The volume catching phase is brought to you by Fan Duel. It's never been easier to play fantasy on fandor whether you love basketball, golf, soccer, or any other fantasy sport, there's a contest for every fan. Fan Duel more ways to win catching face. I keep to leave here, and we got my dog like Taylor on the day man, two times super Bowl champ like Taylor. Man, what's up baby? See what's up? Man? Glad to do on your shower? Dog? I see you being grinding you over there, sweating? Man? You just finish? You fresh out the gym with you? What you're doing over there? Man, I'm fresh off the streets. So I just got running the mill, running the mill. Yeah, I did a mole six six minutes thirty six seconds. Oh so you're running the mill. Yeah, So I'm running. I'm for real, like I don't running them yeah yeah yeah. Just staying in shape, bro, That's all I feel that. I see. I'm with the stand in shape part, right. I ain't with the running the mouth part. I ain't never been with that part, man, But I feel you though, I feel what all you be doing? What type of stuff you doing? Stay in shape? Side? Running, Brob'll be boxing. I'll be sparing. I just don't be saying that. So I've been boxing for like seven years since our time. So I actually actually been hitting gyms in Houston a lot, hitting gyms in New Orleans, hitting gyms in Daytona. So I just far I've been boxing heavy. That's really been keeping me in shape. But I've been training like I got my nephew. Man, we just made we made a trip to Florida State. We just got off of Texas. We gotta go to Tennessee here de tac like the number five de tacking the nation. So we've just been traveling to recruiting business and all that good stuff. So it's something new to me. You know, I was a walk on, so I never knew nothing about and it's different now. I wanted to walk on, but it's a whole another game. Now it's totally different than when we were there for whole another game. It's all it's all r P. If you're that guy in that position, and these Paul Fire schools, won't you man, they're rolling out the red carpet all day. Bro Right, I'm already knowing. So look, it's funny we're talking about that. So let's let's get to you. How you how I get overlooked in that recruiting process. Man, you walked on that Lafayette right, So how how I get? How I get mixed up in? And how you get overlooked? Man, I tell people all the time. First of all, I was playing d N in high school. I was right, so picture picture me one and come on right then. Second of all, we ran a wint offense. Saw the wing back in my offense. Third of all, I was probably like the eighth best guy on my football team. It's just at the time, coming from New Orleans to I was around number knuckleheads. So I said, man, at least at least let me get out of city. Because between nine who was number one in the world with the murder capital, like we they were just banking. They was banging just if see if they ain't know you, you ain't know me. And we just looked at each other. We're popping off, right, It wan't no fight, and we just popping off right there. So I said, man, I got I gotta get it. I gotta get out of this. So a lot of a lot of my homeboys who was way better than me. And we had these stories all day, like dudes from the hood, from the streets, streets, there was always good. They just couldn't find a find a way out. So I was just like one of those guys on my football team. I wasn't the best, but I ain't never let nobody out working. So that that's always with my go to I feel that so so boom. You ain't get the college out of high school while you stay in Louisiana. Then you stay. You went to Lafayette, you stayed there, you stayed in the state. What I'm saying, you ain't moving too far if you're gonna walk on you pretty much, because you know I can go anywhere and walk on. Why did you pick Lafayette? Man? Picture my principal, Dr. Joe Murray. He was like, look, I see a lot of you. You can't see yourself right now, he said, Man, I went went to Louisiana. Laugh yette, Um, I know the Dean out there. I know the e Dr. Dre. So look, man, we're gonna drive down there. You're gonna have to walk on though, And I was like, man, where does it walk on? He said, Man, ain't no scholarships. It ain't no partial scholarships. You can't ran sure, you just you know, you gotta use that word. You have to walk on. So I said, man, I just need a shot. He said, all right, we're gonna get you in school, get you a role um down the street. So he was like one of on the ones who who who saw something I couldn't see at the time. So walked on, went down there for a weekend, and you know the rest, the rest of the rest count of history. But my first two years, though, I was being a knucklehead. So I was playing in a real basketball in the middle football because I couldn't get my grades right because I won't go into class. So I remember my mama calling me. Man, my mama called me crying the end of my sophomore. Yees, she called me crying because I ain't know my grades was going to her and uh, these f d s, F these few a few she's and she said, as a mom, man, just tell me what I didn't do. And that's when I just broke down because I'm I'm I'm rolling deex in the back of my memory, like damn, MOMAA did everything she could do, raising four kids, and I'm out here, asshole in the college, ain't trying to make take a good situation and make it a great situation. So from that point on, I told myself, I said, man, my mamma never called me again crying over something I didn't do. After all the hard works you did put in, and I just kind of took off from the Yeah, yeah, you definitely definitely took off. You go from Lafayette, go to the Stiller's fourth round. You know what I'm saying, slot in there. We're gonna talk about that comma in the minute, but slot in that fourth round to Pittsburgh, know what I'm saying, that was a that was a unique culture, you know what I'm saying, was born into with Bill Coward and Podermalo, them kind of guys man. Talk about that culture that your rookie see, your first NFL experienced type of locker room man. Talk about that. As soon as I hopped up the lane, I don't know if you remember the shay Towns in the cornerbacks from Alabama. Of course I know all the dbs bro's. That's it felt like I feel like it's my job to know all the dbs and what I'm saying okay. So as soon as I hopped off the plane, the shade gave me one of his dealer car. Said afford the floor. He said, young buck, you gotta call. Ain't even know him. He said, bro, you gotta He said, you gotta car. I said, she ain't got no winning my little life. He was like, uh, look, man, I got an extra car. He said, get lost. He was like, getting back to me when you get your first check or when you at the end of the year. Getting back to now. He gave me his car. He gave me his car like June. He said, man, get that thing back to me in December. And I was like, for real. He was like, yeah forever. I said, down, that's love. I said, man, I said, we're the same position. We're gonna compete for show. And he just dropped off the car. He just getting me a call because he had that car so far from From that point on, I was like, man, this this this this family right here. Then to jord Porters Wation like ps PC show. Everybody loved what you were to you know what you were to cook the janitor, his teammates or somebody who worked in the front office. PC just got along with everybody and you gots wrong, better bettert At the time, Bussy just knew how to be a professional professional like he just showed you how to be a professional on and off the field. Then you got Mr Rooney, the owner. His door always open, so regards of what you want to talk about, you can always go on his dope, going his office and just talk to him. And you know, Bill Cole, me and him was cool at the time. Shout out coach Bill Cole because you're going to the Hall of Fame. But even Kevin Colby, the general manager over it up. He was just he showed me the front office business. I taught me the front office business part. So man, I was just fortunate enough to play for Hall of Fame coach. You know, coach, you're gonna probably go uh you know, Dick Lebo, he already end up. Coach Muncheck. I don't know if I don't know if you played with coach Mancheck because he came over there with your offensive line when he left us on rush grim offensive line. Coach. So I has been playing with nothing but Hall of famers. So they it's a reason why they're going to the Hall of Fame. So I was very fortunate Troy Pouncing gonna wind up going to our big big on, wind up going to all the things. Man, I'm just that's that's just how it is. So it's like when you get in that culture playing for the Pittsburgh Stellers, man, you know good. So as soon as we saw Troy, we already said from the first time he stepped on the field for their practice, to do the Hall of Famer. But that's that's that's so you just you just stood in line like I knew my lane, Like I ain't about to say I'm better than Troy, like I felt like at some point in time I could cover better than Troy, but all around being the best player on that backfield, Troy the man. So Troy's Michael Jackson, and we wanted the Jackson fives. Anybody on de Troy with Jackson five. And that's and that's that's that's how that's when you got somebody, you know of that kind of talant, you just gotta acknowledge that you can't even fight it, you know the fighting You know what I'm saying, you you're gonna want to knowledge it on Sunday because he's gonna be So what about what about two thousand five that that particular group What I'm saying, what what was it about that particular group guys? You was going a weld with it that separated jaw and want that chip. So we knew, we knew Jerome Biggest had an idea on retiring. We knew the super Bowl was in Detroit, so we said, man, let's let's dedicated this season to your own bettest right. So everything we did. So that was my first year start. So when I looked at that, I said, ship it. So this ain't it's always about week. This ain't about me. And it was like, Bro, the only way we're gonna get to what we get to, the only way we're gonna make all this money. As long as we win it, people gonna want us exactly teams donna want you. He said, that's that's that's the problem. These yourn kids don't understand. Man, when you win, they want they want to know why and be a part of or try to pick your brain on why. So everybody and everybody want a couple of the guys who was winning. Let me get one of them, saying that's it, go ahead, but they don't get that part though, I'm telling you, that's the part they don't get. Like I ain't played twelve years because I kissed the ball ship I played. I played twelve years because I locked down whoever they asked me, you know. And then the playoffs, I made my plays and I checked the team's best receiver and handling my business like That's how I played twelve But if I was on the losing team, it wouldn't matter. It wouldn't matter, It wouldn't have been enough. They won't one that they wanted because that win. Winning is a skill. Want guys who got that that ultimate competitive edge that some guys just don't have. Man, I ain't I'm saying, I ain't gonna say no names, but some guys you watch basketball, like man, he cold as hell, but he can't get out the first He just winning as a skill. That winning as a skill. Man. So look, you was you was there for the transition from Kyward to Mike T. So how was that man? How was how was How did myke t maintain that culture or did he ring his own culture? Or how how did the building change once my tea came in? There ain't nothing to change when you get there. They said, if it ain't broke, you know, don't try to don't try to fix it. So coach Coach Cheek, Coach Coward from a from a coaching standpoint, it was hard to coach with Coach Cower. From a players standpoint, easy because he was he was a players coach. That's just like. But at the time, at the time, man, we flew down in the hurricane in my aim. I don't know if you remember. That's when Wicky Wins playing running back in my name and Ronnie Brown was also the running back to from Aubum. Man. We flew, we said, Coach, we were flying down because said you got there right. He said, Man, as long as not lightening shore about the right. I said, yeah, we we we we gotta, we gotta, we gotta coach with a loose screw at the top right here. So we flew it out into Miami, bro and I'd like to sleep cold, but man, themn they fitted three guys. Bro slept, We slept in a We slept in the hallway. Bro. We we bought out, we bought our pillows out. We slept in the hallway. We played cars together. We played monopoly games together. We played with everyone to play in the middle of a hurricane. So that part doing doing that part when you got grown as men, just wanted to be around each other, just sleeping at the facility like we used to sleep at the facility like coaches upstairs. They used to be doing their game plans on on Monday and Tuesday to give us, give it to us a win. They they used to tell us come down and tend the leven clock at night to be quiet, because we all just want to hang out with each other. The locker room. Yeah, gonna be somewhere. And we made it the locker roll so and it got it got so comfortable in that locker room. Even though of the girlfriends man they just thought they just start picking days. Was one of the wiles and two wives they might cook for that day because they already knew what was at you know what I'm saying. But it was just we used to go to walmant and talking to get cocks, to have cocks so we can sleep on in the locker room. Now we're talking about what's you mean is but we want to be we want to be around each other so bad. It over to the field. And that's that's that'd be what separate them teams. I'll be telling them the teams. If you look at the teams I want chips on from the Orange Bowl to the Super Bowl fifty to the Super Bowl. I lost bro them teams was just different. We just kicked it in a whole another way than I did on my teams. Who ain't going to them super Bowls with just that's crucial. So so so Mike T ain't had to ain't have to change nothing because he just coward came out and Mike T came in and it was poetry and motion. They're still moving. Cootito, coach t coach, here's the players, coach, but coach gonna get your football. I Q all the way to Jesus. Yeah, that was that was that was he so coach. He used to sit down with me, well Gay Troy Dicky Um defensive staff coach Ray Harden and implement. He was like, y'all on the field, what y'all see that y'all want you take as a coaching staff, we can adjust to do right. We'll look at like, yeah, what y'all think about this? That's crucial. So now we run to throw a brick ball for that. So we already get coach Kyle. They said, you know he was tough to play for, which he wasn't. He just put on that show for TV. Hell of a damn coach. Then you get coach t who can simplify football and get your i Q better. Whether you're a football fan or not, whether you fold or eight or folk, he gonna make you understand the game. So he just came into a different He came to a to a whole different perspective as far as Okay, even though we coaches, we still want y'all to implement on what y'all seeing on the field. That took it to a whole another love itself. Right, So what about your other Super Bowl squad? Uh? Y'all? You played in one of the one of the most exciting Super Bowls, probably one of the top five ever. Man, that thing was back and forth. That was my rookie year, I think Rickie. It was in tamp y'all played it in Tampa, right, yea, yea yea, I lived in Tampa. Oh. I had a great time that Super Bowl. Man, Hey, what what what how was that team that? What was what was the difference between them two teams. So we we we looked at so at the time, my team captor was Jordan point in two thousand five. So the personality of two thousand five was we're fighting on in off the field, like if we're fighting on the field, or we don't get a chance to fight on the field, you know, men show when we see each other in the offseason, we're fighting in Miami or Vegas or Arizona, New York. Yeah, we're just letting y'all know, like y'all can try to be tough, want to field, and the fight ain't gonna be filed. We were damn sure we're gonna fight off the field. That's that's what we're doing. Fast forward two thousand nine, James Ferry was our captain. Linebacker James Kerry pot Dog. Pot Dog had a more button up man tality, more of a business mind a smack you in the face but more of one hundred but more of a button up business minor mentality. So we're we kind of like transferred into that mentality. Once we let ps go clean off the field, stuff, clean up, save all your money, clean up off the field. You don't need no assistant this is how you should do it on y'all, cut your middleman off, educate yourself like that was pot dog right, you know what I'm saying. So we were I was blessed by two different kind of people. So that was that was our team mentality and two thousand and eight, two thousand nine, you know what I'm saying. So and make sure we watch the tape. We all go by James ferry House. We all watch tape. As a defensive staff, he had somebody to come over that cook for everybody, hand sized people over, the up for everybody. Right, So that's that's that's how that was. But both teams, both teams still had that that close knit, that same vibe though huh correct still had that same vibe, just a different man talent. Could you feel like in other in other seasons that wasn't oh wait, it wasn't all five whatever what you came man, Just watch like old six to like oh three to seven twelve or thirteen and two twelve? Was it? See? Was it was? You ever in the same building and was like, yeah, that's the same building, the same culture. But this team just ain't got that vibe like we had, bro, did you feel like that on the years you didn't win, or even the years you didn't win. It was kind of like saying that two thousand twelve, it was like, okay, the Times of Attorney right like, um um, now they're calling me uncle, like yeah, you know what I'm saying. You starting me old g and uncle like alright, the ties the tides turning, the mentality change a little bit, you know, it was more it was more of a me the w the offense to kind of ship to that offense a little bit ship to the offense a little bit. Man just ain't me me me me, me, me me me, and we like to this day. Man ain't gonnother change, just asked Patrick Mahomes lashing the super Bowl. But you ain't got no good defense, ain't winning nothing, and you already no first hand te y'all had that. No flies on for a minute, regardless of how good or or out his prime. And you know, paid man and my dog from New Orleans. But p P already know man, I need a defense. You gotta have it. I need to defense. You gotta have it. You gotta happen. That's two thousand twelve. I thought that's when the Times was turned for shall so catching as it is proud to be presented by FanDuel. Never play fan duel Fantasy before great. FanDuel is offering up to five hundred dollars bonus instantly when you make your first deposit with our deposit match. Why do you play FanDuel? I play FanDuel for the Fantasy easy to use app. It's so easy to use and make my betting experience great, and I can pick a new team every game. FanDuel is offering new users a deposit match up to five hundred dollars when you make your first deposit. Go to FanDuel dot com slash coward for more info. FanDuel dot com slash Coward FanDuel more ways to win. So you're a sports fan, that's why you're listening. 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Telling people what it was? Man seven photo seven? What you're in because you know it's some stories out there. You know it's stories. Maybe I ran the PHO one he for one before and you know people like, man, I can't that fasty. I've been in the locker room a long time, so we have had all all the conversations. So what was it? What I put it out there for to seven was my fastest time FO to seven? That's what it is. And then the other thing that the other thing that people want to know, what was you listening to in the headphones up under the helmet. So I had it on Pandora at the time. That was two thousand two. You really have a plan, jam as any one of my teammates jam it. So I saw because you know, the the quarterback, the backup, the defensive captain, the backup defensive captain, they had the air they had the air things from the coach. So I said, man, let me, let me, let me go online, let me get let me get them two things. But let me let me see if I can get me a bluetooth and connected to my nano from from Apple. Yeah, do that. I can just I can just jam it and my ears and nothing. It's just on my helmet. Yeah, it's just on my helmet. So man, I wind up doing that. I said, Man, let me try to let me try to train the camp, try to train. The camp was already just getting a signal from the sideline, so I didn't really need to. And we've been playing with each other for like hey, yeah, so we're all exactly. So I wound up. I said, oh, man, as long as I keep this charge, I can play ball in jail. At the same time, it was up. That's my whole life. Training really is right there, man, that's brilliant, right. So I always heard it and I always thought like he had the AirPods. He ain't got put him in the here. I ain't really think about what I'm saying. You don't got it all hooked up. Yeah, Yeah, that's what's up. You're an innovator, man, looks it's gonna be it's gonna be more like you to come. I'm saying, I'm telling you, but I ain't talking. I ain't talk about it too after I retired because I ain't gonna get h boy the trumble like I didn't do it on my own, something like, man, you know what you're doing. You said, oh wait, no I did. I did it for four years. So two thousand ten to the time I retired, I was just five years. I was just jam. This is all, was just jam. That's what's up, baby. Hey. I appreciate it, my boy. I ain't gonna hold you, man, gonna finish that workout, man, I'm saying, what's that sweat? Take care of that body, baby, he t man. I appreciate you, but good watching on TV man, keep commentating doing your damn thing. Bro. Always been a pleasant just watching you. Ain't no flies on me. If nobody didn't know no better man, you was a personality in that secondary. I don't care who. I don't care who you played with like y'all. Y'all had some dogs, but she was definitely the personality and that secondary. So it's always good seeing the dog from another dog playing hand his business for a long term. You already know, baby, Hey, I appreciate you anytime you got anything going. Man, we got a great platform to man, we break that ship. You already know. Appreciate that. Hell yeah, take care of

The volume catching phase is brought to you by Fan Duel. It's never been easier to play fantasy on fandor whether you love basketball, golf, soccer, or any other fantasy sport, there's a contest for every fan. Fan Duel more ways to win catching face. I keep to leave here, and we got my dog like Taylor on the day man, two times super Bowl champ like Taylor. Man, what's up baby? See what's up? Man? Glad to do on your shower? Dog? I see you being grinding you over there, sweating? Man? You just finish? You fresh out the gym with you? What you're doing over there? Man, I'm fresh off the streets. So I just got running the mill, running the mill. Yeah, I did a mole six six minutes thirty six seconds. Oh so you're running the mill. Yeah, So I'm running. I'm for real, like I don't running them yeah yeah yeah. Just staying in shape, bro, That's all I feel that. I see. I'm with the stand in shape part, right. I ain't with the running the mouth part. I ain't never been with that part, man, But I feel you though, I feel what all you be doing? What type of stuff you doing? Stay in shape? Side? Running, Brob'll be boxing. I'll be sparing. I just don't be saying that. So I've been boxing for like seven years since our time. So I actually actually been hitting gyms in Houston a lot, hitting gyms in New Orleans, hitting gyms in Daytona. So I just far I've been boxing heavy. That's really been keeping me in shape. But I've been training like I got my nephew. Man, we just made we made a trip to Florida State. We just got off of Texas. We gotta go to Tennessee here de tac like the number five de tacking the nation. So we've just been traveling to recruiting business and all that good stuff. So it's something new to me. You know, I was a walk on, so I never knew nothing about and it's different now. I wanted to walk on, but it's a whole another game. Now it's totally different than when we were there for whole another game. It's all it's all r P. If you're that guy in that position, and these Paul Fire schools, won't you man, they're rolling out the red carpet all day. Bro Right, I'm already knowing. So look, it's funny we're talking about that. So let's let's get to you. How you how I get overlooked in that recruiting process. Man, you walked on that Lafayette right, So how how I get? How I get mixed up in? And how you get overlooked? Man, I tell people all the time. First of all, I was playing d N in high school. I was right, so picture picture me one and come on right then. Second of all, we ran a wint offense. Saw the wing back in my offense. Third of all, I was probably like the eighth best guy on my football team. It's just at the time, coming from New Orleans to I was around number knuckleheads. So I said, man, at least at least let me get out of city. Because between nine who was number one in the world with the murder capital, like we they were just banking. They was banging just if see if they ain't know you, you ain't know me. And we just looked at each other. We're popping off, right, It wan't no fight, and we just popping off right there. So I said, man, I got I gotta get it. I gotta get out of this. So a lot of a lot of my homeboys who was way better than me. And we had these stories all day, like dudes from the hood, from the streets, streets, there was always good. They just couldn't find a find a way out. So I was just like one of those guys on my football team. I wasn't the best, but I ain't never let nobody out working. So that that's always with my go to I feel that so so boom. You ain't get the college out of high school while you stay in Louisiana. Then you stay. You went to Lafayette, you stayed there, you stayed in the state. What I'm saying, you ain't moving too far if you're gonna walk on you pretty much, because you know I can go anywhere and walk on. Why did you pick Lafayette? Man? Picture my principal, Dr. Joe Murray. He was like, look, I see a lot of you. You can't see yourself right now, he said, Man, I went went to Louisiana. Laugh yette, Um, I know the Dean out there. I know the e Dr. Dre. So look, man, we're gonna drive down there. You're gonna have to walk on though, And I was like, man, where does it walk on? He said, Man, ain't no scholarships. It ain't no partial scholarships. You can't ran sure, you just you know, you gotta use that word. You have to walk on. So I said, man, I just need a shot. He said, all right, we're gonna get you in school, get you a role um down the street. So he was like one of on the ones who who who saw something I couldn't see at the time. So walked on, went down there for a weekend, and you know the rest, the rest of the rest count of history. But my first two years, though, I was being a knucklehead. So I was playing in a real basketball in the middle football because I couldn't get my grades right because I won't go into class. So I remember my mama calling me. Man, my mama called me crying the end of my sophomore. Yees, she called me crying because I ain't know my grades was going to her and uh, these f d s, F these few a few she's and she said, as a mom, man, just tell me what I didn't do. And that's when I just broke down because I'm I'm I'm rolling deex in the back of my memory, like damn, MOMAA did everything she could do, raising four kids, and I'm out here, asshole in the college, ain't trying to make take a good situation and make it a great situation. So from that point on, I told myself, I said, man, my mamma never called me again crying over something I didn't do. After all the hard works you did put in, and I just kind of took off from the Yeah, yeah, you definitely definitely took off. You go from Lafayette, go to the Stiller's fourth round. You know what I'm saying, slot in there. We're gonna talk about that comma in the minute, but slot in that fourth round to Pittsburgh, know what I'm saying, that was a that was a unique culture, you know what I'm saying, was born into with Bill Coward and Podermalo, them kind of guys man. Talk about that culture that your rookie see, your first NFL experienced type of locker room man. Talk about that. As soon as I hopped up the lane, I don't know if you remember the shay Towns in the cornerbacks from Alabama. Of course I know all the dbs bro's. That's it felt like I feel like it's my job to know all the dbs and what I'm saying okay. So as soon as I hopped off the plane, the shade gave me one of his dealer car. Said afford the floor. He said, young buck, you gotta call. Ain't even know him. He said, bro, you gotta He said, you gotta car. I said, she ain't got no winning my little life. He was like, uh, look, man, I got an extra car. He said, get lost. He was like, getting back to me when you get your first check or when you at the end of the year. Getting back to now. He gave me his car. He gave me his car like June. He said, man, get that thing back to me in December. And I was like, for real. He was like, yeah forever. I said, down, that's love. I said, man, I said, we're the same position. We're gonna compete for show. And he just dropped off the car. He just getting me a call because he had that car so far from From that point on, I was like, man, this this this this family right here. Then to jord Porters Wation like ps PC show. Everybody loved what you were to you know what you were to cook the janitor, his teammates or somebody who worked in the front office. PC just got along with everybody and you gots wrong, better bettert At the time, Bussy just knew how to be a professional professional like he just showed you how to be a professional on and off the field. Then you got Mr Rooney, the owner. His door always open, so regards of what you want to talk about, you can always go on his dope, going his office and just talk to him. And you know, Bill Cole, me and him was cool at the time. Shout out coach Bill Cole because you're going to the Hall of Fame. But even Kevin Colby, the general manager over it up. He was just he showed me the front office business. I taught me the front office business part. So man, I was just fortunate enough to play for Hall of Fame coach. You know, coach, you're gonna probably go uh you know, Dick Lebo, he already end up. Coach Muncheck. I don't know if I don't know if you played with coach Mancheck because he came over there with your offensive line when he left us on rush grim offensive line. Coach. So I has been playing with nothing but Hall of famers. So they it's a reason why they're going to the Hall of Fame. So I was very fortunate Troy Pouncing gonna wind up going to our big big on, wind up going to all the things. Man, I'm just that's that's just how it is. So it's like when you get in that culture playing for the Pittsburgh Stellers, man, you know good. So as soon as we saw Troy, we already said from the first time he stepped on the field for their practice, to do the Hall of Famer. But that's that's that's so you just you just stood in line like I knew my lane, Like I ain't about to say I'm better than Troy, like I felt like at some point in time I could cover better than Troy, but all around being the best player on that backfield, Troy the man. So Troy's Michael Jackson, and we wanted the Jackson fives. Anybody on de Troy with Jackson five. And that's and that's that's that's how that's when you got somebody, you know of that kind of talant, you just gotta acknowledge that you can't even fight it, you know the fighting You know what I'm saying, you you're gonna want to knowledge it on Sunday because he's gonna be So what about what about two thousand five that that particular group What I'm saying, what what was it about that particular group guys? You was going a weld with it that separated jaw and want that chip. So we knew, we knew Jerome Biggest had an idea on retiring. We knew the super Bowl was in Detroit, so we said, man, let's let's dedicated this season to your own bettest right. So everything we did. So that was my first year start. So when I looked at that, I said, ship it. So this ain't it's always about week. This ain't about me. And it was like, Bro, the only way we're gonna get to what we get to, the only way we're gonna make all this money. As long as we win it, people gonna want us exactly teams donna want you. He said, that's that's that's the problem. These yourn kids don't understand. Man, when you win, they want they want to know why and be a part of or try to pick your brain on why. So everybody and everybody want a couple of the guys who was winning. Let me get one of them, saying that's it, go ahead, but they don't get that part though, I'm telling you, that's the part they don't get. Like I ain't played twelve years because I kissed the ball ship I played. I played twelve years because I locked down whoever they asked me, you know. And then the playoffs, I made my plays and I checked the team's best receiver and handling my business like That's how I played twelve But if I was on the losing team, it wouldn't matter. It wouldn't matter, It wouldn't have been enough. They won't one that they wanted because that win. Winning is a skill. Want guys who got that that ultimate competitive edge that some guys just don't have. Man, I ain't I'm saying, I ain't gonna say no names, but some guys you watch basketball, like man, he cold as hell, but he can't get out the first He just winning as a skill. That winning as a skill. Man. So look, you was you was there for the transition from Kyward to Mike T. So how was that man? How was how was How did myke t maintain that culture or did he ring his own culture? Or how how did the building change once my tea came in? There ain't nothing to change when you get there. They said, if it ain't broke, you know, don't try to don't try to fix it. So coach Coach Cheek, Coach Coward from a from a coaching standpoint, it was hard to coach with Coach Cower. From a players standpoint, easy because he was he was a players coach. That's just like. But at the time, at the time, man, we flew down in the hurricane in my aim. I don't know if you remember. That's when Wicky Wins playing running back in my name and Ronnie Brown was also the running back to from Aubum. Man. We flew, we said, Coach, we were flying down because said you got there right. He said, Man, as long as not lightening shore about the right. I said, yeah, we we we we gotta, we gotta, we gotta coach with a loose screw at the top right here. So we flew it out into Miami, bro and I'd like to sleep cold, but man, themn they fitted three guys. Bro slept, We slept in a We slept in the hallway. Bro. We we bought out, we bought our pillows out. We slept in the hallway. We played cars together. We played monopoly games together. We played with everyone to play in the middle of a hurricane. So that part doing doing that part when you got grown as men, just wanted to be around each other, just sleeping at the facility like we used to sleep at the facility like coaches upstairs. They used to be doing their game plans on on Monday and Tuesday to give us, give it to us a win. They they used to tell us come down and tend the leven clock at night to be quiet, because we all just want to hang out with each other. The locker room. Yeah, gonna be somewhere. And we made it the locker roll so and it got it got so comfortable in that locker room. Even though of the girlfriends man they just thought they just start picking days. Was one of the wiles and two wives they might cook for that day because they already knew what was at you know what I'm saying. But it was just we used to go to walmant and talking to get cocks, to have cocks so we can sleep on in the locker room. Now we're talking about what's you mean is but we want to be we want to be around each other so bad. It over to the field. And that's that's that'd be what separate them teams. I'll be telling them the teams. If you look at the teams I want chips on from the Orange Bowl to the Super Bowl fifty to the Super Bowl. I lost bro them teams was just different. We just kicked it in a whole another way than I did on my teams. Who ain't going to them super Bowls with just that's crucial. So so so Mike T ain't had to ain't have to change nothing because he just coward came out and Mike T came in and it was poetry and motion. They're still moving. Cootito, coach t coach, here's the players, coach, but coach gonna get your football. I Q all the way to Jesus. Yeah, that was that was that was he so coach. He used to sit down with me, well Gay Troy Dicky Um defensive staff coach Ray Harden and implement. He was like, y'all on the field, what y'all see that y'all want you take as a coaching staff, we can adjust to do right. We'll look at like, yeah, what y'all think about this? That's crucial. So now we run to throw a brick ball for that. So we already get coach Kyle. They said, you know he was tough to play for, which he wasn't. He just put on that show for TV. Hell of a damn coach. Then you get coach t who can simplify football and get your i Q better. Whether you're a football fan or not, whether you fold or eight or folk, he gonna make you understand the game. So he just came into a different He came to a to a whole different perspective as far as Okay, even though we coaches, we still want y'all to implement on what y'all seeing on the field. That took it to a whole another love itself. Right, So what about your other Super Bowl squad? Uh? Y'all? You played in one of the one of the most exciting Super Bowls, probably one of the top five ever. Man, that thing was back and forth. That was my rookie year, I think Rickie. It was in tamp y'all played it in Tampa, right, yea, yea yea, I lived in Tampa. Oh. I had a great time that Super Bowl. Man, Hey, what what what how was that team that? What was what was the difference between them two teams. So we we we looked at so at the time, my team captor was Jordan point in two thousand five. So the personality of two thousand five was we're fighting on in off the field, like if we're fighting on the field, or we don't get a chance to fight on the field, you know, men show when we see each other in the offseason, we're fighting in Miami or Vegas or Arizona, New York. Yeah, we're just letting y'all know, like y'all can try to be tough, want to field, and the fight ain't gonna be filed. We were damn sure we're gonna fight off the field. That's that's what we're doing. Fast forward two thousand nine, James Ferry was our captain. Linebacker James Kerry pot Dog. Pot Dog had a more button up man tality, more of a business mind a smack you in the face but more of one hundred but more of a button up business minor mentality. So we're we kind of like transferred into that mentality. Once we let ps go clean off the field, stuff, clean up, save all your money, clean up off the field. You don't need no assistant this is how you should do it on y'all, cut your middleman off, educate yourself like that was pot dog right, you know what I'm saying. So we were I was blessed by two different kind of people. So that was that was our team mentality and two thousand and eight, two thousand nine, you know what I'm saying. So and make sure we watch the tape. We all go by James ferry House. We all watch tape. As a defensive staff, he had somebody to come over that cook for everybody, hand sized people over, the up for everybody. Right, So that's that's that's how that was. But both teams, both teams still had that that close knit, that same vibe though huh correct still had that same vibe, just a different man talent. Could you feel like in other in other seasons that wasn't oh wait, it wasn't all five whatever what you came man, Just watch like old six to like oh three to seven twelve or thirteen and two twelve? Was it? See? Was it was? You ever in the same building and was like, yeah, that's the same building, the same culture. But this team just ain't got that vibe like we had, bro, did you feel like that on the years you didn't win, or even the years you didn't win. It was kind of like saying that two thousand twelve, it was like, okay, the Times of Attorney right like, um um, now they're calling me uncle, like yeah, you know what I'm saying. You starting me old g and uncle like alright, the ties the tides turning, the mentality change a little bit, you know, it was more it was more of a me the w the offense to kind of ship to that offense a little bit ship to the offense a little bit. Man just ain't me me me me, me, me me me, and we like to this day. Man ain't gonnother change, just asked Patrick Mahomes lashing the super Bowl. But you ain't got no good defense, ain't winning nothing, and you already no first hand te y'all had that. No flies on for a minute, regardless of how good or or out his prime. And you know, paid man and my dog from New Orleans. But p P already know man, I need a defense. You gotta have it. I need to defense. You gotta have it. You gotta happen. That's two thousand twelve. I thought that's when the Times was turned for shall so catching as it is proud to be presented by FanDuel. Never play fan duel Fantasy before great. FanDuel is offering up to five hundred dollars bonus instantly when you make your first deposit with our deposit match. Why do you play FanDuel? I play FanDuel for the Fantasy easy to use app. It's so easy to use and make my betting experience great, and I can pick a new team every game. FanDuel is offering new users a deposit match up to five hundred dollars when you make your first deposit. Go to FanDuel dot com slash coward for more info. FanDuel dot com slash Coward FanDuel more ways to win. So you're a sports fan, that's why you're listening. 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Telling people what it was? Man seven photo seven? What you're in because you know it's some stories out there. You know it's stories. Maybe I ran the PHO one he for one before and you know people like, man, I can't that fasty. I've been in the locker room a long time, so we have had all all the conversations. So what was it? What I put it out there for to seven was my fastest time FO to seven? That's what it is. And then the other thing that the other thing that people want to know, what was you listening to in the headphones up under the helmet. So I had it on Pandora at the time. That was two thousand two. You really have a plan, jam as any one of my teammates jam it. So I saw because you know, the the quarterback, the backup, the defensive captain, the backup defensive captain, they had the air they had the air things from the coach. So I said, man, let me, let me, let me go online, let me get let me get them two things. But let me let me see if I can get me a bluetooth and connected to my nano from from Apple. Yeah, do that. I can just I can just jam it and my ears and nothing. It's just on my helmet. Yeah, it's just on my helmet. So man, I wind up doing that. I said, Man, let me try to let me try to train the camp, try to train. The camp was already just getting a signal from the sideline, so I didn't really need to. And we've been playing with each other for like hey, yeah, so we're all exactly. So I wound up. I said, oh, man, as long as I keep this charge, I can play ball in jail. At the same time, it was up. That's my whole life. Training really is right there, man, that's brilliant, right. So I always heard it and I always thought like he had the AirPods. He ain't got put him in the here. I ain't really think about what I'm saying. You don't got it all hooked up. Yeah, Yeah, that's what's up. You're an innovator, man, looks it's gonna be it's gonna be more like you to come. I'm saying, I'm telling you, but I ain't talking. I ain't talk about it too after I retired because I ain't gonna get h boy the trumble like I didn't do it on my own, something like, man, you know what you're doing. You said, oh wait, no I did. I did it for four years. So two thousand ten to the time I retired, I was just five years. I was just jam. This is all, was just jam. That's what's up, baby. Hey. I appreciate it, my boy. I ain't gonna hold you, man, gonna finish that workout, man, I'm saying, what's that sweat? Take care of that body, baby, he t man. I appreciate you, but good watching on TV man, keep commentating doing your damn thing. Bro. Always been a pleasant just watching you. Ain't no flies on me. If nobody didn't know no better man, you was a personality in that secondary. I don't care who. I don't care who you played with like y'all. Y'all had some dogs, but she was definitely the personality and that secondary. So it's always good seeing the dog from another dog playing hand his business for a long term. You already know, baby, Hey, I appreciate you anytime you got anything going. Man, we got a great platform to man, we break that ship. You already know. Appreciate that. Hell yeah, take care of