Calorie Audio. I'm klen Emerson and welcome to season two of Can You Survived This Podcast? Where the interview is just as dangerous as the scenarios I put my guests through from hostage situations to natural disaster's, car jackings, active shooters, and more. If you're looking for the skills necessary to survive these situations, than this is the show for you. Thanks for coming back and listening to another episode of Kenny Survived This Podcast. I wanted to say thank you to everyone that prepurchased and purchased The Rugged Life. As you guys know, it's out on shelves everywhere books are sold. But of course the easy button is literally Amazon and UH, any five stars or comments you can give it would be great so that it remains at the top of the rankings and search analytics. UH today we've got uh. He's he is a genuine badass. He is a code named or nicknamed pretty Boy. He's an Australian professional boxer, holding the Commonwealth Super walter weight title in two thousand eighteen. He's Australia's number one middle weight. He is number five w A w b A middle weight and number two ib F middleweight and is about to be set up for a world championship September October. I want to welcome Michael's Rafa to the show. Let me let me have him pronounce his last name properly. Welcome buddy, Thanks thanks for having me so throw that throw your last name out there, because I butt your last names all the time. Okay, so I kind of mumbled it just right. Um man, it's awesome to see you again. I know. The last time we were hanging out was also obviously s as Australia, And uh did you watch the show over there? Uh? Yeah, I did come out really good. I was disappointed obviously I couldn't get through, but actually sustainished serious indwhich took six months to heal. And I was shut. It sucked, man. I felt for you and uh and it Uh yeah, I think you would have. You would have gone to the end, no doubt, because you've got the heart and the spirit and obviously you're tough. So and that's that's really all it's about, right, Just like what you're doing. Passion drives drives the success, you know, So I have a little you know, we gotta do a rapid fire, get us all warmed up here and uh cozy together and uh and then we'll get into all the all the SCS stories and talk about your your your upcoming world championship fight. So of course I gotta get some boxing rapid fire in here. So here we go. Um the jab or the hook jab? Yeah? Uh? Work in your hands or work in your feet. Uh for work work yeah. Uh gloves or no gloves. Uh gloves come on a little street fight every now and then. All right, now, this one's kind of going back to s Yes, you would you eat water or fire? Uh, I'm gonna and for where you're at, I have to throw this in just for the American listeners. The kangaroo or the koala kangaroo. Kangaroo they're little fucking those are mean little bastards, aren't they dangerous? Man that they looks full and the cheating, but the dangerous they'll knock you out, all right? Uh? The straight or a hook m hmmo hook Yeah, all right, Bob or we've we've angle is the key, there no doubt about it. All Right. We did a short one because we know we need to get you into training. So I'm gonna circle back to the top. Jab versus hook. You picked the jab? Is that like your is that your thing? Andre said, I just feel like the job sets up everything. Um, you know they say that JEB takes around the world. You know what I mean it it's the can open up. You start with it, you finished with it, you know, and you can win. You can win thoughts of the JEB. Yeah. I remember when I was putting a Combat edition. I there's a there's a h a silver medalists boxer from the UK but also went pro for a while, and he was in in the book. You know, we got talking about jabs and I like some of the points he made is like, you know, when you need to like defensively break up an attack, a jab is just a great way to kind of get yourself out of that problem, right, does that Do you feel like that's true? Yeah? When you know, you know, you know, when you can't set something up, you know, you're just waving that out there, you're popping the jab and it it sets everything up. And like you said, when you're in trouble, you know, as they're coming in, you're just popping that job about It stops their momentum and and and braks what they're about to do. So I just feel like a jab you know, of one a few fights just with my job, you know, like they're stalled just in the match mine, and you know the only way to save it is just on that job on the outside. And I really feel like that's that's the key in boxing. If you've got a good job, good footwork, you pretty much set. Yeah. Man, I love the job too, and obviously I'm way amateur, but that's the one thing I like working on any bag. It's just working on that speed, uh, combined with the power and just seeing how fast but how devastating you can make it. You know, it's just fun. Um, What is your favorite workout as it relates to the jab? What? What do you What is something a listener can do to make their job better? Everyone trust to up on that on that left hand. You know, obviously it's your left hand. You know you're you're not going to knock anybody out with that. So for me, I just flick it open hand, back hand, Just just flick it out there, and that's what you get your speed, um, And you're timing everyone tries to close fist and trying to step in with that that power shop. But for me, like I said, open hand and just keep it working. It's it's the set everything up. You know. Everyone tries to you know, make it a right hand and it's never going to be the case. And for me, like I just I just keep flicking up and down, you know, levels to the body, to the head, back to the body. Um and your open hand, which if you keep open hand, you'll get the speed. Um, You'll you'll get that that that that timing and like I said, it says everything else up. So even when you have a glove on, your hand is loose correct. Yeah, that's what I mean. Like I've got the job. I'm just flicking, you know, just thinking because I know it's not going to knock anybody out. I'm trying to land the right hand, you know, so I'm trying to go as quick as I can with the left just touch of touch, touch to come over the top of the right hand. Um. But that's why I mean a lot of people that aren't familiar with boxing or you know what that jab is actually meant for. They're trying to load up everything and by the third round your gas you know, it's a twelve round five, you know what I mean? It's up. You know. You gotta set everything up, you know, and I'm trying to land that that big left tool or that big right hand so left the jabs just they can't open up. It's just to um to get that measure. I get that level into set everything up. Yeah, I love it, um handwork, feetwork. You picked footwork? Is that just because is that your specialty or you you're good at that or what what as a young as a young you know Amadur and and you know, former Olympian and stuff like that, we just worked highly on footwork, you know, and that's key if you if you if you move, you don't get hit, you know. So you want to be you know, creating angles and you want to be fast on your feet and that and again that sets everything up. You know, if you're standing in the middle of someone, you're just an easy target. When you're moving around the joint, you know, it's a lot a lot harder to be hit. Um. You like I said, anyone can throw a punch, but not everyone has footwork. So for me, I truly believe that footwork is another case to success boxing. And do you get them? Where do you what do you get them when when you're training and you're trying to develop your footwork, is there any one thing you feel like you it works the best? Is it? Shadow boxing? Is it? You know in the ring? Just working you know, you know I've I've done these little exercise where there'll string lines across the ring. Yeah, we do that. Yeah, And you're just working. You're working your feet, you're working your head, You're kind of working it all together. But is there any one thing you like to do for me? I just visualized, Like visualization is key, um, you know in the ring shadow boxing, and just imagine it as an opponent in front of your and you know he's throwing all these shots and you just slip in moving weaving, uh, and you just take your tonge Again, it's something that it can't be rushed, you know, you're just it's like ballroom dancing. It's the same steps forwards side. There's only four movements that's the forwards black side to side side. Um, you just take your time and really try to implement the right steps because times you can step the wrong way and get caught. So yeah, really taken the time and just visualizing just who's in front of and you know you're apparent in front of you, just moving your head, moving your feet and um, finding that rhythm. Rhythm is key. Yeah, I like it. Um of course gloves, no gloves, you picked gloves, I mean makes sense. I mean you are a professional boxer. Now have you getting hit gloves? Have you? Have you gotten into a scuffle? Uh? In recent years? Are you? Are you try to be good these days? Now? When I was younger, was a bit of a badass, as you put it, I am. Look, I guess when I first started, I used to think I was the best, you know, when if we was out of my mates or whatever. This was a good ten fifteen years ago, I would I wouldn't say no to a street fight, you know, I'd love love to get in a bit of a scuffle. But obviously now M a professional, highly well ranked. Um, you know, people look up to me and stuff like that too, so you know, I try to be someone good I side of the ring as well. So I'm mature now and I'll just try to walk away from any corner any drama. Enough drama far enough my loft, you know. Yeah, yeah, well, and I know that any of anybody who's a pro or you know, you could be a professional soldier, professional fighter of all sorts. They usually are the ones that are not going to go look for a fight, nor are they going to engage in one. They're definitely the more mature, grown up ones because they know, deep down inside you never really know who you're going toe to toe with, and that can be a dangerous moment for anyone out there, right, So it's just better to kind of walk away, unless, of course they funk with you. Notful, then you know, you gotta show me his boss. I'll get all the song. I know people recognize me, and if not, everybody locks you. You You know, some people do try to stay in for me. I just stat a south What wouldn't ask for your advice. I don't care what You've got to stay, you know, So I for me, I just keep walking. Um no, I just I don't know. It gets me. You know, the younger me would used to be a very impatient, short tempered dude. But now in thirty of you know, my career comes first, that's right. Yeah, you gotta protect it, um water or fire? You picked fire? Oh man? The scary is so for listeners, let's fill them in. Yeah, the first task and s as Australia was we lit, we let you on fire, and then you had to sprint. You had to sprint to a basically a river and put yourself out. And then um, shortly after that, like a day or two later, I think then it was the uh then it was um the bee hive where we put you in water and then you had to uh, you know, remain calm and not freak out because your borderline drowning. So you picked fire obviously over you rather burn to death than drown, right, I would rather than me though, But I mean, think you on that show. I thought I was okay swimming to low went onto that show and I was trying to swim and I wasn't moving, you know, and I started panicking and water was getting my lungs and I was like ship man, like, you know, at least on lands, I can try to run, you know. I mean I was, but I mean when he went into stood in front of me and it was like, you know, you run when I tell you to run, I was like Jesus. And he couldn't feel that it was getting hot, you know. I was like, man, he can't feel what I'm feeling. Yeah, so I kind of panicked a little bit, but I mean I wouldn't if I could dodge both. I definitely Wood. Yeah, you did good though, man, he did good, and you were doing you know, it wasn't until later we found out that, you know, obviously you had a serious injury and you were you were pushing through it like a champ obviously because you're the champ um. All right, kangaroo or koala. You picked the kangaroo and we kind of already touched on it. They're evil little bastards, crazy man Like, they're here all the time. Sometimes you open your front door and they're just standing in the front of house. There's Savy's van bits um. They were cool animal, but yeah, like I said, you can't get too close to them because they'll rip you in a half. Now. They jump on their tails, they throw their feet at yeah, actually box and yeah, they're a fascinating animal. But again you can't get too close to them because they are very very dangerous. Yeah. Did you see that video that was on social It's been around probably for a year or two. The guy, Yeah, yeah, and then the guy he saves the dog and then he goes into this boxing stance with a yeah, and I was like, that was nuts. Yeah, yeah, been, they're crazy. There's been so many accidents with people that try to get too close to kangaroos and there their units, there's six ft two. Well they're they're massive animals, man, and they're built like you know Schwartzenegger in his peak, you know their monsters. Yeah, yeah, they get ripped. I know that. There's another video on social that shows a kangaroo that looks like he's on steroids. But they're all yeah, yeah, they're all they're all built that way. Though. I don't think people realize that the um, okay, the straight or the hook you pick the hook? Yeah, hook is a very dangerous punch because it comes outside you know, your pre a full vision, and if you get landed in time, it right, it's all over. You've won the fight, you know. And I've won a lot of my fight, my last fight, perfect example, And as he came in, I just touched with their job. I just on the outside him with that hook and once it goes past a certain point, you can't see that, so hit you basically without them even realizing. Um. So if you can really perfection that, you know, your your hook can win a fight every time. Yeah, and do you you prefer I mean even the body shots. I mean those are fucking devastating, right, I mean worse than a head shot. You know, head shots you can you can take, but you know you can shake them off once you get hit to the body, which you know having in previous fights, you know, and it takes a good two or three rounds if you to get that rhythm back. You know, it just takes a complete gas completely out of you. And that's a loose place to be, man, because when you've got a guy trying to take your head off and you're only in round two or around three, and you've got twelve rounds to go, you know, it's it's a dangerous. It's a dangerous place to be. Yeah, damn. Yeah, hooks or I'm not good at those for some reason. I don't know what it is exactly. I might be back over there in October. I don't know. Um So, the bob and the weave, you got the Yeah, you picked the weave, But I was really that was more of a kind of a trick question because they're kind of in sort of the same Yeah, Well, the we've the we've like, you know what I was doing, you're bobbing. I took it as if your bobby were just staying in the same spot. Really you're just ducking, you know. But when you're weaving, you've got the hit movement. You can create angles off that angles is a key. You know. It's like you know, being on a train track and the trains coming you know, at full pulp. You know, if you're running backwards as far as you can, it's still gonna hit you. If you take two steps left, you're off the train tracks, you're not gonna get hit. You know. That's the same with bossing. You know, if I never go backwards. If I do go backwards, I'll pivot off, always create an angle, you know, and um, and then you reset and you go back from there. But you know, I think weaving moving the hit movement is I think key. You know you gotta you gotta do it right. No, it's all good stuff. I appreciate the input. Man. Um. Now let's go ahead and dive into everything that. Let's get we'll dial back a little bit. You uh, where when did you get into boxing? Like, what's the history for you? Solutely a seven years old said to my parents, I'm gonna be a world champion. I said, one day I'm gonna be I'm gonna sell out stadiums and have a boat around my waist. And um, again, seven years old, I had no idea. I think I watched Rocky went into a few youth clubs back in the days, and I just fell in love with it. And I said, you know, this is where I want to be. And all my family did like martial arts and kung fu and all this other stuff, and for me, I said, now I want to be boxing, you know. And I said I'm gonna be a world champion. And I never looked back. And it's been it's been a hard life. And I dropped out of school a year eight to chase my dream. Um. You know, I didn't have much backing. My parents didn't support it. Um, it's been tough. But I said to myself, you know, eventually the dream will pay off and I will be a world champion. And you lucky enough, I'm getting more opportunity to show. Yeah. So while we're on that note, Um, you said September October time frame World championship. This is middleweight correct? Correct? Yeah? And where will this be in Melbourne, so Australia. So some my opponent who's number one, because I'm currently number two mandatory to number one. He's from Brazil and he's undefeated in thirty fo good farting you know, south Pole. It's uh. He said that he's happy to come down to Melbourn, Australia and take what's roughfully, He's sorry. Like I said a few I said that thirty student finally with the same outcome and you know, thirty fail. Yeah, dude, that's gonna be fucking great. I hope I'm there. I'm gonna come to that damn thing. Uh well, I was speaking to and actually I'll say if you boys are down there, but you guys tickets and um okay, yeah, just count me in regardless of uh whether I'm there. Yeah, I'll fucking come support you. I'll stay in your corner, you know, threaten you with with the bee hive if you don't win, especially with one arm and put the swim like yeah you couldn't. Man, it was it was that point when you were trying to get out. I think I was like, oh this guy's hurt. Yeah, my shoulder come completely off. Yeah. So let's talk about that next. You're so, you're it was your was your right right, it was my my left shoulder, your left, your left, um, And it happened on day one, right, go ahead. And so literally when we got out of the the little boat thing and we swam to Aunt and then we had to driving the water after fire and then we'll doing the sand sprints and the burpees and all that stuff. Yeah, it was climbing on the sand and as on the wet stuff, it was all good. You know, it was hard. But as I come up the sand on the dry as I pulled myself, I just I felt the pop and my C six discs slipped and hit the nerve and um, I think it was lucky that was next to because you were right on what man like O my shoulders on fire. And then like and then Ali come behind me and started, oh you're big, noting yourself and started yelling at me, and I was like, yes, I've got scarce. I kept running and then um, you know, I knew straight away there was something wrong. But again you know, being strong wind, I said, you know what, I've come here to do a task and I'm not gonna definitely not because I knew I was going to get to the end, like I was willing to die on that show. But um, obviously in the beehole, I just couldn't. I was actually drowning because I couldn't have only had one arm, and I don't know how I got through that climbing one. Yeah, I know that's the I only watched I think two of the episodes, two or three of them, but I definitely saw you doing the climb when and that was where it was. I mean it was impressive. Yeah. I was trying to ropes and I was the first one to go to and I was like Jesus Christ and I was like, you know, we got through it. And he goes, oh you were too slow. Somebody did it with one arm and got the bag. You did? You did? Do you remember telling a good job at the top? I mean I was like, damn, that's good. You pulled it off, even injured. So good on you. So what ended up? So you ended up having surgery or what was the deal? So what I had they were going to do surgery, but obviously I said, look if they start handing out, I was booked in to fight December, and um, so I had six months of basically rehab strengthening. I had to see surgeons. I have to see the works. And to this day still I don't have full strength back in my left side. My chest completely got rid of all this muscle. Um, I lost everything. So I've had to build it back from strength from the start. And it's about it's about done now, and um it's looking it's looking good. But man, it was. I couldn't even move my fingers at one point. Holding a one killo weight was like impossible. Yeah, that's demoralizing, right, I mean I was so shattered. I was more shattered that I was only there for two days. I was like, Jesus, that's a big game. That's okay, that's all you needed, right, I'm sure you can come back if you want. I've actually reached yet. And and the boys that said, Mike, you know, this was one of my dreams to coach at the end, and you know, hopefully they get back, give me back, and you know, is it a redemption or repeat? Now? It's it's a good story, long, good peach long for Channel seven. Yeah it is. It'll make for good, great TV as they as they obviously they want, right, I mean exactly what it's all about. Hey, this is Clint Emerson, retired Navy seal. 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And then I ended up getting massed with a fellow wuzzy, Damian Hooper, who ended up beating me. So it was unlucky because normally an Ozzi doesn't fight another Lozzy. But the way that the way it all worked out, I got massed up with him and I knew, I knew I couldn't beat him. He was just he was an absolutely gun at the time, and just too much experience. That Um, it was great experience. And as soon as I lost that, I said, you know what, you can't pay bills with trophies. It says time to turn pro. Um. And on my eightiighth birthday, turned professional and I haven't looked back again. Fights in now and I fought my fought everyone in my country, and I fought seven world champions all around the world. So it's, um, it's been a crazy, crazy journey. It's and I'm only young. I'm only thirty years old. With that much experience is a is a lot. Yeah, Now, what do you think about this punk gass American Jake Paul or whatever the hell his name is. What do you think about that? Look? Yeah, I said this all the time because you know, you guys look back and you're looking at mummad Ali and sugar A Land all that, and then like, you know, twenty years from our three years from now, we're gonna be looking back at Jake Paul and it's pathetic. You know, this is not a fighter. He was on Disney back in when he was seven eight years old, and I mean it's journey. Here's he's making money. But it takes away from guys that are legitimate fighters, because these guys are you know, taking our main events and pay per views and all that. When you guys like myself, everybody bridges all these other you know, real real fighters and they're stealing out they're stealing our platforms, and it's it's it's sad because it's not like I can you know, quick box and say next week put me in the forward line and playing football. You know, it doesn't work like that where these guys wake up one morning they're like, oh yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna be a boxer and it just takes takes the piece out of sport a little bit. But yeah, what can you do, I guess and I'm not for it. Down here in Australia we've got a little if L players and rugby players that quit the sporting and play boxing. You can't play boxing now. I try to say this a little time, you know about I do it, and it is it is. Yeah, I agree with you. I think it devalues the sport um when you have a YouTuber just decide to, you know, go jump on a big platform. I mean, he's got a lot of platforms on the social side, and he's made a name for himself, you know, kind of being a show boat and a jackass. And then you know, and he gets whatever he wants. So, you know, because revolves around money, right, So if he's going to bring in a bunch of people who are willing to you know, pay per view a fight, and he picks these m m A guys and he picks like he doesn't really pick a real fighter, or at least not yet. So um, I wish Tyson would get in there and just beat his fucking skull in overcau Is apparently wants to fight him, and you know, like I said, he hasn't fought anybody, and he's fighting guys that are you know, he fought a basketball for an x UFC fighter that wasn't even he wasn't even the best middleway in his gym, you know, and he's calling out these guys and you know, it's it's pretty pretty disappointing. I'd love to fight him, you know, and I'm probably ten division smaller, but I'll still fight him. Yeah, I think he'd whip his ass at least I hope you would. But uh, well yeah, I was kind of curious about that. Now what about Tyson? Now he that motherfucker man, Like, he's just still an animal, right, I mean just about many many of a few times. He's come to Australia a few times and when I was overstay As I meet him as well, and he's just one scary dude man, Like, he's scary at sixty. Imagine him in his prime, thirty years old, ready to go, Like that's something I would definitely not want to stand in front of, you know, no matter how much money they gave menderstand. Yeah, those are hooks that you don't want to be a part of. Yea, He's one scary do a lot. I could not imagine, you know, standing in front of that guy in his prime, ready to go to twelve rounds back then would have been fifteen rounds. I think, Yeah, with him, that's just ridiculous. Yeah, yeah, he has some he has that he has that crazy in him, that's scary, crazy thing, like he can just flip a switch and fucking just destroy people's Yeah he's not John. Yeah, that's uh that I agree, man, that's one guy that I'd be like, what the fuck? Oh, he's got nick right, Like, how do you knock somebody out don't have a neck. You need the neck. We need this, we need yeah, we need the coup counter coup action to knock him out. You can't do it if they don't have a neck. It's all traps. Uh. So haters, you brought them up. You've got some haters out there. I say, if you don't have hate, you're not doing anything right. You know. Yeah, that's true. You gotta have haters. And I've got them all the time. You know, they troll on your social media. But you know what's funny, I've got all these haters and not one I've met in person. You know. That's that's that's always the case. You know, Like they'll jump on social media on Instagram and Facebook and they'll troll you and say this, so you know they'll bag you and try to bring you down. But you know you've when you're in front of your face, they try to be you know, your best friend. And I always say, if they knew better, they'd be doing better in life. That's right, that's a good thing like that, if they knew better, they'd be doing better in life, correct, And because taking to to trash somebody, you know, I feel sorry for these people because if they're taking their time into their day too to jump on social media and try to bring someone else's success down, you know, it's it's I just feel sorry for him. You know, no one successful people want to see other people be successful. These people, I don't want to say anybody do better than them. And that's what's you know, that's why I try to help. I want to help people like this because you know, we're trying to as as humans were meant to be helping each other. You know, I'm not bringing each other down. Yeah, no doubt. Do you do you kind of ignore? Do you even read comments anymore? On social media or any of that stuff you just stay away from? Really know, I used to, you know, because I used to. I used to read them and then so I knew who they were. And then when I at events and stuff that I'll make sure I'm like, oh that's the guy that you know that was, and I'm going to say something zoom. But now, like I said, if I wouldn't ask for your advice, I would, I don't care what you're gonna say, you like if I if I'm in trouble and I wouldn't go to you for help, Well, your your opinion means really nothing to me, you know, right, Yeah, yeah, I get my I get a little bit here and there too, and I just ignore it. I don't even read. I don't read any of the comments anymore. It just, you know, most of them are positive when I do go, look, but I just I just don't have time for it. And I feel like it's it's a it's something, it's one thing. It's one more thing that requires energy that I feel like it just doesn't It doesn't deserve the time most of it, you know, most of the time, it doesn't deserve it. And then if there are people saying positive stuff, then I do try to give them some energy back and at least like the comment or say thank you. You know, but that's about all I'll do is I'll they like something or I'll say thank you, and everything else is just bullshit. I'm exactly the same. You gotta you gotta try to save the energy, not lie that. That's right, and I think more people should. I mean, when you're the social media, I mean, it's it plays a big role in mental health, as we all know. And it's like you just got to learn how to uh ignore it. And self discipline is hard to come by these days, and uh I always always relate it to parenting, right, So the best skill you could give your child or give anyone is self discipline. And the way that then, where it starts is with no. You have to say no to someone enough times to the point where they can say no to themselves. And once they learned to say no to themselves, then they now have achieved self discipline, right. And it's like, but it's kind of a hard thing for people to do these days because they get sucked in by social media comments, what someone's doing, what someone's not doing, who's pretty, who's not pretty? You know, all this bullshit out there, and it does you know good at the end of the day, Like you, it's just gonna put you in a bad mood. So just don't even bother looking. But you gotta tell yourself no, don't do it. Yeah, I agree. And every time you drop on social media is it's all fake, you know, like everyone's showing their perfect life and that's not the case. You know, like there's days that you feel like ship. There's days that you hate life. You know, there's days that that's just that's that is life, you know. I mean it's a roller coaster of some days a great, some days of ship and um, you know, you jump on social media and everyone's got this perfect, you know, famous life and it's like, you know, it's just it's not real. And I'll try to staff as much I can, like I said, if I wouldn't, I'll use it as a promotional tool. You know, I don't use it to talk about my life or what I'm doing. It's it's literally for my boxing, you know, to make my career. Talk to promoters. Now, let's let's supporters know what's happening around in my career, you know. I mean, I don't. I don't waste time and trying to bring someone else down and stuff like that. It's pointless. You get you get nothing out of it. And you know, for me, like I said, when for for parents, and a lot of these people are parents. And then I say this all the time, even when I want TV and radio and stuff down here, I say, these parents, I feel sorry for the kids because you imagine what they're going to do in ten years from now, and as kids, you know, when when the baby falls down, you know, everyone's there trying to support it, you know, clapping, saying, oh, you know, getting it back up for the baby to walk, you know. But then as you're getting older, it changes. When you do something right, everyone's telling you you can't do it, you're not good enough, you know, don't even bother you know, So it's weird it changes. You know, as as you're younger, you're meant to get all this support, and then when you're older you get nothing. So yeah, yeah, it is kind of strange, it is. It's like it's just you know that once again, it goes back to haters and if you're if you're on the road of success, they want to try and funk it up, you know, because it makes them feel better about being a fucking loser. You're doing something right, you know, if they're trolling them on. The more haters you've got, the more success you're getting, because that means you know, there's more people that are, you know, frustrated that you're you're making it. You know, I'm just like, you know, if you know, if you don't have the haters, you know, you're not doing anything right. And if you haven't lost, you haven't fought anybody. That's what I always say. Yeah, that's I like that. It's kind of like in the Navy and the seal teams, we had this thing. It's kind of funny. It's like, if you didn't go to Captain's mass, you're probably not gonna make chief. Right. That means you're get in trouble, right, you have to at least get in trouble once you know, and stand in front of the man and answer why did you do this? And once you get through that, usually with an a year or two, you get promoted. Right. It's like you gotta go to you gotta go to Captain's mass in order to make chief. You guys on the level man. You guys don't know how you guys do it. And like I said, I'll take my heart off. Well, you guys use an absolute champions man low the last two days, right, we do exactly what you do. I mean, But the difference is is that I'm interested you all the I used to tell I tell people all the time, and the last part of my career, I uh, I found myself like operating alone, right, doing stuff alone, and I loved it mainly because you know, you're assuming all the risk all by yourself. You don't have any buddies to come support you say if you or do anything right, and the feeling of all that success and also all that potential failure is all on your own shoulders, and there's gonna be no one to blame at the end of the day if the mission gets fucked up but yourself. Right, But I loved it, you know what I mean? So now is do you feel a kind of the same Is that the same type? Do you look at it that way as a boxer or how do you? Well? Yeah, like, at the end of the day, I'm putting all the work. It's it's the loneliest sport. You know, I'm up running, I'm doing everything by myself, and I guess we have a team structure that makes everything happen. But then the day, like I walk out with my team and then I can day stop and I continue walking getting in the ring, and then it's like, you know, I've only got myself and the other guy across the ring from me, and it's like, you know, what I put in now is what I'm going to get out of it. You know, if I fail, I fail, you know. And if I win, you know, I say, we all win. But at the end of the day, I win, you know. So it's it's all on It's all on me. Um, So I get I get what you're trying to say. And um you don't feel like you're letting anyone down or you know you're being let down. It's kind of like if you give a hundred percent, you know it's all it's solely on you now. Yeah, And I think it's interesting in boxing that you and your opponent know each other better than your own team knows you. Right once you're in there together and you're by yourself, if you both exactly know what each one's gone through, what they're about to go through, and no one knows that feeling on your team except you and your opponent. Correct, we talk to each other. We were halfway through our fight. We're talking to each other and it's like, you guys are crazy, man, what are you doing? My last we hit each other and we're talking and he's like, you like that I was hitting you know? You like that? You know, I was like, what is happening? You know, Like I get it? You know I get it. Yeah, yeah, that's that's unbelieving. Now, what's your what song? What's your what's your theme song? What'll get you jacked up? What you gets you fired up? These days? Uh, listen a lot of Eric Thomas listen a lot of like, um, you know those motivational music podcasts, Um listen all that's I don't want to listen to like music. When I trained, it's weird. You know, I'll send you some stuff. It's actually it's unbelievable. And when I get for runs, I just listened to the light just orchestra like you know, violins and stuff like that, and just try to you know, switch off. When I'm doing my ten k Ron's or twent Ron's, I'm just trying to ziony and I'm just hearing the you know, the soft music in the bath. I'm just really switching off and I can't really ron and trying with people. I'm like yeah, yelling, you know, like a C C and all these stuff. I mean, I'm just I'll try to um you really feel um and get emotionally into the song, you know, I just hear the or the or the all the tunes in there. Yeah, Yeah, there was a study. I forgot what I think was one of the Ivy League schools here in the US. And when it when it comes to choice of music, h orchestra symphony stuff was actually better for training than rock and roll or you know, all this electronic music that's out there, because it prevents you from doing these adrenaline dumps. Right, if you're listening to like hardcore stuff, you're doing adrenaline dump, and then you might run your first two or three miles really really fast, but afterwards you're gonna suck for the next cow many number of miles you've got left. So they say, no, don't listen to that ship. Listen to symphony orchestra, really mellow stuff and prevent the adrenaline dumps so that you can actually go for the long haul. That's what I do. Like I get all the right like the violins of For me, it's just like it, and it picks up in the song and I'm just trying to get the breed in the rhythm and then you know, I'll start getting this pace where I want. Man, I'm I'm coming home strong now, you know. But when I've got people yelling at my ear and you know, the song drops and then you know, like you guess it and for me, I just try to switch off. I want to put my beats on. I'm just in the zone and I'll just find that rhythm and literally for how long I train forces me in that moment um, and then shoods it off. I'll come back to It's a normality. It's for me. I have to listen to really soft all that kind of kind of kind of music. Yeah, keeps you, keeps you calm um. Okay, Now let's jump into when it's you're ramping up for a fight, and let's talk about what does what do your days look like? You know, you get up in the morning and then what's the first thing you do all the way to what you do before you go to bed every day. It varies with the team we sit down. Obviously, we have a twelve week um plan for a camp. I normally trained two to three times a day, and it's mixed up between track work, strength and conditionings, sparring, uh you know, pad work, network, bad work drills. So it's it's a very of things, but we try to cover most things every day. So I normally get up and I'll do a ten k run or twelve k run followed by about forty five minutes extra cardio, and then I'll be go get something to eat, freshen up, come back to the gym, and it's where we do our box and stuff. Our drills are sparring, um, you know, all that kind of stuff, and then I'll finish off with my recovery, which ice, bath, beach, you know, all that kind of stuff for the body. But again it varies every day, so if we are sparring in the morning, we'll do our cardio in the afternoon or every day is different. Well, I'm trying. I'm training usually five six hours a day. Got you? And then what's your diet? Like, what do you? What do you? What's your intake? Shocking? Um? I mean like I love I'm my big I don't like fried foods that much, but I'm a huge sweet tooth. I love my chocolate um s. In camp, that's probably the hardest sense to let go. I get pretty moody and pretty impatient. But for me, I'll try to eat um. Like, yeah, I got nutritions obviously, so I try to eat as clean as possible. But I mean it's super hard super super hard. I mean putting my chocolate and lollies for what Tim Wigs is? Is it not? Man? Damn? Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm a sweet tooth person to like I could. I can eat a box of fucking donuts and a heartbeat, you know the two days when I say yes. So I started getting hitspins because I don't know lollies. So for the Americans, what's a LOLLI like you're talking like a like an actual lollipop lollies like no, like, um, I don't know what do you guys call them? Like gummies? Maybe I don't knowame the yeah dummies kind of like chewy chewy type Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah, okay yeah yeah No. I've never been one for those, but I definitely am like more of the flour and sugar kind of stuff, you know what I mean? What about the sales stuff with the sales stuff, Oh yeah, I got you. I love yeah the worms and the yeah yeah yeah that's awesome. We will be right back after the break. So you've got your nutrition, You've obviously five to six hours of getting your ass kicked every day. Um, and then do you have like a post fight tradition post fight thing like is it immediately like eat candy or do you have something? I smashed candy hyden stamp the next day. From my whole career, I've literally I've just thought I'll go for a run and people people freak out. They're like, you know, I don't understand. You just fought, Like what would you of a run? And it's just my thing, you know why I change something that works? Yeah, it's it's more just a therapeutic you know, no time, you know, no nothing, just music in the years and just we did it before Stan, you know, when lose the drawids, it's done. You know, it's kind of like a reward thing. I just like it's we go out there, we run, and then I'll come back and I'll have some KAYFC or some mc donald's or something. And yeah, it sounds familiar, you know for me, I'd go and do these little uh my little operations, right, and a lot of times you get done and it's a success and there's no one to celebrate with obviously. But mine was a hot shower, Like if I had hot water, then my my decompression was like, Okay, I'm taking a hot shower. Until it runs out of fucking hot water. And then then it was just kinda just sit just kind of like in silence and think through everything you just did. See if I can extract any lessons learned, right, Like, Okay, where did I have a hiccup, potential failure, any of those those points where there's a good lesson. Make sure I retain them, even write them down, uh, so that I can apply them to the next time around. But that was it was always a hot shower with a lot of thought and a lot of processing. Um. And then of course once I got back to the States, especially Texas here, we have this fast food place called water Burger, and so you take like to basically take like a big Mac, except you know, uh, you know, it's it's ten times bigger. So you know, I have to come down then and troy it out there. You go, what what a burger? Like almost like what a burger? Right, but it but it it's all one word, what a burger? So it is kind of short of water Burger, you know, And uh, they're popular here in Texas, and you know, Texans tend to be proud of their water Burgers because you know, California has in and out and we're always like, yeah, that's definitely for californ We don't have anything fancy down now. We just got the standard hungry Jack's back. McDonald's KFC probably have much. Yeah, well I noticed Australians can can eat some McDonald's. Man. It's like they love it right crazy, every every second person because there's so much, there's so much things you can do and we haven't twenty four hours. Yes that it doesn't never close it so you can have it at two in the morning. Yeah. I was so surprised by that when they're like, we fucking love McDonald's and I was like, no, not, man, it's not I'm not a big fan of it. I mean I don't mind it, but I mean I don't really I cannot have it for me. I'm a big fan of KFC. The Colonel, you know. That's for me. It's Kentucky Fried Chicken. That's yeah, that's good, todd Man. That stuff is addictive. You can once you to grab one drumstick, you gotta have ten of them. It's all over once one starts. It's yeah. Yeah. I had a former chairman of the board. His name's Keith Melton, if you haven't listened to that podcast, everyone should, and we get into a little bit of McDonald's stories. But one of the things he told me offline is, you know, there was a time in eighties and nineties when McDonald's just caught a lot of bad press because of how unhealthy it was, and so they actually they cleaned up their ingredients and everything they do in their process to the point where it McDonald's hamburger meat is actually the top rated sirloin that you can get. Like if you when you eat a McDonald's hamburger, the meat itself is better rated than any other fast food restaurant in the world. They they they took all that criticism seriously and they totally flipped the switch, changed the narrative and actually invested in the best meat. It's all sirloin. It's not meaning if you go to Wendy's or you go to any of your other hamburger joints, then that patty of meat is ground beef, but it's also ground up noses, ears, and cartilage. Right, any scraps, right, any scraps that were on the floor also get ground up in the hamburger meat. And whereas with McDonald's hamburger meat. It's sirloin. You're not gonna have any noses, cartilage, ears, or anything weird in your in your hamburger again, exactly. You and Trump. You know, supposedly Trump eats fucking McDonald's like three meals a day. It's crazy, um, all right, So now to close it out, you know you're you're known as pretty boy, right, pretty boy, and it's because your nose. Your nose is still like normal, right. Well, yeah, I'll haven't broken once, um, but I didn't get it from all Luke's. Obviously I've got to full my stall, hasn't I'm um. You know the m C. It was like, you know, the Raphe is very pretty to stall, you know, the pretty boy. And I try to shake it. I try to shake it for so many years, but every time I FOURD, I just kept getting the same m C. And he just kept announcing me the pretty boy, the pretty boy. And then when I debuted as a professional for the first couple of fints, he was the m C. And I was like, you're kidding. He's a well known MC down here, and he kept playing you know, Michael, pretty boys the rougher and I was like, and then yeah, just it just stuck. I was like, man, I'll try to get rid of it. I'm like, give me like the bombar or you know that the destroyer. Yeah, I just got the pretty boy. And I mean, you know, for thirty years old, alright, fastline, you are kind of pretty. I mean you're pretty and you got in your in your nose and smashed in and all funked up. So you know, keep it that way, buddy, keep it that way, keep moving fast, right. It's all the footwork. It's always the footworks, kid, Yeah, there you go. That's the footwork is the secret to maintaining a beautiful nose in boxing. Um man, is there you know, before we before we uh move into your crisis scenario, um, let's dig in hard on this World championship. Tell me like, what's your plan? Who are you up against? And what's your what are your thoughts on it? Overall? So for me, I mean a lot of people freak out. They always say to me, you know, like what's your game plan? And I just say, to be honest, I said, every fight I've had, I wing it. I said, you know I can't. I can't prepare. I can prepare for the fire. But I can't go in there and fight for the unknown. I don't know what he's gonna bring. Um, you know, I'm fighting Felkawa, who's the Brazilian number one. He's had thirty five thirty wins with twenty one knockouts. He's a good fighter. You know, he's been in there with some tough, tough guys. But I truly believe stalls make fights, and you know he's tough. He doesn't have the best footwork. You know, he just stands there and tries to just use his defense. But for me, if I just like Muhammad alies sticking jab and just move you on the outside, like my last opponent, I think I can say can twelve rounds and beat him, especially here in Melbourne. I'm not doing any traveling this time. You know all the world champions Affoard I had to travel England, America. I've been Russia, Japan, you know all these guys I had to travel for. So this time is in my backyard and it's gonna be a hard fight. But again, I just wing it, you know, I do my camp. I trained the same from training. The worst part in the world of the best friend in the world. My camp stays the same. You know, we implement little things here and there, but I just go in there and and and and just feel it out, you know. Around one, suss what's going on, trying to get my distance, you know, just get that jab in his face, you know, just moving around and and then start start building from there around four, round eight, you know, and just start putting everything together. So I've run an essay. Yeah, you know, you can start and then eventually you just start rolling with it, you know. And that's how I aim with my boxing. Mhm. Now what is his strength or strength his power? Um? Yeah, he's a big puncher, and he's got a tight defense and he's very very very good on the defense. Um, and he's just got he just wacks up hell punch. But again, you know, you can't hear what you can't see, you know what I mean. So on the outside, moving stick in that jab. You know, he wants to set before he throws. So I'll just keep him, you know, always away from that right hand, keep him turning all the time. I don't let I'm set. Yeah, but you know a lot of people say, how do you do that? For twelve rounds. That's the difference between God and great. Yeah, that's all right. The good can do it. And that's those ten and twenty k runs you're doing every fucking morning. That's how you twelve rounds saying there's protoguns. And I'm a big believer in running. You know. People say, are running diminished power and this and that, and I say no, But for me, it's very therapeutic. And I don't know. I just feel once I get my ten k's in, it's like, you know, I can dance, you know, I just I just feel good. A lot of people, they say, is on it there? So are you allowed to have sex? Are you gonna have sex before the fight? Oh? They say? You don't mean to you. I mean it's we're humans, you know what I mean. But we try, we try not to. I mean a week, two weeks. You know, if you can't hold the hold, I mean I have in the past, and I have it in the bus, so I mean, if you can. It's it's about the power where you boys. You guys have the minds of of an animal, you know, man, you you just can do all that stuff. I'm a little bit softer than you boys. I don't think you know, it's a little bit harder. I don't think so, but I mean, what is you know, but that's always been kind of a thing in boxing, like don't have sex and this and that is that? What what have you heard or what are you're told? Is that just to keep testoster and levels, just keep you aggression, just keep your aggression just um, you know, discipline, you know, discipline keeps the testoster and high gets that anger, you know, wanting to do something that you can't. You know, it's like you've got a diet. Straight away, you you want you want to eat you know, chunk food as soon as the diet kicked in, and then you you want it more when you can't have it. Um. And that's the same thing. You know, I say a week before you fight, it should be only about the fight, nothing else, and you're like, you know you wanted because you're not doing anything for the week. You're just chilling out realistically, so you're at home. There's really nothing much to do but that, you know, so it gets your frustrating kids tesseron you know, high and just discipline, and then it's just another tick off the list that you've done yeah. And it goes back to the beginning our conversation self discipline, right, having the ability to tell yourself no. And if more people had it, they would be better shape, they won't be as fat, you know, they wouldn't be depressed by social media. You know, there's so many things. Just something as simple as self discipline. What a huge advantage it gives you in life. Right, And I said that to everyone, said, look, trainings of everyone, trainings hard, training sucks. But if you've made that decision where you're not going to train, make that decision that you're gonna eat healthier. You know, it's just people like a train but I'm gonna have the big mac. And then they say, well, why am I fat? So I will You're the reason why you're fat, you know what I mean? And you know, you just gotta say no. And and it is hard, but that's you can't have your cake and eat it too, you know what I mean. You gotta sacrifice. It's probably of the best of what you use and you gotta sacrifice what you want. Yeah, and I well, I would say to the flip side of that, and it's what a lot of the recruits and s as have to do, and that is you have to surrender to the process. And once you surrender to it and you flip that switch, then all of a sudden you're like, now you realize, oh, I'm in the game now and I'm gonna fuck some ship up right, Josh. The switch flicks and you've got to go. Man, it's tom to go. That's it. Yeah, cool man, you're listening to Can you Survive this podcast? Thanks for tuning in. Please make sure to subscribe, rate, and share on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your favorite shows. Let's see now if you can survive this fucking podcast. So your hypothetical survival scenario goes as follows. All right, you have been paid to appear at a boxing event in the United States. You're on the East Coast Okay, after the event, and Uber drops you off in front of your hotel. Okay. Uber drives away. As you walk towards the hotel entrance, a car pulls up and the trunk pops open. A guy hops out of the passenger seat. He grabs you from behind and tries to force you into the trunk. Okay, Obviously, your boxing skills kick in and you kick his ass in the real world, but not in this world. Okay, So you fight off the first guy, no problem, all right, But then the second guy who was driving the car, he kind of hits you from behind. He sucker punches you. Nothing you can do about that, um with some kind of unknown object. Right. Uh, now your face down on the ground, um, struggling to remain conscious, right, and the assailant pulls out zip ties right now, he's zip tying you up. So do you a fight as hard as you can uh to not get your hands zip tied behind you or be as they zip tie your wrists. Press your palms together, all right, and then your thumb level, open your hands at the bottom and flex your wrists so that appears that you're kind of giving in. There was another one, Yeah, and tay that just yeah, play cool and yeah, just just make it luck. You know, I'm on sweet type me. And then obviously, yeah, he's gonna give that little bit leews can get my hands out. That's right, you're setting yourself up for the escape because, uh, the most important thing to do in any of these situations remain conscious. You know. The last thing you want to do is get knocked out, wake up somewhere and be and then the real restraints be placed on you and there's no escape possible. Right, So stay conscious, you know, temporarily surrender knowing that you're gonna go ahead and take the home field advantage from them by putting on an act. Right, it's called feigning compliance. You're gonna feign compliance so that you can escape later. All right, Um, now you're zip tied and you're in the trunk. But because you kind of gave in to them, you're able to put your zip tied. Your your hands are in front of you, not behind you, right, and so the vehicle starts moving. So do you a kick out a break light, break light or be kick up as hard as you can on the trunk and try and escape the brink law to try to just brick law and try to get some of the tentions from the answer. That's right, that's right, Good job, buddy. A lot of people would thin, yeah, I'm gonna try and kick the trunk open, but they've never been in a trunk before, obviously, because there's no moving around together, serious noise. They're gonna definitely not trying to do something, but they're gonna know, yeah, exactly, They're gonna know you're up to something. And plus you're just not gonna be able to pull it off. There's no space to like turn on your back and like start kicking. Um, unless you're like, maybe you know a small person, maybe you could pull it off. I don't know, you can probably do it, that's right. Um. Kicking out the brake like, will you know obviously hopefully get the car pulled over by law enforcement. UM would definitely get somebody's attention. If it's an older model vehicle, when you kick out the brake light, you'll actually be able to stick a hand out there and maybe get some putti's attention. They'll be like, hey, there's a weird hand sticking out of that car, and get someone to call or call it, call it, call the cops for you. Um. You can hear these guys talking all right, and uh, they know that you're a trained fighter. Okay, Um, you're still zip tied. Uh and actually your hands are behind your back. I didn't I didn't state that correctly. You notice a greasy rag a bob bob be pen in the trunk, Okay. You also notice a can of compressed air, the kind that you kind of clean your keyboards off with you and then uh in the trunk with you and maybe you can use that stuff later. I don't know, but you take note of all of it, all right, And the car slows to a stop and the assailants get out. You hear them greet a dog. Okay, then their voices fade and you have to get the zip ties off your wrists. So do you a roll to your side in trunk so that you can attempt to get those zip ties off, or do you be roll onto your stomach? Uh? Yeah, there you go fight standing an exactly common sense prevails. But it was started to become hot. Yeah it is. It's a little trick trick, but you know, yes, on your side and so you can uh you know, if you're on your side, you'll be able to kind of almost pull up into the fetal position, knees to the and move around and try and try and get your wrists to something maybe sharp or whatever in the vehicle. Um, but let's see what the scenario says here. So, um, you pull your wrists apart as hard as you can. You lower your hands. Oh yeah, so you're gonna you're gonna lower your hands patched, your glutes, your ass. Right now, only an athlete can pull this off if your hands are tied together behind your wrist um. And it's a good reason for you listeners out there to be in shape because if you get apprehended and you get your hands tied behind your back, you want to be able to pull your wrists down below your ass. Okay, slide them along your hamstrings to the to where your knees bend, pull your knees up to your chest, and then pull your wrists around your feet. Now you've got your hands in front of you, and now it's easy after that, right, you can do whatever you want to try and get those uh those zip ties off of you. So with your wrist now in front of you, you have a better chance of defeating the restraints. So next, do you a try to bite through the zip ties or be use one of the objects you saw in the trunk to defeat the zip ties. I'd definitely use something that's right, You're probably not gonna bite through hard plastic. But if I guess, if you're aggressive enough, you could just eat your hands off. But uh, that's probably not a good idea. Um, yes, it's much easier to grab a bobby pin. Yeah, grab a bobby pin, and most people probably if you pay attention to how zip ties work. It's a ratcheting system. And the most important piece to the ratcheting system is the gate. The gate is made out of plastic. If you have a bobby pin, which is metal, and you shove it in between the gate and the bitter end of your zip tie, where it goes click clickick, like it's just gonna release. Right, You're just pushing that little gate down and now the zip ties come off the same way they went on. Um. It takes you gotta be calm, you gotta be patient. But it's probably the quietest, stealthiest, easiest way. Uh if you're in a confined space to get zip ties off. Um. Okay, So with your hands free, you can now access car jack all right? Um? And do you have any idea which you could use that car jack for? Uh? New yep. So with a car jack you can put it. Actually, if you can get it out from underneath the floorboard, you can pull it up and you can start cranking it and it'll extend right to lift a vehicle. Well, yeah, there you go. The boot You guys call it a boot. We call it a trunk. But yes, the car jack will definitely break that trunk wide open. And it's quieter than sitting there trying to kick in all these other options. Right, Um, remaining quiet is key to the to your escape. Um. So success, the trunk pops open. So now do you a run like hell or be take the objects, the remaining objects in your trunk? Uh with you? Mm hmm, maybe like hell because I can find yeah, yeah, but I think it. Then you can say, but I mean, yeah, you would take the rest of stuff. Yeah, mainly because you don't know what you're about to face. Right, You're in a new environment, a foreign environment that you've never been. You know that there's potentially a dog out there. The dog is probably the next problem you're just gonna have to deal with because you're probably not gonna outrun the dog. Um so you think, we don't think except it except it to you, except for you, maybe you will out run the dog. Okay. Um, while you know, of course a quick escape is very important. A successful escape is more important than trying to be quick. So you grab the tools that you have left, um, and that that can of air. What Um, there's a couple of things you can do with it. So do you a throw the canned air at the dog and run or be turned the can over so that its sprays freezing cold air in the dog's face. There you go, say, so, now, then that came from one of the UH. There was a target that I was dealing with overseas and it had a dog in the UH. And you can come back with the first night, right, you get to you you figure out how to get the door open, and then there's nothing but white teeth and a big snarling nose staring at you, and then you you basically freeze its nose and then it'll run away. But you can't go. It's not a good idea to go that night. So then what you do is you come back a couple of more nights and you freeze its nose until it's never at the door again. Then you know, okay, this is probably the safest moment for me now to go into this target. But yeah, freezing the nose of a dog is a man it's it's it's not doing any permanent damage. It's humane, um, And nobody knows that you've been there. You know what I mean, so if you kill the dog, then they know you've been there all right. Uh let's see here. So you neutralize the dog and it takes off running because it's like this, I don't want to freeze my nose off. Um. So as you round a corner, you run straight into one of the bad guys and he's pointing a gun at your chest. So do you a kick him in the nuts or be maybe pivot where you talk about moving right because you don't want to get hit. Pivot and then trap the weapon with your hands. Uh So is it kick him in the nuts or pivot and trap the gun if you, like I said, if you can do both and they both work, you'll be siphon both. But yeah, so me, I'll probably try to restrain the whipping. I mean yeah, because of the weapon. And then obviously it's you know it's a chance. But ye know, last if you keep you, if you keep him in, the Nazi can still shoot you, that's right. If you can kick him in the nuts, you can shoot you. If you turn and run, you can shoot you in the back. So you know when you're when your point blank like that, you know you're kind of in a place where you just have to get control of the weapon and uh and hope that you're just you know, you're, you're, you're. What most people forget is that when you're fighting for your life, right, you're actually in a better position than the person who's just trying to take your life. You know, and you know, if if your adrenaline, your focus and as you you know this, in a fight, you just kind of all of a sudden, you're zoning out the crowd, you're zoning out everything, and you go into kill mode. Um, if a gun's pointed at your chest, you know you have that ability. But the problem is is sometimes people's mental asked, the mental side of the house takes advantage of them. Right, fear kicks in and they either freeze or they feel like they've already been defeated and they end up doing nothing instead of taking advantage of the tools that they have. But um, alright, anyway, so with the gun trapped, a struggle starts to ensue. Right, So do you a yank forward and strip the gun away or be control and drive the barrel towards the enemy's chest bait? Be correct, you want to drive it forward, driving them backwards, and it makes a whole lot easier now to strip it away, because anytime you push somebody one direction and then hold back, boom, Now you've got the gun. Okay, so you control drive towards the chess and then you know you basically grabbed the gun opposite yank and now you've got the weapon, um, and you command him to his knees. All right, So do you a take two steps and go ahead and just go for a big old right, big straight right to knock this dude out into his knockout triangle we call it. Or be slowly back away, keeping your gun on the attacker, and once you've got some good distance, turn and run safely away. May I do both? The The answer is b um, controlled situation, you know, get yourself some distance and then um, you know, take off. You're in you're in control utral at the situation. You're in control your sfe uh. But yeah, for me, he definitely needs a couple and I had a hand right before, and we'll go yeah, and I would I would agree with and I wouldn't want a right hand from you. So um, good job, buddy, you have survived this podcast and you did you did really well. I mean some people get a little stumped on some of those, but you uh you crushed it, buddy, and uh really good job. So before we go and let you go to go to your but is it your first round of training today, right, Yeah, So let's uh let everybody know where they can find you, where they can follow you and track your your future success and your in your way to your championship. Just on social media Instagram, Facebook, Marco, Pretty Boys, Rafa. Um, yeah, man, show your support, show you love. Like I said, you're doing great things man, and what kind of wait to bring this bullets alto back to Australia and Melvin. Yeah, let's uh so everybody listening. You know, if you're if you can't find him, like I always say, just go to who I'm following and you'll find him there because I only follow cool people and he's a cool dude and he's a badass on top of that. So let's give him support, um, unless of course he ends up fighting in American and then of course you know that's right. But Australia is the other America, as we'd like to say, it's the other Texas, and uh, go show your support. It's been a pleasure having you. Man, I wish you the best of what luck. I know that I'll be following, I'll be watching, and if I can get over there for your fight, then I fucking man, I'm there. I'll do it. It's uh, I know you'll win it. You're the champ. You're gonna be the champ. You're gonna continue to be a champ in life no matter what happens. And uh, I appreciate you coming on the show and sharing your knowledge, your experience, and I had a whole lot of fun with you all pretty sure, brother, Thanks for me on and look I said, man, a lot much love, much respect, and you're doing great things and I'm coming to uh see what's next to you guys. Yeah, I appreciate it. And like I always say, you know, keep it simple out there because crisis will complicate the rest. Until next time, be safe out there. Can you survived? This podcast is a production of Calvary Audio and I Heeart Media, recorded live from a secure location here in Dallas, Texas. Produced by Brandon Morgan, Jeff Apple, and Clint Emerson. Executive produced by Keegan Rosenberger and Dana Brunetti for Calvary Audio. I'm Clint Emerson,