Call It What It IsJess is the third wheel today… Camilla’s TV fiancé, Chris Carmack is here!
From why it took him so long to not feel like the new guy, to his first smooch with Camilla, he addresses it all!
Call It What It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camille Luddington, an iHeartRadio podcast. Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello Call It crew, and welcome to another episode of Call It What It Is.
We got a special guest today.
We've got a Gray's Anatomy guest. Come on, come on the family. What's funny is that he should be here right now?
And why are you alone sitting on that couch?
Well, I feel like I've been stood up, which is, you know, embarrassing.
Well, and I was going to start with the fact that it's embarrassing that I'm sort of the third in this situation, the third.
Yeah, it's okay, it's gonna.
We are we having Who would I be a third for?
Mister Chris Carmack. Chris Carmackscar Well here, he was supposed to be here, and I'm going to give him ship because traffic knowledge he's not. Traffic is terrible in LA and he keeps texting me and I'm like, you're already sucking this up, Chris, You're already I'm already, and so he should be here right here.
Yeah, yeah, but he's not. There's next to you.
But I'm gonna ask him. I want to ask him, not just gray stuff. I mean, I'm going to tease some stuff for the season, but we got to get into the OC. We got to get into all the things Nashville.
I watched that.
Religiously, like I watched it appointment television. I watched it on the night I was into it. Did you ever audition for it?
I feel like you could have, no, no, because I think at that point I probably would have been like a like a you know, I don't I don't think I could have played high school.
I think I would have been, you know, a college girl.
I don't know. I feel like they were all forty five. Other than it's like still those days. Let's see easy here. Oh he's here. He's got to use the bathroom. I don't even TikTok carmac.
Oh my god, one of those has to use the restroom first.
This is I know, this is what I have to deal with on a daily basis.
I have a feeling he's gonna come in and be really really like great and kind and winning and smiling. We'll see and then also a cool drink of water that what we say, very cool drink.
Wow.
I feel like that's like a drink water, A tall drink of water. Yeah, sure, tall drink water.
Well, I'm going to explain to people what they're listening to is they're listening to us talk about two beautiful people on a couch next to each other, and I think you're just picking apart things for no reason.
I think you both look fantastic.
Thanks stop, okay, and again I think you look really great together.
We do.
Thanks, I agree, I think this works. Okay, So we have to introduce him because we did a mini introduction. So Chris is here now and he's taken about five minutes just to get situated.
You know, well, you know how uncomfortable I am in like all situations, I'm usually like ramping and.
Yeah, funny. The funny thing is we had so I had him out on the pod. Okay, I had him on the pod like two weeks ago. And his first question, which we joked about, was like I was like, listen, you're gonna go to calm on the pod and we're gonna make it so sexy and he was like, how are the cherish in my back? And I feel like Chris can relate because nobody knows that in most most days on Gray's Anatomy. You're in pain.
It's true. It's true. Like I don't know if if this will still be rolling when I get up from this couch, but it would sound something like this.
Yeah, I feel like I'm dating like an eighty year old on the show.
Where do you grant that you're pain too? Because Matt has a whole back thing. So what's yours?
Knees, just knees, the knees your feet. You get a lot of foot crap. We do a love scene. Nobody knows this. We should talk about this. When we do a love scene on Gray's Anatomy, it looks that we're really it looks like we're super passionate, right, It actually is because Chris is so much pain. He always gets a foot crimp.
Yeah.
I bite my lip and I'm like, yeah, no, God.
There's romantic together. I'm like, no, Chris really needs the scene to end.
Love ecstasy and pain so close together.
Okay, the agony in.
The extasy agony, Yes, absolutely, Chris.
You get the phone call. Yes, but they want you to come to Gray's Anatomy.
Yes, yes, how much do you.
Know and what do you know?
Uh?
Well, when I was asked to come.
On, we didn't even have to audition.
I didn't know.
I had a feeling the people like you.
I'm so happy for you.
People like you. I'm so happy. I'm just happy.
I'm not happy for you.
I'm not happy You're an offer only actor.
Go ahead.
I was.
Incoming calls for Chris Comrack.
I was. I hadn't seen the show in quite a long time, so I had a lot of catching up to do because I had watched, you know, the first few seasons back in the day, and then you know, and then I had to catch up. So I was watching season fourteen with I think it was your wedding, and was obvi not expecting to end up a love interest for Joe. But I knew we had this past, this pass together and this friendship, and of course you suspect at some point that it's going to be a foil for Joe's relationship, like maybe it's yeah, spoil Joe and Alex. A little trickery that developed in its own way when.
New actors get hired, because the show leans so heavily on creating great couples, most of the time, when someone gets hired, they're they're there for someone, so did did they did?
Were you there for someone?
I was there as like the as the triangle with Meredith with the throttle with Jacomo DeLuca. De Luca and Meredith were kind of having a thing. And then uh wait, I have a question.
I have a question.
Did you know who was going to win? Because you did? You lost that throat?
I did. I did.
Oliver would have been totally not as valuable.
I lost terribly. I don't know what to attribute it too. It might have been exactly. No, I wasn't groaning as much back then.
He was younger and spry I was. We just talked about this too.
We were just watching some of our old scenes side.
We were we were on set and we were watching our old scenes on Monday, and we were talking about how I was. Like I was like, look, just like, look how skinny I was, And it was like, you were really skinny. You just allow you the listeners out there, you're.
Completing the fantasy people have aboad actors, which is that you're admitting that you sat there watching old scenes of yourself.
Well actually no, wait, no, no, we don't.
For fun, just to admire ourselves.
We just loved our work so much. Nous when we're potentially out there auditioning, and so we were talking about past scenes and past work, and sometimes you're like, I actually felt like really great about this scene, and then you watch it back and you're like, maybe not so much. Yeah, maybe you think that.
In your mind, like I know what my reel is gonna be. I'm gonna cut this scene, this scene, this scene, and then you look back at it You're like, I was.
Gonna say, if it wasn't as good as you remembered it, I think I would blame the editor.
Exactly. That makes sense, exactly right. Okay, so you got brought in from Meredith.
You lost, I lost, but they liked you so much that they were like, we're going to keep the guy even if even if he loses.
We're just he's so winning.
Because, by the way, let me say this, because I can say this from the outside.
You you are so winning. I mean I watched the scene.
Yeah, just a minute. She's a huge OC fan.
Awesome.
I know.
I also am just sort of wildly impressed by the breadth and scope of where you started. I mean I could spend a whole hour talking about that, like how you started school.
I mean I was listening.
It's funny we're giving me kind of you were giving James marsdeny vibes for me because.
I like that. I like that, right?
How about that?
Well, because he was on Dak Shepherd's podcast talking about Paradise, he was talking about having been having grown up not in LA or New York, and having been a sporty young guy who also was really interested in theater, and so I was just sort of like, again, we don't need to go there, but I just think it's so I think it's so interesting how we all start in this business and and that we get to be all different sorts of things, and that you were an athlete and then you kind of got into and you got to New York and then you started modeling, and then you were in the theater, and then you're on TV.
And now here you are.
And that's that's a lot of that's a lot of stuff and all very cool stuff.
And also fast. Because I'm so young, I've done it.
I've done it in such a.
No, it's it's yeah, it's all it's you know, over many many years and and you know, I kind of consider myself a bit of a journeyman actor you know, I've done theater all over and I'm fortunate to have been you know, series regular on three shows now, which is which is, which is pretty good.
It's amazing. I can't say that.
Which looks easy out there to people who are listening, but it actually is not, and it's not an easy thing.
Here's an interesting factor, because you're asking about how it came on to Greece. I have never other than pilots that didn't make it, I have never actually booked a series regular role. I've come on to every show as a guest star and then been made a series regular.
Well, by the way we share this in comments.
Yeah, yeah, say pilots that I ever did.
Nope, No, I mean number one of the call sheets, I were like, this is my share didn't get picked up.
There's something about us that screams we've got to like test drive them, right, like we're test drives.
Yeah, a little bit, a little bit, a little bit.
Okay, so you got we have to talk about your big love interest on the show before Joe, right, which was actually Amelia. Do you know this j just do you know like him and Amelia have a kid together? No, her eyes, she didn't know that.
She thought you went to her eyes told me Amelia, I love Amelia.
I love Amelia.
There I could listen.
I could have been Amelia's love interest.
I I love Amelia.
I know I was.
I was focusing on the journeyman part of Chris Carmack I was talking.
I was that was. I was focusing on the early development.
I was also wondering if maybe perhaps in some Abercrombie and Fitch store during my my my nascent years, I was I was like under a big giant billboard of view at some point in my life. I was thinking, as I picked out my khakis, were you just right there behind me?
Maybe you're old?
Probably was. You might have carried me out of the store.
You probably did, but I did. I bet you were like on No, I used to cut the bags because that was cool back in the day and put them on the wall. You're probably on my wall. I just realized in this moment.
Yeah, I probably was. He's like, yeah, that was me. No, I remember back, I mean years ago, I was, I was dating a girl and we were looking at old pictures. And this was back when old pictures were actually photographed.
Right, Yeah, So there were old papers of.
Her in like in college, and I was looking at her in her dorm room and I was like, what's that on the wall behind? And it was that it was the bag. Yeah. Yeah, but I was. I was eighteen, nineteen nineteen, and I was in New York. I was. I was in New York. I was at the Tish School of Studying Acting.
I'm telling you, so impressive, I know, very impressive.
And actually somebody came up to me with a flyer for an open casting call for Abercrombie was. It was another student at the school and she gave it to me and she said, you would be crazy if you didn't go to this, and and I went, okay, maybe I will. And me and me and one of my buddies went and stood in line and and they took some pictures. And then I got a call from an agency. Because I didn't have a modeling agency, they said, they want to book you for this job. I think I took a little bit of time off of class and we shot for a week in Manhattan, so I didn't have traveler go okay, yeah, And I just showed up for call times and put on you know, tons of layers and clothes and ties that were gigantic for like, like it was a very preppy kind of thing, and then like frolicking in the fountain.
And were Okay, is that works?
I got so much crap from friends, which was hilarious. There's one there's one picture of me like in ice skates and lacing ice skates and boxers.
And jelly go together.
Okay, So I'm looking at a picture of Chris right now. He's uh, he's topless, just holding a trumpet.
With a group of shirtless men on a basket. I think we were going for like a like a boys to men Motown Philly kind of thing with a big band.
I'm not getting that, Chris. I'm not getting that at all. I don't know what I'm getting I'm going through.
Okay, there's the Hockey's the hockey?
Oh wait, hang on, is so ridiculous. Oh you look like a baby, baby, Chris. I'm excited for like our history just to be like Chris Coimac topless.
I'm gonna show you something for devices.
Yeah.
Is this agony or ecstasy? Oh?
Oh, good question.
I feel like that's what I often see. So I'm familiar with that face. Okay, all right, we hold on.
I know we're all over the place, but you it's my face, but it's my out face.
It's the face, it's your ow.
You just have to.
Yeah you catched, yeah, yeah, before the screens.
But I'm now that I'm reacquainting myself with these images.
I definitely definitely walked out of a store holding holding out on the wall.
Yeah we're on a bag.
Okay, okay, so you so then you so, okay, all right, you didn't get Ellen, you didn't get Meredith, and you went on to Amelia.
I mean, yeah, that's the short. Well, so, so they brought me on for like a ten episode arc like that was the usual thing. And I don't know why, but the the Ellen thing did not work out much faster than they were expecting they were expecting to play it out. So I think that was kind of like, okay, well that ended really fast, like what what else could we do with them? And it didn't work and yeah, and then they were like, let's let's let's let's try him and Amelia and it was and it it was great, It was really cute.
Watch your mouth, Christ.
But it was the wrong but it was the wrong.
She has a better memory than huffle exactly say it again, No I, no, I I think that that's that happens on our show a lot. There's a little bit of chess that gets played right, so you're paired with somebody, maybe it works out, maybe you don't even get to that point yet, and then it's sort of like, well, who's free to play with? And then they watched that chemistry and the truth is that you and Katina had really good chemistry together. Yeah, and you had some great storylines. And then Joe and Alex broke up, and then I think it freed Joe up, and then it was like, well, this is a really messy storyline potential. And I feel like sometimes we lean in on the show to messy what makes for like the better storyline, right, to like mess with it and have you guys break up and her data to people er And so that's sort of that's my memory of sort of and also.
Like, uh, they really we were leaning into Link really wanted to be married, Yeah, settled, and that's what he wanted. And of course Katherine's character Amelia did not want that for herself and.
She really has Yeah, that character is tracked.
That she you know, so that was our that was like our big conflict, and it had really I mean, how many rings did I have to propose to her?
You know it really know this, but but Link on the show proposed to Amelia with three different rings and was like any one of these and she was still like none. She was like, there's no ring.
Yes, he had the kids. Yeah, then it's like he pulled out all the stuffs. But but the answer was it was a hard no.
Okay.
I do remember Christopher arlof Christopher and Off calling me. I just pulled into the lot and she was like, hey, I have a pitch of a story for you, and I was okay, and she was like, what do you think of Lincoln Joe? And at the time, I was like, that's tough because I like the drama of that. But we had truly established that they were friends at the time, and we've been playing that and we'd had some really nice moments, like she really leaned on him when Alex left, and so to sort of hard right turn it, I was wondering if it was even going to work, is the truth. But I was game, of course to try.
Whatever you were working on a different kind of chemistry. You were going yes, from a street.
And I didn't know if we could, like how it relied on the storyline and the writing too, but like if we had established that so well.
Yeah, we really had. We you know, we dug into the friendship of it all, like the and the platonic friendship of it all, and it was playing well and it loved it. We loved it. Yeah, So it was it was a little bit like, oh, we have to say goodbye to this thing.
Yeah, we really love But actually, I have to say, I feel like one really nice thing about the two of them together is that we have kept managed to keep some of that. Yes, like they still so that thing that I friend, Yes, like that thing that I thought that we were going to say goodbye to we got to keep.
Yeah. And what's interesting too is, you know, of course we had to struggle and have our yeah, have our fights along the way to get to where we are, and I remember just working with you on those and sometimes it felt like, oh, this feels like would I be this mad? Yeah? Do you know? Because because we really we really did have that friendship not only baked into the characters, but our time together as actors too, and yeah, and it felt like we had to. We had to reach a little bit to find the conflict because because the characters really are so good and easy with one another.
Yeah, it's nice.
Oh man, that's so great.
It's good.
Like I don't fight with you.
I don't.
I I was like, while you were talking, I was trying to think of.
Like a time we fought.
I don't think she's very easy to fight with.
Are you kidding?
I don't find you easy to fight. I don't want to fast.
No, no, I listened. I listened to your podcast. Matt came on and did an episode. I laughed so hard. I mean I truly was laughing. I could not believe it hard.
I was laughing. But even if you're not, I mean, I don't know you really fight.
I think, honestly, it was a cultural thing. I think you're spicy as a brit We kind of roll with the punches. I have to say, I don't. I don't think that we're easily offended, except for my dad. My dad's always really offended everything. I do have to say. One of my favorite scenes though, that I did with Chris that we laughed about a lot, was there right around the time when he was like still in love with Amelia, but Joe was realizing she had feelings with him. You had a scene that was like completely typical Grey's Anatomy where he I'm like sort of kind of suggesting like, hey, maybe just look at what's right in front of you and maybe fall in love with that and me right, and Chris had to go, you're right, I love and then there was like this massive pause where you think he's gonna say Joe, and he goes Amelia and he's like two, He's like so close to my face and we did hear our pants of that?
Oh?
Yeah, it was so awkward.
Do you remember our rehearsals? Yeah? I love. Yeah.
I was like, no, do you remember your first kiss on the show?
I do remember our first kiss on the show, But it felt weird because it almost felt like I Joe was taking advantage of Link a little bit because he's upset over Amelia and he's like five whiskeys in. For some reason, Joe's a little bit like, now's my chance. At the time, I didn't feel romantic.
Actually, uh, you're gonna have to remind me. Where do you remember?
Okay?
I where were Where was the.
Scene we're in Jackson's apartment and we're sat on the floor next to each other, and you're really upset about Amelia, and then I think, I go in for a kiss with you, and we start making out and then they end up being on the floor together. It was so significant looking at his face, Chris literally can't remember anything. He might be more goldfish than me. He is more goldfish than you. Do you not remember?
I mean, I remember the day.
It was a Wednesday. Great, yeah, great, I have to dig. No, don't worry about it, Chris. This is not good for her self esteem.
I don't remember.
Okay, just hit him with another I remember.
Was gonna say, I remember, like, this isn't about me, but I was. I. Yeah, I definitely could not forget my first kiss CALLI.
Yeah.
That was so iconic though.
That was a thing. Yeah, it was like we were Joe's. It was like in the bathroom.
Was it the first lesbian kiss on the show?
No, because she'd been with no Erica.
Oh yeah, she knew with Erica.
And then Erica wasn't there anymore, and then I was there and then I was like you I was the guest star, and I.
Didn't I actually didn't. I didn't come for anyone.
I came for a medical case, which you know, I knew probably wasn't going to.
Both medical day for it's the theme of our show.
Come for the medical.
So when So when you came and you knew you were did you did you love it right away? And like, did you know I really want to stay here so I need to? Did you feel that pressure like I got to figure out who I'm going to be with?
Because you do.
I felt that pressure when I was there, Like I remember people talking about it, like if you whenever or was the Cali and I broke up?
I remember someone it.
Probably was you being like you gotta be.
With someone and I was like, wait what I always be on my own?
Nope, can't be on your own, not on that show.
That is a good question. When you realized that it wasn't the Meredith had chosen somebody else, did you worry that that was your end on the show.
Yeah, I had no idea what the future on the show was going to be. And I'll say this too. You say like, did I immediately feel like it was, you know, the right place for me? The answer is like, no way, Because this show has been on.
For so long.
Yeah, yeah, for so long.
And the characters that I've been working with have been on the show for so long. After I'd been on the show for six years, I remember turning to Kevin mckidt and saying, I finally don't feel like the new guy. Yeah, it takes so long on a show like this to not feel like new guy.
I agree with that.
And it wasn't because anybody made you feel on It's because it's.
It's so established, so established.
Yeah, it's And you know what, I'm not saying anything that hasn't said been said before, but I haven't said it. I came on season five and because the show was such a huge hit, and because it was actually sort of famous for having had some rocky behind the scenes action, Like there was so much stuff happening, which I think is kind of typical of something that's that successful. But I remember coming in and there was such a I don't think it's there anymore, but there was such a feeling of there was like a tear system. It's like, yeah, there was a hierarchy to who had been there, how long they'd been there, how comfortable they were or weren't. I mean, these were people who on some level again because of just how successful the show was and how much was being thrown at them.
That kind of I don't know why everyone makes the analogy.
To war, but like they'd kind of been to war, and like they navigated all these things, and then I was kind of I came after that, so I too was new to that, And I completely agree with you. I did not feel firmly in place until many years into it. Yeah, Like it was always the people who were there from the beginning, and then it was the new people they came in.
I felt the hierarchy too, but I don't think that that exists now, and I.
Wouldn't personally describe my experience as a higher archy.
No, I think it had gone by that.
No, I think by then, back in season nine when I joined, I think it was I still felt that.
Yeah, And something happens too. As an actor on a show, when you've been on it for years, you know, your backstory and your relationships with all the other characters and actors becomes so ingrained and second nature. It actually your work gets better, your work gets more mature. You don't have to do a lot of the work because you know, I don't have to build these characters in my mind. I don't have to do the acting work. I've known them for seven years and I know their characters, and I know everything we've been through together. We've actually acted those scenes together.
Yeah, that's so well said, and I completely agree.
And coming on to a show like that, I remember just being blown away by the actors that were around me. I was I said, oh my god, they're so good. Everybody is so talented. And it's true.
I think they're so good too. I think they're so good. I mean, and the writing is so good, but there's also you know, there's such the storylines are so dramatic that you you know, I think in the in the hands of lesser actors, which I don't mean not unkindly, but like it's more the compliment. The actors are so great that when something crazy happens, like there's she's not my mother, she's my sister, whatever, you actually completely believe it because yeah, it's.
So good, you know, you're like, yeah, okay, yeah, of.
Course they are. Of course they are. I also feel really lucky because and we talked with the other day because we shop together all on Monday and some of our scenes were just ridiculous, Like really, they're funny, right, And we get to do the fact that on our show we get to play comedy and drama. Yes, so that's not every show. Like we're so lucky that we get those really deep, dramatic scenes and then we get scenes that are completely ridiculous that are so fun, and so I actually feel really fulfilled as an actor, Like I feel like we get to do we get to play a lot.
There is somebody who said what you just said, Chris, about the fact that, like, when you've been playing a character for so long, you know them better than anyone.
I remember.
It must have been when I was not feeling so new anymore. But there was, you know, because if we get a somewhat new direct I mean there's a couple of directors that come a couple of times, but when you're shooting twenty four episodes, you have had a lot of different directors. And I remember it was a new director, and I don't know that they were a favorite.
They were someone who was just maybe not everybody's favorite. There's been some we've cycled through.
Yeah, we've had ones that just came and maybe it just.
Wasn't a good fit, right, And this particular person who was not a good fit was giving me a little bit of direction. And I remember being like, oh, I think I've gotten to the point.
Where I know what I would do more than maybe this visiting person.
Yeah. And it wasn't an ego thing.
It was just like, oh, yeah, I've been here, I've been here a minute.
Yeah. Well, and and when you come on to a show and everyone's lived in their characters, so yeah for so long, that's very intimidating. Yeah, I finally feel like I'm one of those people on the show.
But yeah, I was very inteneting to Camilla when we first met.
Yeah, just and I we have a backstory off Filly. When Chris don't worry without Justin, you don't need to, Okay, So I am using our podcast as a little bit of exclusive shit for grades now. A last week, Joe and Link got engaged on the show, which was a really big episode. So I want to pick Chris's brain because he did the engagement speech. And you know that when you have to do an engagement speech on Grey's Anatomy, we've done You've done a couple of really big love speeches actually for Joe, and there's something towards a finale that's going to blow everyone's minds. It's just crazy. Do you feel the pressure of that, Like, Okay, it's a greats anatomy engagement, this is like the moment as an actor going into it.
No, And I'll tell you really yeah, And I'll tell you why, because, particularly with this Joe and Link love story, it feels so earned. Yeah, and it feels so lived in and really slow burned, so that it felt like we've been holding it back.
I agree, you know, And it felt good.
And write and cathartic to do it. So I really actually felt more like finally than the pressure of it.
Yeah, I have to respond to something because tv line dot com they do this thing where they're like the quotes of the week or the episodes of the week, and they kind of analyze and ask questions about it. And one of the things that came out this week was about our engagement last week, and it said would Joe Wilson really have said yes so quickly to Link? And I was like interested after two disastrous marriages? And I went to the comments because I know what I think, and I went to the comments to see what people were saying, and everyone was like, no, it doesn't not make sense that she would say yes so quickly because their friendship has gone on for so long, there's so much trust there, And that's exactly how I feel. I'm responding to tv line.
I love tv line. It doesn't not make sense.
No, no, no, yes, yes I did it. Yes, it makes sense that she said yes so quickly, was what the comments are saying. They're saying it makes sense. They were asking whether it made sense. They're like, would it really have made sense that she's not like, wait a second, agot.
She's also pregnant with twin She's I mean, this is not like.
Yeah, but I think that there's something Yes, but I wonder if, like I would imagine if she did have any PTSD about it, it would be like, maybe if we seal the deal, it'll go wrong, like it's gonna torpedo something.
She has like a that built in.
Maybe possibly, But I didn't carry that because that's not what the scene was. And I if we had had to play that, I would have played that, but we didn't, and it made sense to me to not have to play it because I felt like again, it's it has been such a long time. We played so many years of a friend just pure friendship, which you don't see a lot on the show. There's usually like right off the bat, some sort of like something like you kind of hate each other or you're kind of in you know, we played pure friendship. So the yes made so much sense.
And the other thing too is I have this experience with with with friends in my life that I've known since childhood that when you are with them, you I don't want to say you revert to children, but you you feel so safe. Yeah, feel so so free. They've known you your your whole life, and they really know the essence of who you are and the experiences that you've had in life beyond that friendship and since that friendship started almost don't matter to that friendship. And because Lincoln Joe we're friends before a lot of this trauma that Joe has experienced, I almost feel like there's that reverting to safety bubble, if that makes it. I don't think I said that very well.
No, no, no, no, no, that makes sense. Did you get what?
Yes?
That makes perfect sense. So you know your history, your history helps you.
I also do think that our natural chemistry in real life helps with the chemistry we have on the show, which is which is always right. But I think that we have also just our own thing that helps.
And do you guys, because you know, I mean, I just am not as current, But do you push play in a lot of passion in this in this situation, you guys do just have a whole day of passion.
A lot of passion.
We had a lot of she's out here and there's a lot of there's a lot of Yeah, we just had to play a lot of passion. I think that they keep it sexy still even though she's you know, got.
Two babies, because there might be more in there by now, who knows. I don't know how anatomy works.
Yeah, we're going to town, baby, there's eight or nine of them in there. Now, watch out, ors. I may play a doctor on TV, but I'm not sure.
I'm just I'm just the bone guy.
I know that a lot of fans want to watch. I want to this question, and you can be honest, I'm not going to be offended, truly, She's already she's given you a back. No, there are people that still love Link and Amelia together. So do you think honestly, because you know, we do this, we do the game of chess on grays Anatomy. Is there any part of you that thinks that really Link should have ended up with Amelia. Maybe the better storyline was to mix it up.
No, I don't. I think Lincoln Amelia were incompatible on a lot of levels, and I think they could have. I think they could have made it work. But I think Lincoln Amelia are old enough and responsible enough and loved each other enough that they that they could have made it work. But I think it was contentious in a lot of ways. Yeah. And and a lot of my best scenes with Katerina were Lincoln Amelia like fight.
Yeah.
And and it's just, you know, it's more fun to come to work and laugh, you know, than than to work on these conflicts.
And it's more sustainable. It's more sustainable.
Yeah.
And Lincoln Joe just get to laugh a lot, which is really.
Nice we do. Yeah. And do you like the medical stuff?
I do like the medical stuff. I will say that I feel like orthopedic Is is one of like the more boring.
I disagree. I totally was thinking was what Cali was. No, I think the opposite.
Okay, I feel like, oh no.
Because I feel like if you're if you're brain doctoring, you're right, you're just like this all the time.
People tiny little tiny.
With you, you get tiny, you're like smashing. Yeah, I think it's so cool.
No, that's that is cool. That is cool. But very rarely am I involved in like the trauma or the life saving aspect.
Yeah.
You know, it's like most of it is like planned procedures and or I'm kind of like the guy who's fixing the bones. Wow, the heart is being worked on, and and I don't get a lot of those like hero doctor w Yeah.
Yeah, do you know who used to get a lot of that? That used to be jealous of Sarah Drew had she was a trauma sert on the show. She just had like patient beds being wheeled in from an ambulance and she was on top of the person.
Doing doing chest impressions and I.
Was like, you look awesome. Yeah, like you got like the hero all the time. And the camera shoots as well. Suited for her too though, because she had that kind of energy.
And cardiothoracic is great. You know, it's like yeah, you know Winston gets to walk off. Yeah. Yeah, just just saved your life with a new surgery that didn't exist ten minutes ago, you know. And I'm like, you will probably regain full mobility and you'll be able to play the piano again in six to eight months. Boring. I mean, look, I've had orthopedic surgeons work on my knees and help me out in life, and it's very important. It's just not as exciting.
Yeah. Yeah, no, I got now that you say that, I realized it's so boring.
She's gonna leave me, just gonna leave me.
Oh, you're just not doing it for me anymore. You can always change.
I changed, I changed, You could just change a million times.
Me and Ben Warren.
Maybe I'll try to like intern with with Winston on cardiothoracic and I'm working on the heart. Yeah, you're just like yeah, and he's like no, no, no, calm down, come down.
Maybe it's a storyline when you guys feel a little a little lull in the passion.
And you're like I need to up my game, I need to get sexier. What can I do? And then you're like it's cardio.
Yeah, it's never been bones for me. Yeah, yeah, that's a line that could be in there.
Yeah.
Sure, let's tease a little bit of our season finale. Okay, we are shooting it right now, you are.
Yeah, this is the part of the show where I'm sick of being your third and I'm getting out of here. I'm gonna let you guys talk about the season finale and all the secrets that it holds and have all of your chemistry and all your passion.
Yeah yeah, all right.
How are you? We love you, we miss you. But she's thank you so much for coming on.
Oh, thank you.
It was great to see you. Okay, so we are and then I do have to ask you some of oc questions because you're not going to be happy. We have a rapid fire at the end. Okay, let's tease a little bit our finale because we're shooting it right now.
Yep.
And what is one word to just well, first off, we have to say that we did the table read and it was.
Oh yeah, I know, the table read was was coming in hot, and.
I you know, sometimes we have finales, I'm like, that's a great finale, and then sometimes it feels like, oh shit, like this is a finale that is going to like e one of those ones that people won't forget. And I feel like after reading it, that was this finale? How what is a word? I'm trying to be so cryptic. There's a great episode seventeen. So we have eighteen episodes this season. Episode seventeen, it's a really huge episode for Joe Link. I don't know how to tease that.
Oh right, seventeen, right right, gotch Oh my god, Chrissy.
We just shot it. A huge episode for Joe and Links.
We're throwing around numbers. Seventeen.
So the episode we just shot is the episode before the finale, episode seventeen. It's a huge Joe Link episode. We can't say what it is, probably, but it's a really big episode and we had a lot of fun. We did a lot and we have a really great guest star that you guys are going to be so excited about.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you guys are gonna be stoked.
Yeah, no, for real, you guys are going to be so excited, and uh, the finale is super dramatic, completely different episode seventeen.
Yeah. No, it's a quick turnaround.
It's a very quick turnaround. And what is one word that you would use to describe it. Don't say what I think, because it's so if you say that word, which could work is so obvious one word, sure, okay, go you can have more words if you need more. All I can think of is the way I know, I know, I know you can't say that though.
It's it's gripping, all right.
I don't know if anyone's let you down. Okay, okay, okay, hang on, let me think, let me think. Oh, I would describe it with one word. I think that it.
Is unrelenting, yes, actually, but it does relent a little. We have we have the only relenting scenes, which turns out to be a pretty comedic beat.
Yes, we're the only comedic beats in that episode. Yeah, it on our Lenting is a great word. I think that it's it's gonna feel like it's super fast paced. There's so much happening, so much strong. Yeah, yeah, you won't be able to like I wouldn't even I really couldn't breathe during the table read. I was like holding my breath the whole time. And I am one of those actors that like, I like to read our scenes and then I don't read anything else, not like a selfish way, but because during the table read, I like to hear the episode for the first time, and so I was hearing the ending for the first time, and I was like so shocked. Really, I mean those last few pages, I was like, oh my god. So you guys have a lot to look forward to. Okay, let's talk about the OC real quick. People want to know if you keep in touch with anyone from the OC, not like regularly.
I've heard from you know, Rachel and Melinda. They've got a podcast.
Yeah, you went on their podcast, your podcast.
And and and I've run into Peter Gallagher.
He's been on our show show I.
Forgot, and I worked with his daughter in Nashville, and and so we've kind of been in touch over the years. But but not like I mean, we don't hang out. Yeah.
Yeah, Well, to be honest, we shoot almost nine months of the year.
Yeah, and I've got two little kids.
We have kids, and so there's not a lot of free time.
There's not a lot of there isn't.
Okay, rapid fire questions. Okay, so one question that we got a lot, it's the call at Cruise Dream. Adam Brody is having a big moment right now. With nobody wants this. They are asked wanting to know if you would love to recollaborate with him and do something with him in the future.
Of course I would. I would love to re collaborate with all of the all of that.
I feel like you would be great on that show to like guest star.
Sure, let's put that out that.
Please, let's get Carmack on that show. Okay, rapid fire. If Link ever left Grace Loan, how would you want his story to end.
If he left Grace Loan? Yeah?
Would you?
He gets he finally gets recruited into the major leagues, Oh God.
And leaves Joe behind and the dust looking after the kids.
He finally follows his passion as a baseball player, and the Mariners realize how good of a pitcher he was with your knees pitcher?
Do you need knees for a picture?
Probably?
Okay? Who on the cast would you trust a babysit your kids?
Not Joe Wilson, No way.
I would trust Link, but I would try. I would trust Bailey.
Oh yeah, Bailey, for sure.
Bailey, I would trust to Okay, who would you want to come back to the show dead or alive?
Well? I mean a whole bunch of dead characters back we did during the COVID season.
I always say, Capshaw, I'm going to add in Jake Burrelly.
He's not dead. Oh, but he's alive. Yeah, I said dead or alive? Yeah. No, Jake Brelly we had a lot of fun.
Yeah.
And he's such a good foil for Joe.
And but you've had great scenes with him too.
Also, Jake is just a gem.
Yeah. And he's an incredible actor. He's someone that can seamlessly go back and forth between comedy and drama. So I feel my answer would be Jake and Jessica, but it's Jake yours.
Well.
I mean, now you feel the pressure to say Jake, You're like, no, not, no, no.
I mean my first thought was if we're taking dead or alive, I mean, if you could resurrect Derek.
Oh yeah, I mean there was a way, I know, to be honest, I mean, listen, I was a McDreamy, uh Meredith fan. So I don't I don't hate that answer at all. Okay, if from the Oh, this is a great one. If Luke from the O C walked into Gray Slow Hospital.
Young Luke is coming in with like gigantically alarming swollen testicles from what from the surfing accident?
I was like, is this a huge case of his.
The fin on his surfboard got him caught the balls he caught? Yeah, yeah, I.
Can imagine that. I was going to say that you your no shark bite, a shark bite. No, I was going to say that you got into a fight broken nose.
Oh well yeah, but that's boring.
Yeah, yeah, no, I like the balls from the Who from the cast would be your emergency contact?
Who from We're not on We're not on the o C anymore, We're not on the o C.
Who from the cast would be your emergency contact? I'm right here from the cast? From the cast, you do the cast, and then you do the characters.
Oh, we're doing the cast for the characters.
If you were in jail, like, who would you call? I'd call Jim Pickens. I feel like Jim can get us out.
Maybe Kevin McKidd Kevin.
Kevin could get us out of jail.
I think Kevin could bail me out, can break me out.
If you had, Kevin could break you out. I think Jim could sweet talk us out. Geting one call from Jim, and it's like, hey, well.
That's the thing is like Jim probably knows the sheriff.
Yeah you know what I mean.
Yeah, he's got deep connections.
Character Wise, who would you call emergency? Well, I hope you call me.
Yeah. Character wise I love that.
Real life, it wouldn't be me.
I'm thinking, I think you live all the way across, Like, there's just no way it would take too ye yeah.
Yeah you're thinking of the traffic. No, that's a good point. Yeah, it took me hours to get to you. Who from the cast would you pick as your best man in real life if you were to get married today?
Who from the asked? From the cast?
Again? I would pick Jim Pickens.
He looks good standing up there in a suit.
Let's be honest, Jim Pickens is the best dressed out of all the guys.
He always looks.
He looks, Yeah, he looks amazing.
Always.
Would I pick you?
Say? How how do you do? Well?
You know when costumes dresses, you look great.
I often can't even find matching shoes in my house.
Yeah you fine? Okay. People want to know, Well, this is hard because you're with me, so I don't know if you can answer this truthfully. But do you think Joe and Linker endgame?
I do? Yeah, I do too, which means which.
Means they which we're going to destroy these two, I mean, I hope. So it's hard to be endgame on our show, it is.
I mean, how can you be endgame? If you if you're endgame, that's like story feels kind of over.
Yeah, don't you think the link like has to be a sort of endgame with Joe? Otherwise it's like, Hey, this is my baby mama Emilia and my other baby mama Joe. But like, let me let's day. You have quite the voice do you wish they were on the show for when the musical episode happened?
The musical episode is is yes? The answer is yes, Yeah, Yeah, it's it's it's so either loved or hated. Yeah, divisive, but.
Yeah, I as gonna say, because it's been so divisive, it's iconic for sure.
So I would have loved to have been on it. Also, I love asking Kevin about it. I don't know if he's come on the show. He's Oh, no, we're.
Gonna have Kevin on the show. Kevin has some great stories.
He's got some great story.
Yeah, no, we have to know. He has some great musical EPs those stories too, for sure. Okay, I personally want to know because I have heard you sing if you could be like a live action Disney character in a movie, who would it be.
Oh well, I'd have to be a prince, which one though.
There's so many. Do you know who I think you could have been or could be? Fin Ryder?
That was actually the one I was thinking.
Really, yeah, yeah, I'll be your Rapunzel. They get you tangled together, they just got to age it up, so we're like, you know, it's gonna take us a long time to get down the tower tangled. Yeah, I'm like, God, this is sticking forever.
Okay.
Chris Clamorerck, I love you. Everyone has wanted you on the pod literally since I started. And the truth is is you were supposed to come on and then we hit pause because we were filming. But also I was like, let's recap our engagement episode, which was so by the way, I have to say this, Jesse Williams directed that episode, and sometimes when we do these scenes together, I'm like completely enthralled, where I even forget like my next line and it happened also in the episode not last season, the finale before when we were in the rain and we were talking about and I was so romanticized, I don't even know if that's the word. Sure, romanticized by your engagement, and so I was very happy to say yes to it.
Oh Will, and.
Not reject all the rings I ammiliated. Please come back on the show, because hopefully these two are together forever and we'll have lots more to discuss. Everyone, let's call it the end of the episode.
Hey, there're folks, it's DJ Holmes and Amy Roeboch.
Don't miss Morning Run every weekday morning Monday through Friday.
Yeah, we'll be covering the biggest stories, everything you need to know, breaking news, politics, pop culture on our daily podcast, Morning Run, And of course it has a little bit of our own personal flare to it.
Yeah that's right.
Make sure to subscribe now, so every day when you wake up, you've got the Morning Run waiting for you.
Listen to Morning Run wherever you get your podcasts.
Welcome to casual chaos, where I'm telling my story unfiltered, unedited, and unapologetic for a moment you didn't see on camera, to secrets, Nobody's dared to spill. I'm bringing you behind the scenes like never before. I'm talking love life because let's be real here, it's been a journey wellness and the truth behind the headlines. And of course I've got the receipts. Plus I'll be sitting down with some of the biggest named in pop culture for casually chaotic conversations you won't hear anywhere else. So for yourself and espresso martini and get ready because once you start listening, you'll be waking up in the morning thinking about so many things. Listen to Casual Chaos starting on March twenty fourth on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
You met Michelle Lally in the hit Bravo show The Valley. You met me literally during the most difficult chapter in my life. Now it's time for you to meet the real met Michelle Sennie. Yes, I change my name and I want you to follow me on my journey to the pursuit of sassiness. So much has happened to me before, during, and after the show. Before you can really understand the eight weeks that you saw on TV, I think you have to know what was going on from the very beginning, from being raised by two immigrant parents, paying my own way through college and working at Hooters, to starting my own real estate empire, getting married, having a baby during COVID, to that very same marriage falling apart on national TV, to losing my mom to eventually finding love again.
There is so much to unpack and share.
I'm on the pursuit of happiness and most importantly, I'm on the pursuit of Sassinus. Listen to Pursuit of Sassinus starting on March seventeenth on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
