Beauty is not a luxury—it's a vital, transformative force that shapes souls, redeems culture, and unlocks the creative potential God has placed in us all. In this inspiring and intensely practical episode, Catherine welcomes Isaac and Emily Gay to “Christian Parent, Crazy World” for a discussion that is anything but superficial. Together, they tackle the overlooked virtue of beauty in the church and in the home—a topic with power to reach the lost and restore what has been tragically neglected in the Western church.

Isaac and Emily Gay share their hearts, talents, and hard-won wisdom from years of artistic leadership, ministry, and motherhood. With backgrounds in theater, worship, and church planting, they know firsthand the struggle of being artists in a culture—and a faith community—that too often sidelines creativity in favor of utilitarian metrics. Their mission? To help the modern church reclaim its historical role as a cultivator of beauty and creativity, both in its worship and its community life.

Key topics explored in this episode:
The Forgotten Virtue: Catherine and her guests outline how beauty once held a central place in the church, only to be pushed aside by industrial-age utilitarianism, soul-counting, and a focus on productivity at the expense of creativity.
Healing the Rift: Catherine dives into the history of how secularism, dualism, and fundamentalist thinking fractured the relationship between church and creative souls.
A Biblical Blueprint for Collaboration: Drawing from Exodus and the story of Bezalel and Oholiab—the first individuals filled with the Holy Spirit for the purpose of art—Emily and Isaac urge pastors and church leaders to actively commission and empower artists, forging genuine partnerships for the sake of the Gospel.
The Culture-Shaping Power of Art: Isaac shares a provocative example from pop culture—Lil Nas X’s infamous “satanic shoes”—to illustrate how the world hasn’t forgotten art’s power, but the church has. The consequences? Hollywood and secular creatives have filled the cultural void abandoned by faith communities.
Personal Stories and Honest Confessions: Catherine, Emily, and Isaac each open up about their individual struggles—feeling misunderstood, pressured to produce, and at times outright rejected by faith communities. Their honesty will resonate with parents, pastors, and anyone grappling with their creative calling.
Reimagining Success: The conversation challenges the prevailing idea that only overtly “productive” or evangelical art is worthwhile, calling for a holistic embrace of beauty as a means of forming souls, shaping culture, and expressing the fullness of the Imago Dei.

Have you ever wondered why the church has lost its cultural influence to Hollywood?Are you, or your children, gifted in the arts and unsure of how that fits in God’s kingdom? Are you a church leader looking to be a force for good in our culture? Emily and Isaac’s insights will encourage you to see artistic expression as a calling worthy of investment—and essential to the church’s mission in the world.

This episode is essential listening for parents, pastors, creatives, and anyone longing to see God redeem our culture through something as simple—and as sacred—as beauty.

Don’t miss this heartfelt and hope-filled conversation that just might change the way you see art, faith, parenthood, and the power of beauty to shape the world for good.

Guest Bios:

Isaac and Emily Gay are artists, worship leaders, and church planters in Buffalo, NY. With backgrounds in acting, worship, and the arts, they’ve helped lead church planting and prayer movements while building creative communities both locally and online. Parents of three boys, they are passionate about the power of beauty, creativity, and play—at home, in the church, and in culture.

Episode Resources:

Isaac’s Website & Instagram

The Parallel Society

The Prodigal by Isaac Gay

For resources, free guides for parents, and more on nurturing creativity in your kids, visit catherine@catherinesegars.com.

Stay curious. Stay creative. Let’s raise a new generation of culture-makers—one story, painting, song, or act of love at a time.

Beauty is not a luxury&mdash;it's a vital, transformative force that shapes souls, redeems culture, and unlocks the creative potential God has placed in us all. In this inspiring and intensely practical episode, Catherine welcomes Isaac and Emily Gay to &ldquo;Christian Parent, Crazy World&rdquo; for a discussion that is anything but superficial. Together, they tackle the overlooked virtue of beauty in the church and in the home&mdash;a topic with power to reach the lost and restore what has been tragically neglected in the Western church.
Isaac and Emily Gay share their hearts, talents, and hard-won wisdom from years of artistic leadership, ministry, and motherhood. With backgrounds in theater, worship, and church planting, they know firsthand the struggle of being artists in a culture&mdash;and a faith community&mdash;that too often sidelines creativity in favor of utilitarian metrics. Their mission? To help the modern church reclaim its historical role as a cultivator of beauty and creativity, both in its worship and its community life.
Key topics explored in this episode:
<ul>
<li>The Forgotten Virtue: Catherine and her guests outline how beauty once held a central place in the church, only to be pushed aside by industrial-age utilitarianism, soul-counting, and a focus on productivity at the expense of creativity.</li>
<li>Healing the Rift: Catherine dives into the history of how secularism, dualism, and fundamentalist thinking fractured the relationship between church and creative souls.</li>
<li>A Biblical Blueprint for Collaboration: Drawing from Exodus and the story of Bezalel and Oholiab&mdash;the first individuals filled with the Holy Spirit for the purpose of art&mdash;Emily and Isaac urge pastors and church leaders to actively commission and empower artists, forging genuine partnerships for the sake of the Gospel.</li>
<li>The Culture-Shaping Power of Art: Isaac shares a provocative example from pop culture&mdash;Lil Nas X&rsquo;s infamous &ldquo;satanic shoes&rdquo;&mdash;to illustrate how the world hasn&rsquo;t forgotten art&rsquo;s power, but the church has. The consequences? Hollywood and secular creatives have filled the cultural void abandoned by faith communities.</li>
<li>Personal Stories and Honest Confessions: Catherine, Emily, and Isaac each open up about their individual struggles&mdash;feeling misunderstood, pressured to produce, and at times outright rejected by faith communities. Their honesty will resonate with parents, pastors, and anyone grappling with their creative calling.</li>
<li>Reimagining Success: The conversation challenges the prevailing idea that only overtly &ldquo;productive&rdquo; or evangelical art is worthwhile, calling for a holistic embrace of beauty as a means of forming souls, shaping culture, and expressing the fullness of the Imago Dei.</li>
</ul>
Have you ever wondered why the church has lost its cultural influence to Hollywood? Are you, or your children, gifted in the arts and unsure of how that fits in God&rsquo;s kingdom? Are you a church leader looking to be a force for good in our culture? Emily and Isaac&rsquo;s insights will encourage you to see artistic expression as a calling worthy of investment&mdash;and essential to the church&rsquo;s mission in the world.
This episode is essential listening for parents, pastors, creatives, and anyone longing to see God redeem our culture through something as simple&mdash;and as sacred&mdash;as beauty.
Don&rsquo;t miss this heartfelt and hope-filled conversation that just might change the way you see art, faith, parenthood, and the power of beauty to shape the world for good.
Guest Bios:
Isaac and Emily Gay are artists, worship leaders, and church planters in Buffalo, NY. With backgrounds in acting, worship, and the arts, they&rsquo;ve helped lead church planting and prayer movements while building creative communities both locally and online. Parents of three boys, they are passionate about the power of beauty, creativity, and play&mdash;at home, in the church, and in culture.
Episode Resources:
Isaac&rsquo;s <a href="https://www.isaacandemilygay.com/">Website</a> &amp; <a href="https://www.instagram.com/imisaacgay/?hl=en">Instagram</a>
<a href="https://www.isaacandemilygay.com/parallelsociety">The Parallel Society</a>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q98Xk4gNPI4">The Prodigal</a> by Isaac Gay
For resources, free guides for parents, and more on nurturing creativity in your kids, visit <a href="mailto:catherine@catherinesegars.com">catherine@catherinesegars.com</a>.
Stay curious. Stay creative. Let&rsquo;s raise a new generation of culture-makers&mdash;one story, painting, song, or act of love at a time.

The Christian Parent, Crazy World podcast with Catherine Segars equips moms and dads to be godly parents in a world that often opposes their faith. As a passionate apologist and seasoned communicator, Catherine unpacks the tough cultural issues facing families today, offering insightful, biblically grounded guidance. Each episode helps parents understand the challenges of our times and respond with wisdom, confidence, and grace.

Topics covered on this podcast include:
What to Do If Your Child Walks Away from the Faith
Can Our Words Change the Future?
Why Are So Many Kids Falling Away from The Faith?
13 Ways To Be a Better Parent This Year
5 Things Every Parent Needs to Know About Gen Z
What Critical Foundation Do Many Parents Miss When Discipling Their Kids?
How To Teach Your Kids the Christian Worldview 
Hope and Strategy for Parents of Prodigal Children

Want to read some of Catherine's most popular Christian parenting articles? Check them out here: https://www.crosswalk.com/author/catherine-segars/

The Christian Parent, Crazy World&nbsp;podcast with Catherine Segars equips moms and dads to be godly parents in a world that often opposes their faith. As a passionate apologist and seasoned communicator, Catherine unpacks the tough cultural issues facing families today, offering insightful, biblically grounded guidance. Each episode helps parents understand the challenges of our times and respond with wisdom, confidence, and grace.
Topics covered on this podcast include:
<ul>
<li>What to Do If Your Child Walks Away from the Faith</li>
<li>Can Our Words Change the Future?</li>
<li>Why Are So Many Kids Falling Away from The Faith?</li>
<li>13 Ways To Be a Better Parent This Year</li>
<li>5 Things Every Parent Needs to Know About Gen Z</li>
<li>What Critical Foundation Do Many Parents Miss When Discipling Their Kids?</li>
<li>How To Teach Your Kids the Christian Worldview&nbsp;</li>
<li>Hope and Strategy for Parents of Prodigal Children</li>
</ul>
Want to read some of Catherine's most popular Christian parenting articles? Check them out here: https://www.crosswalk.com/author/catherine-segars/

Christian Parent, Crazy World is a podcast dedicated to helping you be a godly parent in an ungodly world.