At one point, almost everyone we knew had a copy of 'White Ladder' - well, it's turning 20. We couldn't believe it either, so we got David Gray on for a chat, where he reflected on his musical influences... and making jam. 

<p>At one point, almost everyone we knew had a copy of 'White Ladder' - well, it's turning 20. We couldn't believe it either, so we got David Gray on for a chat, where he reflected on his musical influences... and making jam. </p>

Catch up on Lisa & Russell, and all their friends.

<p>Catch up on Lisa &amp; Russell, and all their friends.</p>

Lisa & Russell

David Gray

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