7th Heaven REWATCH: "Family Secrets"

Published Oct 7, 2024, 7:01 AM

Mack, Bev and David dive back in the world of the Camden family with a rewatch of 7th Heaven, Season 1, Episode 2: "Family Secrets."  Join the trio as they reminisce about making this episode, share personal anecdotes that parallel some moments from the episode and reveal who would always leave their gum somewhere hidden in the Camdens' kitchen set.

 

 

 

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All right, we're back. It feels good to be back, except for you know, the thing that I don't miss is La traffic.

Yeah, it's definitely there. I get so annoyed you No, I have to drive now, I'm like twenty five minutes, twenty five miles and twenty five minutes and I'm like, wait a minute.

I know, but like in La, if you're going like five miles, it will take an hour.

I don't know. See why more people don't walk in La.

I'm giving you, guys a little violin. It was like traffic.

Why doesn't that make people like just start walking places? Like if you walk from San Santa Clarita to sant to hear.

La is the least walkable city and it's not made for walking. It's made to sit in traffic. So just to teach you a lesson, okay.

The lesson of your wasted life, the hours of time wasted in traffic, I.

Do have to great time to pop on a podcast. Welcome back, everybody to catching up with the Camdens. I'm David Gallagher, Beverly.

Mitchell, and I'm McKenzie Rosman.

That was good. That was honestly, that was great.

The last time I'm doing the intro.

That was great. And by the way, you can find us on iHeartRadio and where you can find all your podcasts and make sure you subscribe and listen and push all the buttons and say yes and likes and leave all the comments.

What she said, right, Yeah.

Did I just like knock it all out? Like do we hit everything?

That was every engagement on the internet. Okay cover.

Oh I didn't say YouTube, but I said push the buttons and like all that supscride on down there, all those buttons. If you hate this, don't push any button whatever.

Hate it, do it. I don't care.

But I actually just don't say it at all, but.

Leave nice comments because we like to read them because they are kind of fun.

Yeah.

I do love. I do love that I do in the comments. So you guys, I think we're we are sensitive souls, that is for sure. Yeah, and we've got our podcast, Mike, so we're like official, like we're really doing this, like this is no longer a backyard project.

It isn't.

Well, I mean I think we look more official maybe I mean or sound because it's a podcast.

They'll let us know in the comments.

Yeah, the hard part for me though, is like, you know, obviously, because we're all very visual, is you know, the component of making sure that people can still see us, because.

I mean it's my preferred I'd rather watch it than just listen. Yeah, kind of with all the content that I consume personally, I prefer visual media.

So I mean I get it, you know, yeah.

But if you're sitting in traffic, it's a perfect time to listen.

But if you're sitting in that LA traffic, which yes, we're here to talk over each other, so you can't really hear what's going on.

I listened to podcasts when I'm lucking stalls. Actually, when i'm doing like smelling manure filled manual labor. That's when I turned an audiobook.

When you're doing your only farms, only.

Farms, yeah, or driving to a farm to go to more only Yeah.

Sure, I think this is going to be a thing.

Yeah, I'm determined to make it a thing.

Make anything mad Well, speaking of which brand, I don't really know how to segue from only Farms, But should we go to episode two, seventh Heaven, which I believe the title is Family.

Secrets, you know that's the title.

I do actually know that I was just trying to know she was acting. But thanks for calling me out. So should we dive in?

Are we?

Are we ready?

We did? We already killed the intro, so yeah, so we killed it, so I mean I think we're ready to dive deep.

Let's do it.

So family Secrets. Obviously the title says it all. But what does it start with? Hold on, I have to say something. David re watched this episode because we just did it.

That's right. Yeah, it's amazing what happens when we hang out and do stuff. Things happen.

So we rewatched together and we tried not.

To talk special. It was special, which is why we should do that.

We bought it, got it?

Sorry, Jared, our homework, David.

That's true. Okay, so let's talk about how it starts because I already forgot.

Pregnant? Oh yeah, that's right. Do we did? We because we we watched the pilot.

You didn't, but we did.

We did, We did, all of us. Did we find out Happy was pregnant the pilot?

No? Yes, yes, yes, yes, Happy's pregnant.

Yeah, Matt informed you that Happy was pregnant.

And she goes straight to being a bad dog and starts eating shoes.

She had pregnancy craving, Yes, pregnancy.

She really craved loafers and drivers.

Only Eric's.

Honestly, I was in the socks when I was pregnant.

But some chic nineties style runners.

Yeah, but only Eric's shoes. The only shoes she ever touched were so maybe his. Yeah, they were only Eric. I don't know really where to go with that. Or I didn't have cravings.

I had like a version pregnancy cravings.

Being I'm not pregnant, let's say that, okay, But no, when I was pregnant, I did not like the smell of meat with when I was pregnant with Kenzie, I would want to punch someone if I smelled chicken really like, I got like angry, like where I would like cush someone out for having chicken anywhere near me. Like I was like violent, You're normally violent, you know, don't put that out there. I am not, Like for the record, I am a very gentle soul, Like I like, my bark is much bigger than my bite? Uh? Is that right?

Is how you say that?

That's it's said kidding? I agree, I didn't. I was really excited, like because I was such a food obsessed person my entire life that I couldn't wait to find out what eventually the pregnancy cravings would be. And it was really nothing. I wasn't like, ah, I need ice cream with pickles on it or anything like that, but I did. Before I realized I was pregnant. I was consuming a lot of like mixed greens with Annie's Goddess dressing. I couldn't get enough of the stuff. I would just guzzle it. And a sponsor, Yeah, I love god At dress and the Trader Joe's one is almost as good. But and then I had an aversion to the smell of coffee, so that had to be moved down into the basement. Is it the basement, Yeah, because I could smell it wafting up from the kitchen. It was just it's about it.

So did he have to go down into the basement to drink his coffee?

He made it down there, bring it up. He put so much like sweetener and French vanilla that by the time it was in a cup and being drunk, it didn't smell like coffee anymore.

Okay, So when we had Lily, Shauna's cravings, from what I remember, was mostly Italian food, and Cuban food. So it was a lot of a lot of Pasta's a lot of stews.

Cuban Food's very has a lot of stews comfort food.

All right, well, let's dive back in because this is an ongoing theme throughout this episode of Happy eating Shoes.

Yeah, well it's it is my lemma.

So each episode, everyone's got a problem they're trying to solve, and I'm trying to figure out how to break to mom and dad the fact that both Happy is pregnant and also eating dad's shoes.

Yeah, so that's that's Simon news. That's Simon's secret. Simon's secret is that And then then we move on to the grandparents have a secret because Grandma is sick and they're leaving, not without doing what grandparents do, which is give they spoil the kids, rotten.

Spoiling the kids.

We all get Little Lucy gets sassy mags.

Yeah, sassy exactly what the doctor ordered?

Sassy magazine or something.

Yeah, sassy magazine, which seems quite fitting. Yes, perfect, it's perfect. What did Simon get?

I remember? We just.

It was moonros moon rocks?

What are moon rocks?

I tried to do a deep dive onto moon rocks.

They were an old toy made from chemicals, and I could only find the images, but they wouldn't list like what it was made from or anything like.

That, because it was made from asbestos.

Made from lead.

Okay, well, all right, so what happens next, Jared, there's a problem with one phone line? Oh yes, yeah, I mean it was.

It was such a nice essential nineties problem. Yes, the one house phone.

Line is you know.

Privileged enough to live in a house with phones all over the house that were all connected to the same line.

Yeah, because it was one line for that was an this was an ongoing issue. We were going to address this for many episodes to come. And also I just have to say that Lucy's Lucy and Mary's phone was the phone of the nineties, Which was that clear that all that like, it was like the like you had made it.

It's one of the things that I distinctly remember when we were watching the episode.

I was like, I remember that phone. I remember it being on set, Like, yeah, it was an iconic I had.

I personally had that phone at home as well. It was like the coolest phone. And I just remember, like, our kids have no idea like the dial tone and like pushing the like they like.

It was so no idea to hold like I don't know why if after cell phones came out, we still had a houseman for a while and we had a corded one, and I just thought it was a lot more comfortable to hold to your cheek for a long period of time.

Well in playing with your card, remember like you play with the cord, Yeah, it tossed it and then like call waiting because we also the Camdens did not have call waiting, so that was a big thing. So all of us, the Camden kids were waiting for that phone line and well not you guys.

You know how many dates Lucy might have missed out on because of the lack of fall waiting. Probably that's a lot, It's a lot.

Yeah, But she was only waiting for that one call from Jimmy.

Moon and busy opportunities that Simon.

Simon, he caught every phone call that came in for him, for sure.

That's true. Okay, So we discover that Ruthie is keeping the secret.

Of Happies Puppies, Happy's Puppies because she does just my secret.

Actually, no, you know what you had all the secrets.

Yeah, it was generally the secret keeper or not keep it, depending on where your stock lie with me. True.

Yeah, but like yous was you knew.

Your secret adjacent to everybody else's secret.

Yeah. True.

It was like it's the game of Friends, the seller of secrets. I traded secrets.

Yeah.

You.

Oh, that's when Matt says he has to go to the library and borrow the car and dun, dun, dun. He doesn't come home.

And he's sixteen.

How dare he? I mean, actually, if my kids were out all night at sixteen, I would well, that wouldn't happen.

Yeah, No, I would have been in trouble.

There's no way. Actually I do. Actually, in my real life mind, I think my mom. I would go spend the night at a friend's house and my mom one time try to put a curfew on me, and I was like, nah, I'm just gonna go to my friend's house and they don't have a curfew, and she's like, that's not the way this works. I'm like, yeah, that's the way it's gonna work. Now. I was terrible. But I also at that time, like had a full time job, so.

So I was like, really, listen, mom.

I know, I think we definitely had to fight over them. Looking back, I really that fly with my kids, but you know, my parents.

Were always cool. But also, like, what's funny in.

The episode is that, like I guess it's about keeping secrets, and so you know, Matt's keeping the secret for his friend, and he's keeping his library trips a secret, and all these secrets that I don't really relate to because I would.

Always just tell my parents what was up.

Yeah, Like I would just be like, I want to go here, I want to hang out with these people.

This is how long it's going to be. It's probably gonna go late. You know.

I just tell my parents what I was doing and they were like, okay, but yeah.

I don't know. It just it seemed to work for me. My parents are cool.

Though, Yeah, your parents are cool. Yeah. Well, Matt kept a secret and he was out and he got in big trouble because we find out later but not yet why he's keeping new secret.

So Simon is being extorted by Matt to do house chores because of to keep my secret.

Right, because he gave you sound advice, which.

Was which was to wait until they have good news to give them bad news, to not put bad news on top of bad news, which is actually quality advice.

It is quality from a brother.

It is like when you're.

Dealing with your parents you don't want to, you don't and he says, they'll take out how mad they are at me on you, which is exactly right. So so good advice there.

Yeah. I think that's like check one for good advice from Matt.

Yeah, older brother, solid yeah, solid, okay.

And then Lucy has a crush. This is you know, this is these are big moments for Lucy. She has a crush on a guy named Jimmy Moon.

Oh, Jimmy Moon.

Jimmy Moon.

When when we did the when we first got together for the podcast, you guys brought up Jimmy Moon. It really did like strike like lightning in the back of my mind, like that.

Just came right up the most very memorable, very memorable.

I mean, first of all, that's a killer name. It's a great character.

I just love like the first the scene with Jimmy Moon's look back at you and at the high.

School, the classic over the shoulder, and.

Then like the that like little smile, like meekish.

And I was telling when when we rewatched the episode together. I was TELLINGV how in my recollection of this time, I remember Bev and Jess and Jimmy Moon and the and our guest stars that were all of their friends being so big and so old and like, and we're rewatching the episode and I'm like.

Little babies, Like, everybody's this little baby. It's so cute.

But it is funny to me, and it's and it's it's striking to me, just the difference in perception from obviously when I was, you know, eleven or twelve, to like, you know, now looking back at it as an adult.

Definitely. I mean I have the same same thing, and I think you can almost watch yourself with the it's it's hard. We've kind of usually agreed that it's been difficult for us to watch ourselves due to like just mortification things. But I think you can do it with a bit more grace now that you see, like, oh I was just a little baby. It's it's a lot easier to stomach. Yeah, yeah, but it is I think sympathetic.

But also get it together, younger, right, do better.

There's definitely some scenes I'm like, oh, well that one hurt, but you know, they're in those moments, they're sweet.

Yeah, your your emotional scene is solid, by the way, Oh god, I'm only saying it because when we rewatched it, you were disappointed in yourself and it wasn't fair.

You did a good job. It was solid.

Thank you. I'm still like a cringe, but.

Plenty of a lot act his opinion. I appreciate. Oh, I appreciate.

You don't have to respect my opinion.

I say, you have to take the problement or you're insulting.

Yeah, I appreciate it. I accept Thank you. The next scene is when Matt is in trouble, and it's kind of that I do actually remember this scene with the roundabout with with Jesse as we're trying to investigate and we have all of these thoughts and ideas of like your guys' brainstorming, brainstorming of like what he did, and it's.

Weirder later in the episode when you do it again.

Yeah, I mean I Lucy basketball Yeah wait wait, wait, wait, one step.

At a time, like having really.

Funny having Lucy, like have all these like extreme ideas of like what he could have done, like stay out all night, kissing the girl all night, like but I just remember that was always such a fun like those scenes were so fun just going back and forth with Jess. I always enjoyed those scenes.

Yeah, those scenes are very cute. Yeah they are.

And when when Matt's getting uh, when he's in trouble in the kitchen and we're all kind of doing that quintessential like heads around the corner on the staircase thing. I do have my one moment in the episode that actually, well there's two, but the first moment of the episode for me that made me smile when I saw it where I said like, oh, if you need anything, just let me know.

And then I'm.

Like like slowly back my head back around the corner, and I was like, it's funny.

I also, do you remember like having to stack to have the heads like just like like how we had to creatively like be on top because there was, like we've said before on the podcast, there is no space back there and we're literally like on top of each other, like standing back staircase.

Right, So when you're when you're looking at the kitchen and the scenes, you see the stairs go up and they go around the corner and then what is like there's the under the stairs like closet or whatever that's next to the stairs. But that door, like if you opened it, you would just see the platform that goes around the corner where we all just stand there.

So we'd run around the corner and then stop.

And it was this tiny little like maybe you know three x three space up there that we would all squish into and wait for the rest of the scene.

Along with the Catherine's gum space.

Yeah, with Cain's gum you could fall off. Yeah, yeah, I didn't stop.

Yeah, there was like a like a drop.

I love blasting up that stairs as fast as I could and then slamming them.

Oh, I think we definitely did anyone fall off? Yes, I think we have. Okay, but let's stay focused and we're gonna move on.

Get back to the episode we could see. Ye.

Annie was the boss man. I mean she could build anything, fix anything, and she was the keeper of all things, which I have to say as a mom, I am the keeper of all things, so like you can ask me where something is and I know where it is underneath something around the corner or whatever. So I appreciate that quality and Annie so much now being a mom.

Organized chaos.

Yeah, like and by the way, like, I'm sure I'll get a call asking for where's some soccer equipment. I'll be like, it's in the laundry basket that's right next to the bed, next to the autumn and underneath the third layer of clothing on the left hand side.

And do you helm house cleans? Like when you guys clean your house? Do you do do you do like family house cleans and stuff? On like a Sunday or anything like that.

I attempt to get everyone to help clean, usually, especially with Masil, that is unsuccessful because Maizie's idea of helping is trying on thirty six princess costumes.

Ophilia loves to sweep. I sweep, sweep sleep and she hands me a broom sweep and like the vacuum was clogged because I have two really large hairy dogs like earlier this week, and so like it takes forty eight hours for there to be just like fluff all over the rug. And she's like, she's a brilliant idea, Like I can't the vacuum it's not working. She's like, we sweep it. She's sweeping the rug and it worked.

It's it's this, by the way, is a parenting like hack. If you want your kid to help you clean, let them vacuum. Give them the vacuum. It's the fun job. Or the broom, yeah, or the mop, like those jobs are. Lily loves like I like you. She will do the whole living room.

She loves throwing, like unfolding laundry. You folded, yeah, and well kids love that, like I did. Let her like throw all the dirty clothes like down the stairs, you know, to go make their way to the launch. She thought that was great, and then she wanted to throw all the clean clothes down the stairs.

And that's the problem that.

I want that The reason why I was asking is because but what I find is that if you're the one in your house that cleans, you're the one who knows where everything true.

That's true.

So like that's that's what makes you the one who kind of is the keeper of things. Because in my house, I'm kind of the keeper of things. But I'm also like I grew up with my family on Sundays, my whole family would have to help clean the house, and we'd all clean on Sundays.

So like that was a thing my family grew up.

I grew up doing anyway, is that the schedule of your current household?

No, it's my My OCD is too constant for that.

So I just cleaned as needed all the time and circling back.

So in the next scene, we have the nurse hitting on Eric and she doesn't believe that he's actually a minister or that he's married, or that he's married because he's not wearing his ring. And also he hats shoes. And Jeff likes Mary, we find out.

Because she talks about sports.

Yeah, she's a sporty chick and he.

Likes that, which Matt has a problem with because Matt knows that Mary wants to kiss someone.

Yeah, Matt doesn't want you to be a victim of Mary.

Kid.

The thing that doesn't track I remember where they lost me was when he rejects her ever so nicely. But then she finds out that he needs help with his shoes, and she's like, oh, I got you.

She wants to take it happy likes his shoes.

I know, it's kind of hard the nurse likes his shoes.

Well, what was mom?

Oh?

Because they were his fancy shoes and they weren't stretched out that okay, that makes sense. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe she likes his shoes, I don't know. Okay, what happens next?

Then she shows up to church at the end.

Okay, you're spoiling it.

Ruthy putting Simon on blast about the puppies.

Oh that's the next scene is in the kitchen when Simon is trying to get you to go outside and help because Annie noticed that Happy is getting a little round. Well, I was just gonna say round. And then Ruthie says, can I help you with the surprise? Isn't that? Oh?

Yeah, yes, yes, you almost spilled the beans on me.

I did.

So. Yeah.

People have noticed that Ruthine McKenzie have similarities.

Started really soon started episode one.

After that, Annie answers the phone, and because of that one line problem the nurse, she ends up catching Matt's friend calling the house for him, and then convinces her to come over for dinner so that we can get to the bottom of what Matt's doing with his friend.

Everyone loves a pot roast.

Everyone loves a pot roast. Back then I still.

Not me And then we have the big surprise and the big reveal of who Matt's friend is. Renee and honestly Hm with child, with child, and everyone is shocked.

Yeah, she's got Simon has a family secret.

Simon gets right into it and gets down to business and has a whole lot of questions as Simon, would you know.

Simon, Simon, I'm just drilling her joy in my food.

Wait, wait, hold on, this is so good, This is so good. But we got to take a break, Okay, and we'll be right back.

You know, you're reminding me of oh god, to see that Curby Enthusiasm episode where he's going on about the middle seed at the dinner table. Have you seen that one anyone?

But you have seen a bunch of curve now.

The middle seed at the table, Like it takes a special person to be able to set the middle of the dinner table because you have to have this like spearheading energy, very much, Simon, that conversation, Yeah, to pivot is that the word he uses, right, Yeah.

Pivoting, pivot. Let's pivot right back into this episode. So hey guys, we're back, and we were just talking about the big reveal with when we realized why Matt was out late at night because he was over at his friend Renee's house and he fell asleep, and Renee.

Is doesn't look good for Matt.

Well, I wasn't. Renee is pregnant, yes, and she is young, and Simon uh is the only who is not shy about this whole experienced Simon has so many questions.

Yes, I'm perfectly fine with with drilling into Matt's dilemma while while still spurting mine.

I would say that you were just very inquisitive. You just wanted to understand, like how many children did she want to have, and like what what her life would look like.

Yeah, I guess it is. It is. It is an innocent.

Interest, and I think that really shows later in the later scene that I have with with Matt, more so than I think in the in the dinner scene, it could come across that I'm that I'm just digging his grave for him.

I mean, that's what siblings do, is what from what I understand.

But then later on in the episode we have to talk about it, and you see that it's more innocent.

Right. So the next scene is where Lucy and Mary have the basketballs and we're trying to.

And you're doing that thing that they do to guys where they put him in the pregnancy suit so they could see to see understanding.

But you know what I found interesting about that this scene is one it was very clear how clueless Lucy was on understanding what you need to do in order to get pregnant, which is also coming off of her wanting to have her period. And yet Simon is smarter and understands joke better than Lucy. It is quite funny. Yeah, I mean, Simon is with it, he understands, and Lucy is absolutely clueless. And that's when Mary says, that's not how it happens, and it just goes right above her head.

With great knowledge comes great responsibility.

And Lucy has and Lucy has none of it. But I do, I actually remember that scene. I have a polaroid picture of it, Like, I remember all of that, and I remember just uh I think actually we were trying to do the belly bounce and I think, uh, Jesse knocked me down. I do remember that with the basketballs. Yeah, because well, of course, because we were trying to yeah, we you know, yeah, it was yeah, I was quite small, I was quite little. What happens after that scene?

Some girls do it all the time and nothing happened.

Right, that's what.

She only did it once?

Yeah, right, just a classic line on a nineties show.

I like, if it's just girls doing like girls do it all the time.

I mean, it's not like she got pregnant on her own. There was another participant in this situation. I mean, I think that's what they believe. But it was just but this was a reoccurring theme. We we took in a lot of mother's, lots of them. This was just was just the beginning. Yeah, she was just Yes, she was just a star. Is the next scene?

Fathers though a show later on, I.

Feel like sixteen pregnant or seventeen pregnant.

I mean maybe we kicked off a whole bunch of MTV shows.

Yeah, we invented teenage pregnancy for sure. Kissing.

Oh, Mary gets mad at Matt because he says something to Jeff as older brothers do. And Matt told Jeff that Mary wants to like kiss him, and he breaks off the date. And Mary is mad. Why would he break off the date because he's like ill other older brothers are.

But Jeff breaks off the date because Matt.

No, because Matt made him.

I think, Oh, I don't think we know what happens.

I think I'm just assuming it's heavily implied. I like that heavily implied.

What what turd?

And then we learn about renees aspirations. One she wanted to be like an astronaut, a singer, a lot of things. She did not see her life going in this direction.

Fast forward to twenty twenty four, and you can be an astronaut and a mother.

And a singer and a singer. Yeah, you can be lots of things. You can be anything. I mean you could have been back then. We just I think pregnancy would make it a little difficult.

Well, I mean, zero ges might be kind of nice when you're I would have liked a little bit less gravity.

It's true.

One that's probably not all and folves maybe it'll slightly more.

To be an astronaut, just like I mean, I think there's lots. But stripling back to her episode of seven seven.

So after this, Eric approaches the home of Renee's parents and the door is answered by a very grumpy police officer who is her father, and he says, very strangely, I'm a friend of your daughter's and he gets the door.

Yeah, I don't have a daughter.

Yeah, which is dark and then and then he goes for the second knock, and then it happens again, second slam, and he goes for the third knock, because that's the rule of three. It's an important classic rule in cinema. And then he what the The last thing the cop.

Says is oh, he because he says, I'm a minister, and he says something about the daughter again, and then he says something about uh or he says I have daughters.

Yeah, and he's like, are any of them pregnant? And then you hear the audience.

Go oh, and then he slams the door again. Yeah.

It was like, yeah, yeah, I don't know.

It's a it's an interesting, weird little vignette.

Yeah, now looking back at.

It, yes, very much, so, nexcept Simon gets the shoes up.

Oh. When Simon finally comes clean to Annie.

Yeah, So this is the scene where I'm i'm on I spend the scene and this is the second time in the episode where I enjoy my my work here, and so i'm I spend half the scene under the bed and I only pop out to say lines, which is very cute, and then I forget which line it is, but one of the lines, I pop out upside down, which is which is some weird thing that I would push to do.

You know, that's just like it's a good creative choice.

As it's a stereotypical kind of like weird thing, a curveball I would throw at them. So so and I enjoy that. I thought it was cute and creative. But I'm giving over the shoes that I've been hiding under my bed and you're sass and me in the scene as well, and uh, I don't know, it's a cute little scene if.

You wanted to have an adult conversation and Lucy and Ruthy just says okay and does not move.

Yeah, that's right, you don't zero give me space.

But for me, the MVP of the episode is Catherine, and I want to put that out there on the pod. We're watching the episode, and all of Catherine's scenes are like, Catherine is so solid and natural and like and likable and relatable and all of those things, and just in every moment in this episode.

Just a breath of fresh air. She's just like so there is no acting involved, like she's.

Just no just yes, so so natural and relatable and sweet and you know, It puts a smile on my face to see to see the work her work in this, whereas some of the other stuff, like the scene with Stephen and the cop at the door, is more that they're these little A lot of the scenes sometimes will become these little vignettes and that. But Catherine's work feels very continuous and natural and it has a better like flow to it.

So I think she's the MVP of this episode for sure.

I like calling out MVPs each episode. That's kind of funny.

Cool.

Can't we tell its my turn? If I ever get one.

For we have a check birthday.

Yeah, and it's so much it's not going to be your birthday by the time this is.

Out, but what day we made this? So there you go for those that look.

I think that this was also very sweet episode when we learned more about Annie and she talks about how she loves English lit, which also is Catherine as well. I think that is like, actually.

I think Catherine was an English major.

She was.

And we learned that Matt is studious. If he gets a great grade on this paper, he doesn't have to take a test, I think, or something.

Which I don't remember ever there ever being a path of getting out of midterm.

So it seems like a strange thing. But I don't know anything.

I don't know, I never did.

But Matt's in high school still though, yeah midterms there. Didn't really go to a normal high school and it's been a.

Little less so.

Then Matt finds out about Grandma. He finds out about the big secret in the episode, which is that Grandma is dying of a cancer and he for being the oldest, I don't think he handles it very well. Not that there's a great way to handle news like that, but he gets very upset and kind of belligerent about it and kind of puts his heart on his sleeve.

A little bit, and mostly towards Eric, because I feel like he's much more compassionate towards Annie, obviously because she's the one who told him.

Yeah, but he handles it aggressively.

With very aggressive towards Eric. And there's very much anger, resentment, Yeah, a lot, a lot of emotions.

It's probably mean it's his first death that he's having to process, I think too, and the like with the first death that you process, the lack of control over it over the situation, you know, could make some people probably feel totally that way.

Yes, it is, like you know, in all of the lightness, there is definitely the heavier frustration. Yes, actually watching this, when Lucy sees Jimmy moon Is.

He's like, I thought you liked me, and then you're like you don't speak quickly enough, and then he's like, oh, I didn't really like you anyways, so mad Why, well, you're both insecure and right, yeah, you're both like bumbling little preteens. And the crazy.

Thing about rewatching preteen impression, I didn't realize that my two best friends were in the episode, so rewatching it, it was kind of like a pleasant surprise to see my two real life best friends as extras, and one of which has sadly passed away. So that was actually kind of like it was fun to see her face again. And so it was like really like a cool, like unexpected completely like I was like, but by the way, like how do I get my friends on the second episode? Like I mean I really worked my friends into the show, Like I I friends in there because you know what, hey, if I get a job, I bring my friends along and she's.

Still doing its.

Content, you know, then so next up is another great little scene with Me and Barry, where Simon has this great idea that he thinks is his original.

He's come up with the plan.

It's no one else has thought of it, but he should just marry Renee. And of course he thinks this because he is assuming he is still under the assumption that the baby is Matt's and or at least I think that's that's I think I think.

She has good table Matters comes.

Up with other reasons why and if he if Matt would marry her, then then she and the baby will be fine apparently, but Matt wants to be in love, which is I guess reasonable, and.

Uh, it's nice sentiments, yeah, and has.

To and yeah, Simon is of course looking at this like a business transaction. This will be perfect, everybody wins, uh, and so you should just do that. And it shows, like I was saying earlier, it shows that the that even though Simon is kind of with it and sharp, that there's still that underlying innocence to his character.

And and it's cute.

Well, especially when Matt says, well, you know, you need to be like stable and reliable, and then Simon quickly has that response. Definitely he can't marry yeah not you.

Yeah yeah.

And then we have our cute little pillow fight, which is which makes it to the credits.

We'll be right back.

Annie's the one to talk to because Annie is the one that, like Eric, is upset because he doesn't understand why nobody wants to talk to him, and but Annie is much better at talking.

She's solving the problems in this episode.

Eric can't seem to solve problems, no matter how much, no matter how badly he wants to get a win.

This episode, right, and then and then next up we go to Mary and Lucy's room and Lucy has she's trying to cry into her sassy magazine.

And it's great, A wonderful job, thank you. What's up next?

This is the this is my other credits moment where I where I do the lemonade stand.

No, this is before when you're coming up and you say I have a big idea.

Yeah, that's where I do it, right, Like I have an idea. It's the lemonade I do this.

Oh that's in the credit.

It goes into the credits. Yeah, it's one of my little caption moments.

I also love the like when you know when did you pay your mother back for the ingredients of the lemonade? And you're like, where was I mom?

He knows, never, he knows lemonade stand is a is a tired old idea.

He's clutching straws.

But you have a great But I then have.

The reverse good idea. I'm saying, oh, I'll just give lemonade away.

What a great idea.

Because it's community and everyone goes, ah.

That's cute. He doesn't get it.

But then I do give the lemonade away at church and it's a big hit, and actually I raise money for Dad's shoes. So Simon ends up with his bad take from doing community service, actually ends up getting his way and winning.

Anyway, yeahs, the whole this is like a repetitive which is like a through line. But before at the church, we see Annie reading a book to Ruthie. Yes there is Annie's reading a Christmas book to Ruthie. Yea, which is the only mention of any Yeah, in the whole episode, we would have no idea that it was near Christmas. Maybe, but my child actually asks for the Santa book like in June, so maybe I'm just indulging her.

It could because I will have to say, having kids, I definitely have to listen to and read.

I read an Easter book last week.

I think I read a Halloween book the Bunny. Yeah, it's not Halloween yet.

My kids in October Baby and she was wearing her like jack o lantern dress like the other day.

It's always Halloween.

That is true, So you know, maybe that was it, but maybe.

Maybe maybe it's one in the episode.

Air two Christmas episodes.

But that only episode two, so it would have aired in August or September. So then I don't know, is that it might be something it might not be. Let's move on.

Did it snow at the Camden House? Do you ever do snow? Snow da stuff? Now? Right?

Never?

Okay, I do remember fake snow being on set at one point, but I think it was for the Christmas.

It was a party.

What happened and the show is making that money. We got the fake snow out.

Oh this is when the This is when the doorbell rings and everyone rushes to the door because we don't know who it is. Mary thinks it's going to be Jeff and it is Jimmy Moon and I if you watch this episode back you can watch Barry's elbow totally smack me in the face, and I think I'm trying to keep it in because I just got like smashed in the nose.

Set like we can't actually see you in that first shot.

As I got smacked in the face by Mary's elbow, and then it's like that cute like it was always that, you know with the music of like the look and the look reacts.

Lucy reacts, Oh, Lucy reacts.

Jimmy Moon react, everyone reacts.

That's what it would say in the script, right, And then anytime the script said so and so reacts, they had to get that shot. Yeah, yeah, you know that that quiet but knowing with the.

Music and it was like, yeah, it was just but it's that that smile. And now obviously Lucy is very happy after having seen Jimmy Moon because he comes over. We're all happy, but we don't understand what has happened other than he just shows up. And somehow also in this Mary has Jeff downstairs too. They're on a date and Lucy comes out of the bathroom and runs into Eric and they have a little moment where Lucy's clearly lying because she's taking her big sister's advice of saying that he just needed a homework assignment, and she plays with her hair, and it becomes very clear that both Eric and Lucy are bad liars and they share that same quality, and Eric finally just admits that he's going downstairs to check on Mary to.

See what she's up to.

None of us, none of us are great liars in the episode, by the way, all of us are kind of like, oh, you know, I'm just gonna go upstairs real quick.

Like all of us are liars in this episode.

Pretty late curfew, so I think they tell us that Mary's curfew is eleven or something like that. And Eric was going downstairs too because it was a few minutes before her curfew. So he goes to let Happy out and then he opens the door.

Right and then her discovers.

She's actually already homes for a curfew.

Yeah, and which, by the way, also, why would you make out at the front door? I think there's I mean, to be honest, as we dive into this rewatch, We're gonna have a lot of makeout sessions at that front door. I just feel like there were other better options, but we are what we are.

It was your first boyfriend? She yeah, I mean I guess it's the first time and I sure had.

She dove into that kiss. I mean they had a great makeout session.

They were, yeah, observation or like.

I don't know, no, just no, she's just watching the episode, just watching the episode.

I don't know where where it loses me is when closes the door and they and then and then they loop in that line where she's like, where were we when they go back to making out, which is not what you do when your dad catches you.

Also, would Eric just shut the door?

I don't know, it seems weird. The whole moment is weird.

Yeah, yeah, it's a little awkward. I'm not looking forward to any of that. So that's not happening.

Just f y.

I it's going to be a few seasons for me, so it's you know, I'm safe for a while.

Yeah.

So next is the next day the big church scene, and then the nurse shows up. But also I'd like to start the New Nineties Fashion Award.

Oh two nominees for the nineties.

Wait, so we're gonna this is gonna be a thing. So as we dive into this rewatch, we're gonna have a nineties fashion award, And who wait, who's the judge? Jared? Are you the judge?

Guy?

We're the judge.

You're the two picks that I have.

Okay, Renee's boyfriend for his sunny best church attire where the jeans ride two inches up past the belt line with his.

Or mats church suit with the shoulder pads that are bigger than most linebackers.

Wow, So our options between uh Matt or Renee's baby Daddy's baby Daddy.

I mean my favor for for a nineties award, I favor the the heavy shoulder pads, like the suit jackets with the big shoulder pads, just because that's such a vibe for me. Like I remember all of my suit jackets having the big, heavy shoulder pads back then, So I mean that's relatable to me.

I don't know.

I mean I also just have to go for Barry just because also with the long hair and with the big shoulder pads and.

The Barry Barry was a vibe.

He still is a vine.

He owned it, but he's a different vibe.

He's not anymore, but back then he was a nineties vibe for sure, with his like with his long hair, and you know, and the in our wardrobe, which was very satisfyingly kind of iconic nineties stuff.

Yes, yeah, oh yeah. Why does the nurse show up at the church? And also why is she in our row?

I don't know she's she's a row.

But the gag, I mean, it's all just it's just for the gag, right, But like she was hitting on the pastor who said he was married and has a family. But then she still takes the shoes and then she goes to church like with the shoes out, like she holds him out the whole to be like it came across.

As though she didn't believe he was a pastor or that he was married, or that he was married. And then she's, oh, I found your wife, and let's sit in the same role.

On the church put upon confirmation, she's still down.

I do have to say Catherine's reaction.

Class m VP reaction is perfect.

And then of course Simon comes in with a pot full of money.

That's right, because I my my bad take on the on the free lemonade actually was a success. And that's and and that's a through line for Simon's business ventures moving forward.

And now the congregation thinks that Eric is a pauper, right, yeah.

And then and then we move on and in the sermon, Matt kind of runs into Renee's dad, who has previously said he doesn't have a daughter and has had a change of thought. And Renee's baby daddy also shows up, who also has a change of because everyone is easily swayed to do the right thing, which comes to church. And and then Renee gets up and has the voice of an angel.

I don't understand what the significance is.

Its the terrible trend of musical numbers.

We have renees like Eric goes and to the brother of Renee's baby daddy first, but.

He doesn't, she doesn't. He doesn't.

But it's not him. Are we just using him to be like we're assuming this tough guy, a wife beater, you know, is not the involvement. But and truthfully, like the guy with the dorky jeans and the belt, you know, is also the one that didn't really want to be involved.

It was just to play on your nights.

Is the statement that like doesn't matter how they people someone dresses, that doesn't really affect their accountability. And what's the statement.

I don't know. It's a bait and switch.

It's like a cheap bait and switch, Like you're like, oh, this biker is definitely a yeah.

Yeah.

But then it's brother who also didn't want to.

I think he was that dorky.

Didn't walk in with his motorcycle.

That's he wasn't cool automatic guy.

He wasn't the biker guy you know, stereotyped they were trying to push.

Well. Also, yeah, it was like that bad he got the girl pregnant. It was like a normal kid who they did it once?

Wrong, yeah or apparently right?

Okay, Chris is not getting weird.

I only did it once.

That line, Oh my gosh. Some some girls do it all the time and renate did it once?

How is that fair?

Yeah? You guys did you guys.

Have probably too traumatic block them out.

I don't know if I'll out myself on the internet. I don't know.

Like, well, like you said, you were always really honest, and.

I mean I kind of meant it, man, Like I's with with my folks.

Like I I.

Learned early on, man, it was just best to come clean. So I was pretty straight up with my parents about everything.

Really, Yeah, I wasn't a big secret keeper.

I don't think I was.

I'm also too big of a I have too big of a mouth. I was just like, spilled the beans too quickly.

Yeah, I'm just like there's no way opposite.

Probably my dad. My dad used to have this line.

My dad used to say, if we're ever in trouble or whatever, to all of me and all my brothers and sisters.

He would always be like, if you lie to me, I can't help you. That was his line.

It's a good one.

It's a solid but it's it's a cop show kind of line, but in the context of of like family like it, it's works.

It's solid.

Is solo use that one? Okay? Well on that note and some solid parenting advice. I think that's a wrap on episode two. We did it, guys, we watched. We've watched two episodes and we watch and David watched one, David watched one, and we watch it. So thank you for joining us on catching up with the Camdens. Stay tuned for next week's episode where we rewatch episode three.

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