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We're gonna get his opinion on Hall of Fame and you know, and what do you think Hall of Fame? Man? We see guys who played four years. We see guys who played fourteen years. We see guys with Super Bowls. We see guys with no Super Bowls. We see guys with a bunch of playoff appearances, no super Bowls. We see vocal you know, vocal coach like leaders. We see quiet guys who really don't really don't speak at all. Right, we see all kind of players. Man, So what make up a Hall of Fame players? Is it his stats? Is it his Super Bowls? His wins, his All Pros, his Pro Bowls? I mean, what is it? What is it? Is it what his teammates and his coaches think about him? My opinion on Hall of Fame? And I'm saying, you gotta be one of the best at your position for the majority of your career. Now, your career can be three to three years, four years, and if it is short like that, then your career better looked like Terrell David's career. Right. So, I feel like the less the less you do in the regular season, the shorter of your career, is the more big game production that you need, right TD going crazy in the playoffs, crazy and the chip. So I feel like that if you don't play that many. You don't play that, you don't play that many seasons. Big game production gotta be there next box. I think you gotta win, man. You gotta have some playoff wins. You gotta have some super Bowls, some big games. You gotta be the only game on TV and go on HAM at some point, right and if you don't, if you an't got them big games, super Bowls, playoffs, I think your career gotta look like Calvin Johnson's, right. I think Calvin played in a few playoff games, but not not too many big games. But we see how cold he is here. First ballot guy, best receiver, IVY played guaranteed Hall of Fame. I think you gotta affect a week. I think you gotta affect the game all week. I think the opposing coaches do opposing coaches get ready for you all week? Man? Do they gotta know you at all week? Like like Charles Woodson, Like like Dr Sanders, You had to know it, Dion following, Is Charles gonna play the slot? Is he on the left, on the right? We gotta know where he had before. We just come out throwing comebacks and corner rocks and stuff. Right. So do the team other team gotta get ready for you? Do they gotta get ready for you all week? Man? I think that's that's important. Man. I think your role on the team, if you behind the scenes, it's one of the real leaders on the team. If if when they talk about this team went making this playoff run or this team winning this super Bowl, if they can't tell that story without you. You know what I'm saying. I think I think that's a crucial part, man, Just your role on the team, if you wanted to coach like players on the team, I think that's the player of major part and you getting votes. Uh So where you draw the line, man, where you draw the line that separate a good slash great player from a Hall of Famer? That's another question, right Man? We got ogs like Prim. He's saying that they're letting. They're letting any and everybody in nine days. Man, what I'm saying. So that kind of gave me nerves. I always think about like when Prim say that ship, who are you talking about? So I checked the last three classes, right, checked the last three Hall of Fame classes. Twenty nineteen had Champ Bailey, Tony Gonzalez, Kevin Mawa, Ty Law ver Reid, Has, Steve Atwater, Isaac Bruce, Steve Hudgison ed and James Troy Potter. Malu one is last class man you had Alan Fannica, John Lynch, Calvin Johnson, Drew Pearson, Charles Woods and paying Manny. Not even the players I ain't name, like the contributors to coaches. These just the players. Prime couldn't have been talking about none of those guys. Man, them guys. It's real deserving, real worthy guys in my opinion. Man, So it's tough. Man. You got the O g s saying they're letting too many people in. Man, I don't know. I think about it a lot because I wanted to be in the Hall of Fame, right. I want to go to Hall of Fame one day. I try to compare myself to the guys who win, the guys who are going, but ship I don't know vote and I get kind of nervous because before Hall of Fame, it's only one guy in this whole decade two thousand, it's only one guy who got ten interceptions to the crib and he didn't even make all decade. That's our kids to League. He didn't even make the All decade team. So if he not all decade, how can he be your Hall of Fame? Right? So that's that's that's what's on my mind. That's how I think. Now, Now this this one guy who got ten interceptions to the crib since two thousand, he don't make all decade and like he trashed and the't like he got eleven picks, ten of him to the crib. He got thirty forty picks. He got Super Bowls, he got all pros, Pro Bowls, he got all the accolades, man, but he didn't make all decade. Man. So I get nervous when I see guys like Rende Harbor not in the Hall of Fame. And now I know he got time. He still got time. He didn't go first ballot, He's still got time. He's still making get in. When I see guys like Asante Samuel not in the Hall of Fame, yet I get nervous personally. Man. And when I see those guys on the sideline, I heard Dion say, and they're letting too many people in that balance is it? I don't know what's going on, man, So should more guys get in? That's another question. Should less guys get in? Should players and coaches be the ones who voting? Because I mean, you know right now, it's media guys who vote. They follow the game, man, they follow it with with a microscope to many, they see how we act in the locker room, but they only see really. You take a beat writer from from from from Denver, he only he only really see what's going on in Denver. You know what I'm saying. You know, you don't really get the four rundown to somebody. He didn't really cover, you know what I'm saying. So should the players should appears vote? Should the players and the coaches be one's voting? Man, it's all a big question mark in my opinion. Man, One day, hope lead get to get there. Man. I hope I put in enough work. Hope my project was nice enough to get in there. Man. But we'll see, man, But we're gonna see what Isaac Bruce think about it. And saying we got that interview coming up next, what does it take to be a Hall of Famer? My takes for the week, we're Catching Phase. Y'all stay tuned. Catching Phase is proud to be presented by FanDuel. Never play fan Duel Fantasy before great. FanDuel is offering up to five hundred dollars bonus instantly when you make your first deposit with our deposit match. Why do you play FanDuel? I play fan door for the fantasy easy to use out. 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So if the game means more to you, download the Free Action Network app and start betting smarter catching phase. I keep to leave here. Man, you got a Hall of Famer in the building to day super Bowl champion, Folk time pro bowler Isaac Bruce's up, baby, what's going on? Man? How y'all doing all good? All good? How you man? I'm good man, blessed? Uh, everything's well and here in South Florida and join the rainy season right now. Definitely definitely blessed, definitely blessed. Man. You got that got that got that call? Or what is it? You tell me? Is it a call? Is it a not? Like how you get the news man? Hall of Fame? Well, what you don't want is the call. Uh. If you get the call, you know they're they're calling to let you know you know better better, better luck next year. But no, you don't want to call. You want to hear the big pounding of President David Baker's right fist bound pounding on your door. So that's that's normally how you get the news. Yeah, we found out that way. That's what's up, man. So you get that, you get the not last year, man, crazy year, couldn't celebrate it. You get to celebrate it this year though, man. With So how they're doing that is it's both of y'all that one ceremony or they got the day split up on how they're doing that. Yeah, it's gonna be the full weekend beginning August four, uh, ending August ninth. So what's happening is twenties in triment is that Saturday night, and in Triments will be that uh Sunday night. So they're going to combine the two groups. They're calling it twice. It's fun and twenty one it should be. It should be something to behold man, you know, considering where it is, a central location of Ohio and and uh, the guys that are being inducted, especially my class. You've got about three Pittsburgh Steelers and oh yeah some names on that next night. Man, it's gonna be a packed house. So it'll be fun. That's what's up. That's what's up. So I will be there, man, I got the invite from Manny know what I'm saying. I was one of the lucky ones on the team who got to invite to come join the party. Man, So I will be there on Sunday for the festivities. But you want to share, you want to share it all with your fans or something. What you got going on with that? Oh yeah, man, you know a partnership with less Engage. Uh, And it's let's let's engage dot com slash Isaac. That's an opportunity. It's a sweet states man. You just enter for ten dollars and the winner gets a round trip tickets to the to the enstrinment from wherever you are, three nights stay at the hotel and if you ever been to Canton, a three nights stay at the hotel. Man, it can run you, especially on ensrinement weekend, it can run you a pretty nice penny. But at the same time, and so we're covering that and have an opportunity, man, to meet some of my coaches, my former teammates families and have an opportunity to go to in trinement and my private party afterwards. So man, it's a sweet deal, you know, not only for RAM fans, but just for football fans in general. Man, y'all heard it right there? Man, ten Hollis. You know what I'm saying. Opportunity for a hell of a night. Man, it's gonna be. If you don't think there's gonna be a hell of a night, you crazy, man, it's gonna I know, at least I know Sunday when me and t J and Chris we come up there for Hey, we're gonna have a hell of a night for pay. Man. I already know how, But congrats on that, man, that's what's up. Man. Let's let's get into a little bit of uh what got you to that Hall of fame? Man, So you're a Florida boy, right absolutely, Man, South Florida be exact. So how you how you how you get out of Florida to go to college? Man? Little Juico involved there, Man, tell us about that little that little, that little story. Well, I was one of those guys that didn't qualify academically, so I took the route, took a different journey. I went from uh, southern Florida to southern California the age of seventeen and ended up at West l A College initially, and from there I transferred to Sound of Monica City College, and uh, you know it's my alma mater, Uh, Chad Johnson, Steve Smith, that's our our alma mater. And you know, ended up getting recruited by Memphis to go to Memphis for two years and played there, man, and ended up being right back drafted by the Los Angeles Rams. So I had a different journey, conventional one to say the least. But UM enjoyed every moment of that's what's up, that's what's upped. Man. So when you when you had when you be ineligible like that, would you say, looking back on it, it was was it school tough for you? Or or would you just you know, when your priorities somewhere else? Man? Just my kids watching my show, So I want him to hear hear Hall of Famer on why he had to go to rock that he had to go. Yeah, well, I said it was more just being lazy. I was a slugger as far as academics were concerned. Um, you know, my my parents did push it. But at the same time me, I was more focused on uh football and just having fun at that time. So when it came time to to qualify academically as far as the standardized test, you know, I scored right under the seven hundred amount that we needed way back when and just didn't make it. Man. But you know, I think my dream and my ability to uh really maximize the gift that God gave me. Man. You know, it overshadowed not being able to be eligible for freshman football as far as Division one is concerned. So um, I felt like just keeping my eye on that prize, man, kept my kept my journey alive. And it's amazing how God just kept placing people in my life to help that that dream stay a lie. Hell yeah, that's that's what's up. I already knew the answer is if you if you're the greatest song on turf, if you can learn that ship, then I know you can learn math one on one or whatever it was. I just want my kids to hear, because I got I'm saying, they get lazy a little bit, and I want them to just hear, like you know, absolutely from from a Hall of famer. So man, we fast forward a little bit. Boom, you go second round to the rams. Uh. That first year start off slow by, like you know what I'm saying, three tubs, a little light, but that second year is you start going crazy. Man. So what you think the biggest difference was from Yr one or year two. What what made you spark? You start going crazy like that? Uh? You know what I had? I had great mentors that were in the locker room with Jesse ester Man. He played about twelve seasons in the league, drafted by Indianapolis, and then came to the Rams my rookie year. Not only him, but but Flipper Anderson Man, I mean, one of the most underrated wide receivers ever to play in our league. He did amazing things on the football field. So I had those guys to really start really to teach me that first year and my rookie year. I don't think I really started to settle in about week eight, and after week eight Man, I started starting the second half of games and getting really comfortable in my own skin and my ability to read a defense and really adjust to what was being thrown in front of me. After that, I tore my m c L about week twelve, and the next four weeks I was just on the sideline, still going to meetings, still getting mental reps, which I believe is most important, and I really started creating a vision for myself. At the end of that my rookie year as far as you know, the position was because so I just you know, took out pad and pencil just really started writing who I wanted to be as a football player, and uh, you know one of the things I wrote down just to be the best number eight in California. That was that was my goal. So um, you know, started verbalizing it. And from there, Man, over that summer, you know, I started getting stronger, start getting faster. By the time I came back for spring, Man, it was it was pretty much, you know, I couldn't be covered and wouldn't be covered. Always could catch the ball, but as far as getting off the line of scriments and just really eating up cushion, you know, those those things started to really just uh, you know come to fruition for me. And uh, I just had the mentality I just couldn't be covered and you needed two guys to cover. Oh yeah, yeah, definitely they definitely needed two guys to cover you guys show. But uh so what what year did what year did Mike Martin's come around for you? And? Uh talk about that system, man, what was what was different about that system? What? Because you almost was on to hit another gear? What I'm saying when we talked about that greatesh On Turst type says, yeah, Well, I met Coach Marks my rookie year. He was the quarterback coach that year. And after Chuck Knox retired and we go to St. Louis, Coach Marks he became my position coach. And you know, I credited him with a lot of uh, you know, giving me quarterback eyes all right, taught me how to watch film, taught me what what guys to watch in and and the way that they played and the way they would come off the line of scrimmage or how they wouldn't waste time or waste waste movement getting in and out their breaks, and that was big for me. And uh, like I said, it really helped my confidence that second year to the point where I was I was right on the same page with Chris Miller, who was my my quarterback at that time, and man, we we just started off on fire, and uh it just went completely through that that that five season, which is the season I called the Year of the wide receiver in the NFL because you had five or six guys that went over a hundred catches fifteen hundred yards and uh yeah, it was. It was a big year for for white receivers. That's what's ups. So so when did when did y'all become like that that greatest on turfing? And what you say, like, well, what's the moments or the time when he was like, man, this it right here we got a real chance with something special. Man Like, when did y'all become that? Well, I say from ninety four till about Uh, man, we were terrible. I mean we were pretty much the Uh it was between um, let's see Cincinnati and I believe the New Orleans Saints to where the crown of the losing team of teams of the nineteen nineties thus far. And uh, Marshall Folk he was over in Indy. He was doing this thing. Uh you know, Tory Hope, he was in college at that time. No one knew who Kurt Warner was. Um, he was at the absolutely he was probably you know, doing this thing. Um. From there, you know, you can you can start seeing some of the signings. Uh. First of all, you you bring in Marshall from Indie, and right there I knew we were legit. I mean, he just he just had that ability to run in between the tackles outside the tackles and then he can line up and play receiver. He could have been a third receiver in the NFL if he wanted to. Uh. Just yeah, his knowledge is his ability to read a defense and just just his awareness of the game. Man, I don't think it was matched by a lot of people I've played with. But you know, we draft Tory Hope, and Tory just just tore up the A C C H his senior year, and you bring in an Adam Adam Timberman from Green Bay. We already had big old, big old pace and Trent Green, I mean Trent Green was a guy that came back to the Rams with Coach Marks as the offensive coordinate at that time, and he was given the keys to what I what I called was a Rose Royce and that summer man. Just on paper, I thought we were legit. We were legit offense because it was the first time in training camp in my five years is that I had been there, that we could score pretty easily on our defense team. Up to that point, we were a defensive football team. And being able to move the ball easy, um, being able to score on our defense with ease, that let me know that we had a group of guys that we were ready to do something within our own division at that time, and I was excited about it. Oh yeah, that's that's what's ups. So, like you said, having having Marshal and toward there, you felt like that kind of took some of the pressure off you, because I mean, before that this ship, it was it's your show, what I'm saying, bring them to guys, And you felt like that kind of tooks on the pressure off you. Absolutely. I always thought that up to that point. Uh, the rams were only interesting, Uh you know, just having probably one offensive superstar at that time. You talk about Eric Dixon, you know, it wasn't much around him until you brought in Henry Ella. And you know you had drown Bettest the first year, you know, two years before I got there, and he was just the guy you give it to him thirty five thirty six times a game and let it on stink. And for me, it was like that for me to two seasons, and that weirds on you, man. I mean, because you know, teams can can roll that coverage over to you, they can beat you up in the line of scrimmage and have another guy waiting for you there. But when you go out and draft Tory Hope. Man, that just lets you know that, Okay, now we're trying to win, we're trying to do something a little different than what we had done in the past. Yeah, definitely, definitely is teams had them two receivers. Man, it's it's now we now we gotta talk and meetings on Wednesday and Thursday. We gotta really get this plan together. They got one receiver, and you know, I get the game plan. Coach, I'm gonna go to some breakfast man, like, we're gonna doubly. We already know we're gonna doubly main too much to talk about. Whoever the other guy is. You got the one on one and that's what it is, what I'm saying. So absolutely you bring a Tory hard on the other side. It definitely it definitely changed the playing field. But who are some of the corners. Who are some of the corners used to like to go against back then? Man, oh man, I had a I had a budding rivalry with Ashley Ambrose, Ray Bu Cannon, guys like, uh, it was a couple of guys Tim McDonald, Merton Hanks, uh, Eric Davis. Man, these guys you know, they played a lot of football and a lot of meaningful football, and you know, we would just go at it when we played, I mean down in Atlanta, anytime we went to New Orleans. These guys who are in our division and we we just go at it. There's there's a lot of guys that are under radar guys, but we're really great corners. Eric Allen's one of them. Man. Uh, you know who could read routs and jump rousing. You had to be really careful with your running versus guys like like Eric Allen, so uh, he was in New Orleans at the time. And and man, you see how teams started to really adjust their drafts versus what we were doing as far as the Greatest Show on Turface concerned. Man, they started, you know, drafting heavy on defense because they wanted to be able to slow that thing down. So um, you know, I think we kind of affected other teams that way and made him made him look at defense a little bit different. And at the same time, a lot of teams were trying to duplicate what we were doing on offense. Yeah, definitely, definitely. I say how it affected me. I started off, you know, I started off as my brother lives. You know what I'm saying, guinea pig, throw me the ball. I'm running slant throw it or he working on this quarterback running slam. I'm just the guinea pig. Right. So I kind of started off thinking I'm gonna be a running back. I'm gonna running back, man running back. And then when I seen that Greatest on Turf, Oh, I turned to the receiver like I'm a receiver. Now I'm gonna kiss the rock. So I definitely remember that. Man, It put receiver in my heart watching the offense for show. But who's some of the offenses you watched nine Days, man, and you feel like they hit They got the quarterback, they got the system, they got the two receivers, the running back. With some of the offense that that remind you of that Greatest on Turf Right now, Well, you gotta start off with Kansas City, man, I mean just with uh with my Homes being the quarterback, he can make every throw. He's smart, and you know, with with having a combination of offensive coordinator like Andy reid Man, I mean, you know, there there's no ceiling on what he can do. And you know when he has guys on the perimeter that are fast, Hardman being one of them, Uh Twike Twreke Evans treeke Hill being being the other guy. These guys are fast man and they take the top off the defense. And at the same time, sometimes you have to commit two guys to these guys and then you know you got a tight end like Kelsey Man. It's it's it's like, you know, choose your poison. I think the only thing, the only difference between that group and what we had is that you know, we can turn around and give it the Marsha times we can. We can we can go three tight ends and have one receiver out there and we can just really punish you without running game if you wanted to. Um. But you know, when you look at Kansas City, man, I mean I think they they're the closest thing that I see to what we were doing. Yeah, that's that's what's that's you know, as soon as I ask the quest and that's when I got on my head and I'm like, gotta be the chiefs. That's that's that's the closest thing that we've seen or is it any wide house in Nowaday's game to remind you of Isaac Bruce Um. There are some guys I love watching Keenan Allen. I love watching him. Man, He's a guy that's under the radar, but he makes such big plays be Hot and uh Arizona. I mean, he just does everything man. I mean I don't think he's the biggest guy, but he plays really big. Not the fastest neither correct. He's a deep threat, yes, And one thing about him, you know, uh similar to me, is he can get in and out of his brakes, you know, without really giving a defensive back or safety any kind of body language, which is key. So um, and he makes the tough catch. He makes those congested catches man that you know, every every team wants a guy like that. So guys like that. And I really like the new guy coming in, Davante Smith. I think he's Um. He's one of those guys that I feel like, you know, his ability and what he did in the SEC can translate translate over because you know he'll be playing the same personnel once he really gets seasoned in the league. So UM similar to him. I think he's very similar to Marvin Harrison as well. So those are the type guys I feel like that very similar to what I used to do. Definitely, definitely what I think Isaac Bruce. I think quickness, speed and rout running and catches finishes right, So my boat uh quickness last speed. You don't know if they're quick or if they fast, they're just moving. And then they got them crazy rous minus Odell and then the little old Dell's is justin. Jefferson, Calvin Ridley and Davonte Smith. They all in that same kind of boat to me, and I put them in that Isaac Bruce boat man. They like the Isaac Bruce type type receivers. So so when you're going against those guys, what do you do? What's your what's your mindset? Are you trying to get your hands on them? I hate going against them? Uh them know them the worst kind of I try to go against. But me, honestly, I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna go off that speed if he could run by me, and I'm I'm gonna try to I'm taking phase. I'm always taking phase away. But if he could run by me, by me, I'm gonna be deep first on my mind. But if he can't really run by me, I'm gonna try to get my hands on him quick and damn near being trail and not even really worried about him. I got I gotta I gotta be like a cheetah. He breaks, I gotta break type deal. So it just matter, man. And honestly, if I if I'm going to Isaac Bruce, I ain't gonna leave about the meeting room and to coach say all right, we doubling them. So yeah, we're doubling them right on this. We're gonna double them right on this. We're gonna I'm gonna get it straight. I might even let let the scout team receiver catch a couple of them, just so I can tell a where like see, way, look, if we don't double them, I do it like that. I do it on perfect, dictate the game, playing myself, right. I see it ain't gonna work. See it ain't gonna work. That's what I'm gonna try to do. So really, I'm I'm gonna make sure they don't get behind me. I'm gonna try to just keep guys like I'm gonna try to keep you in front of me. And I'm gonna just trying to be a great tackler that week. Man. That's really what I'm gonna trying to do for sure. Yeah, but yeah, man, So Hall of Fame. Man, the time is almost here. What we got another month before? Look, I'm saying week because I'm going there. So we got another month before we go out there, and uh and camp man, So the speech ready? Is the speech ready? Yet? You know what? Things like that, It kind of rights itself, man, because you know, when you think about your journey, you know, you just can't stop in the sixteen seasons that you played in the National Football League. It's everything before from from little league Pop Warner to uh your days uh in high school, from high school to junior college to Memphis uh to to the beginning of uh the Los Angeles Rams to the St. Louis Rams and too when I actually finished playing. So and like I keep saying, they were there were pockets and people there who are strategically placed, I believe, divinely placed. That that really helped me, man. So it's just it's just more of just really thinking them at a public venue and having that moment to really recognize those people fans, friends, family, and fans that really helped you to develop to the to the football player that you are, right right, So so Hall of Fame. You know deon Deon say, he said they're putting everybody in. Uh. What I'm saying what to you? To you? What what make a Hall of Famer? Man? What you gotta do to be a Hall of Famer? Well? You know, the first thing as a football player, Um, you know, the first thing that we look at, you know, is we're looking We're not looking for you to fear, to fear us. We're looking for you to respect us. From the moment you walk in that locker room. It's about respect to the moment that we're on the field competing against one one or another, It's about respect. Do I respect this guy? Or if you're my teammate and your cornerback and I'm a wide receiver, you know it? You know, can I respect the way you play on the field? Could do you compete? You know? If you don't compete, I don't think we're gonna have much of a friendship off the field. So Number one, that respect part of it. It's their number two. Um, your impact? Can you make impact for plays? Did you make impactful plays? What people? Uh? Can can the story be told about you about the game of football and includes you or not include you. So you know, the questions like that has to be answered and then you know, you have to look at your stats for me as as far as the wide receivers concerned. Man, you know, my question is did they have to double this guy? And if they did, I think that puts him on the path to the Hall of fame. And then if they doubled him, did he still produce? Uh? You know, does he still have you know, maybe nine hundred thousand catches? Uh his yards per catch? I mean those are things that I look at personally and you know, just the end result of it. What what do you do? Okay? Did you go to the playoffs? Did you make impactful plays in the playoffs? Did you go to Super Bowls? Did you play in Super Bowls? Did you make impactful plays in Super Bowls? So? Uh, when you had to follow around this where you had to follow this guy or pick him up from the airplane, you know, when he came to Denver or when he came to Los Angeles? Did you have to go with this guy everywhere he went? And how did you do against that guy? I mean, these things are you know, these things should be the criteria for guys who are being in trying to do I think they're putting guys in that shouldn't be there. I don't think so. I think these guys are deserving of the way they played the game. Um, you know my only my only issue is, you know, how do you determine the first ballot versus are none first ballot? So that's the only question I would have. Yeah, So that so your locker room presence, like if if you're the leader on the team and the confidence of our team is bread through this person, did that got anything to do with being in the Hall of Famer? I think it does. I mean it's one of those boxes that can be checked. You know, how, how did you impact your locker room in a positive way on a negative way? When when when you're on that you know, the league and the sixteen game season, it's a roller coaster, So when you're down at the bottom, you know, how, how did you make the team respond? Did you did you salt with them or did you remind them that you know, this is a roller coader, We're gonna be right back at the top pretty soon. And did you do that through your plate or just encouraging your team? So could you stand up in front of your guys and when you start speaking, will they all be be quiet? They may not agree with you, but they can respect you know, giving you the opportunity. Absolutely, can you get take that microphone and and speaking to your guys exactly? Man, every time Prim say this ship, I'd be wanting to call him, ask like, problem, when are you talking about Prime? What I'm saying? He must be Man, what I'm saying because everybody I see every year, the five or the seven guys who I see, I'm like they hall of famers, right, what I'm saying. So I don't know, I'm just you know, how how long? How long did you have to wait to get in? I waited? Uh? I finished playing in two thousand and ten, and my first year of eligibility was two thousand and fifteen. And yeah, I read I waited six seasons to get in. But but but once again, man, we played for respect. And you have selectors who have probably never put on a jockstrap, let's just be real, and they barely they barely know. They may know a beat writer for the Denver Broncos, but no, you inside and out within your same division, you know, you go play the Raiders. There's a there's another beat writer. He doesn't know too much about you. You know, he didn't see you every day, so he really can't really, you know, get to the podium and say anything. Uh quite at the same level as the Denver Broncos beat writer can about a key to leap, so you know, he kind of get that situation. Man. So that's why I'm thinking. You know, we got two former players that are in the selection committee right now. Not think it's a room for a lot more, because I think you know, former players, right, former players, former defensive coordinators from offensive coordinators. They should be in the room selecting guys, man, because they know I agree, I agree, I agree. Well, of course it leave leave got Hall of Fame dreams. Man, I love talk to Hall of famers. I'm saying a lot of talks to him. Pick their brain and see what they think before we get out of here. Man, one more time, tell it. Tell the fans, Tell the fans how they coun join you man, what they need to do. Yeah, Man, just uh just go to Let's engage. That's L E T S E N G A G E dot com slash Isaac Man So sweepstakes ten dollars to get you in uh real, real, real, nice prize. Man. I think it's if you're a football fan, you always gotta make it to you know, what's being called football Heaven up there in Canton, Ohio. Man. Just see the museum itself and just be around. Man, see where football started and some of the Greeks that have played the game. Man. So um, if you're a football pla fan, you definitely want to do that one time in your life. Now y'all heard it, man, let's engage you don't never man, pay that ten pull up with Isaac. Man, y'all might see leave out there on Sunday. I'm gonna be out there with paying. We're gonna have a great time, man, That's what's hey, Isaac. I appreciate it man. Congrats on the Hall of Fame, Congrats on everything. Man. I'm a big fan, always huge fan, man, and I appreciate you for coming on. This was fun man, Thank you. Hell. You appreciate how to take care of we're catching fades. 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We're gonna get his opinion on Hall of Fame and you know, and what do you think Hall of Fame? Man? We see guys who played four years. We see guys who played fourteen years. We see guys with Super Bowls. We see guys with no Super Bowls. We see guys with a bunch of playoff appearances, no super Bowls. We see vocal you know, vocal coach like leaders. We see quiet guys who really don't really don't speak at all. Right, we see all kind of players. Man, So what make up a Hall of Fame players? Is it his stats? Is it his Super Bowls? His wins, his All Pros, his Pro Bowls? I mean, what is it? What is it? Is it what his teammates and his coaches think about him? My opinion on Hall of Fame? And I'm saying, you gotta be one of the best at your position for the majority of your career. Now, your career can be three to three years, four years, and if it is short like that, then your career better looked like Terrell David's career. Right. So, I feel like the less the less you do in the regular season, the shorter of your career, is the more big game production that you need, right TD going crazy in the playoffs, crazy and the chip. So I feel like that if you don't play that many. You don't play that, you don't play that many seasons. Big game production gotta be there next box. I think you gotta win, man. You gotta have some playoff wins. You gotta have some super Bowls, some big games. You gotta be the only game on TV and go on HAM at some point, right and if you don't, if you an't got them big games, super Bowls, playoffs, I think your career gotta look like Calvin Johnson's, right. I think Calvin played in a few playoff games, but not not too many big games. But we see how cold he is here. First ballot guy, best receiver, IVY played guaranteed Hall of Fame. I think you gotta affect a week. I think you gotta affect the game all week. I think the opposing coaches do opposing coaches get ready for you all week? Man? Do they gotta know you at all week? Like like Charles Woodson, Like like Dr Sanders, You had to know it, Dion following, Is Charles gonna play the slot? Is he on the left, on the right? We gotta know where he had before. We just come out throwing comebacks and corner rocks and stuff. Right. So do the team other team gotta get ready for you? Do they gotta get ready for you all week? Man? I think that's that's important. Man. I think your role on the team, if you behind the scenes, it's one of the real leaders on the team. If if when they talk about this team went making this playoff run or this team winning this super Bowl, if they can't tell that story without you. You know what I'm saying. I think I think that's a crucial part, man, Just your role on the team, if you wanted to coach like players on the team, I think that's the player of major part and you getting votes. Uh So where you draw the line, man, where you draw the line that separate a good slash great player from a Hall of Famer? That's another question, right Man? We got ogs like Prim. He's saying that they're letting. They're letting any and everybody in nine days. Man, what I'm saying. So that kind of gave me nerves. I always think about like when Prim say that ship, who are you talking about? So I checked the last three classes, right, checked the last three Hall of Fame classes. Twenty nineteen had Champ Bailey, Tony Gonzalez, Kevin Mawa, Ty Law ver Reid, Has, Steve Atwater, Isaac Bruce, Steve Hudgison ed and James Troy Potter. Malu one is last class man you had Alan Fannica, John Lynch, Calvin Johnson, Drew Pearson, Charles Woods and paying Manny. Not even the players I ain't name, like the contributors to coaches. These just the players. Prime couldn't have been talking about none of those guys. Man, them guys. It's real deserving, real worthy guys in my opinion. Man, So it's tough. Man. You got the O g s saying they're letting too many people in. Man, I don't know. I think about it a lot because I wanted to be in the Hall of Fame, right. I want to go to Hall of Fame one day. I try to compare myself to the guys who win, the guys who are going, but ship I don't know vote and I get kind of nervous because before Hall of Fame, it's only one guy in this whole decade two thousand, it's only one guy who got ten interceptions to the crib and he didn't even make all decade. That's our kids to League. He didn't even make the All decade team. So if he not all decade, how can he be your Hall of Fame? Right? So that's that's that's what's on my mind. That's how I think. Now, Now this this one guy who got ten interceptions to the crib since two thousand, he don't make all decade and like he trashed and the't like he got eleven picks, ten of him to the crib. He got thirty forty picks. He got Super Bowls, he got all pros, Pro Bowls, he got all the accolades, man, but he didn't make all decade. Man. So I get nervous when I see guys like Rende Harbor not in the Hall of Fame. And now I know he got time. He still got time. He didn't go first ballot, He's still got time. He's still making get in. When I see guys like Asante Samuel not in the Hall of Fame, yet I get nervous personally. Man. And when I see those guys on the sideline, I heard Dion say, and they're letting too many people in that balance is it? I don't know what's going on, man, So should more guys get in? That's another question. Should less guys get in? Should players and coaches be the ones who voting? Because I mean, you know right now, it's media guys who vote. They follow the game, man, they follow it with with a microscope to many, they see how we act in the locker room, but they only see really. You take a beat writer from from from from Denver, he only he only really see what's going on in Denver. You know what I'm saying. You know, you don't really get the four rundown to somebody. He didn't really cover, you know what I'm saying. So should the players should appears vote? Should the players and the coaches be one's voting? Man, it's all a big question mark in my opinion. Man, One day, hope lead get to get there. Man. I hope I put in enough work. Hope my project was nice enough to get in there. Man. But we'll see, man, But we're gonna see what Isaac Bruce think about it. And saying we got that interview coming up next, what does it take to be a Hall of Famer? My takes for the week, we're Catching Phase. Y'all stay tuned. Catching Phase is proud to be presented by FanDuel. Never play fan Duel Fantasy before great. FanDuel is offering up to five hundred dollars bonus instantly when you make your first deposit with our deposit match. Why do you play FanDuel? I play fan door for the fantasy easy to use out. 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So if the game means more to you, download the Free Action Network app and start betting smarter catching phase. I keep to leave here. Man, you got a Hall of Famer in the building to day super Bowl champion, Folk time pro bowler Isaac Bruce's up, baby, what's going on? Man? How y'all doing all good? All good? How you man? I'm good man, blessed? Uh, everything's well and here in South Florida and join the rainy season right now. Definitely definitely blessed, definitely blessed. Man. You got that got that got that call? Or what is it? You tell me? Is it a call? Is it a not? Like how you get the news man? Hall of Fame? Well, what you don't want is the call. Uh. If you get the call, you know they're they're calling to let you know you know better better, better luck next year. But no, you don't want to call. You want to hear the big pounding of President David Baker's right fist bound pounding on your door. So that's that's normally how you get the news. Yeah, we found out that way. That's what's up, man. So you get that, you get the not last year, man, crazy year, couldn't celebrate it. You get to celebrate it this year though, man. With So how they're doing that is it's both of y'all that one ceremony or they got the day split up on how they're doing that. Yeah, it's gonna be the full weekend beginning August four, uh, ending August ninth. So what's happening is twenties in triment is that Saturday night, and in Triments will be that uh Sunday night. So they're going to combine the two groups. They're calling it twice. It's fun and twenty one it should be. It should be something to behold man, you know, considering where it is, a central location of Ohio and and uh, the guys that are being inducted, especially my class. You've got about three Pittsburgh Steelers and oh yeah some names on that next night. Man, it's gonna be a packed house. So it'll be fun. That's what's up. That's what's up. So I will be there, man, I got the invite from Manny know what I'm saying. I was one of the lucky ones on the team who got to invite to come join the party. Man, So I will be there on Sunday for the festivities. But you want to share, you want to share it all with your fans or something. What you got going on with that? Oh yeah, man, you know a partnership with less Engage. Uh, And it's let's let's engage dot com slash Isaac. That's an opportunity. It's a sweet states man. You just enter for ten dollars and the winner gets a round trip tickets to the to the enstrinment from wherever you are, three nights stay at the hotel and if you ever been to Canton, a three nights stay at the hotel. Man, it can run you, especially on ensrinement weekend, it can run you a pretty nice penny. But at the same time, and so we're covering that and have an opportunity, man, to meet some of my coaches, my former teammates families and have an opportunity to go to in trinement and my private party afterwards. So man, it's a sweet deal, you know, not only for RAM fans, but just for football fans in general. Man, y'all heard it right there? Man, ten Hollis. You know what I'm saying. Opportunity for a hell of a night. Man, it's gonna be. If you don't think there's gonna be a hell of a night, you crazy, man, it's gonna I know, at least I know Sunday when me and t J and Chris we come up there for Hey, we're gonna have a hell of a night for pay. Man. I already know how, But congrats on that, man, that's what's up. Man. Let's let's get into a little bit of uh what got you to that Hall of fame? Man, So you're a Florida boy, right absolutely, Man, South Florida be exact. So how you how you how you get out of Florida to go to college? Man? Little Juico involved there, Man, tell us about that little that little, that little story. Well, I was one of those guys that didn't qualify academically, so I took the route, took a different journey. I went from uh, southern Florida to southern California the age of seventeen and ended up at West l A College initially, and from there I transferred to Sound of Monica City College, and uh, you know it's my alma mater, Uh, Chad Johnson, Steve Smith, that's our our alma mater. And you know, ended up getting recruited by Memphis to go to Memphis for two years and played there, man, and ended up being right back drafted by the Los Angeles Rams. So I had a different journey, conventional one to say the least. But UM enjoyed every moment of that's what's up, that's what's upped. Man. So when you when you had when you be ineligible like that, would you say, looking back on it, it was was it school tough for you? Or or would you just you know, when your priorities somewhere else? Man? Just my kids watching my show, So I want him to hear hear Hall of Famer on why he had to go to rock that he had to go. Yeah, well, I said it was more just being lazy. I was a slugger as far as academics were concerned. Um, you know, my my parents did push it. But at the same time me, I was more focused on uh football and just having fun at that time. So when it came time to to qualify academically as far as the standardized test, you know, I scored right under the seven hundred amount that we needed way back when and just didn't make it. Man. But you know, I think my dream and my ability to uh really maximize the gift that God gave me. Man. You know, it overshadowed not being able to be eligible for freshman football as far as Division one is concerned. So um, I felt like just keeping my eye on that prize, man, kept my kept my journey alive. And it's amazing how God just kept placing people in my life to help that that dream stay a lie. Hell yeah, that's that's what's up. I already knew the answer is if you if you're the greatest song on turf, if you can learn that ship, then I know you can learn math one on one or whatever it was. I just want my kids to hear, because I got I'm saying, they get lazy a little bit, and I want them to just hear, like you know, absolutely from from a Hall of famer. So man, we fast forward a little bit. Boom, you go second round to the rams. Uh. That first year start off slow by, like you know what I'm saying, three tubs, a little light, but that second year is you start going crazy. Man. So what you think the biggest difference was from Yr one or year two. What what made you spark? You start going crazy like that? Uh? You know what I had? I had great mentors that were in the locker room with Jesse ester Man. He played about twelve seasons in the league, drafted by Indianapolis, and then came to the Rams my rookie year. Not only him, but but Flipper Anderson Man, I mean, one of the most underrated wide receivers ever to play in our league. He did amazing things on the football field. So I had those guys to really start really to teach me that first year and my rookie year. I don't think I really started to settle in about week eight, and after week eight Man, I started starting the second half of games and getting really comfortable in my own skin and my ability to read a defense and really adjust to what was being thrown in front of me. After that, I tore my m c L about week twelve, and the next four weeks I was just on the sideline, still going to meetings, still getting mental reps, which I believe is most important, and I really started creating a vision for myself. At the end of that my rookie year as far as you know, the position was because so I just you know, took out pad and pencil just really started writing who I wanted to be as a football player, and uh, you know one of the things I wrote down just to be the best number eight in California. That was that was my goal. So um, you know, started verbalizing it. And from there, Man, over that summer, you know, I started getting stronger, start getting faster. By the time I came back for spring, Man, it was it was pretty much, you know, I couldn't be covered and wouldn't be covered. Always could catch the ball, but as far as getting off the line of scriments and just really eating up cushion, you know, those those things started to really just uh, you know come to fruition for me. And uh, I just had the mentality I just couldn't be covered and you needed two guys to cover. Oh yeah, yeah, definitely they definitely needed two guys to cover you guys show. But uh so what what year did what year did Mike Martin's come around for you? And? Uh talk about that system, man, what was what was different about that system? What? Because you almost was on to hit another gear? What I'm saying when we talked about that greatesh On Turst type says, yeah, Well, I met Coach Marks my rookie year. He was the quarterback coach that year. And after Chuck Knox retired and we go to St. Louis, Coach Marks he became my position coach. And you know, I credited him with a lot of uh, you know, giving me quarterback eyes all right, taught me how to watch film, taught me what what guys to watch in and and the way that they played and the way they would come off the line of scrimmage or how they wouldn't waste time or waste waste movement getting in and out their breaks, and that was big for me. And uh, like I said, it really helped my confidence that second year to the point where I was I was right on the same page with Chris Miller, who was my my quarterback at that time, and man, we we just started off on fire, and uh it just went completely through that that that five season, which is the season I called the Year of the wide receiver in the NFL because you had five or six guys that went over a hundred catches fifteen hundred yards and uh yeah, it was. It was a big year for for white receivers. That's what's ups. So so when did when did y'all become like that that greatest on turfing? And what you say, like, well, what's the moments or the time when he was like, man, this it right here we got a real chance with something special. Man Like, when did y'all become that? Well, I say from ninety four till about Uh, man, we were terrible. I mean we were pretty much the Uh it was between um, let's see Cincinnati and I believe the New Orleans Saints to where the crown of the losing team of teams of the nineteen nineties thus far. And uh, Marshall Folk he was over in Indy. He was doing this thing. Uh you know, Tory Hope, he was in college at that time. No one knew who Kurt Warner was. Um, he was at the absolutely he was probably you know, doing this thing. Um. From there, you know, you can you can start seeing some of the signings. Uh. First of all, you you bring in Marshall from Indie, and right there I knew we were legit. I mean, he just he just had that ability to run in between the tackles outside the tackles and then he can line up and play receiver. He could have been a third receiver in the NFL if he wanted to. Uh. Just yeah, his knowledge is his ability to read a defense and just just his awareness of the game. Man, I don't think it was matched by a lot of people I've played with. But you know, we draft Tory Hope, and Tory just just tore up the A C C H his senior year, and you bring in an Adam Adam Timberman from Green Bay. We already had big old, big old pace and Trent Green, I mean Trent Green was a guy that came back to the Rams with Coach Marks as the offensive coordinate at that time, and he was given the keys to what I what I called was a Rose Royce and that summer man. Just on paper, I thought we were legit. We were legit offense because it was the first time in training camp in my five years is that I had been there, that we could score pretty easily on our defense team. Up to that point, we were a defensive football team. And being able to move the ball easy, um, being able to score on our defense with ease, that let me know that we had a group of guys that we were ready to do something within our own division at that time, and I was excited about it. Oh yeah, that's that's what's ups. So, like you said, having having Marshal and toward there, you felt like that kind of took some of the pressure off you, because I mean, before that this ship, it was it's your show, what I'm saying, bring them to guys, And you felt like that kind of tooks on the pressure off you. Absolutely. I always thought that up to that point. Uh, the rams were only interesting, Uh you know, just having probably one offensive superstar at that time. You talk about Eric Dixon, you know, it wasn't much around him until you brought in Henry Ella. And you know you had drown Bettest the first year, you know, two years before I got there, and he was just the guy you give it to him thirty five thirty six times a game and let it on stink. And for me, it was like that for me to two seasons, and that weirds on you, man. I mean, because you know, teams can can roll that coverage over to you, they can beat you up in the line of scrimmage and have another guy waiting for you there. But when you go out and draft Tory Hope. Man, that just lets you know that, Okay, now we're trying to win, we're trying to do something a little different than what we had done in the past. Yeah, definitely, definitely is teams had them two receivers. Man, it's it's now we now we gotta talk and meetings on Wednesday and Thursday. We gotta really get this plan together. They got one receiver, and you know, I get the game plan. Coach, I'm gonna go to some breakfast man, like, we're gonna doubly. We already know we're gonna doubly main too much to talk about. Whoever the other guy is. You got the one on one and that's what it is, what I'm saying. So absolutely you bring a Tory hard on the other side. It definitely it definitely changed the playing field. But who are some of the corners. Who are some of the corners used to like to go against back then? Man, oh man, I had a I had a budding rivalry with Ashley Ambrose, Ray Bu Cannon, guys like, uh, it was a couple of guys Tim McDonald, Merton Hanks, uh, Eric Davis. Man, these guys you know, they played a lot of football and a lot of meaningful football, and you know, we would just go at it when we played, I mean down in Atlanta, anytime we went to New Orleans. These guys who are in our division and we we just go at it. There's there's a lot of guys that are under radar guys, but we're really great corners. Eric Allen's one of them. Man. Uh, you know who could read routs and jump rousing. You had to be really careful with your running versus guys like like Eric Allen, so uh, he was in New Orleans at the time. And and man, you see how teams started to really adjust their drafts versus what we were doing as far as the Greatest Show on Turface concerned. Man, they started, you know, drafting heavy on defense because they wanted to be able to slow that thing down. So um, you know, I think we kind of affected other teams that way and made him made him look at defense a little bit different. And at the same time, a lot of teams were trying to duplicate what we were doing on offense. Yeah, definitely, definitely. I say how it affected me. I started off, you know, I started off as my brother lives. You know what I'm saying, guinea pig, throw me the ball. I'm running slant throw it or he working on this quarterback running slam. I'm just the guinea pig. Right. So I kind of started off thinking I'm gonna be a running back. I'm gonna running back, man running back. And then when I seen that Greatest on Turf, Oh, I turned to the receiver like I'm a receiver. Now I'm gonna kiss the rock. So I definitely remember that. Man, It put receiver in my heart watching the offense for show. But who's some of the offenses you watched nine Days, man, and you feel like they hit They got the quarterback, they got the system, they got the two receivers, the running back. With some of the offense that that remind you of that Greatest on Turf Right now, Well, you gotta start off with Kansas City, man, I mean just with uh with my Homes being the quarterback, he can make every throw. He's smart, and you know, with with having a combination of offensive coordinator like Andy reid Man, I mean, you know, there there's no ceiling on what he can do. And you know when he has guys on the perimeter that are fast, Hardman being one of them, Uh Twike Twreke Evans treeke Hill being being the other guy. These guys are fast man and they take the top off the defense. And at the same time, sometimes you have to commit two guys to these guys and then you know you got a tight end like Kelsey Man. It's it's it's like, you know, choose your poison. I think the only thing, the only difference between that group and what we had is that you know, we can turn around and give it the Marsha times we can. We can we can go three tight ends and have one receiver out there and we can just really punish you without running game if you wanted to. Um. But you know, when you look at Kansas City, man, I mean I think they they're the closest thing that I see to what we were doing. Yeah, that's that's what's that's you know, as soon as I ask the quest and that's when I got on my head and I'm like, gotta be the chiefs. That's that's that's the closest thing that we've seen or is it any wide house in Nowaday's game to remind you of Isaac Bruce Um. There are some guys I love watching Keenan Allen. I love watching him. Man, He's a guy that's under the radar, but he makes such big plays be Hot and uh Arizona. I mean, he just does everything man. I mean I don't think he's the biggest guy, but he plays really big. Not the fastest neither correct. He's a deep threat, yes, And one thing about him, you know, uh similar to me, is he can get in and out of his brakes, you know, without really giving a defensive back or safety any kind of body language, which is key. So um, and he makes the tough catch. He makes those congested catches man that you know, every every team wants a guy like that. So guys like that. And I really like the new guy coming in, Davante Smith. I think he's Um. He's one of those guys that I feel like, you know, his ability and what he did in the SEC can translate translate over because you know he'll be playing the same personnel once he really gets seasoned in the league. So UM similar to him. I think he's very similar to Marvin Harrison as well. So those are the type guys I feel like that very similar to what I used to do. Definitely, definitely what I think Isaac Bruce. I think quickness, speed and rout running and catches finishes right, So my boat uh quickness last speed. You don't know if they're quick or if they fast, they're just moving. And then they got them crazy rous minus Odell and then the little old Dell's is justin. Jefferson, Calvin Ridley and Davonte Smith. They all in that same kind of boat to me, and I put them in that Isaac Bruce boat man. They like the Isaac Bruce type type receivers. So so when you're going against those guys, what do you do? What's your what's your mindset? Are you trying to get your hands on them? I hate going against them? Uh them know them the worst kind of I try to go against. But me, honestly, I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna go off that speed if he could run by me, and I'm I'm gonna try to I'm taking phase. I'm always taking phase away. But if he could run by me, by me, I'm gonna be deep first on my mind. But if he can't really run by me, I'm gonna try to get my hands on him quick and damn near being trail and not even really worried about him. I got I gotta I gotta be like a cheetah. He breaks, I gotta break type deal. So it just matter, man. And honestly, if I if I'm going to Isaac Bruce, I ain't gonna leave about the meeting room and to coach say all right, we doubling them. So yeah, we're doubling them right on this. We're gonna double them right on this. We're gonna I'm gonna get it straight. I might even let let the scout team receiver catch a couple of them, just so I can tell a where like see, way, look, if we don't double them, I do it like that. I do it on perfect, dictate the game, playing myself, right. I see it ain't gonna work. See it ain't gonna work. That's what I'm gonna try to do. So really, I'm I'm gonna make sure they don't get behind me. I'm gonna try to just keep guys like I'm gonna try to keep you in front of me. And I'm gonna just trying to be a great tackler that week. Man. That's really what I'm gonna trying to do for sure. Yeah, but yeah, man, So Hall of Fame. Man, the time is almost here. What we got another month before? Look, I'm saying week because I'm going there. So we got another month before we go out there, and uh and camp man, So the speech ready? Is the speech ready? Yet? You know what? Things like that, It kind of rights itself, man, because you know, when you think about your journey, you know, you just can't stop in the sixteen seasons that you played in the National Football League. It's everything before from from little league Pop Warner to uh your days uh in high school, from high school to junior college to Memphis uh to to the beginning of uh the Los Angeles Rams to the St. Louis Rams and too when I actually finished playing. So and like I keep saying, they were there were pockets and people there who are strategically placed, I believe, divinely placed. That that really helped me, man. So it's just it's just more of just really thinking them at a public venue and having that moment to really recognize those people fans, friends, family, and fans that really helped you to develop to the to the football player that you are, right right, So so Hall of Fame. You know deon Deon say, he said they're putting everybody in. Uh. What I'm saying what to you? To you? What what make a Hall of Famer? Man? What you gotta do to be a Hall of Famer? Well? You know, the first thing as a football player, Um, you know, the first thing that we look at, you know, is we're looking We're not looking for you to fear, to fear us. We're looking for you to respect us. From the moment you walk in that locker room. It's about respect to the moment that we're on the field competing against one one or another, It's about respect. Do I respect this guy? Or if you're my teammate and your cornerback and I'm a wide receiver, you know it? You know, can I respect the way you play on the field? Could do you compete? You know? If you don't compete, I don't think we're gonna have much of a friendship off the field. So Number one, that respect part of it. It's their number two. Um, your impact? Can you make impact for plays? Did you make impactful plays? What people? Uh? Can can the story be told about you about the game of football and includes you or not include you. So you know, the questions like that has to be answered and then you know, you have to look at your stats for me as as far as the wide receivers concerned. Man, you know, my question is did they have to double this guy? And if they did, I think that puts him on the path to the Hall of fame. And then if they doubled him, did he still produce? Uh? You know, does he still have you know, maybe nine hundred thousand catches? Uh his yards per catch? I mean those are things that I look at personally and you know, just the end result of it. What what do you do? Okay? Did you go to the playoffs? Did you make impactful plays in the playoffs? Did you go to Super Bowls? Did you play in Super Bowls? Did you make impactful plays in Super Bowls? So? Uh, when you had to follow around this where you had to follow this guy or pick him up from the airplane, you know, when he came to Denver or when he came to Los Angeles? Did you have to go with this guy everywhere he went? And how did you do against that guy? I mean, these things are you know, these things should be the criteria for guys who are being in trying to do I think they're putting guys in that shouldn't be there. I don't think so. I think these guys are deserving of the way they played the game. Um, you know my only my only issue is, you know, how do you determine the first ballot versus are none first ballot? So that's the only question I would have. Yeah, So that so your locker room presence, like if if you're the leader on the team and the confidence of our team is bread through this person, did that got anything to do with being in the Hall of Famer? I think it does. I mean it's one of those boxes that can be checked. You know, how, how did you impact your locker room in a positive way on a negative way? When when when you're on that you know, the league and the sixteen game season, it's a roller coaster, So when you're down at the bottom, you know, how, how did you make the team respond? Did you did you salt with them or did you remind them that you know, this is a roller coader, We're gonna be right back at the top pretty soon. And did you do that through your plate or just encouraging your team? So could you stand up in front of your guys and when you start speaking, will they all be be quiet? They may not agree with you, but they can respect you know, giving you the opportunity. Absolutely, can you get take that microphone and and speaking to your guys exactly? Man, every time Prim say this ship, I'd be wanting to call him, ask like, problem, when are you talking about Prime? What I'm saying? He must be Man, what I'm saying because everybody I see every year, the five or the seven guys who I see, I'm like they hall of famers, right, what I'm saying. So I don't know, I'm just you know, how how long? How long did you have to wait to get in? I waited? Uh? I finished playing in two thousand and ten, and my first year of eligibility was two thousand and fifteen. And yeah, I read I waited six seasons to get in. But but but once again, man, we played for respect. And you have selectors who have probably never put on a jockstrap, let's just be real, and they barely they barely know. They may know a beat writer for the Denver Broncos, but no, you inside and out within your same division, you know, you go play the Raiders. There's a there's another beat writer. He doesn't know too much about you. You know, he didn't see you every day, so he really can't really, you know, get to the podium and say anything. Uh quite at the same level as the Denver Broncos beat writer can about a key to leap, so you know, he kind of get that situation. Man. So that's why I'm thinking. You know, we got two former players that are in the selection committee right now. Not think it's a room for a lot more, because I think you know, former players, right, former players, former defensive coordinators from offensive coordinators. They should be in the room selecting guys, man, because they know I agree, I agree, I agree. Well, of course it leave leave got Hall of Fame dreams. Man, I love talk to Hall of famers. I'm saying a lot of talks to him. Pick their brain and see what they think before we get out of here. Man, one more time, tell it. Tell the fans, Tell the fans how they coun join you man, what they need to do. Yeah, Man, just uh just go to Let's engage. That's L E T S E N G A G E dot com slash Isaac Man So sweepstakes ten dollars to get you in uh real, real, real, nice prize. Man. I think it's if you're a football fan, you always gotta make it to you know, what's being called football Heaven up there in Canton, Ohio. Man. Just see the museum itself and just be around. Man, see where football started and some of the Greeks that have played the game. Man. So um, if you're a football pla fan, you definitely want to do that one time in your life. Now y'all heard it, man, let's engage you don't never man, pay that ten pull up with Isaac. Man, y'all might see leave out there on Sunday. I'm gonna be out there with paying. We're gonna have a great time, man, That's what's hey, Isaac. I appreciate it man. Congrats on the Hall of Fame, Congrats on everything. Man. I'm a big fan, always huge fan, man, and I appreciate you for coming on. This was fun man, Thank you. Hell. You appreciate how to take care of we're catching fades. I keep to leave h