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That's kind of how the debate got started, right, So like, Man, it is playoff routine. I'm like, bro, you already got your routine. Whatever your routine is, it's not gonna change. You might get back to it or you know. That's how the debate kind of got started. So I had to explain it to him. You've got three different kind of guys. Man, you got one guy, player Hey, player, Hey, he really he really don't got no routine. What I'm saying. He rolled out to bed, He go party. You know what I'm saying, He eat whatever. Know what I'm saying. He don't really take care of his body here and stretch. But your baller dog, he don't matter what he do, get out to bid. Man, he can have a couple of drinks the night before the game, hang out, wake up, play great, you know what I'm saying. So that's player, Hey, That's that's them. Guys don't last that long. Them guys get hurt, you know, them guys don't. They don't. They don't last too long. Man. They they give up players in the game. They might be a good players for you while they're young for a while, but they don't last. They're not Hall of famers, man. Them guys, they kind of they kind of disappeared. Man. I I kind of was one of these guys. Early in my career, when I first got a league, I was one of them guys. Man, I I used to feel like I played free. That's right, I played free. Man, y'all, I hear thinking too much. I just played free. That's why I'm making all these plays. That's why y'all ain't making no players. Y'all think too much. So these players really do exist, you know what I'm saying. And they really just don't have no routine. So if the playoffs start, they're still do the same thing they've been doing all year. They just feel like I play free when when I'm you know, I don't have nothing to worry, but I just go have fun. I used to be one of those guys early in my career, and I think when I went to New England, I turned to this next player Boom, player B. You know what I'm saying. I was Player BE probably the majority of my career. Man from New England. On I say, from New England and I was Player B. So Player B he get him a nice little routine. I'm saying, he can kind of create this routine for itself. Man training camp started start that routine, and you know he stick to that routine for a month or two what I'm saying, but about around Halloween time, you know you having and know you're playing good. You've got three interceptions and a touchdown and and and that's just that success make you get off the gas a little bit. So you know, you kind of start either extra Burger or you might stay up an hour later here, or you know you might have a stay out a little bit later on dB night or or out of Extra night now we're doing something on Thursday nights too, or you know, you just kind of get away from your routine a little bit. You have a couple of bad games, maybe you get back to it. Then you kind of get away from long as you're successful, man, you kind of ease off that routine a little bit. But uh, as soon as the playoffs come boom, you kind of reset. You locked back in. And it's almost a season in itself, so so you kind of start over. You locked back in and and and it's playoff time, baby, So you get back to the basics. Man. Now, when I'm getting stretched on the table, I'm killing two birds with one stone, I'm getting an extra hour of film in and and the first one after the first two weeks, I might not watch as much film, and I might like, I might think, like the offense playing good. You know they're gonna score points. I'm only gonna watch the passing because we're gonna be up so that they just gonna pass, or or I'm just gonna watch the reds on. I'm just gonna do the third down. Like you just you get off your routine, so playoff time come player B. He locked back in, get back to that routine. And he don't change his routine, but he locked back in. You know what I'm saying, that's what he do. He just he just locked back in and get back to the basics. And I say, the majority of the NFL is is that kind of player. Man, God's got routines. You stick to it for the most part. Man, you get off that routine a little bit and you don't have success, You're immediately gonna get back to the routine because you feel like that's will make you play at your best. Right. And then you got player M. You see we skip players. See ain't no players see we go straight The player M. Player M is the machines of the world. You know what I'm saying. The Tom Brady's that Aaron Donald's the paying mannage, And I'm saying they're they're real machines, Man and the machines. They create routine, their routines is year round. Guys don't never get off that routine no matter, no matter playoffs or first game or week ten or whatever. They don't never get off that routine. Man and and them guys, I just call them machines. Man, them guys. Them guys would never change their routine come playoff time because their routine is what made them a machine. You know what I'm saying. That's that's the whole reason they they are the player that they are right now, is because they stick to the script, stick to this routine. But uh, I think the playoffs, I think I think in basketball, you know, they got more games than that, they played eighty two games, they played for about eight months. We played shorter than them. But they still create routines. Basketball players still create routines. And I bet Brown is probably like one of those machines where his routine year around, he never gets off of it, you know what I'm saying. So I think the intensity definitely cranks up in the playoffs. But guy's routines definitely don't change. Man. That's what makes pros pros. You know, you know what you gotta do with your body and your time and with your study to make you this level. You know what I'm saying that there's no such thing because I want to be at this level and then when the playoffs coming on, a crank up to this level. No such thing. Man. Your intensity may crank up, but your routine just you just locked back in and you get back to the basics of it. Man. So not much in football. So you know, we we we had a bad We turned the basketball conversation to a football conversation. But Julio Jones, he puts some a little news out there. Who little Jones put a little news out there. Man with are with the world's the world's favorite uncle un Uncle Shannon. You know, Julio basically told him he was out of there. He had to know he was on TV or they probably planned it, and he probably text him like, and I'm gonna call you, man, make sure you're answer. I'm gonna be on TV. I'm gonna be on the show. Julio and Julio probably don't care, but hearing Julio said, it's facts now, man, we kind of knew. It's all over the internet, it's all over Instagram, Twitter, that they wanted to trade them for the second round pick they couldn't get a one form before the draft. But not hearing Julio said, we know it's facts, man. And it seems like it's mutual, right the Falcons that they leaked all that information and then Julio he hop on and say I'm out of there. It seems like it's a mutual decision, man. So I don't blame the Falcons. I don't blame Julio. It's just another one of those relationships that you know, over time, man, I do tremendous things for you, You do tremendous things for me, and over time, man, it's it's that relationship just kind of get burnt out. And I doubt it was one thing that that caused these trade rumors or caused this trade to happen, because it's gonna happen. It's real now. So I don't think it was one thing. But I think the main thing that caused it is losing. You know what I'm saying. If you're losing, if you if you only win in seven games. If you ain't won more than seven games the last three years and the last year you're only one four, that's a lot of losing. Man. That's a that's a that's a negative building. And with a negative building, man comes fingerpointing and I'm short, some crazy conversations was had in the building. Man. So it's up now. So it's a done deal now. So so the next question is where do Julio go. So Julio got a little leverage. You know, at this time of the year. What I'm saying, he he can't get fined. He can't get fined if he if he if he don't do what the team tell him to do, him saying, if they try to just ship him somewhere he don't want to go, he can always just tell him I ain't going, I ain't going to take no physical there. He's not in the rush, he's not broke, man. Julio got paper, what I'm saying. And the team got a little leverage too, because you know, they're not in the rush to send him off. They're not in the rush to get him off their books. What I'm saying if they were, If they was, they would have gave him away for a second round before the draft so they can get a draft pick for him, or or they would have got him off the books during free agency so they can replace him with another big time receiver. Right, so they don't seem like they're in the rush to get him off the books. So they got a little leverage. But Uh, I think I think they take their time and do it. They'll find that they'll find the perfect the perfect fit for theirself. And I think they respect who yo two, so they'll find a perfect fit for Julio. They will not send him to the NFC because they don't want to see Julio man. So where will he go? I think number one on the radarist the Ravens. I think the Ravens definitely need a number one receiver. Uh, Julio would be a good fit. Man. He gonna come in here, fit botchmore, here, fit that culture. Man. You're a hard worker. They love high work. And he's gonna make players in the game. Man. You add him to Hollywood. Uh, Sammy Andrews working in that middle. Man. If they get a real, a real big dog number one receiver, that that could be what takes the Ravens over the top man. Number two on my list, I say the Titans. The Titans got the Titans lost weapons on offense man, it lost Davis, they lost John new Smith, so they just need another weapon man to to so teams won't just put everybody in the box to stop dereg Henry. So they need somebody who who you gotta honor. I'm saying we got a J over there, But it's gonna be too easy to double a J and put everybody else in the boxing. The other receiver one on one, Josh Rennerd's gonna have to win so many one on ones it's gonna be crazy. But if you got a guy like Julio there. Now you got Josh on the field, and Julio and a J. You can't just throw everybody in the box man, So he would fit great in the Titans offense. And number three on the list, there's New England, Baby, I said, I say, New England still need a number one receiver. Man. They they're gonna kill you with the tight ends. They got guys who can run underneath routes, man, guys who can get deep to number two receivers. In my opinion, I think if you put the number one receiver like Julio. He just make you game plan for him. Man, You if you have the game plan for Julio's taken away from game planning for John Luke Smith and Aguilar and guys like that. So if you add Julio to that offense, man, I think that might be what the Patriots need to put them over the top. Man. So Ravens, Titan, Patriots, they all got second round picks to give. They all got a little bit more. If they had to give a little bit more, I think there would be great landing spots for Julio. Man. Sad to see the relationship goes hour, but that's our NFL. That's that's the business that we live in. Man. So it's gonna be good to see Julio. I'm saying, spray this NFL wings and be able to see what it's like to play for another city. Man. So shout out Julio, Shout out the Falcons. Man. 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I feel like she was a Pro Bowl or something we was at you know what I'm saying last time, couple of them. Yeah, I'm good man, I'm blessed. You know I'm blessed right now? Ah you are you free? Right now? Man? What's the plans? What's the play for this upcoming season? Man? I had some teams reach out, you know, I think right now my my time of my career. Um. They kind of want that mentor um vet to help the young guys out and also be reliable if called on. You know. So it's cool. I think, um, the got gotta be the right situation, right team. I had a couple of teams that reached out, I want to say, but it was okay, I do want to compete, you know, I do want to win. I came to you know, Stup Bowl teams last year, So I gotta be the right situation. Definitely, definitely at this point. And it's I remember that at the end of my career, I'm like, I ain't going to no trash team and I ain't playing for free, you know what I'm saying. So it's it's you gotta find that balance, right, Yeah, I mean I think the part about finding the finances. Mean, I've always been like a highest paid running backs since I've been playing, you know what I'm saying. Um, But so I did well my money, so it's not left the finances. But just like the opportunity. I love to play the game, you know. I mean, it's also cool to get the miller, so just to be on the team, you know, to help out, not really taking a lot of wear and tear, you know what I mean. But just yeah, but also just they asked us to do too much to play for free. Yeah, I mean in my role, I don't really have too much to do. That's the thing like my first time with Reggie Bush Canada Bills, I was so like, why are you bringing him there? And he made like a million something an't really do much, and I was like, damn, where I get that situation? I want to do that. You practice here and there and you know, so it's all about the right opportunity on man, it really is so so so if if you didn't go no word and you ain't play no more football as at this point, you'll be good with that. But wait. The last thing is I've been thinking about my my stats, like a lot of dudes don't have my numbers. You know what I'm saying. I'm I feel like I'm borderline Hall of Fame. You know, I got numbers. We're gonna get to that, but I'm staying like that. So playing like I'm right, there's like I need like someone yards to kind of get the twelve thousand, you know what I mean. But that's that's always in my mind of retire or not retiring. So if you did, if you didn't play with you, would you be good with that? Yeah? I think it's it's in my hands. You know, I can play for other teams that they may not be a young group that probably won't win. You know what I mean, but I can play is that I don't wanna be them, guys. I'm I'm playing the team just because it's the NFL and I can say I got the NFL. Jery. I never want to. My reversion makes too long for that. I would, I would, I would be okay with that. I do a lot off the field financially, what I'm saying and things I'm doing, you know, my real estate companies and all that, So I knowhl to prove. You look at them numbers, Man, you're two all pros. You know what I'm saying. You you six Pro bowls. You know what I'm saying you all decade. You've got two chips, lamb hunted seventy tubs. You don't really got nothing else. You got fifteen sixteen receiving tubs. Like what I'm saying. You really, you don't really got too much else to prove. So, like you said, you're playing now. It's it's just because we love a game. That's it. Man. Man, Frank, we're trained together, we live like real close, and we always on the phone like that. You know you're gonna play you're not gonna play because you love a game and you've been playing something five years old, four years old. Well, it's just the right situation. Like I said, gotta be the right situation man to make you go out there and practice every day. Pete, that's a lot, Yeah, made you made a lot of millions. You know what I'm saying. It takes a lot out of you. You already know it's it's it make it hard to stop, and it also make it hard to come back when you made all that money. I'm saying, make it and make it hard for you to, Like, I gotta get out of bed and do this ship again. So believe me. I feel you look, uh, you got them too chips? Right? What you say to people when they when they try to put these asteris on your chips? What you say to them? Then, I'm gonna tell you what I say to them. I mean, I only get involved with that. Anybody that knows me, I don't know what it is. I mean, you look at the last a couple of but four or five, six, seven Super Bowls, Like the running backs that playing them teams they can't you mean, they know you know what I'm saying. Like I don't like to get into that because I like to be positive, but they know what is mean. I can't. I can't even really you know, name running backs is really better than like not even being cocky, but just come on, like the way I played the game, the way my style is. You probably see that every twenty something years you're go see a guy like my style. You know what I'm saying. I'm on one hand, like you know, dudes can't really you know, yeah, I'll never really get into that. I think my resume speaks for us, so you know. And then on top of that, the biggest thing I think about me is the dudes that I played with on each team on super teams. They know what's something, you know what I mean. They would never say I couldn't play on it. It was confused like there and the running back to the room. They know what's going on. So that never really bothers me. You know, Yeah, this is what I say to him, Like you kind of hit it earlier when you say, like, man, they brought Reggie Bush and he was here, I ain't really know why like some guys, It's it's different roads for everybody. Man, I might I might be the guy who who made sure this team vibe as a team, and you don't see that on Sunday, right, but you see us I hurt vibe and like a motherfucking team. And y'all were like, why is this? Why is this defense so close? That's because LEE make their ass go to team dinners every week and we do casino nights, and I make these niggas hang out, you know what I'm saying, And I make us close, but you don't see that stuff on Sunday. I might be the guy who get get a defensive work in practice, like you know what, I remember Tim? I remember Tim Patrick. He had received on the Broncos right now our Super Bowl year. He had a lot to do with that, and people don't even know it because he came out and treated that ship like a game in practice and he turned me and Chris up and we're fighting him and everything, but he tarked us up every practice and when we practiced like that, look at all exactly. So you say, every everybody on the team is important, bro, you know what I'm saying, Whether I played or whether I didn't play, all fifty three or sixty three of them guys is super important man. So that's what I say. Man, No Asterix. We all played a role, whether my role major, whether my role was minor, we all played a role. And that's noththing like like the stuff I said before, because I really believe that, Like, it's not you can when I looked ten twenty years from now, it's not you can say bad about them. I was that dude. You can't say nothing about them, you know what I mean. On the other side, it's like I grew the bonds with them running backs and the teammates, so when they do good, I do good helping them. Dues outs take exactly like for Nett had the big thing going on. He was, you know, he's all world can callege. And he came league and this Naty got cut. I hate look this before he came to Temper. I hate him up. Like yo, I've been there. I mean, don't make him right, do your think you know? Then he got the same thing, like coach him up because I like, I got a love for people. They hate it. My resume is, but it is so I would never hit him. The youngs. That's why when they say this and say that, it don't phaze me because they my dudes in my locker room. They know my relationship with them, and that's what matters for show. So you brought that Hall of Fame up, so and yr in your eyes. In my eyes, you is and your you hall of fame, right. I feel like that when I look at a lot of dudes in there, like I've seen some ring necks to waters like, I mean, you know, I think they're good players. I just think I'm really good. I think I'm really good. I think I got numbers. You know what it's all about. It's opinion based. I feel like the writers that write, you know, I always believe and you're deadcade at work when you was that guy, like who was you surrounded around? Because that matters some dudes. The Hall of Fame quarterbacks, the Hall of Fame line, the Hall of Fame receivers is like, okay, you should be a hall of fame. You always around you. You see what I'm saying, Hey, I look at that. I look at when you was in your problem, how it was you look at all that stuff? You know That's what I me too. I look at I look at the numbers first, know what I'm saying. I look at the numbers first, and then I look at like you said, when you was in your prime, who was the other guys in their prime with? Did you? What's your All prose? Your second team? Are pro? Want to know, like how long was you that dude in the league? And and when you look at it, fam, look if you got it, And I don't have no ALTERNI Pro Bowls. I don't even believe in that. I have no no me neither me neither by the way I started and all my if you got a level hunting eleven thousand, you got seventy three tubs, you got five hunting catches and in sixteen tubs, and you was a two time All Pro, first team All Pro. I mean I was the best running back in the league two years. You know what I'm saying, Pro Bowl six times. I mean I was one of the coldest running backs in the league six years and title ain't got a Russian title and you are decade. Look you're telling you what I'm saying. I'm gonna find that hard. I'm gonna find that hard to believe that that this guy in the Hall of Fame. You know what I'm saying, I'm gonna find that hard to believe straight up. But you know that I realized the also with that, like the marketing. Like when I was in Philly, right, I had all the balls, and I was a big market. It's Philadelphia, you know what I'm saying, one of the largest cities in America. Then when I went the Buffalo, right, I had some real good years, but the market is so small. Like I lost a lot of Dorsets and et cetera. We're not on TV. So if I had them same years and you put that with the Philly team, my exposure gets way bigger, you know what I mean. Tell me about it, tell me about it. So it's just it's like with like and this is my dog, Marshtaw Lynch. They love people, you know, they love Marshall Hayas and this and that, all right, you know, but in Buffalo he didn't get the same type of here's here's the Buffalo. Really see it. You go to the Seattle they winning it's bigger market. Now his personality shown he's not talking to me, I mean, so they made it bigger. You know what I'm saying, him not talking to media. They made that a thing like, yeah, this is loud. But if he was in Buffo and he did that. It wouldn't matter exactly. So you look at Sean, I look at I look at myself. I came in the Tampa rookie year, folk picks, second year, five picks, third year, six picks, two touchdowns, and the next year I had two picks, two touchdowns. First four years in chapter with them numbers. Not an accolade, not a rookie uh, not one single accolade. And you know, look, my third fourth year, we was blacked out. We couldn't even get on local TV. We was blacked out market just you know, our stands full. The marketing just just wasn't there. As soon as I get to New England, Bam, I get to New England. Now I'm always one of the best corners in the league. Like I've been doing this, I've been doing my numbers. I've been doing this ship. You know what I'm saying. That's just how it worked though, But nothing on your on your case, you had like, um, you had a lot of stuff going on the field, you know what I mean, which which on other dudes when they have in a big market and they have it on the field stuff and making bigger like like Sherman. You know what I'm saying to this trash aggressively so in the system and a great system and blowed up always the markets, so that your case should be even bigger because you're doing that on the field, playing and you know, making a big buzz. What's all about the marketing? Dog that's that's that's how I go. So with that marketing, you feel like Jewels, he ain't know hall of Fame? What I mean, come on, like see the thing is they the interview they did, Like I ain't like that because I said, up, I was, I was, wasn't whoa I think that? I said, hold on, hall of fame, So I don't think the Hall of Fame. But I said, yo, he's tough as hell. He's tough, you know what I mean. I'm respecting he hard worker man, and I liked when he played a game. I said a lot of way he played the game. But I'm saying, if you asked my hall of fames, like, I ain't disting. But what we talk, you know what what we're talking about, right, That's why, Yeah, I look at Jewels, I look at Juels as he opposted if it was like a postseason Hall of Fame that he for show he first ballot in that thing. Been to the pro season though that like postseason. That's really nice. Come on, and he played in the middle thing like washingtime at forty three, so imagine time at twenty at thirty. Man to talk about that, like bro, I was like, yo, you had to see in ten fifteen years, Like you know what I'm saying, He thirty. So mad if I man, if I played with Tom Brady, my whole crib be Come on, man, exactly, you can't. You can't mold the box. You can't even know that. You can't. You can't control who you play with. I say that you can't control you play with. But if you look at them numbers, man, jewels, numbers just not really like that in the regular season, it's they like you know what I'm saying, and ended up in in the playoffs in the super Bowl. All that. He always goes stupid. He always wanted to lead in receivers. He he's second all time and this and second all the time and this because see I'm saying there are a lot. There are a lot. I'm saying you're there're a lot because your quarterback. So it's a fine line with our Hall of Fame ship. But man and my hall of fame, I think so, I think so, I think something in your tongue use that, dude. You know what I'm saying. You got numbers. I look at all that, and on different teams you still was holding your own you know what I mean? Like I look at all that. Some people don't. It's a it's the name thing. I guess. I don't know man zone. Look, I don't play in man zone. That's another that's another thing. See, but I don't find it either because that's like a dude, like a san say, right, they say he's an awesome dude, was nice. I don't know about you know what I'm saying. Yeah, you see how he ain't Hall of Fame right now? Home zone or not? Like he's bawling, you know yeah. I feel that that's that's It's a fine on this voters, man, you know all that's all that's gonna be the voters. But either way, either way, man, just no lead lead. Feel like, man, you had a great career. You know what I'm saying that you wanted to do. I showed my son your highlights because that's like that. You know what I'm saying. Real sh I showed my son, like, man, look at look how he running the win. Every guy he come across, he run the win. So man, that movement, Man, that that set him up that bad leg. I learned that that that was that natural. That's something you learned whooping or how that came about. Man, that that's just just playing like the same moves I did in high school working in the league. It's crazy. I mean I remember watching like Barris. I was a big barrass Sentders fan. You know, I said that was my guy, like when he played the game and all that, and trying to like, you know, imitate his moves. But ain't I just play like I don't say my game unique. I ain't really the biggest I ain't really you know what I'm saying. I just I just go out there and so you ain't never really like learn how to do the moves. You just shoot. I started playing football and that's how I was moving, Huh. I was. You know, I was a big basketball dude, you know what I'm saying. I was a big like that though. That's why I'm like having hoop or something. You know, I'm saying, so watching I'm crazy to hoop though for real, watching um Alan Lyverson because that's that's the hometown is like all the Philaelphia Eago games. And in the sixties, I grew up in Harrison's right there, so I grew up watching him, and so I will hoop. I wouldn do that crazy cross and you bring the ball hard and all that. So when I was shipp dudes on the figure, I was like, yeah, they're going for the same it's carried over real, that's that's what we started doing, all that, like the moves and the ball, you know. And I figured, I figured, I swear I'll be knowing ship sometimes, you know, when I see him like bread he used to hoop brod that's a cross that ain't nothing. But but are you understand that real ship? That's that's hard. Man. So before all that, before who how are you falling in love with football? Though? Man? What what? What? What brought you the football? I brought you to this game? That damn they're ship? Not a there that did change our lives. Well, my brother played, He played in the NFL for about five years, you know what I mean. So I come there and he did, um and that was my way. I was like, dangn I love of sport. Played played four years old. As I got better with it, I felt it was that was the way to take my family up out the hood, you know, give my mom a dead and better life and stuff like that. So I just took it serious. And then once I said I could be good at it, I just kept doing it and something love with it. Yeah you uh you say your brother played. Though my brother played, he played got different. Six years were six years apart. He um, he got drafted like seven rounds. He had to really grind and get it. He went like Division two. You know what I'm saying. But I just watched his whole thing, man, and like they don't want to be like him. He kind of was like, you know my role model, you know what I mean? And so yeah, that's that's I say the same thing. So people like us, I called us. We just how you started like a football kid? I just say, man, Ship, I was brainwashed. We was brainwashed. Bro. We don't know. Like by time I came about like four or five, and I can like actually like, oh, Ship, like this life, I already like football and Ship. I don't know why I like this ship because I got a big brother and I followed him everywhere and he was playing and I was playing. He was watching and I was watching. We just brand watched bro. We got big brothers. Was born into it. We just was brand. They got they got some crazy for me. Man. I would I would play this game world, I would have. I would because they would lose all these stuff they balls and all that. I would keep my footballs and basketballs. I look and ya and y'all wanted you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I gotta put me on your team. Yeah, like you know what I'm saying. And that's all I'm like, Oh the dudes, Yeah, Yeah, that's what it's up. That's what's up. The big brothers. Man, Hey, shout out to them big brothers. Man, y'all making millionaires out here, man, straight up talk talk right about that. And even right now, my brother got a real estate company. He kind of holds. He holds on with that. You know what, it's harder spend money and split money people on rock with you know what I mean, Like, you get these advises, you gotta just do what they say because what they tell you, and they've bet the school for these years and they talked fancy nah my brothers in that same lane. So now I my believings. So what I'm learning that we learned together and we're making money. We got about that's like talking about that. Talk about that. Tell us about what you got going on. I'm saying, we we got about Manham together. We got about state units um all times. Yeah, like how apartments like like apartments like their units. We are right now we're trying to get into their U Opportunity Zones. Basically that's like UM, Like the U S government have like outlined like areas like in the hood and like the everywhere areas where like developers coming they're using capital gains money and all that and they invest right so they get so like the capital games way they got they get like a tax credit on it. You don't get tax on it. You know what I'm saying. That's cool because you build up the hoods and like all the you know, grow up in the hood man be like band the buildings and all that. But it's cool because I think it makes it like safer, safer environments, safer in the city, you know what I'm saying. So we're doing the world. You know, we make money on it, but like also I'm fixing up my community, like stuff like that I care about because I came from you know what I mean. So I when I leave, I want to make sure like my legacy is bigger than that. Um. You know, we may we do like on flips um. You know different fos be doing. Um it was building up blocks, buying them blocks back, building up the nips and hustle way. Hell, yeah, that's that's real ship. And along that way you built, you're fixing the community up. And along the way, like you said, your brother doing really state you're giving out job about some giving out job wies. Yeah, and dudes, I don't know what I'm saying. Yeah, So if you every won't talk about that, we can definitely talk about. But it's just I think it's so much roper opportunity. I never knew that, you know, you can really do so much with the real estate world. Not this money, but like giving back, helping out. You know, I had remember when I was young, like the landlords was you know, you grew up in the hood, maybe some bad spots, and I was like, yo, I would never be that type of landlords. So now when we called my drink whatever, you're paying eight hundred something where it is like you're like, damn, I'm happy though it's knife floor, marble floor. You know what I'm saying, Like you even though you were you might not be making on this money, but we're calling my cribs and all that my appartments. You feel like you in a nice spot. You're living good exactly exactly. That's hey, it's my people, you know. So hell yeah, that's that's what's up. Man. Shout out to you all boys. What's what y'all what y'all call it? What's the name of a little a little deal or whatever we're talking about? Y'all got this? Yeah, development company, vice capital? What's called vice capital? Vice capital? Man, that's what That's what's up. That's what's up, all right. So look, before you get up fight there ain't gonna hold you all day. Before you get up out of here. Man, I always gotta I always got to speak on the goat, you know I'm saying, because he's the goat, tell me something you learn from the go When I said the goat, you already know who we're talking about, right, You already know what's something you learn, you get to play. When I just everybody who touched that locker room with you know what I'm saying, I just want to know, Like I just because I was on it. I I used to really think, like this motherfucker is a machine. Bro. Like every day it's the same guy. I can't be the same I try so hard to be the same guy every day, but some days I come in there, I'm just tired, or I'm sick, or I'm It's like he's the same guy every day. So you tell me a little bit about him, and what was your experience like in the in the building with the goal. He different and like the thing on him is like he really cool though you see it, Like he drove, he talked, he talked about sports, he talked about rat he talked ship to you all that, and it's like he coming there. You know, you don't know what they expect. I've been him a couple of times before, but he was just different, Like I never see somebody so prepared, Like like in the beginning of the year, he was intense, you know what I'm sayings new, everybody was new. He's funning everybody out. But he's every days comes he comes to work, we get to the playoffs, the intensity jumps up even more, and then the super Bowl, he was wait, crazy different. I'm like it can't you know other level, there's a whole another level. Like it's like it's preparation. So you got you got the long weeks where you're waiting to play. Yo. We would have practice dues will lead right, we get a probably like fifteen dudes, like like the quarterbacks, wing backs where I'm seeing he was tight ends. You know what I'm saying. The skill guys get a text out. You know, his time on the thread group chat ooh video about fifteen minutes, ten minutes he going over everybody. Yo. The cornerback he does this, he does that. When he does this, you know the way he stands, He's into this coverage or this. I'm like, don this is some movie. It's like a movie. Yo. Every day I say yo. And the thing with him is like he wants to be great. Even we talked about my homes. You know what I'm saying, because you know, like I've been there, you competit you you you gotta worried. But how's how's jrmal Charles? You know what I'm saying, and he asks little things and like he knows that Pat wants to be great. High talks like like when dudes take a quarterback, they take certain money. They don't take everything, and they're playing for They playing money for like other players to keep them good. He's like, he get it. I mean he want to be the greatest. Like, hen't worried about that. Man, I want to win. You know, he needs other people with him to be great. Yeah, that's any. So even like asking questions about different players and that he knows everybody like a rookie. He old he's good. He's not good at That's how you know dude is great. When they know everything about every player, it's like he's dialed in like every defense. So he man, he's so smart. Even like when we play teams like, yo, they're gonna try to take this away from us, this and that and the coaches short time because they haven't shown that like six seven weeks. You like you sure, I'm telling you, Like they're gonna play this type of defense. Sure enough, they're playing cover through the whole time. When they cover, I'm like, yo, he get it. They never did before. Right, He's smart. He really smart. Yeah, I just I just love it. Hear it. Man, what I'm saying, he would go, We gotta we gotta honor him like he we try to give him his flowers while he hear you know what I'm saying. You know why he's playing right now. He would go. I like to have people talk about it. Man. He had got damn machine the greatest. I appreciate it. Man. We ain't gonna hold you, man, enjoy your time. Ain't know you're busy, you know what I'm saying about all that going take care of them babies. Man, any time y'all wanna you know, anytime you got like some big projects whatever going on, foundation anything, Man, We got a nice platform. Man. We're breaking for you, all right, All up, man, Ye'll take it easy. Appreciate you you already know. Appreciate your brother. Yeah. Yeah,