Refilwe Moloto speaks to author of ''Church Mafia'', Pastor Makhado Ramabulane on his lived experience with Occultism, and finds out how prevalent the practices are in South Africa and On the back of the Klawer teens murder, Refilwe Moloto speaks to WITS cultural studies professor Nicky Falkof, who has studied the occult phenomenon and elaborates on it's presence in South Africa.