In an op-ed piece in Die Burger newspaper last week, former ANC Parliementary spokesperson Dennis Cruywagen made the assertion that the current ANC is more aligned to the thinking of Apartheid architect Hendrik Verwoerd than the late president Nelson Mandela. Lester Kiewit discusses this assertion with Dennis Cruywagen, with a counterargument from Dr Wesley Seale, member of the Provincial Executive Committee of the ANC in the Western Cape.