This week on Talking Finance, Alan Kohler is joined by President of the Asia Society Policy Institute and 26th Prime Minister of Australia, The Honourable Kevin Rudd AC, to explore the deteriorating relationship between Australia and China, and Scott Morrison's management of the COVID-19 crisis, while Chief Economist and Head of Global Economic & Markets Research at Commonwealth Bank of Australia, Stephen Halmarick, discusses why the next two quarters should be considered a recession regardless of whether they meet the technical definition. Host of Q&A on ABC TV and Radio National Breakfast, Hamish MacDonald, looks at whether the new age of political cooperation will last in the long term and Chief Investment Officer at Burman Invest, Julia Lee, shares her thoughts on the market's optimism and why investors are pricing everything to go right.