He can play. Also, he puts the team first, So yeah, a Keem Davis Kith there is a perfect fit. Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, Zach Kershman joins me, the only person who spoke with the Cardinals' newest linebacker after his signing. So we hear from adg we hear from some of the other conversations Zach has had with the team's latest editions. It's all about getting to know the new names and the new faces. It's Cardinals Cover two, episode eight sixty two, and it starts now.
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WHOA, here's Craig Graeler. So burd Gang really fortunate to have Zach with us here on this Wednesday, because, well, if you've been following along, and especially if you are a regular follower and log into Azycardinals dot Com in the Arizona Cardinals official YouTube channel. You know that Zach's a big star in front of the camera and doesn't really have as much time for us here on the audio side of things, so well, welcome back, Zach.
The audio has basically been, you know, home for me since I've gone here to the valley, so we but we do take advantage of as much video time as we could get.
You did a good job.
Thank you.
Just don't let it go to your head.
Head's already pretty small. I used to always need to wear snapback hats because my head was so small, so I could feel like my head was a little bit bigger, like when I wore those baseball adjustable caps. Yeah, but I liked I liked it with the flat rim on it because it made my head look a little bit bigger because I always follow my head was a little too small. So when I whenever somebody says to me, like, don't get a big head, like it that's easy.
This is some deep background material here on Zach Kershman, like it's anything new that is true. Cover two is basically a form of therapy for me. We are here for you, We're here for everyone, and here on this Wednesday to discuss, well, what you have been doing as far as talking to the new faces that have come into the building. Officially there have been six free agents signed. There is a seventh offensive lineman, Jack Kurhan. He agreed to terms according to his agency, So right now it's just kind of up in the air, not quite a done deal. But the roster does stand at seventy four, not counting Jake or Greg Dort who has been tendered a contract. So there are still going to be moves may between now and when this team really gets in the swing of things once OTA's begin and that includes draft picks and undrafted free agents. But overall, you look at the new faces, you look at the players who've returned, and I think, right now this is a solid beginning. If you will to wear as we discussed on Monday with Danny, if you needed to play a game today, you could play a game today with the players you've brought back and the new players that you brought in.
There's no glaring holes in this Cardinals team all around. Now. They're definitely you know, we always talk about like want versus needs in certain positions, and I think because of the fact that you brought into Dalvin Tomlinson for defensive tackle, because you brought in Josh Sweat, because you resigned Baron Browning. Those areas would have been need to address entering the draft or entering free agency. Now you could check those off more as one. Now you want to reinforce the position. You want to bolster every single room out there. You want to add competition all throughout. And you mentioned there are still a lot of spots that have yet to be filled in trying to fill out this ninety man roster heading into OTAs and heading into training camp when that time does come. With that being said, though, this roster is starting to shape out a little bit.
We have heard from Josh Swt, Dalvin Tomlinson, you, Gobi Pressett. You had a chance to sit down with each of those one on one in the TV studio. You also had a chance to speak with linebacker Keem Davis Gaither. We'll hear from him momentarily. But when you think about those four sit downs in your conversations as they were getting miked up before the interview conversations afterwards, anything that you could that would stand out amongst all four just individually.
That Jonathan Gannon and Moni Austin Ford have a type, and it's that they want good guys in this building and they don't want players that are gonna be head cases, that are gonna be causing a lot of different problems, that are gonna be adding to so much different drama. The NFL is already entertainment. It's a football league. Obviously sports is the number one priority, but it's also a business and it's a form of entertainment and with that sometimes comes a lot of drama. And the Cardinals don't necessarily want to be a part of They want to have the drama on the field through spectacular plays, Murray magic. You know, you would have loved to see Marvin Harrison junior highlight clip of a one handed grab being played for decades to come. With that being said, though, you don't want to cause drama off the field or problems within the locker room, and through speaking with these guys, I don't expect it from any of them. All four of them really good dudes. I thought Jacoby Werest real class act. He only had a few minutes, about five minutes between when we had them sitting down for the interview and having an exit out of the facility, and we were expecting, like you know what, we might not be able to do this interview. And that's all right. He's going to be in the building in the next coming weeks. However, he was he was willing to carve out a couple more minutes to sit down with us, even though he was tight on the clock. And I greatly appreciate that. Josh Swett funny guy, a little bit nervous when it comes to the lights in the camera, but really good dude. A team will talk about him in a little bit, very fun personality. And then Dalvin Tomlinson is the whole past package all around. He's going to be a fan favorite for years to come.
Oh, there's no question about that. Just in the limited amount of interactions that we've had with Dalvin, he is going to be, to use your phrase, a fan favorite. But you mentioned something that Moni and JG have a type and it goes back to when they first arrive. Yes, you have to be able to play play well. You have to have talent. However, you also have to be a good person because they want good people in that locker room that can also play the game of football. There is a culture that has been established and if you don't fit that culture, well, there's no room for you here in Arizona, despite how well you might be able to play. And we've seen that based off the number of players who've either been released or traded, they're no longer here. So yeah, talent is one thing, but you have to be team first, and we hear it all the time, but you have to put your individual goals, your individual needs behind what is best for the team, and that is getting to win on Sunday.
And it's not to say that every player that is leaving the building does not fit that mold, but at the end of the day, you're paid to win football games and you want to be able to have the guys that fit that character of what Mani and JG are trying to build here in Tempe. But you also want to be able to have the best quality players out there. And when you're able to find people like a Dalvin Tomlinson, like a Josh Sweat who's very quiet and soft spoken but loves to laugh and isn't somebody that necessarily mean. Look, he's going to be at State Farm Stadium sixty five thousand fans are going to be cheering him on any given Sunday. But when it comes down to and then you're sitting down one on one and you know that there's a camera on you, it's a different person. And that's what it ultimately comes down to, is just the personality of these guys. But you also want to be able to have the confidence and the trust that they're going to be able to deliver on Sundays and through those four. Now Jacoby is going to be a backup for Kyler Murray, but you want to have that confidence that when Sunday does come, if he needs to be out there, he's going to deliver. And I believe with all four you're gonna have that confidence.
All right, let's highlight some of these conversations. You are the only one to speak very spect linebacker A Keen Davis gay Theory comes in, has a physical, signs his contract and had only time for you, Zach based off again his schedule. But you are the only one to speak with And we can say this because I did see his social media posts that we put out there. His message to the Bird Gang. We can call him EIGHTYG. That's how he refers to himself. I'm gonna call him adg. It's much easier and simpler to say that.
So how we started off the interview because we like to have a little peek behind the curtain here. When we sat down, I confirmed with him like it's a Keem Davis Gaither correct, and he goes, what you think my last name is difficult? And I was like, well, like, how have people pronounced it before? And he told me some of the craziest pronunciations that he's heard that I don't even think I'm able to, you know, say again. But it's it's similar to how Yell Defrohole was when he came into the building and everyone's hijal da, how do you pronounce your first name your last name? And he was one of those guys where it's like, just just call me Fro, call me, call mero Hole, whatever it is, call me the big Man, Danish, whatever it is. And he was very cool with us. That's his personality A team is very similar in that regard. Was like, you call me adg uh that that that's who I am on the field. I'm adg well who he is as a person as a player. The conversation began that you had with him Zach as far as deciding to leave Cincinnati play for a team other than the Bengals after five seasons, So why Arizona? What attracted him to the Cardinals?
Just the way the coach was talking.
They was fine on my play style, and I mean can't I can't complain by the city. So just knowing young, young coaching staff, young team, is they wanted, they want to win.
I just want to be able to contribute to That would have been the early impressions of the coaching staff there. They are a group that it's known for having a lot of energy, energy, so I gotta be willing to match it. Are you that type of energy player? I mean you were a team captain for the Cincinnati Bengals, or you the leader that leads with your voice or leads by example.
I got to leave by example, but I mean I definitely pulled guys to the side talk talk to them. But if I I mean, if I have to talk talk up in front of people, I mean I'll have a problem with that.
Look, you wear a core special teamer for the Cincinnati Bengals, but when injury struck the defense, you stepped up in a big way. Career highs in games started, tackles, tackles for losses. What do you think you proved in the last six games that you were able to start in that you hope that the Cardinals are gonna worry about the.
Knowledge of the game because I mean anybody can just sit there and just critique people's game from from the iPads as when you're not starting, So it's a little bit different. You got there is uh each game you should be approven. That's why I probably my cell phone each game, each snap, just trying to improve on something, whether that's tackles, uh, coverage, blitzen, any any of those things. So just getting the fill playing mike linebacker. Normally I was playing the will linebacker, so just getting a feel for that and just trying to get better each game.
One of the guys that you'll potentially be playing with is a guy like Mac Wilson's senior and when it was reported that you were joining the Cardinals, he tweeted out of popcorn emoji. Have you been able to talk with Mac or any of your other teammates.
Yeah, man, Matt talked talked a little bit. I mean we played against each other with Cleveland I think we played against each other in with the Patriots, so I know a little bit about him. I mean, he definitely a head thumper.
And that's something that he definitely prides himself on it. And for you, from a special teams perspective, some guys they just play special teams because they need to get onto the field. You're a player that truly prides themselves upon their skill set in special teams. Where does that passion for that phase of the game? Will come from?
Knowing your role and wanted to contribute to the team or whatever way they ask you. So it was more of this being that person for the Bengals. Whatever they asked with me, I was willing.
To do it.
And I mean that's why I prod myself on just as a person, whatever I'm asked, I just try to do my best at it.
The fans here the Bird Gang are going to get to know you in the next coming days, months, weeks, and then once you get to State Farm Stadium, they'll really get to know who ADG is. But between now and then, is there a play or rather which play would you point to that is you said this fully describes who ADG is out on the field.
I mean people, they constantly reminded me of the play against Mahomes. Of course because it's against Mames what was uncovered to in this picking them off? So I mean, everybody keep reminding me.
Of that play.
So I guess we can row with that play.
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Thanks for having so that last part there with ADG. As far as the play that you asked him about that Cardinal fan should go and look up, I actually did. I listened to you, Zach, and I went and so because I was curious. Don't ever say that I don't never listen to you.
I might need to say that sometimes. But you're right.
Picked off Patrick Mahomes. Week three, Chiefs won the game twenty six to twenty five. But Mahomes was picked off twice in that game, and ADG got him late in the first quarter, and specifically he dropped into coverage and it didn't appear as if Mahomes saw him at all, and it wasn't just dropping to the second level, it seemed like he was pretty well almost into the secondary. It was a deep drop, but again showing the athleticism, showing as he mentioned, the knowledge of the game, making sure you're in the right place at the right time to make the play. And again I think it's a good highlight to showcase what he was able to do, especially early in the season, because he didn't really become a starter until late in the season.
I mentioned in the interview when when talking to him, and it was on his profile page on the Cincinnati Bengals website it said corese special teamer and a rotational defensive piece, and you mentioned it. He didn't have many opportunities to start or play meaningful snaps on the defensive side of the ball, but as I mentioned to him in the interview, when he did have that opportunity, he took advantage of it. And there's no better quarterback to try to take advantage of in the NFL than a guy like Patrick Mahomes, who is a back to back Super Bowl champion, three time Super Bowl champion in his career for a reason, one of the best to do it. Under Andy Reid and for ADG to drop to drop back into coverage kind of have that disguise a little bit. Patrick Mahomes simply didn't see him, and then for him to make up to jump up make that grab certainly was an impressive one. And I was happy to hear him cite a defensive play because right now, with as of this recording, without the re signing of Chris Barnes or without the resigning of Kaysier White, he is in that slot right now, if you're looking at the depth chart, or at least our hypothetical depth chart, he could be seeing a lot more defensive snaps than he did see during his time in Cincinnati. So I'm happy to hear him cite a defensive play.
I don't think even if he does play more defensive snaps here, which I anticipate, it does seem like special teams plays a major role or has kept him in the league for as long as it has, and he talked about being that team first again, willing to participate on special teams whatever the team needs him to do. But the fact that he did take advantage of his opportunity in Week three against the Chiefs or later in the season, Logan Wilson goes down to a season indie knee injury. Okay, we hear it all the time. Next man up, Well that was Adg. He gets those starts, he plays a lot of defensive snaps, and all of a sudden, maybe it open up the eyes for several teams, including the Cardinals, say, all right, we saw what he can do, much like the Cardinals saw Mac Wilson's senior rush the passer a little bit more at that tail end of his final season in New England. Okay, come here to the Cardinals. We have a role for you based off what you were able to show, especially late in the season. So I do think you're gonna see Adg on the field a lot next to a Mac Wilson senior. We'll see what else happens as far as that linebacker position is concerned, the inside linebacker position, but I do think it's a play. And then based off of two years five million guaranteed of his ten million reported contract, now, all of a sudden, okay, there's an investment made in someone to be on the field and not just be a spectator.
He was also a team captain with Cincinnati Bengals three h hundred and thirty seven special team snaps in his career. That's a lot of playing time in that phase of the game. And for some of these people, some of these players, when they try to get into the league, that's your only opportunity to see the field. But you would love to have a story like what Dennis Gardek was able to do with the Arizona Cardinals and be that core special teamer and then ultimately work your way into the defensive rotation to ultimately become a starter in that unit. That's the blueprint that adg is following.
Five seasons in Cincinnati, so he leaves the comfort of home. If you will another player who is leaving the comforts of home, and that is Josh Swtt has played his entire seven year career with the Philly with the Phillies, with the Philadelphia Eagles. Well, I you're you're, you're wearing on me a little bit.
We need a big time, big body player to you know, swing for the fences. And if Josh Wett is capable of doing that, I have no problems. If he pulls a don and you know, where's the cardinal red and then translate then transitions over to where Philly's at.
You didn't ask him if he played any baseball? Did you?
No?
I didn't. I mean, look, he was a he was a baller in high school, was the number one rated player in high school at football. So I don't think he had time for it. But then again, Kyler Murray, so who am I?
The The connection though, the Philly connection something that you guys talked about. Yes, he's reunited with Jonathan Gann and he's reunited with Nick even though Rawless was the inside linebackers coach not the outside linebackers coach. But there's some there's some familiarity on that coaching staff that I think makes the transition a lot easier.
I love how he said during his opening press conference that Nick probably thinks he's a little bit too cool. Now, I mean.
That that go from in a position goes to a DC.
Yeah. But it's so you want to see that growth from everybody, and I know that. Jacoby Brissette talked about it with Jonathan Gannon, Josh Swett talked about it with JG. You're able to see these these traits from these people when they're a little bit lower down on the totem pole in their career, but you're able to see that potential of them getting to that high point. You're able to see when JG was with the defensive backs in Indianapolis, Jacoby said he has the ability to be an NFL head coach fast forward down the line here as all these players are maturing, these coaching staffs are also maturing, and they're growing in their roles. So it's encouraging to see. And yes, they're gonna be reunited. And Joshwatt said that was one of the main reasons why he decided to sign with the Arizona Cardinals. He knew that the money was going to be good wherever he decided to end up going, But you cannot replace comfortability and trust with somebody, especially in the NFL.
Arguably, what's two best seasons twenty twenty one twenty twenty two with JG and Nick rollis Pro Bowl in twenty one, career high eleven sacks in twenty two, and I think Sweat is now that looking to make that next step as far as his career is concerned. And the question you posed to him what he thinks he'll be able to do to elevate the other players in this new room, this new outside linebackers room.
You already got a lot of talented guys in there, and they got the right they got the right coaches for sure. I mean, I know for a fact, you know Rillas is going to put him in the right positions, and I mean, we just got to come together. I'm just here to add to it. You know what I'm saying. I ain't trying to do anything special. I just want to work with him and just help hopefully, you know, help help get him over the hump man.
But some great group wh we addressed joshwat we also have to include champion. You just won the Super Bowl with the Philadelphia Eagles. Two and a half sacks in that game, six pressures getting to Patrick Mahomes with ease, and seemed to be the case. You now know what it takes to lift up that Lombardi Trophy, the struggles that it takes to get to the mountain top. Is there something you learned from last season with the Philadelphia Eagles that you're taking with you now in this new chapter with the Cardinals.
And more so, I've been surrounded by a lot of great you know, vets and stuff who pretty much mentored me throughout my first So I'm willing to take that and looking forward to taking whatever they you know, have taught me, you know, and just carrying it on. You know, just a boy, how I go on by my day. So even more than just winning, it was more of the whole seven year thing for being here now. I think that's what prepared me for this.
But it's even longer than seven years. I mean your journey. You went from being somebody that was told you might now I ever play football again, potentially having your leg amputated, to a super Bowl champion, to now an Arizona Cardinal. I know, free agency is normally a time where a lot of people reflect on their journeys. When you when all of a sudden done with your time here in the valley, what do you hope your legacy is going to be?
Damn, that's a hard one to go through, man, I don't know. I couldn't even tell you. I mean, hopefully is extremely positive and hopefully we can win a lot of games. Man, That's what I'm That's what I'm used to and I'm ultimately that's what I want to do and maybe we can get them. You know, the big one.
Full interview that you Zach did with Joshua is up on the Arizona Cardinals YouTube page, and again it's team first, and the fact that listening to your conversation and hearing josh say, hey, he is coming in and looking to be a mentor and looking to be a leader, kind of pay it forward, do what others did for him when he was younger in Philadelphia coming now to Arizona. He is the big man on campus, if you will, and can lend a hand to everyone else.
I'm not here to read into somebody's body language or the way that they talk talk a certain type of way, but I'm going to do that a little bit with my untrained eye and try to speak it out there. When I asked John, when I asked josh Swett about what he hopes for his legacy to be with the Arizona Cardinals, if just for himself when he gets to look down the line considering his journey being somebody that went from potentially having his leg amputating in high school after a freak accident to becoming a Super Bowl champion with the Philadelphia Eagles, And I asked him, what does he hope his journey's going to be and his and his legacy is going to become and he couldn't put it into words. But when you ask him about his teammates, even though he has only been teammates with him for just a little bit of time, had no problems complimenting them, talking about how he plans to elevate the group, how to make everybody else around them better. The confidence, as I mentioned with Jonathan Gannon and Nick rolis for bringing in the right players and also for putting them in the best positions. So I think that that says something about Josh Sweat, his comfort and the ability to talk about his teammates in that way. I will say today, which is Tuesday as of this recording, we know that Brandon Graham announced his retirement and during his retirement press conference, he was talking about being that veteran mentor to Josh Sweat and he said, Josh Wett, this year, I told him, Hey, this team, it's your room. I'm just here to watch over it offer any advice that I'm able to do. But as of right now, this is your room. You're the old guy in this building. And what ends up happening, Josh Wett takes that unit and they end up winning the Super Bowl. So if you're a Cardinals fan and you listen to Brandon Graham's press conference, that should be very encouraging.
Twenty eight years old talking about Josh Sweat, and I do like the fact that again he's coming in for a reason that's to get after opposing quarterbacks. You get at the same time, what can he do for a knock On Wood, healthy bj Ojulari, Xavin Collins, Baron Brownie, Xavier Thomas, whomever else they might add with a draft pick, and all of a sudden, Yeah, there's gonna be a lot of tension on Josh Wett, but I think everyone else in that room can have their games elevated based off just simply his presence on the football field.
Of course, the unit is totally different because you have Dalvin Tomlinson in the middle, You're gonna have a healthy Darius Robinson in the middle, and the interior defensive line you're gonna hopefully have Justin Jones of Belal Nichols showing what they were brought here to do. And then you have to worry about the guys on the edge. And if you're so worried about what Josh Sweats bringing to the table, Well, Baron Browning is on the opposite side, and we know about his athleticism. There's a reason why the Cardinals decided to bring him back. Also, Zavian Collins another year in the position, and you mentioned bjo Julari hopefully going to be healthy coming into this season after that ACL injury. It's a very different outlook compared to where we started in the offseason, where you didn't know what you were gonna be getting. You didn't know if you were bringing back Baron Browning, you didn't know how the Cardinals were going to address the edge rusher room during free agency or during the draft, and what that was going to look like for the interior defensive line. Now you could say, all right, the Cardinals invested in the room, They recognized that there were areas that they needed to improve on. They signed those guys. Now they need to deliver.
First, box checked Josh Wet a four year contract. Second box checked Dovin Tomlinson with a two year deal to address the middle of that interior of the defensive line, someone who does not have a immediate connection with Jonathan Gannon. Yet at the same time talked very highly of JG as part of your conversation and this little snippet from your interview on the Arizona Cardinals official YouTube channel, playing for a defensive minded head coach. How having someone like that to use your word, Zach unlock his skill sets?
Oh yeah, I feel like he has a different perspective almost of if I was back in Alabama with coch Saban has a different perspective of the defensive on up front and just be able to see other things what I need to work on and probably have a different way to work on those in particular things.
Speaking of Alabama, I think we could possibly call this the Alabama Cardinals now with you Mac Wilson, senior, Jodah Williams. How do those relationships help you as you transitioned in this new chapter.
I feel like I'm back in college with Mech like my senior year, and he can help me transition in with the defense just moving out here and stuff like that. And I know he's super excited to get some extra alarm and off of them so he can make some more plays.
I saw on Twitter when it was announced that you were going to be joining the Arizona Cardinals, a clip was floating around of you talking to Evan Brown, the Cardinals left guard, and it was during when you were in Cleveland. He was in Seattle, and you said to them, man, it feels like I play you every single year. Now you're going to be sharing the practice field with him every single day. Basically, how can you help the offensive line and how can they also help you as you practiced and try to make each other better.
H Yeah, just like with Evan. I We've been practicing each other against each other since York. It's crazy with the Giants. And yeah, just like we iron sharpens iron, you know, we go to practice. We're all trying to get better at the practice we have sitting in the locker room. I sit in a locker room with the offensealm and go through things I may see. I may be a flow or something. You give up this when you're about to pool, and just small things like that, and I go a long way when this game did.
In the coming weeks and months, the Bird game is gonna get to know you. But I was doing some research. You're an avid video gamer, you are an artist, You're a major sneaker head. So we're gonna do a start stick cut out of those three hobbies. Which one are you starting? Which one are you sitting? Which one are you cutting?
Always gonna start video games? Uh, that's tough. Definitely gonna probably cut sneaker heads. I got enough shoes. Yeah, what's your favorite sneaker? They have favorite one, probably the Strange Love Dunks, well not Dunks but Sb's but uh or the Ben and Jerry Dunks, those two, the Chunky ones Donkeys.
Yeah, I got you.
There a very unique weight in that interview. There zech something that I had not thought about, but yeah, start, sit, cut, and Dom made it very clear, always going to start video games. Also likes to draw as well, but he was admitted sneakerhead, yet he would cut sneakers if given the choice, based off his level of interest in everything that he Maybe it's.
Because he probably spends so much money on these sneakers. My brother's a sneakerhead, which is why I knew about the Chunky Donkeys even being a sneaker of choice. When he talked about the Ben and Jerry's that those sneakers cost a lot of money. Now with this new contract, I don't think that's going to be He might go right back into sneakerhead and say all right. I apologize for offending you my boxes of sneakers during this interview, but I will go reward you by buying a new new pair. I'm not sure, but what a fun guy to speak with.
The other part of this interview that you brought up, and something that you found was the miked up segment Dalvin Tomlinson and the snippet with Dalvin and Evan Brown and Dalvin's response about iron sharpens iron that now, all of a sudden, I heard that. I watched it again the Arizona Cardinals YouTube channel.
I watched it.
I heard it now all of a sudden, I'm excited for training camp and the one on one pass rush moves because now all of a sudden, it's let me go see Evan Brown against Dalvin Tomlinson. They've been on the field as competitors as on different sides. Now all of a sudden, they're gonna be teammates. But there's still that competition in training camp and even during practices during the week. But now I'm very excited to see what happens. And again with a yell to Froholt, and we'll see what happens on the other side. As far as who's the right guard if that's Isaiah Adams, but that battle because they do think Dalvin we asked him on Cardinals Cover two, Paul and I had a chance as far as he always has a smile on his face always, But does something changed when he steps between the lines and he goes, well, maybe there's a light that goes on. Yet he's always having fun. But again, that's Evan Brown versus Dalvin Tomlinson. That's gonna be something to watch come training camp, of.
Course, and knowing that they have so much experience, and in the clip, Evan Brown walks up to Dalvin and says, I feel like I play against you every single year, and then at the end of the game, Dalvin comes up to him and goes, every year, man, and I think these football players, their IQ and their memory is impressive. It's second to none. So when they go against the player as frequently as that, it's essentially a division opponent. With the way that they were talking about one another, even though Cleveland and Seattle aren't even in the same conference. But I wanted to talk about that with Dalvin because it could make one another better. Dalvin knows how to get by Evan Brown. Evan Brown knows how to try to stop Dalvin Tomlinson. That is only going to make each other better. And when you are practicing against one another during training camp, you start to pick up on each other's tendencies a little bit more. This is totally different because they have prior experience of playing against each other in between the white lines. When it's a win, a win and a loss matters to a team. So he mentioned the iron sharpens iron. He talked about what he's able to do for the offensive line and vice versa training camp is it's gonna be a fun battle at that position.
He also brought up that sometimes he'll sit with offensive lineman and I don't know if that's again after practice or he's going into meeting rooms or whatever. But again you're talking about another voice, and there sometimes too many voices can spoil things and make your head spin. But in this case, I do think it's a different vantage point versus a coach telling you, whether that's Justin Fry or coach Deebo. And now all of a sudden you've got Dalvin coming in and it's more of a collaboration. Hey, you guys are doing this this is great. I'm still trying to figure out what you're doing because I can't get by ords. You know what, You're dipping your shoulder or your feet. You're off balance a little bit. Now, all of a sudden, it's peer to peer versus. A coach pointed it out on film.
When Dennis Gardek was becoming more of a not just a rotational piece, but started to see an increase in snaps at the outside linebacker position. I remember doing an article during the twenty twenty three season about Dennis Gardeck and how he was still learning and growing, and he mentioned how he would sit down with DJ Humphries and hump and him would go over to certain hand motions, the hand placement that would take place after practice. And you start to see that trickle down to the following year when Zavon Collins is working with Paris Johnson, when zaven Collins is also teaching Darius Robinson about certain things when it comes to pass rushing. So when it comes to this roster, it's a bunch of humble guys, it's a bunch of team first guys. You want to be able to keep the tricks to yourself because you want to be able to show your coaching staff, hey look at me. I'm able to get by by using this power move or this finesse move. But when everybody is in alignment, and everybody is working to make one another better, you're a collective team, and a connected team is a dangerous team.
I've heard that before. I know you've been in town long enough to now all of a sudden change sides perhaps and go from the Phillies to the Diamondbacks.
I like that, I know a little bit. But I'm still rocking with the Phillies. I was still in Tampa last week or two weeks ago, so I still love my Phillies. By the way, I do root for the Diamondback success. You have to root for the home team, the local teams. Of course, I love watching as you do great in hockey. That is spectacular. I'm upset that ASU basketball isn't in March madness, you know. But there's one thing I am happy about is that the Cardinals are looking better.
Yes, especially on defense with the additions and the one two punch of Josh What and Dalvin Tomlinson.
But the Suns, though, that's a lost cause. Regardless if I'm a sixers or a Suns fan.
Don't sidetracked us here on Cardinals cover too, that's not a good idea. The one other player that you spoke to free agent addition, Jacoby Brissett quarterback. Now here's someone that I'm very high on. Yeah, at the same time, and I said it earlier. I said it earlier this week on the Red Seat Report. I hope Jacobe never sees the football field during a game in the regular season, preseason by all means, or if he's out there because you need to hold on something or whatever. But here's someone that you hope never starts a ball game, because if he's starting, that means Kyler Murray is not and he's hurt. So but you need that plan B. And I think this is a solid plan B for quarterbacks.
Unless it's Week eighteen in the.
That's a good one. I not thought about that because we did see a handful of teams go to their backup Kansas City Chiefs. Yep, okay, all right, that's fair.
So I would hope in that case we're able to see Jacoby. But regardless, you want to be able to have that confidence that if for some reason, Kyler Murray's not available, who's going to take over? And Clayton Tune is still learning the position, He's still learning the speed of the game. You want somebody that's more experience at that role, and Jacoby Brissett is one of the top backups in the game. Started the last season with the New England Patriots. Was kind of that bridge quarterback for Drake May. But still you knew that if for some reason Drake May was not available to play, you have confidence and if you were in New England that Jacoby Brisset what he was able to bring during his second stint in New England. He's had multiple different stops. He's played in the same quarterback room as Tom Brady and Andrew Locke and Philip Rivers and Tua and a lot of others. So he knows what it takes to be a great quarterback at the position. He's just he's not Tom Brady, which is which is fair to say, very few people are still. Jacoby comes in and he's automatically upgrades that room and brings everybody up around them.
Fifty three career starts over nine seasons, five different teams. The Cardinals, according to Jacoby, reached out two years ago. We all thought it made a natural fit because of the Drew Petsing connection in Cleveland. But Jacoby even brought up that a year ago that there were phone calls and overtures maybe before the Desmond Ritter trade, but they were trying to get perhaps Jacoby here with the Cardinals. So there's been there's been constant communication to try to get Jacoby here, and finally in year three, Jacoby is back. Reunaited with Monty asin Ford, who was part of the Patriots staff when Brissette was selected, familiarity with Jonathan Gannon during their time together in Indianapolis, and then obviously the connection with Drew Petsing and Israel Warfwork going back to their time in Cleveland. And it's that part of your conversation, Zach, that I want to play here, and that is Petsing's coaching style and why Jacobe likes.
It so much.
His mindset going into games. You know, his how he breaks everything down and makes it simple for the quarterback to play. I think when I was playing there, I think I was playing really good ball, and you know the way he handled the meeting rooms and things like that. It definitely helped me. You know, towards the.
Field, towards the back end of the season. Last year, you were at State Farm Stadium for the Patriots versus the Cardinals. I know you're on the up posing sidelines, and the Cardinals came away with the win. But when you were watching that game and even leading up to it as you were prepping for the Cardinals, what'd you see from the Cardinals offense and defense that stood out to you?
You know, obviously on office, a lot of a lot of you know, a lot of good players, a lot of explosive players, and it was kind of cool to see all the ways that Drew kind of used that Cleveland offense and fit the players into the system and kind of built around the guys that he had that he has here. So you know, that was that was very exciting. I was trying to call the plays from the sideline and see if I was getting them right. And then obviously the defense was always tough to go against. You know, you got a guy at least like Buddha, you know, you know, it's a lot of fun to watch him. Obviously as an opposing player, is very tough to go against.
It. How often were you correct when you were guessing.
Probably twice so that I thought it was yeah, exactly. I thought it was kind of good just because I knew what Drew liked and I knew some of the plays that he always tries to sprinkle in.
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Nice nugget right there that Jacoby gave to you that I know Darren Urban picked up for his article on Easycardinals dot Com. But last season as far as being the opponents on the opposite side when the Cardinals play the Patriots and Jacoby again the backup trying to figure out if he could guess the correct play calls, and your follow up as far as yeah, it might have happened a couple of times, but still that's that's two more than most when you're trying to find play that guessing game, if you will, between offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator.
Like I said, it's good that things are changing because if Jacoby was able to pick out every single one, well know the Cardinals are going to be winning that game. Still, it's great to see that Jacoby still knows what offensive coordinator Drew Patson is thinking from his time when Drew was his quarterbacks coach. We know how often and how much time is spent with these position coaches, with the players in their room, and they built friendships. Jacoby talked about how in his opening press conference about how it was weird for him not talking to Israel Wolfork because they're just discussing golf and you know, rgular conversations. And once Jacoby says, hey, wait a minute, like what are you guys doing over there in Arizona, Jacoby's like, I can't. I can't mean. Coach Wolfork's like, I can't discuss this stuff. You know that it's that it's not the legal contacting period, the legal negotiating period. And then once the period opened up, Jacoby was able to find out that Israel Wolfork they might have had some interest in him, and that the Cardinals wanted to reignite those conversations. Still, it's awesome that even a few years separated from his time with Drew Petsing, he knows what his new offensive coordinator likes to call and what he's thinking with the Browns.
In twenty twenty two, Jacoby in eleven starts, four wins, but the twelve touchdowns, six interceptions, and he had career highs in both completion percentage and passer rating. Again, that was with Petsing as your QB coach, and is he in the room as well, But now you've got Petsing as your offensive coordinator probably similar. I mean, there have been some tweaks between twenty twenty two and now going into twenty twenty five what Petsing likes to run, and I think we're all in agreement that it's run first with some tight end work. Now all of a sudden, you've got a quarterback in there that can further help Kyler Murray familiarize himself with this offense and maybe even add some tweaks to it within the scheme, because everyone has what they want to do, and then how do you enhance that each week to make sure you get the win.
Still, caution people, because as excited as we can be about the familiarity with Drew Petsing and his wolf fork and knowing what Jonathan Gannon was like as a defensive backs coach in Indianapolis, and then also Manti Austin for recruiting him as the director of college scouting when the New England Patriots had to pick and ended up drafting Jacoby Brissett. A lot has changed, as you mentioned, and also Drew Petson has become a play caller. It's no longer just a quarterbacks coach. You learn a lot as a play caller when you have certain ideas and certain visions. When you're the quarterback coach, you could only instruct your guy about how the technique, the movements, where he wants, the eyes being where he where, how to throw with his eyes more than just with his arms, because you want to be able to find that wide receiver out there, the different soft spots in an opposing defense. But when Drew Petson becomes the offensive coordinator, it's a totally different ballgame because he's not just focused about the quarterback. Obviously, that's where it starts. An end is what the quarterback is able to do. But he's got to be focused to making sure that there's no flags on the offensive line. Wants to make sure that his wide receivers have enough separation out there. Still knowing that knowledge of what Drew Petson does like because once you're coordinator and once your quarterbacks coach and a football savat like those guys are, you still know what you enjoy and you still know what makes them tick. That's something that is irreplaceable that Jacoby bris said, as you mentioned, is able to bring in the room because he knows drew from those earlier periods. He's able to help now that he is with the Arizona Cardinals.
And it's not just Kyler, It's going to be a benefit for Clayton Tune as well, who is still young in this league. In fact, you can make an argument that Clayton Tune might improve even more and have a maybe maybe look at this Jacoby addition to further his own career, whether it's here or somewhere else, and look back and say, oh, yeah, when Jacoby entered the room, that's where I the light bulb went on and I really started to get it. The game started to slow down, and I was able to produce again. Whether that's practice, a preseason, or whenever we might see Clayton Tune again. Who knows, but you always have to be ready, and I think again, having a veteran backup in there just makes this team again. You need that Plan B. Jacoby Brissett his Plan B.
It's tough to develop a backup quarterback when you spend so much time on your starters and putting together a game plan and Clayton tune might have gone, you know, lost behind that because so much time is spent on making sure Kyler Murray is ready to go week one, week two, make sure that the offense is in sync with one another. When desmie Ritter was here, desmid Ritter was also still trying to learn how to be a starting quarterback. He had that first season in Atlanta was kind of man then started the second season in Atlanta tailed off towards the back end of it, and then he comes over here to the to the Valley, and he's also still learning. He's also still trying to redeem himself in recognize that he's only a few seconds away from earning those starting snaps. That's difficult for a quarterback that has spent all of his career starting to then slide into that backup role because they're so used to being in that spotlight. Jacoby has spent a lot of his career eighty three games, fifty something starts, eleven starts during when he was in Cleveland. He knows what it takes to be a solid backup quarterback. The importance of being a backup quarterback, not having that attention being on him while also still working towards a game plan each week.
It takes a special player to be that kind of guy if you want to still remain in the league even though everyone wants to start. But hey, I can still play this game and gee and just be at the ready. Everyone has a role, and Jonathan Ganna likes to say roles can change. But right now, going into the off season, as far as the offseason work, the role of Jacoby Prissett is backup quarterback to elevate not only Kyler but Clayton Tune's performance as well.
How I started off the interview with Jacoby, I said, MANI Austin for one. Competition in every room, and the quarterback room is no exception. Whatever Jacoby Brissett is able to do, if he's able to make Kyler Murray one percent better, if he's able to to help pick up Drew Petson's scheme in a different way that Kyler might not have already thought about prior, that's an automatic win for this Cardinals team.
All of Zach's one on one interviews and including his exclusive conversation with adg Up on the Arizona Cardinals YouTube channel, great job, great research, as well, not just asking the basic questions, but actually going in depth and trying to figure out stuff about these individuals as people and players as well. So two thumbs up, two thumbs up.
I appreciate it. Yeah, definitely get to know these guys beyond the numbers, even though we don't know what their jersey numbers are yet, not yet we want to guess, but yeah, not yet, we could guess. Still, it's great to get to know these people as people more than just the guys that will suit up on Sundays. Still, though we're very pumped about the guys that are gonna be suiting up on Sundays.
You have set the bar very high for yourself here on the early onsets of twenty twenty five.
I'm ready to go. They better be ready to go too, went them to say in their Hall of Fame speech, When I came to the valley.
No, yeah, that's not happening.
I know it's not. But a kid could dream.
Okay, I thought you had a I thought you weren't worried about your head size. He said you had a small head. Now all of a sudden, this your.
Dreams have nothing to do with the head size.
Okay, the ego. Oh that's a different story.
Still has nothing to do with the actual head size. But still this head might be a small but the ego might be big.
Oh I can you got that clips? Yeah? That's that's that's getting clipped.
This is raw.
Yeah okay, hey how about that? On that notes, we will put a lid on this edition of Cardinals Cover two presented by Hundai, probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals Special. Thanks as always to our executive producer Jim Mamure, our associate producer Coddy Fincher. For Zach Kershman, I'm Greig Rayel Lou. We'll talk to you next time you're on Cardinals Cover two.