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Club 520 - Brandon Jennings & Jeff Teague on WILD rookie season with Bucks, trashing Ricky Rubio

Published Feb 29, 2024, 5:56 PM

We’re back with Season 2, Episode 45 of Club 520 where Jeff Teague and the guys are joined by former member of the Milwaukee Bucks, Detroit Pistons, and New York Knicks Brandon Jennings to discuss all things high school, AAU, overseas, and NBA basketball. Jennings tells stories about guarding Chauncey Billups, going back and forth with Eric Gordon, signing to play overseas out of high school, trashing Ricky Rubio, and much more!

00:00 - Introduction
01:30 - Playing against Chauncey Billups
03:00 - Best Hoop Mixtapes
05:23 - Going to Oak Hill
10:00 - Best AAU memory
13:00 - ABCD camp story
16:10 - BEST High School basketball player in Cali
19:30 - Brandon Jennings got Jeff Teague paid
23:10 - Brandon Jennings going overseas
25:40 - Signing with Under Armour
28:50 - Playing in today's NBA
29:55 - Scoring 55 in a game
35:40 - Draft workouts

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I'll be back another episode of Club five twenty podcasts. I'm the host. My name is DJ Right. Well, special guests in the building. To my left, we gonna introduce my man's last to my far left. My dog should be here out the pear least. How you what?

What's having? The nationalists? Get to it? God, damn it. I see you upgraded the forces. You know what I'm saying.

You know what I'm saying, Jennis, have you ever seen the call? You know I'm say they're rocking the Black forces with the white laces out there?

No, I mean black forces mean that you you about serious business? Damn damn. Somebody about to get got you a high fashion again and here we will tap in after the pole. Bro. I got fun with him though, I mean, easy, just can you just have to shout to the poll the all black so on too, so you know you know what a shout easy, it's a way they back. Yeah, they're back at all. We got to my right, young young team.

I ain't got the Black Forces over, but I have to beat them up.

He's mother. What's these called black cat force? Yeah? You might not rob a nigga, but you might stab a nigga know you know what I'm saying. But man, it's good man.

We got we got legendary, we got an a legend, a real legend class all wait, whop legend.

A lot of y'all getting paid because of this man right here. B Jennings, appreciate you putting up the five twenty.

My dog Man show. Bro.

Oh y'all, thank you that show man. Like we gotta start off the episode the right way. We got to ask you a tough question. You know what I'm saying. You came in the league, get super active. You know what I'm saying. We know what you did. Who is the first person that you guarded in the league? Was just like, oh, this shit crazy. I know you was a pro already when you got to the league. Who was that first match show?

You?

Was just like, oh shit, I got deal with this shit every night. Uh. I would have to say Chauncey Phillips. I think it was like my third game man, and I gave him thirty twenty nine. Oh. But at the same time, I just knew. I was like, okay, like this is what the league's about. Like posting me off like you know what I'm saying. I have to get stronger everything. But Chauncey Phillips was like my wake up call to like all right, like all right, like this is what it's gonna be.

Like Nah fuck that How does a wake up call you had thirty two or nine?

Ship, I don't be like this easy. I mean because like I mean like I'm a rookie, so I'm a fan. So it's like I'm going to get MVP like the finals and you know, NBA champion and be able to be like with him and Kenyon, Martin Mellow and j are out there in thirty two nine, it's like, oh, Ship, like you know, like it was it was a hype moment, but it also was like a moment of like okay, like all right, like this was gonna be about Like so who made you switch your bag up? Though? When you end up against them? Who made me switch my bag up?

Yeah?

Like who was that crazy back and forth? Duor I know Chauncey made you think about the game, But who was that when you first went up against and it was like, all right, I'm at this nigga here we're going crazy at each other?

Uh in the league?

Yeah, Jarren Williams, you will that crossover d Will yeah in Utah, the double snatch, yeah, the double and then like once I matched up with like I had a bunch of great games against d Will, Like you know what I'm saying.

So I just felt like and he was one of the top guards, so you know it was him a CP three. So those two and being able to match up with d Will, it was like it was like I was like, all right, like I'm nice, Like you know what I'm saying. I can compete because like he was one of the top guards.

You a mixtape legend, got one of the coldest basketball mix types of all time. Austin Rivers was talking about it recently about the mixtape situation. Obviously we know where you staying in that who would you say besides you was so man. The people like damn, he got a crazy mixtape, a kill Car stopper. The fact that when he played he stopped crying in Baltimore says a lot about him because they do the wire out there, like you know, so I don't think a lot of people give a kill Cart his love. But I've seen that that young and and the type of hype and the type of people that come in Baltimore and like stop everything they doing just to see him.

That's that's different, Like that's just different to me. I remember him playing against Mooka.

When that that was that was dope. I told him was kind of low key scared to guard him a little bit. He started doing all that ship. I seen mook stand up, like man, going with that ship now. But you know who had another crazy mixtape. Dude named Trey Jefferson. Oh, Trey Jefferson bro his mixtape crazy, I Ain't Gonna lie you Gotta Fire mixed.

Tape Tray Jefferson, John Wall, John Wah, you know John Washing School the person I am, Yeah, John Wall, I mean yeah, man, I mean you know that was just the beginning of it. You know, even d Rose. You know you look at the roll ship like it's crazy. Treik Evans, but you know that's you know, that's one of my goal to a class. You know, if people don't say I'm the best player in the A class, I gotta go with Errey Evans. You know, damn any day, Like Terry Evans was like, did you have any of you battles? Did we play against each other? You know, we played against against each other high school against o'kill and he, man, he crossed No One Smith so bad and that was my god, No God, but god, damn he hit No One with something crazy. But no, man, he was just like that, you know, that that big guard, Like he was one of the first big guards that we've seen. Like you know how guards now are like six four sixty five, Like he was that first big guard that you've seen. And that's why he went so high in the draft too, because everybody was under six foot and he was like six three six four.

The product type yeah of what today is absolutely so man, we got to take it back in high school. That I mean, it started you off being a legend. You go from Cali to the East coast. Yeah obviously you know saying how you got there, But how was that making that decision to go to Okill leaving comfort zone young kid growing into a man taking basketball? It is like your real job. Now, how was that decision? And like how was that going out there? Because we talked to everybody, like we talked to Josh Smith going out there were like damn, o'k Hill said, like y'all was doing a bid out there.

I mean to me, I just wanted more in life. Like my situation at home wasn't great. Grew up in a sycamparent mother home. You know, my dad passed when I was eight, so at eleven, I had to become the man of the house. Like you know, basketball became a job and it was the you know, it was paying rent and things like that. So, you know, oak Hill was just a situation where I wanted to grow and you know, do things for myself, like you know, ok Kill. I had to wash my own clothes, I had to go to school, wake up and you know, clean my room and just be a man, like you know what I'm saying, grow up. So it was definitely one of the best experience I've had in my life. And you know, that was one of the reasons why I don't mind taking challenges and taking risk in life because of that move to oak Kill. I think we were just talking about it before on the part, but you know, it was between me and Eddie Reels m if y'all know who. Eddie Reels is lefty from Miami, and you know we were supposed to, Uh, Steve Smith had to choose between me and him, and we're both lefties. But of course I got the nod because you know, my man Marcus Williams and his dad Kelly Williams, they you know, they looked out for me, and of course he made the best decision. Definitely respect to Eddie, but we know what this I busted, Eddie asked, but he's facts.

I played against Eddie Riyolson when he went to Miami, and yeah, they made a good decision.

But no, no disrespect though. You did what you had to do.

But I was wondering, like I knew you for it now. I was a fan of your game since you was in high school. You were younger than me, but I used to watch your game. So you played for so Cal out of California. Yeah, you had a squad. I remember the first time I seen y'all played with you, Chase Buddinger, I think Taylor King and Taj Gibson and y'all went up against Indy Heat, who had Greg Olden, Mike Conley, ay Kwan Cook, Aaron Pole, Eric Gordy and y'all had a duel and that was the first time I seen like somebody really go at Mike like you wouldn't like you wouldn't.

Like ship and they like, yeah, he younger, too younger than them. I was like tenth grade. Yeah, I'm like, man, who is this little motherfucker?

And I was like, I ain't no hater, but I'm like, you know, people like, nah, he gonna beat the trip. They can't funk with Mike. I'm like, then, me fucking with Mike, best guard in the country. Yeah yeah, yeah, Like what was that like, man, Like competing two grades up?

I guess you was a I mean I always loved the challenge, man. So you know, like I said before, like you know my situations in life, so basketball was like everything that's all I knew. So you know, I had to work ten times harder. You know, I'm only six to one, and you know, us as little guards, we gotta, you know, put in the extra extra time. So just being able to, you know, be at that age and be in advance and you know, be out there with Greg Golden, Eric Gordon, Greg Golden, Eric Gordon, you know the day Kwon Cook, Mike Conley, Like, taking on those challenges early just helped me help my game. So when I played against my class I was looking at them. It was like they was like, like you like you light because because I never ducked the smoke since abc D camp, since you know, you've been a b CD camp the big time everything. Like so you if you see me at that, that means you know I wasn't ducking smoke. Now you will have duck enough smoke.

That's why when you was talking about Gills Arenas, like, I mean, I don't know. I didn't get to see them in high school. I knew Whean mm'sott buckets high school. I seen him at McDonald's and all that ship. But I'm like, bro, I've seen this nigga. He was in tenth grade, tring.

To hold my own. He was out there better niggas too. Yeah, played against the top like that's you know, I'll be on you know, I'll be keeping it humble with you had a did you play against o J Mayo to time? My nigga, Keenan Ellis was on that squad.

You've been playing niggas like in high school and on AU That's what I'm saying. Niggas that came all the way from Ohio out there to Domingas the folk with y'all.

So you've been doing it for a long time, bro, Yeah, I mean yeah, Oja he killed us. Yeah, I was different, but it's just like you know, that's the that's the that's why I love the game of basketball, like I love, like, you know, the challenge. Like it's like I don't I don't really fuck with people in basketball that that never took up on the challenge. Like you know, if you're not in those sayings, you don't like being in that hostile environment, then it's like it's not for you, like because this is what it's about, Like it's everything is hostile's competition. So it's like you duck and smoke. It's like, you know, like watch out moving around. I got a question, though, what's your best AU matchup? You think my best AU matchup? Yep, I think my best my best AU game. And it has nothing to do with like scoring. It has to do with locking up Eric Gordon in the second half of the championship game in a big time Eric Gordon had forty points on this street him and Derrick Rose. Eric Gordon was coming down killing I'm talking about he was killing us right halftime. I said, I got him. I got him, like I got y'all do what y'all do? I got him and I held him to like maybe ten sixteen points. I mean, you know he's so at forty. But it was just like like that moment of just like you know, being a defender and having to you know, like take a you know, take a step down and just like you know, like like defend somebody. So you know, that was like one of my big, biggest like a you moments to me. I was at that game.

They beat us in the final four mean streets did Eric Gore had a dunk that was on the internet. He dunk one of my teammates shot at the time home. Yeah, he dunked on Tommy so bad. Everybody ran on the court. Brother got ejected and everybody started blowing us and free man, he got punched on. You gotta pushed it. I got crossed the half court. My fuck, but you made that happen. I'm like, God, damn fun Temmy. But they started booing us and I watched y'all game and Eric is going crazy crazy. I'm like, Yo, this nigga is the best player.

He from here.

So I'm like, damn, Eric really is good. Yeah, who's the best player ever seen?

Not Indiana? Eric in high school. Eric was going in high school when he did the Jordan Kids bro ESPUs legendarybody. It was crazy.

But then to see y'all keep going at it, I'm like, Eric was killing so much, and then the second half, like you said, you started competing against him. I'm watching the game differently because I'm a fan of the game. I'm like, Damn, Eric can't really get by him, Like, Damn, Eric really ain't killing no more, Like damn the fuck this little nigga killing, Like that's the same nigga from last year.

I'm noticing.

I'm like, this little motherfucker gonna be cold because I'm older than him, So I'm baking, like yo, he's a little next thing. You know it's him, Bro, Yeah, I ain't gonna lie. That little fro little shirt was big as.

Hell, off and ship the big guy's. White teachers used to wear a job brother like this gonna be nice. Had the hardball uniforms. Y'all was tugging man what Yeah, we were. I mean, Sonny had it lit for shout out to Sunny pakrola legend. You know when he got to Rebok. You know we was, you know, we had to. We was wearing ice creams a st Carters uh Iver, since I mean, I don't know what shoes y'all have. No we get that. You know that ship you was the first thing I am. Let me tell you about these niggas A. B. C. D. Kim Man.

It's him Thomas, Like I'm nobody knows. I get invited by this camp by coach kind of got me in, Nigga. I'm in the back of the line, way for my jersey and shoes. Him and I t come out the back two boxes of shoes, jersey, sweatshirts, all.

Type of ship.

I'm like, damn, everybody get that ship. I get up to the line of motherfucker's hand me my shoes. I ain't even in a box. They hand me my two like this, like you go. That's what I knew. Those niggas was different. Bro, What was your jersey? Like two fifty s like some real whatever like we was talking about it earlier.

Nigga, the real Hoopers played the second and the fourth. Yeah, I played the first and the third.

So but I'm killing I'm thinking I'm fucking niggas up to a nigga.

Corey Fisher I played. He played the first quarter.

In the fourth quarter, I had a good game against him in the first, a good quarter against him. And then the nigga told me in the middle of the game, like, nigga, you playing in the third like you talking about I get to look it. I'm like all the good niggas, all the good niggas on the bit.

I was like, damn it. Thought he was a real starter, thought I was one nigga. They started me and everything was called though he was cold New York behind him, man, everybody nigga came, Bro.

They started yelling for the best matchup at that time. You had a good matchup, but a fire match was him and Johnny Flynn. The crowd was just standing up the whole game, and I never forget Paul here.

It was like you better than him, Johnny, and looking back, you're better than him. I'll never forget that.

Bro.

Every CD Chemera was a moment, was crazy. And then the one with Lance Stevenson and O J was in the eighth grade. In the eighth grade going against an old J Mill that was a junior Like, like I already tell people, man, Lance Stevenson is one of them ones. That's to me, that's just like bro. He was like, Bro, he was different slam Bro, like he was he was the party, the kid like he was up next ready like I know Sebastian Telfairs. And he kept that legacy going. That's real fact.

So shout out to Lance Stevens can a legacy who the best? Look at him. I don't know how to pie. That's crazy, that's crazy.

And on this nast by the way, Bro, you might as well have t paint on. I was supposed to be going back to keep it going. This is a natural part. So this is what natural. That's crazy. But like I like my p now.

But speaking of the legacy, we talk about like California where you put yourself as like California Guards. You know you got bad, you got guilt, Yah, got so many James Harden, where you put yourself.

Well, we're could just say high school. Well okay, we're just talking high school. Then we're talking everything. Then I have to go with you know, if we're talking everything NBA, I'm gonna go with James and Russ with the Guards and then I mean, of course Gil and b D. But we're talking just high school out of California. I mean I'm number one, Like there's there's no guard in California basketball that ever played high school basketball that's better than me. That's all just off the fact that, first of all, I left Domingus, like who the fuck leaves Domingus when it's a powerhouse school to go to Okill. So I made a transition that was first of all bold, ignorant, uh, you know, like you know, hockey type. And I go to Okill my first year and win the national championship all right, so you know, forty and one, and then my senior year, I become nationpent Player of the Year. So I actually actually feel like I took the bullet for US West Coast. I mean La Hoopers, you know, going to going to the East Coast and having to battle all these guards and and you know, take on every challenge every night because you know, okay, ain't no game, every every game down, like you lose one game, you don't win. You ain't in't no state, no no national nothing. You're just going there. So I just think my route, my route in general in high school was just better than anybody's.

Nah, you got the best route. So I thought about it. I'm like, hell, no, your route is crazy, bro. Yeah, I would say y' all the best.

I mean, I don't know every guard in California and that it's gonna be a great debate for the PIP when people getting YouTube comments or whatever. But for me, I was gonna say you was the best out of high school overall. Like I agree with you, James and Russ. They the NBA's careers are amazing, but California got so many hoopers.

I mean, and then you know, even out of high school, like going straight, like like just the beginning of my career in the NBA, I was better than a lot of things. No, you know what I'm saying, like from from from Europe until like you know, my my thing is I didn't have to wait. You did, like you know, and that's that's just my biggest thing. Like I was always a star and I hated you.

This is real ship nigga everything, and I felt that, you know.

What's crazy, I felt that when we played. I'm like, Jeff, I don't think Jeff fuck with me, Like like like what's the nigga? Everything I wanted to do? This nigga was doing this. Niggas started as a rookie. Nigga's killing I'm like, what the fuck? Like I just went to wait for it.

I was killing this nigga get to play. I'm gonna stand behind Mike Dibbie. But then I never forget that nigga that behind the back rep around hit the layup, looked at me, said you.

Might want to get in the game.

Niggah ship This old nigga can't guard me. He wasn't saying it as like nigga, you can't fuck with me. He was saying it like, nigga, get him out the game. Show it's young niggas time.

Like, but I was hurt.

I'm going to It's like Josh Smith being asked he is. He was like, damn, h I know you want to play.

You want to play for sure? John, you know you think you hum, yeah, you don't want to play.

I was like, damn, but nah, you was cold, and I was like I was hating because you was playing, but I always respected you, Like no, this nigga is good, and I knew when it was time to play, you like, it's nigga liable to get fifty, So let me try to go at him first because I know this nigga about to get his ship off. Nigga like he gonna go at you. So if we try to like at least try to give him some foul trouble or something because he getting his fifty or twenty five thirty. I was like, damn, and I still thank you to this day that you want to leave Milwaukee because he the reason I got some money.

Yeah yeah, yeah, I say, yeah, you can't do no wrong. You can't do because they talk about it. They offered me, and then I was like and I had to go because they wanted me to go meet Bud. I'm like, I'm not finna go go to Atlanta and meet him, like what the fuck? Like you know, just young me, you know young like you know, we ain't and then and then they offered you. And then that's when I went to Detroit. Yeah, that's what I was like, because they want Atlanta wanted me, and I was like, I'm ain't going to Atlanta, Like I just wasn't working with it. I was like, I appreciate this snake for the rest of my life.

I'm not starting back.

I was like, he's not signing bag.

I'm sitting at the crib because Atlanta offered me like four year twenty four and they just gave Kyle Korver like four year twenty eight.

I'm like, ah, y'all fucking kidding me.

I'm like walking, yeah, y'all playing for real, bro. And then he was like, I don't know what they offered you, but you turned it down. I'm like, damn, Like I thought you was gonna get Like everybody was like, I'm like, Jenny's getting that like Stephan tomorrow, I gonna get the same. And you left, and I'm like, damn. They called me said, I love this nigg the rest of my life.

I need this bad now. But what's crazy is, you know, like going back to that situation, it's like, you know, that's the reason why I left my agent, Bill Duffie, because he didn't tell me that they had Milwaukee had offered me. Milwaukee had Milwaukee So so the beginning of that year, right before that year, Milwaukee had offered me forty for four right, and my agent didn't tell me. So so what happened was and my agent didn't tell me, and then the GM Jim at the time, what's my god? He told John Hammond, Right, John Hemmant, he told uh, he told my unarmed rap. He was like, man, can you believe this kid didn't take forty for four. I'm like, and I had no idea that they had offered me, so then come so then come back. My agent was like yeah, you know, uh he was like, yeah, I don't think forty for four is it, like, you know, we should go for the max max max. So my mom and him was pushing the max, and you know, it kind of fucked my situation, my relationship with my mom too, ad agent, because it was like, well, y'all doing shit behind my back and I don't even know. So I didn't sign going into I'm playing the game and it was too late to sign, so I had to play that whole year in Milwaukee without being uh you know, you know, without I wanted to resign. So that's why the situation looked so bad when I left, because it's like, well, I wanted to sign, but it was too late for me to sign because I didn't know they offered me.

So I had got fucked OVERMN. So yeah, that was my big that they helped me.

And I mean I mean, yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, but but you know that that's just yeah, that was just like the code of the game, like you know, and I was speaking to the rising stars of the day kids about like life and you know, situations and the people that surround you. You know, you gotta you know, you gotta uh you know, watch yous around you. You know, no matter if it's your mom, it's your dad, is your agent, anybody like you gotta make sure they're really there for you and care for you. And you know, younger, my younger career didn't really have good people around me. And I'm not saying my agent wasn't good or people. It's just things that they didn't tell me. Like I like to be be honest with me, like I'm gonna take it how it is. But when you don't tell me, then you know, then I gotta act because you know what I'm saying, then I gotta act out.

There was no reason for you to leave Milwaukee because you was like, yeah, yeah, but they offered me.

But yeah, they offered me. That's why I was confused. I was like, damn. I was like, fuck it offer she I saw that so fast. He said, what curse of great? But nah, but when you did that, you went to Detroit.

And we're gonna get back to you being in Milwaukee and how he was killing because I know you went to Detroit after that, but you was killing Detroit too.

But I want us to go back to Milwaukee, mama.

Fact I won't go even further back, like you not even going to college, Like what made you take that route? Like fucking You're supposed to go to Arizona and you're like, nah, well I couldn't pass that, sat. It's a lot of like that crazy They don't gotta do that, shi it no more.

Yeah, yeah, it's probably because of you. Ship come from you. Brandon is demnit the soldier boy. But no, like I mean, it wasn't that because pass it. They flagged my my score twice. So I had took it in the summertime, right, so so I'm out of school. I had to take it again, and I took it and then they flagged it. Right, So I'm in the summer and I'm just like trying to figure out my life. Like you know, I'm eighteen, number one player in the country, and I don't have nowhere to go, damn, Like I have nowhere, I can't I can't go to summer school at Arizona. Luke Olson just retired. Jeral Bay jeral Bayles said that he's leaving. So I don't know what the hell I'm finna do, right, So, you know, I'm just sitting I'm sitting in the car in traffic with my mom broke. We broke, like poor trying to figure it out, you know, And Sonny Bacarel goes on the phone and he's like, yoa, I don't understand why kids just don't sit out for a year, train or go overseas. So I'm just like, well, damn, like you know, shait go over seas, Like you know, I don't know if I can play, you know. You know, I'll start going to YouTube looking at that video with him fighting and like I don't know what different. I'm like, I don't know about that, like you niggas might want to take off, like you know. So now I asked my coach Steve Smith. I was like, yo, do you think I can play? He was like, hell, yeah, you can play over there, Like this is gonna be good for you easy. So he was. He was one of the persons that gave me the confidence. And then I called Sonny and you know, for for youngins two going out there, Uh, you know that one something in life sometimes you have to pick up the phone and call uh people when you want something in life. So you know, I called Sonny. You know he was like hell, yeah, let's do this. You know, did my background check and everything, and then we went to Vegas in two weeks and I got signed. So so this was like, this was like all in a two week of span. Like I'm I'm in the house stressing out, like in my room, trying to figure it out. And you know, I'm just like, bro, I'm about to be a failure, Like I'm about to be one of them, you know, Lenny Cooks or whatever it is like, you know, just those guys and Sonny call, make the phone call. Then next thing you know, I signed, I signed a contract in Rome, uh for a team in room. And then I signed a contract with and Darmer. Well, like, what's that like? The level month all in the span of three weeks.

What it's like being that guy? Like we see Steph Curry got under Armer. Now yeah he's the big but you popped that ship on ere Yeah what was that like? Because I remember I used to look.

At your shoes. I was like, man, it's no way he liked them. Ship. Yeah, I mean it was different. You know, I just felt like my route has always been different, always felt like everything has been a challenge for a risk. So it was another risk, another challenge that I was taking, you know, me tearing my achilles of course in the shoes and things like that. You know, I just saw West Worldwide West the other day. You know, he gave me some advice to the long time ago when I had toward my achilles. He was like, you know, an armor they owe you, like you know that you should be signing a lifetime deal with him just because of what you started and what you built. And now that I'm working back with him, it's just like, you know, everything's been full circle for me. So it's like now I'm looking at it like ship, I'm in the I'm in the moment where I could get a lifetime deal with under They do like you know, so it's great, Like the journey of life has been great for me, Like you know, it's a blessing. I have a lot of gratitude and you know, I can't ask, you know, I can't thank God.

You know.

What's crazy is you sound with under Armer. I went with Nike.

I'm like, damn, it's getting all this money, right, and then I've seen Kimber Kimball coming under army.

Yeah you know what I did, hey, agent, you give me on under armer. I put them shoes on.

I said, these niggas got some good ass ankles, because these ain't gonna work for tigun work for me. These niggas are special. I knew you and Kimba was different. Boy, the way y'all was cutting the shit work for me. I said, I need some I need something a little starty. But I used to like how y'all came with y'all shoes. Many had every colorway.

Yeah, they used to treat y'all good, So it's it's dumblest man. Chryston made a lot of things happened during that time. I mean he was with Cray Brand now, but Chris Stone was really the force of everything. He was like whatever y'all want. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. It was like whatever we wanted. So we were we were basically just creating things like doing the lockout I had. You know, Christ made sure that I had an internship job. That's how I got into passion because I was in there. I was in there creating my own shoes and different things. So I was able to see how a business was supposed to be run and everything like making merch and everything. So do it right like that eleven. That twenty eleven lockout was special and gave us some of the best basketball ball time.

The Lockout program runs with some of the best basketball time yours reservice.

The other day, I had a oh yeah, I did a moment in the locker going to John wall. Yeah, we had a little moment.

Mine just resurface to Josh Shelby. Oh, y'all had a moment and yeah, Josh the fee. Yeah, shout out to Josh Shelby. Bro. We adin't fun each other when I first song because because it was like, you know, like that Hooper moment, you know when you look at somebody like look up and down out here. It was like that. But nah, sho be more.

I always wanted to, Like you said, you're pioneered so many things of basketball, especially for both of the other ways y'all play. If y'all could play in y'all problem like in today's NBA, especially ways you can market yourself, especially way like with the fashion the way you just how you went period, it would be so crazy, Like if you would be able to take over like under armor handle and then play in the game, like you feel like you could just grow your brain even more now the way that they encourage players to have their own brands now because they kind of discouraged it.

Back then on the low. Yeah, I mean I feel like to me, I was ahead of my time, Like I came in to the league fucking gumby fucking high top fade Louis backpack. But today, I feel like if we played today, they would hate us because we wouldn't need the NBA, Like you know what I'm saying, Like we needed the NBA for marketing. Now you can market yourself, like you know what I'm saying. We would be on a part like you would have your podcast, right, you would have other things in life to where you wouldn't need like you could just market yourself and the money of course, I mean think about I mean now they're getting I mean, should we be getting eighty million there? Like imagine what we would be doing. So today, I think they would hate us because we wouldn't because we would be like like because we wouldn't need them, like like you know, like some of the stuff that we needed back then, we wouldn't need the NBA. We could just do ourselves. That's real.

Can we speak on that fifty five point game though, but do you remember that day from start to finish in Milwaukee?

Uh? The thing about fifty five people be forgetting I didn't score in the first quarter, so they did a shit in three quarters. Yeah shit, So I didn't score in the first quarter at all. I went zero for five and scouts pulled me out. He was like, you ain't ready to play. He's like, you ain't ready to play, Like one of the scouts was on me every fucking day, broth scout scouts because you know, he helped me, you know, especially not having a father figure in my life, like you know, your first your first coach, and your first you know everything in the league, like you want to go well. So like he was that guy that was there for me that that I needed to hear humble me and also let me know like you're not as that you think you like, you know that that that type of humbleness that I needed. But man, yeah, he took me out the game, like you ain't ready to play. Come back in there. He was like, hope, you're ready to play now, like you know, just always on me. But fifty five game. I just remember going to Denny's the next morning, went ton after scoring fifty five. Yeah, I mean under I'm my budget wasn't like that.

Like Thatckers from the seven went to the next day and then reading the newspaper with myself and it was cool though I was I was still young.

You know, I wasn't on no fancy. I was nineteen man, so you know, I was just like, let's go to Denny's, I hop or something like.

Man, I remember you scoring at fifty five and the next day I was at home and I seen you do ESPN like you had the ESPN maybe a day or two later or day maybe the next day, and I just remember watching now I was like, this motherfucker really scored fifty five points. Like I was sitting there thinking like this nigga gone like he's the one.

Like it was amazing.

I'm like, yo, they blew that ship up. And the way you went at another rookie was just Steph y'all was having a moment. But when you started, I'm like, damn, ain't it kind of crazy to see like like you're playing against Steph at that time and see where he is now. I tell everybody, like, this shit kind of real because I didn't see that.

Yeah, I mean, but you know, to be honest, you know, it's all about you know, I'm gonna tell you know, just for all the youngins, you know, it's all about the people you have around you. That's a fact. You know. Steph has you know, he has his wife, he has good people. You know, he has you know, he has a foundation. I didn't have a foundation. You know. I was trying to figure out my foundation when I was in the league, and it hurt me because instead of focusing on basketball, I was focused on foundation and trying to make everybody else around me happy when I should have been telling everybody no I can relate to. So you know that that's why, you know, I feel like in basketball, you know, it's not just you know, everybody works hard, everybody got the talent, but it's all about the people you have around you too. And at the beginning of my career, the people that had around me that was I was more. If I paid attention and knew what was around me, I probably have had a better career. Like you know, things would have happened for me better.

Now you, I feel like people don't give you enough credit because to me, you were like one of the first guards I've seen that was scoring. Like you've always been a really good pastor. I watched your game since it was high school, so I know you always like you was a pastor first, like you used to throw hello dimes. But like when I seen you become like a scorer, like you were scoring and ship and like Nick Vann next on them to always tell me like it's about making your other teammates better, I'm like, but this little motherfuckering Milwaukee.

Out there, like I keep talking to me about passing the fucking joke and he's fucking killing. But Nick Man was a scorer, That's what I'm saying. You ain't watching him like killing.

Luke written that are passing to him like seeing this ship and he was like, man, it ain't going that he get to do that for his team. And I used to be like, man, I feel like you in this league right now will be phenomenal like you would be. Ah, you already got the fashion of brown, you said the gun beyall. You already got the.

Brand and ship. But like you as a player in this league.

Broll you Anthony Edward personal bringing on the court, Bro, you.

Would have probably averaged twenty eight twenty seven. But you got to bike yourself up too though. Bro, Like your situation Atlanta was perfect for you. Like you know, you're like like you, I mean, you became an All Star. Yeah, but I want to shoot that Look.

Yeah, when I came out of high school, I mean college, I was a scorer, Like I averaged them at twenty points in college. So I'm like, I want to shoot. When I got to Atlanta, them nigga said, go to the corner. Nigga gives Joe Jamal rightfully, So that great score, phenomenal, But that is not.

What I wanted to do. It was like I don't take it on the court.

You like, all right, I'm gonna play defense and I'm gonna run to the corner. But like I used to like look at y'all and be like I want to do that. Like and but that you earned that ship.

You kill.

You did your ship like you had fifty Like niggas knew you was one of them, but I was. I used to be sitting there like the nigga fifty came.

I mean, I just think the whole situation came out of know it because remember I didn't play at all the year before in Rome, so I didn't I was just more on some like revenge and just like some dark like just hostile ship. Like I got the workout because I was like because I was so mad because first of all, I was getting killed every day. Jay billis you know ESPN. They was just like, you know, you know who this kid think he is going not skipping college, like you know, he he doesn't need an education. And it's like, well, I'm getting the best education overseas. I'm learning life, like you know what I'm saying, learning the value of life and like what it really you know what life really means. So I don't feel like I've missed anything out of college besides you know, women and partying. And it got it got great, it got great letter, you know. But yeah, now, but I mean, I'm gonn let DJ do his thing.

But I was gonna say about our workouts, like going into the draft, you was crazy, motherfucker. You was calling people out like you ain't care. So I say, everybody always get me slack for messing with Ricky Ruby on our podcast. I pushed him, I did some shit whatever, don't worry about that. I like Ricky, but you called him out and was like, Ricky ain't like that. And I remember being in that workout. Before the workout came, I got described the whole thing to everybody that you came in with the Louie book bag. I'm from the West Side, I knew, I knew nothing about Louis Vaton and you came walking in and you put the bag down, and I never forget Saidamn, you got that Louie.

Damn I supposed to know what that is. You know what I mean?

You like, yeah, said something like five hundred. I said, damn, got five hundred. I'm thinking five hundred dollars, nigson one hundred thousand. I'm like, got five unred thousand dollars before like shit, what the fuck is this nigga?

Like this nigga not a real person.

So you start talking going around like, bro, you better than Ricky, you better than Ricky, You better than Ricky.

I'm telling all your niggas is better than Ricky. And he pointed at me, damn better than staying in this dres. I was going back to school.

I saw the guy he was. I swore to God, you better than better. We did the workout, Tyrey Gavins had a good workout. Boom, go to another workout in Milwaukee's when I knew he was getting picked by the Bucks. He doing his pick and roll.

Shit.

I ain't never seen a picking roll in my life. I ain't do that in college. That I so, this nigga carving us up, making us look stupid. Me and Tyree gave we stopped guarding nigga. I looked at that gardon nigga, that nigga doing. But I knew he was getting picked by the Bucks. I knew you was different when you going overseas, having a chance to learn the game play like that, I.

Knew you was different. I was like, he gonna be good in this league. Yeah, I mean that that year in Europe was just me to mature and see what a pro is like, see see what it takes to be a pro. Right. So I was around Alan Ray Andre Hutson. I had a bunch of great you know guys that played you know in the league or was just from America. So you know, that was just a year of me, you know, just learning how to be an adult, how to be a pro, you know, show up on time and you know, do things the right way. So that year was just a year of learning. So that's why I always say, like when I'm done, when tough crowd blows up and I'm out of here, I'm moving back to Italy. Damn yeah. Like I'm moving back to Rome because that's where fashion. You know, that's where I learned about fashion and you know, just about myself in life. So you know, I would love to take my family and just live my rom when it's all same stuff. So I BJ appreciates you sliding on this man, shouts a tough ground, shouts at Gilzarena to check my boy out everywhere you see the swag, you see the show.

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