Richard Chew is joined by Leaving MAGA's Rich Logis and Sandra Hafraoui. 

Here are a few highlights from the conversation:
- Logis said election results and messages from former MAGA supporters suggest growing doubts about the movement; he described Leaving MAGA as a bridge for people seeking to leave.
- He said the Republican Party faces a reckoning: How can it disentangle itself from MAGA?
- Hafraoui described growing up in a sheltered, Republican household and later questioning her support for Trump, including conflicts with her Christian faith and concerns about unfulfilled promises.
- She said her husband was detained by ICE after a prior attorney’s fraud made his immigration case complicated. She described harsh detention conditions and told WCPT that her husband "went through a lot of brutal things in detention."

"They tried to force him on a flight illegally to go back to his country," she said. "They tried to force him on a commercial flight, and he refused to get on the flight. [He said,] 'No, I have a case; I have a life; I've lived here for 38 years; I'm not getting on that flight.' And so they brought him back to the detention center, and they put him in solitary confinement, as a punishment, for 10 days, where they turned down the the temperature, so he was freezing. They wouldn't give him a blanket. They wouldn't give him anything to stay warm, and he was shivering so much that he got a pinched nerve in his neck. And then they were not really feeding him. He was telling me he's hungry all the time. They would miss meals or just give them something so little or so disgusting that no human being would want to eat these things.

"And then they woke him up in the middle of the night and they transferred him to Louisiana, and they took him to a detention center and they held him there for a week with no shower, no clean clothes, barely fed him, and they just kept telling him that they were processing him . . . and he sat in his same clothes for a week. And everybody was sick there, and he was getting he got sick himself when he was in Louisiana, very sick. They wouldn't give him any medication. They did not care about anything he was going through, and then they took him to Alexandria [Louisiana], which is a deportation hub, and it is considered the, quote, place where immigrants go and disappear, and that's exactly what happened when they transferred him there: He disappeared for a week, and I didn't know where he was. I was about to ready to lose my mind because I didn't know where he was. I don't know if they deported him. I don't know what they were doing to him. And I got the senators and our state representatives involved to try to find out where he was."

- Hafraoui said The Marshall Project reported on the experience.

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Richard Chew is joined by <a href="https://leavingmaga.org">Leaving MAGA</a>'s <a href="https://leavingmaga.org/our-team/our-founder/">Rich Logis</a> and <a href="https://leavingmaga.org/leaving-maga/sandra-hafraoui/">Sandra Hafraoui</a>.&nbsp;
Here are a few highlights from the conversation: - Logis said election results and messages from former MAGA supporters suggest growing doubts about the movement; he described Leaving MAGA as a bridge for people seeking to leave. - He said the Republican Party faces a reckoning: How can it disentangle itself from MAGA? - Hafraoui described growing up in a sheltered, Republican household and later questioning her support for Trump, including conflicts with her Christian faith and concerns about unfulfilled promises. - She said her husband was detained by ICE after a prior attorney&rsquo;s fraud made his immigration case complicated. She described harsh detention conditions and told WCPT that her husband "went through a lot of brutal things in detention."
"They tried to force him on a flight illegally to go back to his country," she said. "They tried to force him on a commercial flight, and he refused to get on the flight. [He said,] 'No, I have a case; I have a life; I've lived here for 38 years; I'm not getting on that flight.' And so they brought him back to the detention center, and they put him in solitary confinement, as a punishment, for 10 days, where they turned down the the temperature, so he was freezing. They wouldn't give him a blanket. They wouldn't give him anything to stay warm, and he was shivering so much that he got a pinched nerve in his neck. And then they were not really feeding him. He was telling me he's hungry all the time. They would miss meals or just give them something so little or so disgusting that no human being would want to eat these things.
"And then they woke him up in the middle of the night and they transferred him to Louisiana, and they took him to a detention center and they held him there for a week with no shower, no clean clothes, barely fed him, and they just kept telling him that they were processing him . . . and he sat in his same clothes for a week. And everybody was sick there, and he was getting he got sick himself when he was in Louisiana, very sick. They wouldn't give him any medication. They did not care about anything he was going through, and then they took him to Alexandria [Louisiana], which is a deportation hub, and it is considered the, quote, place where immigrants go and disappear, and that's exactly what happened when they transferred him there: He disappeared for a week, and I didn't know where he was. I was about to ready to lose my mind because I didn't know where he was. I don't know if they deported him. I don't know what they were doing to him. And I got the senators and our state representatives involved to try to find out where he was."
- Hafraoui said <a href="https://www.themarshallproject.org/2026/06/03/delaney-hall-immigrant-detention-photo-essay">The Marshall Project</a> reported on the experience.
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From Heartland Signal and WCPT AM 820 in Chicago, here are full episodes of “Chew's Views” (weekdays from 6:00 to 8:00 a.m. Central), a pragmatic radio show that focuses on moving our political, social, economic, gender and cultural conversation forward and creating a roadmap for progressives to be more involved in their political and social destinies. With "Chew's Views" the emphasis is on positive talk and solutions – but don’t get it twisted; we may bring some smashmouth dialogue to the program just to make sure you’re awake, not just “woke.”  


Richard Chew has been a part of the WCPT family since 2017, initially as part of "The Family Meeting" and as a regular contributor to "Joan Esposito: Live, Local and Progressive."  He became WCPT's morning host in early 2024. 

A 25-plus-year wealth management and insurance veteran, Richard is well-versed in all areas of financial planning, wealth management and insurance plans designed to help clients with their financial future. Richard’s primary goal is to help consumers assess what their needs are and find the right plans and programs to protect their wealth.

Richard was born and raised in Chicago and Southwestern Michigan and is a graduate of Pepperdine University; he later pursued a master’s degree from Keller Graduate School. He is proud of the fact that he has visited all 50 of the great states of the United States of America and keeps his passport current to make sure traveling the world is always a “ready to go” item. He and his wife, Anne, love the city and suburbs of Chicago and all their greatness.  

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 Richard Chew has been a part of the WCPT family since 2017, initially as part of "<a href="https://heartlandsignal.com/programs/the-family-meeting/">The Family Meeting</a>" and as a regular contributor to "<a href="https://heartlandsignal.com/programs/live-local-progressive/">Joan Esposito: Live, Local and Progressive</a>." &nbsp;He became WCPT's morning host in early 2024.&nbsp;
A 25-plus-year wealth management and insurance veteran, Richard is well-versed in all areas of financial planning, wealth management and insurance plans designed to help clients with their financial future. Richard&rsquo;s primary goal is to help consumers assess what their needs are and find the right plans and programs to protect their wealth.
Richard was born and raised in Chicago and Southwestern Michigan and is a graduate of Pepperdine University; he later pursued a master&rsquo;s degree from Keller Graduate School. He is proud of the fact that he has visited all 50 of the great states of the United States of America and keeps his passport current to make sure traveling the world is always a &ldquo;ready to go&rdquo; item. He and his wife, Anne, love the city and suburbs of Chicago and all their greatness. &nbsp;

Chew's Views with Richard Chew (Full Episodes)

From Heartland Signal and WCPT AM 820 in Chicago, “Chew's Views” (weekdays from 6:00 to 8:00 a.m. Central) is a pragmatic radio show that focuses on moving our political, social, economic, gender and cultural conversation forward and creating a roadmap for progressives to be more involved in their political and social destinies. With "Chew's Views" the emphasis is on positive talk and solutions – but don’t get it twisted; we may bring some smashmouth dialogue to the program just to make sure you’re awake, not just “woke.”  

Richard Chew has been a part of the WCPT family since 2017, initially as part of "The Family Meeting" and as a regular contributor to "Joan Esposito: Live, Local and Progressive." He became WCPT's morning host in early 2024.

Richard also regularly shares his views on other podcasts and radio shows, including recent appearances on Amy McGrath's "Truth in a Barrel," "The John Fugelsang Podcast," "Endless Urgency" with Mike Nellis, and "The Politics Bar."

A 25-plus-year wealth management and insurance veteran, Richard is well-versed in all areas of financial planning, wealth management and insurance plans designed to help clients with their financial future.

Richard was born and raised in Chicago and Southwestern Michigan and is a graduate of Pepperdine University; he later pursued a master’s degree from Keller Graduate School. He is proud of the fact that he has visited all 50 of the great states of the United States of America and keeps his passport current to make sure traveling the world is always a “ready to go” item. He and his wife, Anne, love the city and suburbs of Chicago and all their greatness.  

From Heartland Signal and <a href="https://heartlandsignal.com/wcpt820/">WCPT AM 820</a> in Chicago, &ldquo;<a href="https://heartlandsignal.com/programs/chewviews-with-richard-chew/">Chew's Views</a>&rdquo; (weekdays from 6:00 to 8:00 a.m. Central) is a pragmatic radio show that focuses on moving our political, social, economic, gender and cultural conversation forward and creating a roadmap for progressives to be more involved in their political and social destinies. With "Chew's Views" the emphasis is on positive talk and solutions &ndash; but don&rsquo;t get it twisted; we may bring some smashmouth dialogue to the program just to make sure you&rsquo;re awake, not just &ldquo;woke.&rdquo;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Richard Chew has been a part of the WCPT family since 2017, initially as part of "<a href="https://heartlandsignal.com/programs/the-family-meeting/">The Family Meeting</a>" and as a regular contributor to "<a href="https://heartlandsignal.com/programs/live-local-progressive/">Joan Esposito: Live, Local and Progressive</a>." He became WCPT's morning host in early 2024.
Richard also regularly shares his views on other podcasts and radio shows, including recent appearances on Amy McGrath's "<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWK_o2PSptQ">Truth in a Barrel</a>," "<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weekend-interviews-simon-and-julie-richard-chew/id1464094232?i=1000685443232">The John Fugelsang Podcast</a>," "<a href="https://endlessurgency.com/p/pardoning-ghislaine-maxwell-trump">Endless Urgency</a>" with Mike Nellis, and "<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/is/podcast/community-vs-cankles-july-22-2025/id886656768?i=1000718522141">The Politics Bar</a>."
A 25-plus-year wealth management and insurance veteran, Richard is well-versed in all areas of financial planning, wealth management and insurance plans designed to help clients with their financial future.
Richard was born and raised in Chicago and Southwestern Michigan and is a graduate of Pepperdine University; he later pursued a master&rsquo;s degree from Keller Graduate School. He is proud of the fact that he has visited all 50 of the great states of the United States of America and keeps his passport current to make sure traveling the world is always a &ldquo;ready to go&rdquo; item. He and his wife, Anne, love the city and suburbs of Chicago and all their greatness. &nbsp;