I'm sir, and not not just half confidence, but you had to be a demon. And I mean t you know what I'm saying, And I don't want to elaborate on it, but you had to be like a different, a different You had to have a different mindset. So we're in the Olympics working out and one of the things j Kid does to get back in shape is play four court one on ones. Yeah, and we had practice and it was a tech. It was the one to practice where it was touchy, it was edgy and shit. So gods wanted to compete. So about six or seven us to say, hey, man, let's get some cardio in niggas didn't want to run the customary seventeens. You know how that shit goes, you know, because back then you had time seventeens and then back then you had two a days for the whole training cap So if you had training cap thirty days. You had to you feel what I'm saying. So yeah, it was just different on how you got ready. So we jumped in it. And now you know how I go, I want to one on ones. Man, you know how it got a wicked yeah. Man, you know, usually one of the ones go like you know, you go, I go, I stop you, you stop me? But man, when you get in a row and then I don't know the cameraman in the cut, that's what didn't nobody know. Bro, you know, the camera come out of everybody, the element of embarrassment goes to like, you know, a million right. So it was already testy, you know. Me and Reef was already testy. Uh you know, a couple of people's in there, testy Ray and Gary was testy Timmy. It was just testy, you know. And yeah, and I got the going so yeah, fuck it, I'm king of the hell. Let's get it. So I was talking my ship and then if somebody had wanted to do something, we could play another. So we played three games, but didn't nobody know the guy and the cut over there getting it all. It's two more games that they ain't show and I'm glad they didn't else. I won the second one. I won first one, and then I want the last one. The second one, two three, The second one and the third was so physical that yeah, we probably did We probably didn't want that one out. But it was all a good shout to the you know two thousand, you know team Man, we did that. Man. I want to talk about how you and Palm man Man on that k Swiss and Uta. Well, Paul, had you come all the way out there of the county, Man, I was ship, same ship out the truth. So I'm from South Carolina, Jeff, you know what the South like. Man, You're not playing in North Carolina. You know what I'm saying. He ain't really a bunch of ain't nothing down there. So it was it was very little recruitment. A lot of a lot of football recruitment, but very little recruitment. Yeah, and very little sponsorship. So you know, South Carolina, you had to go to either Georgia to Atlanta, or you had to go to Charlotte to go to one of the bigger camps. So I ended up going to a camp in Atlanta and a guy down there, Yeah, he he was just like a sponsorship for any of anybody else like Nike Adas. He he had k Swiss want nobody really recruiting or none of that. But he was like, Yo, you want to go to West Coast. You know what I'm saying. You're playing the West Coast Like shit, this that's what I need. He said. Cool. He wanted to really want nothing, but it's about to experience. You know what I'm saying. I never been to Cali that before we pull up, Man, we get right to Inglewood, come out to join n Inglewood. I don't know why I'm met. Come up to some little raggedy gym. You know what I'm saying. You can tell you it in the polished neighborhood, you know what I'm saying. Come in here and I see three guys playing. I see this little tall ass, little fat kid. Dog. Nigga had like the little Stefan Marlberry curly kid on. I told you he had a whole s curl when I seen it, like Ice c You goddamn shit was shaky. Ain't man, you had a whole curl when I saw you, Nigga. You know what I'm saying. But man, Jemmy was a little fat little, you know what I'm saying. I was like, man, okay, and then I saw him go up and boom that moll fire, like damn, a little fat motherfucker got some house man. Oh yeah, that's Paul Pierce. I was like, were and he looked like a younger version of what you see now, probably saying way more wild than shit, you know what I'm saying. But uh yeah, people met at like sixteen and before. I didn't know that in his in l A Toby Bailey, Ricky Price, a bunch of these older j R. Henderson. These are guys that were running LA at the time, you know what I'm saying. And he he looked up to them. So I don't know none of this. And I don't know none of these guys, you know what I'm saying. But then you got the Collins Twins, you got Jolannie Mccaordy, you got Shane Cotton, all these West coaches I ain't never heard of, you know what I'm saying. So I was eager to play, you know what I'm saying. See what see what you know a lot of these guys have to offer, and I didn't have that. I didn't have that and not seen you play factors, so I didn't. I'm coming in here like I don't know who Jelani is. Oh, Johlanna. He block everybody shot, so I was like, oh, I mean, how big is Jolana. It's like, well he's seven foot. He bought your side and I was like, so I was on, I don't know who this is. So I go right in the beach mood like you from bund Lions. You know what I'm saying, specially yo. But the La niggas had me running through the casinos hitting ship and they jumping out of cabs and just doing l a ship. So we got in the game. Bro. We all connected term all the all the little because he played with a bunch of hood guys that are from Inglewood that went to Inglewood High. The j Crow, the one you see him on two Flown Switch, that was his point guard. Shout out to Demani. He's a rapper. He used to play show a couple of those guys, just you know guys, and but they played hard, and man, we end up winning that little ship. Man, we want that little vegashit. We weren't supposed to win nothing. That's how he was though a bunch of his friends. Same ship. When you get your first, when you get your first, you look Vegas.
I went to ABCD camp. Oh okay, yeah, I went to the ab CD camp. I had like one offer going there, end up killing that and getting like seventy off.
Why wait, Forest, Bro.
I was a fan of Chris Paul. I grew up watching Chris and I was like, damn, they let him do whatever.
Up there for sure?
Yeah, all right, right, I don't need to follow it the four steps and that's how it happened.
World. That's what's up. I Georgia time up there, Bro. I'm from ACCNT, so you know, uh, you know, I was a huge Tarhee fan and all that other ship. But Bro used to used to get your money.
I appreciate that.
I was gonna ask you, what school was you gonna go to if you didn't go straight to the league.
Uh, Michigan, Okay, Michigan I went to I went to Michigan. Uh two years before so tenth grade. I had a chance to go up and watch him play Michigan State, and I got to meet Webb, and I got to meet j Juwan, I got to meet Jimmy. Everybody jialing everybody, and they were super cool and not at the time to where you could take people around. They just took me and we we kind of disappeared and where it was. I took a liking to web Web's gang. But then when I met Web where Web cuffed me like a like a like a little brother man, and and and that, and that stuck with me so much that when I watched him play, I saw myself and then I just start piecing off the style. Obviously I wanted to Web size or none of that, but the way he played through and that, and you know how you is when you're seeing your favorite player, right, So yeah, I want to follow in those footsteps. But you and Cee was great on development, and one of the things I wanted to really do was develop as a player. I didn't want to, you know, I didn't want you to look at a nineteen ninety five tape and then look ninety seven and I'm looking the same. So you A and c was known for developing one thing. I will say, they developed big men in a certain way. And if you saw how my style was, I didn't want to be your traditional big well, you know, I didn't have the body mask to go down in and Kevin m kel will be showing me this move where you had to have big shoulders to get it up. You know exactly what I'm talking about, bro. You know you're trying to figure that out so early on. I struggled with that, but I figured it out. But I wanted to go to UNC for the development. I had a cousin. I got a real cousin in life, Shaman Williams, who actually start and play. Yeah. Yeah, Shaman's my older cousin. My real father in life is his uncle. His mother is my real aunt. Oh okay, badly know my Popstow. So you know that whole shit was kind of you know what I mean. But when we saw each other, it's always love. If I see him today, it's always loved, same old, same old. But yeah, those two those those two two schools really made an impact on them. You'd have been ra Michigan now. I remember. I remember I wanted to go to Georgia Tech with Steph Man and Bobby Krimins told me they had a kid by the name of Eddie Elisma and they didn't need no more big about listen. For about ten years I was looking for Eddie Elisha. I just wanted him to be on somebody's team. I just wanted to show Bobby, Bobby Krimins, what what what's the difference? You know what I'm saying.
Yeah, but where you get that mindset from? Because I follow your story, Brahma, huge fan. I remember you doing your draft workouts and you're talking about pat Riley.
Yeah, man, yeah, the pat Riley Great. Yeah. My mama, my mom. Man, my mom's a kind of a shot to my mom Sheryl, you know, but yeah, my mom's a she's a hard worker. Man. My mom used to work the graveyard ships. You know, the graveyard ships are on twelve to twelve six, you know what I'm saying. So, so yeah, my mom worked at so you know, I grew up very responsible, being able to cook early, being able to clean the house early. I grew up in the South, so I was outside. I'm from slap box. I'm from all the guys fighting. I'm from I'm from all that wrestling for the belt, getting beat for the belt, going home, cutting out carpet, making a new belt, coming outside with the you know, I'm from that real nigga on the bike. I'm in neighborhoods my neighborhood fighting your neighborhood. I'm from all that, you know what I'm saying. So outside outside and I'm from the black Top. I'm I'm I'm out here. I'm gonna go to every park and see who out here and try to kill it. And you start to get a rep you know what I'm saying, that's big fella. You know that's uh yeah, they them, Mallen them, the Marten Boys. You know what I'm saying, Shit like this, But yeah, man, my mom gave me this kind of a yeah, no, no, no nonsense kind of attitude that the goett ship and why not you? My mom used to play all those little riddles with me. She said, Kevin, you know, if you ever come into your room and look for the leader, said, why what you talking about? Well, if you can't find a leader in the room, guess who's the leader? She say, She lived this a little shit like that, and then dog, I started taking shit personal. You know what I'm saying, light skinned niggas and dollars staying. You know what I'm saying. So I'm super competitive. So a lot of times though, when when I would take things personal, I would put it in the competitive form because I didn't want to be rowdy. Uh you know, we got ass whoop in my house, so I'm from I got manners, open doors for women. I watched dishes, I know how to clean the whole house up, you know what I'm saying. So putting all those into play couldn't get in trouble in school or you got killed, you know what I'm saying. So I had to learn and control those emotions and then challenge towards something. So when basketball started coming into my life, I started really putting a lot of time in it, and then I found this untapped energy, if you will. Then when it came to competitiveness, when I heard I heard sea Biscuit had a complex that the writer he would kind of easing back to let the other horse go back, and when the horse got in front of him the horse, Sea Biscuit would go ape shit and just smoke the hor When I heard that analogy, I connected with that, like to play somebody better than you actually gets you to play better, and it makes you a more tentative, more locked you ever hear about when you take a sense, the other sense gets heightened. I swear when I would play people that were bigger than me, or better than me, or I consider better than me. It activated that. And then I got into the league and the league was a bully league, and yeah, man, coming from Chicago, everybody pulling up on you wanting the hoop and the crate in the alley and this gym and on this whatever. So you instill that in it put me in the league, and then say that I can't do something. So I was like, man, I'm going to prove all y'all wrong, y'all for the you know what I'm saying. I told everybody the draft when she and Stack was cracking jokes on me, man in front of about like fifty niggas, They're like, nigga, should take your ass to college. Man, I say, nigga, I'm finna be better than all y'all niggas. Niggas live. I'm the only one that left me and Scotty Thurman. Scotty Thurton, I don't know if you notice, kid from Arkansas used to shoot the long ball. He was like, hey, they fucking with your cat there. Now, young fall he was country man. They now young felt. But yeah, I've always been super competitive and my mindset. Man, it's gotta be always saying one of the ones is me or you. It's got to be you can't be me, you know what I'm saying.
Yeah, I heard you did that to Scottie Pipping too.
Yeah, we got two. I was young though, I was junking wild. Oh. When I got Chicago, I moved in a certain certain area off the west side called k Town. Yeah. K Town got all these different streets in these different areas and uh yeah, they wrapped different places. You know what I'm saying. Gd's over here, Vice Stoy's over here, Uh, Kobra's over here, and you got to know how to Latin King's over here. You gotta know how to go through that, right. And then once I figured that out, Bro, you you know you're moving, and you know a lot of the guys you move with you moved. How you moving? Yeah? Yeah, man, Scotti Pippy got some ship and I don't know what he thought, yeah, but yeah, I quick, quickly, you know, got him to understand where he was. But that wasn't a good moment for me because I felt like, you know, when you come into an NBA said, and you don't want to be rowdy. Grover, let us come in there, and who as soon as we got into that, Grover tried to kick us out. Guys, you want to kicked out into a whole nother thing. I knew the guys Carl Harris is and if Carl Harris went in there, who's the street guy from the South Side. If Carl Harris won in there would have been all bad. But I'm glad he was in there. And then it's even more crazy to that Jeff Isaiah Thomas in the corner watching all this, And that's that's where I got the jewels from. I seen Zeke z He pulled me to the U because I ain't no. Zeke's from the West Side, like he was. You know what I'm saying, He's super You know what I'm saying, He's man, Zeke super tact plugged into the West Side. So the shit there talk to him. I talked to him about three hours, and after that three hours, I knew exactly what I was doing. Straight up. You got a story like that with ja A right too, right when y'all play the bulls and he was talking to Jordan and Joe Jay all had to tell you that Hey, Okay, chill out, bro, you fit the turny up man, Jeff. You know this, man, when you play a guy dog or you play somebody that you you look up to and you're not watching enough film to know that this guy is better than you, but you still have confidence in yourself. It was kind of like that Mike them, what this bullying niggas man pressing up ninety four feet zig zaggy? They getting it, then they hand checking it. Refs ain't calling it so on a young guy like t here grad Te Hill, Jeff really got to know how to handle it because you're really dealing with forcing right right right. If the ref ain't calling it, Bro, you gotta you gotta deal with yourself. I mean that's crazy, that's crazy, that's crazy. You say that because that's what the bulls was doing. Nothing. So we we learned that and then start to implement on the young guys. No ship, real ship, But yeah, that was that was the same way. But just like how you you learn that makes you better that that that that kind of headache that you got to deal with you like holy ship. The first time I'm happy you in you and you in big eyes right second time you go ship third time. Now you ain't tripping, you know what I'm saying. So that's for sure, You're just But yeah, me and Jyard was in there and and and Mike then was just on some bully ship and I was having a decent ass game. I'm just seeing my friend. He had just gotten too a car accident. I didn't really get much sleep. We was on the back to back. When I landed, I went straight to the hospital. I sat there all night winning and uh man, it was just hard to see Feels in there with the dame with the halo on his neck. Yeah, and I was like, damn. And then I was really effective and I came back to the hotel. I had to go right to the to the the ring and ship, you know, first bus and all that shit. So I was over there super early, so I was super inspired, but I was running off fumes. I didn't have no sleep that night. Had the whole west side on the whole left side of that motherfucker. So I felt, yeah, I was in I had a great night, but yeah, just just just man. As soon as I started feeling good, man, I fucked that up. I fucked that up. It's a lot of ship. I didn't fuck up. I fucked that up because we had a chance to win that game, and I woke the beasts up. Dog and I ain't think that ship was real. So you see it like, oh shit, really really really really scared shit and he went look no bullshit, came down simple to all three five and once shot two free through like it was looked up. The nigga had like forty and life like twelve minutes. I was like, damn we sitting on the bench, was like, dare we nineteen? Then I looked at you know how you look at everybody, and everybody I told that nigga to shut up, Joe. That's how Jay y'all, y'all was like my dog to you know, it's okay, we're gonna get through it. At the end the bench, he was taking shoes off. I was like, my fuck man, it's all shut your heads, real mess. I see. I never shaid ship to join after that dog, real ship. I ain't say nothing. I remember that story, black cat, you're good, You're good, Okay, cool ball here and keep it moving straight up.
Hey, you know it's funny.
Uh.
Jeff always spoke very very very highly of that Celtics backcourt defense and you just talking about every Bradley reaching about how you know what I'm saying, he had to go down to the g le d to wake up. I love the fact that we're giving people honor like that because I feel like guys like Drew Holiday now that they getting their praise that they deserve. You talk about the real defense, like you said, would be a nightmare matchup for you were dough and then you talk about a b It was just interesting to hear you say that his hot praise for him?
Nah man them too.
They had ticket that got up on screens and then.
They had perk. He didn't get all the way up.
He was physical.
You had them two dudes, bro, they are ninety four feet you and then Aby Bradley took everything personal. I remember one game we played him. It was my second year. Rondo was out and he started at point guard. I think it's his first start, and I kind of embarrassed him a little bit. I went by dunk dunk and stole the ball from a bunch of times. And the next time he played me, he was like, yeah, what's up?
And I was like what.
I was like, he's sad, you know all kill him, bro, he was guarding me for turning.
I pass the Kurt messing with him real now, for real, he was serious.
Aby Bradley's feet it was probably similar to like ushers and Michael Jackson's, like he had the quickest feet. He was normally when you get hit, if you and Jeff t right now was in the pick and roll, and Broke came up and said, a pick on you. If he hit any part of your of your leg, You're you're gonna turn. You're just gonna turn out. That's just what it is. Aby Bradley was the only guy that I knew that got his shoulder right over yours, got his feet over there, he would and he would like them chili sauce. Bro, he got highlights on your sue doing that. Listen, listen, hell it did he It wasn't he poking. And you know when the guard bringing it up, you know, motherfucker bringing up he ain't really thinking about the poking all that, because you're calling the plate trying to see where that motherfucker's in your in your cavity. You gotta you got to either chicken wing or man. Imagine. So when you when I heard you say that. When I saw that clip, I was like, yeah, that's right on to what they was on. They was on harassment and really trying to break the point guard down, like man, run him in the ground. So they got to bring the backup and then we're gonna run him in the ground. And that was our whole Our whole plan was to outwork you as a team. That was a physician position.
I was tripling above playing one on him and it's a time out, you know, TV Gord and getting so.
Loud y'all stop. He's still right there in your face.
I'm still trying to beaty looking you know here.
The whistle them to just them too, like ya ya go. They playing one.
Over here, ship like I can't keep sucking saying nothing else to him now.
He was serious, Who you.
Lik in the league against guards? Right now?
Man?
You got a favorite? You got favorite guards? You like?
Favorite point guard probably is uh Jaylen Bronson right now, big body code.
Don't come up when he's a little kid, bro his development.
Yeah, and to see him get to who he was like being at Villanova, I never thought he would be this player.
And then to see where he is now, knowing his dad, it's like.
Damn when I saw it, when I saw a couple of times in Dallas, he would take over games and then kind of come off it, you know, because you couldn't he wouldn't go fourth throttle. But you saw the glimpses. Yeah, because for a long time they was trying to get rid of the mid range, women, the mid range, and just diagnostics at least in data. That's not a good one. Shoot at the end of day. Make it that, you know. And then I think Houston fucked that whole thing up when they came Dan Moorey came in to really run. Yeah. Yeah, so I say that. I say that to set up that. I felt like, man, he you start to see it with the mid ranger and then he just accepted that, Yeah, I'm just gonna go mid range. I don't want to if I got to stand still three cool And then to put all that together, bro, you know, the most I wanna say disrespected, but it's probably the most underrated thing in our league. Development Nah for sure. Man, don't nobody developing young boys no more? Man? And if so, you got one trainer training a tall guy, training a center, a forward and a guard the same fucking way, Bro.
That's because they eliminated all the old hiss Bro.
The moves looked the same. Bro. Like, right now, I already know a young boy gonna get me an in and out and he's gonna cross it. If he crossed, he probably gonna step back left because you're already over. If he ain't doing that, he's doing the heads and all this. It's like I'm watching the mood patterns be so similar that I don't see nothing coming out of that. I don't see nothing. So then I jumped in and I was like, Oh, I'm gonna go see who Check invited me to come see and work out. One day. I went to go see check workout. I see his whole workout where he was working out on. Tatum was working on Kawhi was working on for brunts and work and I was just like, nah, man, you gotta you gotta customize on package. You got a customize on bag. You know what I'm saying. It's too it's man, the bag looks similar throughout all of it, you know what I'm saying.
And that's real.
Like you said, you can look at people with that game, It's like, oh, I know who he trying to win the off season.
I hate to say that, even though I don't know the trainer. Yeah, I'll see it look similar, you know what I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. And then that would bring you back to oh yeah, yeah, yeah they do got the same one. Oh yeah they do. Uh that type of thing.
So you talk about the mid range, you talk about the guards in the league, you talk about SGA going crazy with the vision, and then you gotta talk about looks Man, the house you built, the young guy in there reviving it.
Ae Man, nasty?
How was that man for you to be the best player at Tiple with history, to see the researchers with young AE with a similar mindset.
With it like a work like? How was that to like enjoy?
I love ants gold Man, like his I like his yesterdyear demeanor. Man, you know, I thought, I don't mind order all the being cool because you know, like you said, you know, you know, Gordon, you got guys from Thattown that you fuck. We're right, y'all see each other's cool, right, Bro, It ain't cool to the point where going gonna let you scoring him now, or you're gonna let That's what I'm saying the ship started to look buddy buddy at one point. That's that's why it just didn't look like it was competitive well what I was used to seeing. So, you know what, I had to get off that this is a new generation and this is what the game looks like now. So I start to go in that direction. But man, I gotta I gotta say, bro, like, yeah, I enjoy competitiveness. I ain't enjoying guys or you know yeah, And I think that's a big part of it. Gaming ship is another big part of it. You know, I have never pulled up to a park and never seen anybody you pull up to the parking those too. You know what I'm saying straight push your ass and asking what I'll bust your ass for the first stretch I was trying. I'm the first stretch for I don't give a fuck what you did that? Fred I got you you coming in the post, my nigga, slow down. I can't even like right and grabow having nothing. I'm having them Isaac Lander didn't have no joke. I'm having a grandma like who bust? Who asks nigga? What we've gotta? Women? Drais got a women drais, Hey, they got the women here, dog, we go right to you know what I'm saying, right show down dog first like nothing, I don't I don't know you, ain't I ain't know you.
Nigga, don't get to know you. Right, funk out of here. That's who asks nigga right turns my whole you asked you got all the shows? Bro, I bust your knees right here there. That is the specialized, the whole specials Like here you still, I'm gonna tell you what I do. I don't hoop, but I work out money through Friday.
Just for if I got a little more fucker mouthing off, I could go up here. I can you know what I'm saying. I keep the dusk off just enough, but I'll be honest. I want to ashoot us to see if you're having the same issue. Bro. I don't really go and hoop and turn it up turn it up, because I already know that's gonna send me right. You don't have no place to put the hope many No, that's how I am. Like, how do you how do you turn off? To have you turned it off? Yeah?
I turned it off on a gym back in Indy and we got a men's league.
But I never play serious.
Like you got playing fucking around.
I just be trying to get stay in shape. And then like I played in the Big Three the other day and that moment happened that dude scored him. I was just chilling. He scored on me a couple of times. He's having a good day, and all of a sudden it flipped. I throwing the ball at him, and I was like, saving me. I'm a podcast. Now what am I doing?
I gotta old nigga, you're a demon. Remember how you got the podcast, I'm saying, And embrace that bro, real ship, real ship. They be trying him at the gym. Hey listen, that's why you're going there. You're supposed to bust that much whoever the fuck that is. You bust his ass and kill his confidence right there. See, when we play, I won't ever have this problem out The small fucker want nobody. And when I see him, he gonna come with, oh man, I take it or it's gonna be regardless. Okay, cool, But it's different after you play a nigga and then you go in the mirror look at yourself, like damn I couldn't get a bucket on that motherfucker. And you're gonna look at them shoes like, man, these shoes are gonna start. And that's what I That's what I was going for. I'm here to destroy your inner confidence. But you ever say no ship like that? You real rod up? See how you looking at now? You down what you said? You got doubting? I'm ready, don't look ready, I'm ready on your voice is ready? What that means, I'm gonna kill you with them pulling? What that means? You got a referee? Shoot, get the quart ups, set the quarter up? What we doing, tennessee sept the court up? Hennessy all, we got right do a shot before we got them played too, nigga. Oh, that's that's I said, before we play. I'm ready right now. I'm ready right now too, nigga, he said, Now.
Before we get out of here.
Man.
I would to talk about one of the best foint guards that does not get enough credit. And I think in this era he would have got as much love as he should deserve. Steph Mall Barry Man. I feel like he was in this era, dog, we would give him way more praise, like he's one of the ones from me always has been. But I fight in this league now, the way they let the guards go crazy they do. Man, he would go so crazy right now, y'all had one of the best one to tattles we ever seen.
Man.
Yeah, playing with Steph was dope. Man. Steph was a real friend too, yeah real Yeah. Yeah. I was friend with his brothers, you know. Shout to Dawn, Eric, Zach, all those guys, uh, Sebastian Fox, five thirty, all those guys. Yeah. I spen Corney Island earlier at seventeen team. Yeah. Uh so when we got together in Minnesota, it felt like this is what we wanted to do, and uh it made the game easy. You know, you're not playing with the guy that you fuck with, you know what I'm saying. You know your speed? And then Steph won them. He was an IQ guy. You know, I had. I had really good hands and he used to always be like, care, you better have your hands ready. You know what I'm saying, Just knowing that he was on orthodox with his passes and his timing. But bro Bro trained differently, you know what I'm saying. He saw the world and the game differently, and when he played. I thought he did a great job of show showcasing that. You know, Steph. Steph had pieces from all the guards that we loved, the Rod Stricklands, the Kenny Anderson's, the Pearl Washington's right, he had all those pieces when you look at all guard played right, But then think about team intelligence. Yeah, a lot people don't tap in intelligence. A lot of people don't understand timing, what plays to call, what his whole variety of who here playing with and what what's the spread she for them? Like, you know, you could probably tap into this a little bit. But when guards, when you go through the guard play and you analyze what it takes to be a polished guard and not just polished on on the on the black top, but I'm talking about polished guard in the league and lead the team. Steph was one of those you know what I'm saying. He looked up to Ai him. Ai had a bunch of you know, back and forth. I think Steve Fanzy jumped in there later on. So I should love to watch that. But Steph grew to on his own. I think once we got to Minnesota. You know, I think that you know, within himself, if you know anything about Steph has a really big personality, super New York, super CI. You know, he Coney Island, Brooklyn until he died. So when he came up and was on something like, yeah, I want to I'm finna go back there. I'm finna go back home. I'm finna, I'm finna go back home and try to do it ill. I was mad because I was being selfish and wanting us to go and rock and see what we can be. But then when I thought about it, I was like, I can't even be mad because you only get one chance at this ship and for you to be able to go to a franchise and you beat ahead of it and you run it and get the have say and put the pieces in there that you won't Ah, bro, I can't even be mad at you. Then he was talking like he had some vision and where he wanted to go, and we ended up sending him to Jersey, which was you know, not New York, but it was Jersey, and for him to go back there, he looked happier. He was around his family and he was in his setting. And then I kind of came off of like, Okay, he doing him, and then I didn't take it so personal, you know what I'm saying. It was just when he was on something like, oh I want to be in Minnesota, like, nah, nigga, you want to go do your own ship, which I can respect, and yeah, shout the stuff. Man. It was a good time when it was good. Hate then when you get to tap into that potential to see what we could have been. But yeah, shout the stuff for that man. Underrated twenty eight for sure. Yeah, man, just spoken enough.
Bro.
Yeah you know what too, man? You know the league, man, what's your story and how you come through and things that follow you. Yeah, man, they put all that on you. You know what I'm saying, if you got in trouble abn C or you you know, I say he did anything to fuck the game off or whatever, But I know his situations in the Knicks and that whole tobacco in high that whole played out, and then him having to go to China and ship like Steph should have never had to go to China, you know what I'm saying. Stefan Marlborough had to go to China's crazy, but showing to his true brilliance, Man, he goes over there, he takes over the fucking league. He becomes what we all know him to be, the great spirit that he is, you know what I'm saying. And he went over there and made the China League popular to where players go over there and play. Now, I don't know if they're gonna go play after seeing the young boys sleeping in the fucking lobby.
That was that crazy.
Listen, we talk about the NBA and these different leagues. The league is I say this, it's professional. You never have a guy in none of those aspects. And then too, I'm thinking, one, where's your agent and where's your teammates? That's the first thing I thought. If you sleeping in the lobby, where the where's your other teammate? You know what I'm saying? And who's not speaking of you? Whole another conversation, I say, But yeah, shout shout to shout to Steph doing that. Man, No, no, no, I say, the young fella doing that. But I was just going back to Steph and being able to making China popular and all that ship. But yeah, Steph was one of them. Question Marshall, what what could have been? You know what I'm saying.
Before we get out of here, man, last fan question for me man, one of my favorite pictures. One of the favorite passes oops of all time at an All Star joint. You A cole Man, one of my favorite things I've seen on the basketball court.
Man.
Yeah, shout to Bean. Yeah. When I when we when we was, when we was coming up, when I first met that crazy motherfucker being was super intense, super intense as a young kid. And then when we got to the All Star Game. It was in New York and they caught the East Oup first and We're sitting in the back and I'm boo, I am so, I am own, I'm ready to get out here. Man, fuck them, you know, like it was just I was ready, and it was the first time I saw him like nervous, and nobody else was paying attention to shit. You know, we the youngest here. It's it's a it's a it's a it's actually a clip. They don't play the whole clip, but they play a piece of like, yeah, motherfucker, were at the Old Star Game. Nigga were at the Old Star Game. Nigga not dappy, you see. And I'm in the back like this a nigga, you ready, Nigga, We ain here. We ain't here now now death and he like, yeah, yeah, we at the hoosh, like, nigga, get your gas up. Hey, nigga, we going at this nigga because they was already puffing him and Mike nigga fuck him. We get out here. I'm looking for you. Be ready, he said, all right, cool, and I'll be Damn. I'm talking about the second player in the game, third play Boo boom. I came out to it on the left side and I looked up. I just put it right in the middle of the realm and where he was coming for that time. That perfectly well, this nigga jumps so motherfucking high. And when I talk about that, Vince Carter moment bought cob asses. I watched it from my perspective. I threw it, so I watched him just we dunked that motherfuckers already came out. I was like, yeah, I was. I was on some nigga ship. He was on some like let's be professional, man, fuck that man, fuck, let's let's get it. So that energy coming out playing. Yeah, that was a magical game because MJ was looking for it too, and he wanted all smoke, throwing his hand licking his fingers and ship. It was on him, him, him, the demon came out of He was in massive square, you know he you know, he really activate when in there right oh man, it was no bigger stage than center stage at MSG and watching that going back and forth, MJ solidified himself, you know what I'm saying. But Cole establishing himself right there, you know as kamement.
Man, what better way in his ticket?
Go ahead, go ahead?
Yeah, that's an MVP right there. Yeah, so you want the MVP top seventy five. You did them the everything you could do in basketball, Bro, to trans like, you know, transition to doing podcasts and being more open, like because me knowing you when you play, you was the best teammate. My brother told me you the ultimate teammate. Everybody in Minnesota told me you was the ultimate teammate, the best bet you can have. But you never talked about players or nobody like that. To see you show love to young guys now, it's different, bro, Like most of the old heads that we used to say, Like with old heads when I used to watch, they would talk crazy about the young guys are.
They getting this money?
They don't play?
And then you come in you like, yeah, I love.
A yeah to put a lot of light on him. Yeah, well think about this, guys, real shit when you play Man. Man, At least for me, I couldn't playing that gray area. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Even though I mean Chouncey Billups Toronto, lou Shee Wallace, these are my personal friends, and I understood what it was when we all played. So you know, when I played Man, I locked into who was rolling with me? And if you notice, I never really fragnized with it the other side. I dapt you say, what up? But it was never like a you know what I'm saying, unless I really really never That was probably maybe one or two a handful of guys I count on one hand, right, So when it came to make a jump to poadcasting and stuff, I thought those experiences of being able to share some of those stories and you know the fact that I have never sat back and had a real conversation with you before we got in here to let you know my respects towards you, and when I was a fan of yours and your body of work, and the reason why I was growling it, I ain't growled at everybody ain't no manin no, ain't no nigga ever gonna come back up and like man Kevin and im growded than me. I'm only doing that the niggas that I got, you understand what I'm saying. So I had a certain level of respect for you, so to come on here just feel me. You know, I'm saying. Let them know that man, not only that fuck with you, but you know your little brother when he came in Brooklyn and cuffed them like that was That's what this is. That's what to me, that's what the podcast brain is laying. It's for It's for me to be able to I took all this experience and let me just throw out these experiences. Hey man, this happened to me over here, This happened, and that's all it is for me to be able to make reference to things that I've been through to what these young guys are going through, to let them show that the parody is very similar. Bro. But you're thinking it's hard, bro shit, y'all ain't practicing, bro. Imagine having a practice. Matter of fact, imagine doing two days for thirty days. Y'all ain't so when I share some of this experiences only to bring it back to today's game, because I think today's game, the young boys think it a certain way. But man, Bro, but ten years ago it's a whole nother way and a whole nother way of style. So taking that greatness too, Bro, remember this about yourself. You know, when you went to wait for its, you became great there. You can't to lead. You established a greatness about yourself so much that you gotta brand now to where you got a podcast. You coming up here speaking on not just in the NBA experience, but IQ and articulating for your audience. Right, that's a greatness. It was no way I think, y'all, I was gonna come in here and see you two sixty five or overweight, looking like a bum. Note you know what I'm saying, as Bro, Because you got a greatness about you, so I would expect that when you walk off the court to have the same thing. Bro. I tried to dominate every point that I was on the court. Who's to say you put that up when you step off of it. You know, I just took that same image. I put it into something else. If you ask my partners at Contact Cartel, my partners they'll tell you how hard I go at that shit when we put out when when we put our shows together, I'm up all night. I don't use no cards, just all off my dome. I ripped and this is my This is my vision for the world and what I want to give them for. When we shoot I shoot it with p who's my real best friend in real life, and he's as crazy as they come. So y'all get to see the two guys who real best friends talk basketball in front of y'all, and so we you know, we clean it up as much as we can, but we like to be y'all selves. We dress how we fucking dress were coming here. You know what I'm saying, Like like all this, put a nigga in the box and have them talk like this and wind them up and then any when that dude that ship out of here. Fuck that niggas ain't doing that ship no more. Fire man, bro, you know what is from us, And that's why I love about y'all show y'all show fire because it's from y'all. You know what I'm saying. I love how you came on here talking your ship. You know what I'm saying. I keep going, nah, thank you, Bro, I didn't want It's all good, Lord, And then you're gonna be careful on how you got up. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, Man, I ain't no bus driving my nigga. I'n some real ship for real. I wore twenty one because of you all. This real ship, Bro, that'st respect, that's respects. That's before you even probably start watching our probab when we first start talking. And they used to jone on me for being like the first five team power four And that's my favorite power for it, bros. The first face of what you saying, first face up four bro at five then bro like that. I called it the praying Manton Yeah, and I was built like this. So you've been this whole just side, your whole body, your whole life. Shout out to my grandma's side. No, you got sixteen and ten K sixteen ten? What's that mean? That was my status whole word sure in Indianapolis And I played with George too. Yeah, yeah, Well what the fuck is George Hill at these days?
Antonio? You're on the far on.
I saw that nigga got John thought he was that's George. That the Dreads, George Hill like skin, George Hell Yeah, yeah, my bad bad he ain't got no George Hill Arizona, George George here Yeah, George bad mother. Fuck George Hill, bad motherfuck too by Yeah talk ship Yeah, a little light skinned ass nigga Yeah, go fuck with g oh people. Man, we appreciate you for coming on though.
Man, this is you know what I'm saying, one time for the one time.
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We had the legend blessings with his presence.
Man, my man's our concert going crazy, human pee, keep it entertained and keep it authentic, you know what it is. Club five twenty Hennessy were about to go to dres and had a real fun. We appreciate you rocking with us, Hennessey Arid. It's been a hell of a time. We're gonna catch you on the next time.
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