Paul Wiggin, Section 25

Throbbing Gristle Live at Ajanta Cinema

The Tape

"You" Section 25, Jams From The Bardo 

Reply from Genesis

Invitation to Industrial

The Crawling Chaos

The Rex Hotel, Whitely Bay

Zyklon B Zombies

"Red Voice" Section 25, Blackpool Rox EP 

A Gig with Joy Division

Recording At Brittania Row

"Death" Side B, Zyklon B Zombies backing tape 

"Sex Machine" Crawling Chaos (demo)

Credits

Some of the most surprising and revealing connections surface in this episode. Two worlds that rarely get mentioned in the same breath: Throbbing Gristle's Industrial Records, and Manchester's Factory Records. At the centre are two more names from the Industrial News “tapes received" list; Paul Wiggin of Section 25 and Robbie MacDonald of Crawling Chaos offshoot, Zyklon B Zombies. Both aspiring musicians who connected with TG's Industrial News zine by sending cassettes of their music.

Paul describes experiencing the crushing, low-frequency weight of the early Throbbing Gristle gigs which stunned a generation of post-punk audiences with the “sonic warfare” that the band were waging.

Later, a direct-to-tape demo sent to Industrial Records came back with an invitation from Genesis P-Orridge to London, and a glimpse of TG’s world via a Cosey Fanni Tutti performance.

Section 25’s support slot for Joy Division, followed with Ian Curtis's word was enough to secure a deal with Factory Records. Setting them off on recordings sessions with Martin Hannett at Cargo, and Pink Floyd's old Britannia Row studio.

Over in Newcastle, Robbie MacDonald was working behind the scenes for The Crawling Chaos, creating sleeves, booking gigs, and supporting their own label, Foetus Products. Ahead of a gig at Whitley Bay's Rex Hotel, word went round that Throbbing Gristle themselves might turn up under an alias: Zyklon B Zombies. The backing tape built for the hoax made its way to Industrial Records as something of a joke at the band's own expense and, whatever became of any reply, it landed the Zyklon B Zombies in the "Tapes Received" list regardless.

Two Factory scouts in that night's crowd left far more taken with The Crawling Chaos than with the prank, leading to a clandestine meet up with Tony Wilson, and the eventual release on Factory Benelux of FAC 17.

Hosted by Martin Franklin.
Theme music "This Is Concrete" by The Happy Citizen.

DISCOVER THE VIDEO
You can find videos of cassette tapes, artefacts and unboxings from the cassette underground on our YouTube channel: youtube.com/@CassetteCulturePodcast

IN THIS EPISODE

THANKS
Jerry Kranitz, co-host for all interviews recorded in the series.
Richard Rupenus, for research and series advice.

VOICES
Martin Franklin
Paul Wiggin
Robbie MacDonald

MUSIC
"Fallen Monument" Section 25, Illuminus Illumina (self-released cassette)
"Live"  Throbbing Gristle at the Ajanta Cinema, Derby, 1979
“Life” Side A, Zyklon B Zombies backing tape
"You" Section 25, Jams From The Bardo
"Red Voice" Section 25, Blackpool Rox EP
"Rose Apple Island" Section 25, Jams From The Bardo
"New Horizon" Section 25
"Death" Side B, Zyklon B Zombies backing tape
"Sex Machine" Crawling Chaos (demo)

LINKS
Section 25: https://section25.com/
Crawling Chaos: https://crawlingchaos.co.uk/
Factory Records archive: https://factoryrecords.org/

Section 25 "Jams From The Bardo" is available on Klanggalerie.
https://klanggalerie.bandcamp.com/album/jams-from-the-bardo

FIND US
https://cassetteculturepodcast.com

SUPPORTERS
Help us keep Cassette Culture alive! This podcast is enabled by generous supporters who contribute toward the costs of researching, producing and publishing each episode. You can become one of them at: https://cassetteculturepodcast.bandcamp.com/subscribe

Some of the most surprising and revealing connections surface in this episode. Two worlds that rarely get mentioned in the same breath: Throbbing Gristle's Industrial Records, and Manchester's Factory Records. At the centre are two more names from the Industrial News &ldquo;tapes received" list; Paul Wiggin of Section 25 and Robbie MacDonald of Crawling Chaos offshoot, Zyklon B Zombies. Both aspiring musicians who connected with TG's Industrial News zine by sending cassettes of their music.
Paul describes experiencing the crushing, low-frequency weight of the early Throbbing Gristle gigs which stunned a generation of post-punk audiences with the &ldquo;sonic warfare&rdquo; that the band were waging.
Later, a direct-to-tape demo sent to Industrial Records came back with an invitation from Genesis P-Orridge to London, and a glimpse of TG&rsquo;s world via a Cosey Fanni Tutti performance.
Section 25&rsquo;s support slot for Joy Division, followed with Ian Curtis's word was enough to secure a deal with Factory Records. Setting them off on recordings sessions with Martin Hannett at Cargo, and Pink Floyd's old Britannia Row studio.
Over in Newcastle, Robbie MacDonald was working behind the scenes for The Crawling Chaos, creating sleeves, booking gigs, and supporting their own label, Foetus Products. Ahead of a gig at Whitley Bay's Rex Hotel, word went round that Throbbing Gristle themselves might turn up under an alias: Zyklon B Zombies. The backing tape built for the hoax made its way to Industrial Records as something of a joke at the band's own expense and, whatever became of any reply, it landed the Zyklon B Zombies in the "Tapes Received" list regardless.
Two Factory scouts in that night's crowd left far more taken with The Crawling Chaos than with the prank, leading to a clandestine meet up with&nbsp;Tony Wilson, and the eventual release on Factory Benelux of FAC 17.
Hosted by Martin Franklin. Theme music "This Is Concrete" by The Happy Citizen.
DISCOVER THE VIDEO You can find videos of cassette tapes, artefacts and unboxings from the cassette underground on our YouTube channel: <a href="https://youtube.com/@CassetteCulturePodcast">youtube.com/@CassetteCulturePodcast</a>
IN THIS EPISODE
THANKS Jerry Kranitz, co-host for all interviews recorded in the series. Richard Rupenus, for research and series advice.
VOICES Martin Franklin Paul Wiggin Robbie MacDonald
MUSIC "Fallen Monument" Section 25, Illuminus Illumina (self-released cassette) "Live"&nbsp; Throbbing Gristle at the Ajanta Cinema, Derby, 1979 &ldquo;Life&rdquo; Side A, Zyklon B Zombies backing tape "You" Section 25, Jams From The Bardo "Red Voice" Section 25, Blackpool Rox EP "Rose Apple Island" Section 25, Jams From The Bardo "New Horizon" Section 25 "Death" Side B, Zyklon B Zombies backing tape "Sex Machine" Crawling Chaos (demo)
LINKS Section 25: <a href="https://section25.com/">https://section25.com/</a> Crawling Chaos: <a href="https://crawlingchaos.co.uk/">https://crawlingchaos.co.uk/</a> Factory Records archive: <a href="https://factoryrecords.org/">https://factoryrecords.org/</a>
Section 25 "Jams From The Bardo" is available on Klanggalerie. <a href="https://klanggalerie.bandcamp.com/album/jams-from-the-bardo">https://klanggalerie.bandcamp.com/album/jams-from-the-bardo</a>
FIND US <a href="https://cassetteculturepodcast.com/">https://cassetteculturepodcast.com</a>
SUPPORTERS Help us keep Cassette Culture alive! This podcast is enabled by generous supporters who contribute toward the costs of researching, producing and publishing each episode. You can become one of them at: <a href="https://cassetteculturepodcast.bandcamp.com/subscribe">https://cassetteculturepodcast.bandcamp.com/subscribe</a>

The stories of the global underground movement that shaped experimental music and culture, told by the artists that were there…

For two decades during the '80's and '90's, the international mail system fostered a network of underground artists, exchanging cassette tapes of music and homemade artwork – all under the radar of mainstream media. Taking the DIY message of Punk as a jumping off point, we travel through the network to find the creators of the fanzines, the music, the labels and events.

The stories of the global underground movement that shaped experimental music and culture, told by the artists that were there&hellip;
For two decades during the '80's and '90's, the international mail system fostered a network of underground artists, exchanging cassette tapes of music and homemade artwork &ndash; all under the radar of mainstream media. Taking the DIY message of Punk as a jumping off point, we travel through the network to find the creators of the fanzines, the music, the labels and events.

Cassette Culture

The stories of the global underground movement that shaped experimental music and culture, told by the artists that were there...

For two decades the international mail system fostered a network of underground artists, exchanging cassette tapes of music and homemade artwork - all under the radar of main stream media.

We track down some key figures in the cassette scene, and follow the web of connections outward from the UK around the world, mapping the impacts and their ongoing effects.

We speak with musicians, label runners, and fanzine writers, who share their experiences of connecting through the mail system and its ongoing effects on their lives.

Hosted by Martin Franklin & Hudson Graham | Podcast produced by East Coast Studio

Find us on www.cassetteculturepodcast.com

The stories of the global underground movement that shaped experimental music and culture, told by the artists that were there...
For two decades the international mail system fostered a network of underground artists, exchanging cassette tapes of music and homemade artwork - all under the radar of main stream media.
We track down some key figures in the cassette scene, and follow the web of connections outward from the UK around the world, mapping the impacts and their ongoing effects.
We speak with musicians, label runners, and fanzine writers, who share their experiences of connecting through the mail system and its ongoing effects on their lives.
Hosted by Martin Franklin &amp; Hudson Graham | Podcast produced by <a href="https://eastcoaststudio.com.au/">East Coast Studio</a>
Find us on <a href="https://www.cassetteculturepodcast.com">www.cassetteculturepodcast.com</a>