Tinseltown MUA Nova Kaplan visits the studio to discuss tiktok makeup trends such as: pumpkin girl makeup, cloud makeup, faux freckles, red carpet looks, and stage makeup, while giving Chelsea a "Latte Girl" beat. Chelsea tries to get her barky dog to bark and learns he is no show-pony. A caller pretends she has old skin. A lass with mild eczema on her knuckles shares her girlfriend's harrowing medical tale. A gent is mysteriously cured of Psoriasis. Famous dermatologist Dr. Emma dishes on bot flies and her gory skin disorder series "Save My Skin." She compares cutting open boils and cysts to unboxing videos. Immediately thereafter Ojai Bakestress Emily Alben penetrates Chelsea's mouth with 3 types of LEMONY DESSERT!!! Chelsea erroneously whitesplains hot sauce! Etc. Plus: slammin' new music cues from the iheart vault!
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Welcome. Do call Chelsey Brady the Reboot. We have a jam packed episode for you today. I can't lie. I am not so uncomfortable lying. I'm not even like a real big lie biomission type of gal. So here's the deal. This episode is now long, steroids its segments, guess video clips. What do we have today for you? Well, I'll tell you what we have. We have an m u a a Moah makeup artist. Did you know that wah is makeup artist? It is. It's a little Hollywood lengo for you makeup artists to the stars. Okay, we're gonna examine some TikTok makeup trends. Are they go? Are they bad? Are they stupid? Are they acidine? We don't know because we're also stupid. But we're gonna try to unpack it and we're gonna try to saying what's going on. We're gonna try to see what's viral and what is made up fake viral things that I made up to try to trick this makeup artist. We are a medical professional coming in, Well she's not coming in, she's actually on video. We are talking across the pond to a medical professional about skin. Skin yeah, and some of the things that can go wrong, very very wrong in fact, to the point where it was absolutely upsetting.
We all saw on the agenda, hem a baker.
There's what people do for stand up there, like comedian. So what if I say for baker, we have a bakerrette. We have a bake stress coming into this studio. We're gonna do an in studio taste test, what food test of three different baked goods and see which one is the best and why. So that's kind of the lay of the land. So buckle up. What world? Okay? So Nova's a makeup artist to the stars. First of all, we met two dms. No, we did. It's also how I met my husband. Yeah, you know, I believe in it. Now, first of all, thanks for coming on the podcast. We're gonna look at some TikTok makeup trends. I brought some. I went through TikTok and I looked at some of these trends and I was going to ask you about them. You tell me if you think this is a real trend or a fake trend, and describe what you think the trend is. Okay, punking your makeup?
Oh it sounds so stupid that I feel like it has to be real. But okay, cloud skin, I'm gonna go no, only because I feel, oh I'm wrong, it's real.
Cloud skin just means Matt wait what it's just it means like there's a lot of people predicting trends beyond twenty, you know whatever. They're like, what's next, and they're like, no more dewey skin. Yeah, no more dewey skin. And that's called cloud skin. It's not called clouds.
It is TikTok is wrong because you think the clouds would be like sheer coverage like that.
Or you'd think it would be dewey because they're literally clouds are made out of dew Yeah, so cloud skin is real. Unapproachable makeup. Oh that's real.
I know that's real, which just means like like sexy makeup.
It's so stupid because the final look, I was like, it just looks like absolutely nothing. It's just make.
It's just well it's like a just a smoky eye and like a like.
Literally you could wear it to the office. It made no sense, like unapproachable. I was like, this is just everyone's an ad man now, everyone's just shilling product and these look names are absolute proof of that latte makeup. We're doing that today. We're doing that today and it is real.
Was that like a too soon of a reveal?
No, I think it's a perfect time. Okay, perfect. We're only about halfway through our list, So latte makeup is what we landed on. Because we have coffee cranking through our cysts here at the podcast. We're a coffee based podcast. We all know that this is a podcast that rides or dies for coffee and all coffee derivatives. So we landed on the latte makeup, which how would you describe it? It's browned, right, brown makeup, So we're doing it. It's gonna look like a smeared duty all over myself.
It is because it's like that kind of brown.
Yeah, okay, so no makeup makeup of course, that was the original dumb name for makeup, right, no makeup makeup, which is like when guys are like, I don't think girls with makeup, They're they're liking no makeup makeup, Yeah, idiots. Nineties lips are back, yea brown liner, nude lip gloss glass.
I am saying, like a resurgence of gloss, and I'm so excited.
Loved glass remember lip glass mac Nightmare but looked cool. There's shell awful.
Yeah yeah, and would always like explode if I took it anywhere, like if it goes on a flight, it is covering and congealing everything in that bag.
Faux freckles. Do you do those? I can't. What do you think about them? I like them? I think they're cute.
I I struggle with like for like a carpet, Say if I do them dark enough for them to overpower the like the crazy flash that's happening on a carpet.
It's like theater makeup, you know, when you're on stage. Theater makeups on the back of the room, play.
To the back of the house. Listen. That was my calling as a stand up. But yeah, like you know a lot of like theater stage makeup also looks insane in person, but obviously if you're in a theater space looks fine in the audience. It's all perspective. I guess that is what we're kind of trying to get at all. Right, So fluffy brows are apparently on their way out, which thank goodness, because I plucked mine to the high heavens in the nineties. I did too, and mine grew back somehow. Well I want my back, and I you know, people like cast No, you can get you know, you can get a brow transplant. I can't. I don't have it. Animation, I don't have it. I barely have it in me to like just walk my dog. Like, I can't get a brow transplant. You just go to sleepwalls no way, and then they'll be like ding, tiny brows are in and I'm like, fuck, bald on the back of my head with fluff brows, and everyone's like, ew, that's not what's tragedy. No, my grandmother did though. Okay, your redstine eye makeup was a big old thing. Is that done now or I feel like it's like still coming, still raging? Okay, w blush, that is very real. I call it sunburn blushed. And you like that or not.
No.
I feel like if you do it too much, it just looks like you're having an allergic reaction. But if you do it like delicately, a little bit on the nose, I think it's super cute.
The thing I really hate is when people treat every face the same, yes, and they do make up.
Artists who contour my nose how much. I'm like, it's got shadow. Don't worry about that before. But yeah, crying, Oh my god, I can't believe this is going to turn into an emotional revelation.
I you understand sarcasm, right, I just I figured someone in your.
Field of work would be able to get that. I'm actually very gullible. Really yeah, okay, wait, I'm still not done here, So dog shit, make that is? It's an alternate name for what we're doing today. Okay, okay, no that is real. No it's not. Okay, yeah, it's fake. I did make it up. Menstrual glam, that's vake. I really believe it's real.
The fact that you weren't sure for so long and trying to read my eyes is such a testament to how far we've fucking what do you call it?
Straight?
Yeah?
I mean menstrul glam. Either you're using red tones to conjure menstrual fluids or I mean, what else could it be? Menstrual glam is just not Wow, you're flushed.
I don't know. Okay, it's fake, vanilla, madam, I don't know it's fake. Okay, all right, that's enough. What have we learned there's just anyone naming a trend makes it a trend. I guess how many followers do you need to to If you name a trend, then it's real. Yeah, it feels like that's kind of it. This is outrageous. I cannot believe this palette. She's a viral TikToker. Of course she is.
The colors are like fart box and butt trouble and diarrhea and dingle well played TikToker.
So I wore my brown shirt in honor of this latte.
Look.
I love monochromatic clothes, you know, like all browns and yeah yeah, so to elevate that to also make up, it's pretty hardcore. All right, how's this latte look coming along? This is the real I look like Isabella Rosselini. It's straight up good. Something you would wear. I would, and I think the shirt sells it. I think without the shirt that would be it's nothing. You'd be like, where's the makeup? And with the shirt, it's like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa A lot of tame makeup. Yeah, that's a lot of tame makeup. No, but thank you. Okay, Well that was pretty good. Right, I think so. Tip tap tip tip tap tip tap tip tip tap tip tap tip tip tap.
Hey a little baby, just a little baby, just a little baby here, okay.
One two three.
When I usually when I go one two three, four, five, six, seven eight nine, one two three, come on, he always usually barks one.
Two three, four, five, six, seven, eight nine ten.
God, I can't believe this is the most barking dog and he won't bark on camera. Come on, man, Oh yeah, that's good. Okay, okay, all right, all right, now we got them. Okay, come here, come here, come come on. Well, can't put that back in the bottle, folks, We got it, okay, all right, all right. Oh hello, hello Douglas. I'm good.
How are you?
My heart being on my chest like crazy?
What I heard.
Speaking on my chest like crazy? I've been trying to get a hold of you. Yeah, I'm just a huge fan.
Oh my goodness. Well, welcome you made it.
I did, Thank you.
Hold on, wait, I think there's a song that speaks to our relationship. You wow, unreal? Right, what can I tell you? I'm taking calls kind of bridging the gap between two guests on this episode. One is a makeup artist, and one is a dermatologist. If you want to talk about your makeup routine, yeah, if you want to talk about some skin issues you may have had or an allergic reaction, you'd be the perfect bridge.
Okay, go.
So I'd kind of like to switch up my beauty routine. Last month, I was using Kiels, which was great, okay, and I found a kind of the Ultra Sorry, I'm kind of nervous.
Okay, take your time, hold on, hold on, let me give you some soothing music. Ready, okay, go.
So yeah, so just help me.
So I used to use the Ultra repair cream and then I found, after like a month or so of my skin to kind of anuly try.
Yeah.
And then I switched to a Korean brand that my friend recommended me from a Korean skin care to talk and it's incredible. It's kind of changed my life. I started off with as a one step carry routine, and then I went to two steps and I'm at five and my skin has completely changed. I have glowing skin. It's amazing.
Yeah. And then.
I'm just trying to give hef to what you're saying, give it a bit of mood. It's amazing. What a soundtrack can do right to just change what someone's saying in the whole entire mood of it.
Absolutely, and that's what I always one of my favorite parts of your show. Like a printer and I would draw up to the cabin a lottery in the pandemic. He had the cabin up north of Minnesota, and we would just listen to your podcast over and over again, like the same twenty episodes, and we'd have the friends right up with us. It's insane at this moment has come full circles.
Do you even see a skin issue? I can't remember. Oh no, you were talking about your makeup routine. I used to use Keel's body butter, but then I feel like Keel's has lots of cords. I love that.
So if you get that body butter and then they have like the actual lotion, the body butter is.
Amazing because that kind of well the one you said though, though, when there's like yellow and a little squirt.
Bottle that's tall, yes, like Crema cordz.
Yes, I used to use that, but then I like, I got into this organic facial lady and she basically made me kind of turned off by products with lots of chemicals in them.
I know, I really bad at that too. That fight, I kind of my friend plushed me towards cream skincare because it's really transparent about what they're put in there. And I use this for a brand called Beauty of Jossan. I highly recommend. I'm a super super avoidable and yeah, very transparent ingredients. And yeah, I've always been really bad about looking at my labels of what I put on my skin. And yeah, after kind of having bad reactions like you know, suwy dry skin or rashes or whatnot, Well.
You know what I'm going to recommend to you. I've probably said it before on the podcast and probably multiple times, but Jennifer Aniston once said it in an article, and I've been a devotee ever since. You want to know what it is or do you already know?
Wait?
Is that her?
I know she has a new like sampoo and sign. I don't know.
Is it.
Egyptian Magic?
You got a brand?
Yeah, it's kind of like a little pot of vasiline. It's called Egyptian Magic. I put it all over my face. I'm not prone to breakouts. I tend to have dry skin. You slather it on at night wake up and your skin just looks nice. I really love that.
It's like bag bomb, like you know what I mean, Like that little kind of like gasline that comes like in a green ten kind of like that like a all over cream that you can put on your lips.
No, because that sounds like it's harder and waxier. Balm makes me think harder. This is like super soft and you can rub it on your face and it's like it's not like hard to rub in or something. Also, I love I sun products, all organic, lots of oil based.
Okay, I.
S u n. Anyhow, what a journey.
It's time to say goodbye.
It's time to say.
Hello my friend. Hello, my friend. What a skin condition?
Hello, my friend?
Ready to take notes? What's your skin condition?
Quickly?
Aging? Honey, honey, honey, sit down, pull up a chair, let's talk. Remember when, well, you might not, Actually you're old, you probably do. Do you remember when everyone used to do movie phone impressions? They were like, no rain, movie phone, make your selection. It's a by gone time. It is a time. I love pretending to talk to you. My skin carries the imprint of movie phone impressions, like my wrinkles hold The story of a movie phone impression in bygone times is when do I ask my question? I guess now is a good time.
Hold on, okay, questions?
How do I retain my skin?
I'm in my late twenties.
Hold on, hold on, late twenties, and you're trying to talk. I'm commiserating with you about fucking scanning. You're in your late twenties. What my fucking hell, upside down world is this? How dare you? Hey, hey, hey, hi? How dare you?
I'm backwards?
I'm backwards with all helps.
And when people in their twenties talk to me about their fucking wrinkled trials and travails, this is me in my head. You don't know nothing until you're in your forties, I know, but I'd say more so, I'm worried about getting skin cancer.
So other than.
You know, societal woes.
Telling me to worry about how I look, I think I am more concerned about nice pivot.
Nice pivot, because listen, who can get mad about fearing skin cancer?
Right?
Yes, this is really this is about cancer.
Actually, it's very very.
Do you really taken us down rude with your story.
That honestly, that button has never been more propos. I honestly, I'm often hesitant to use a number of these buttons. That button just hit the spot like a mola carbonora. So what can I tell you about skin cancer? One thing, I'm a survivor. I had a chunk of it. Well, I had a small blemish on my face that was cancerous, and I had it removed and I now have a scar on my face. Feels great, feels great. As an actor someone on camera, it sucks. What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? Part of me really feels like though, would it really have killed me if I just left it on?
Like?
And actually I think it was. It wasn't a melanoma, but the kind it was. I said, what would have happened if I just didn't treat it? Because you have to think people who don't have like great healthcare probably aren't finding these kinds of things or identifying them. And the dermatologist said it would turn into a crater on your face. Actually it's I guess what, I don't know. Take take my chances.
Yeah, I'm going to take my chances.
No, it just makes me realize I should probably go speak to my I have a dermatologist, and that.
Is the goal of the pod cast. Two new dings, that one and that one? Which ding do you prefer? This is like, this is like a hearing test. Can you hear this? Yeah? Can you hear this?
Yes?
Did you hear that? I kind of do you hear this? M No, you're deaf. That was a trick question. That was a trick. I didn't actually ding anything. There's the two things back and back. Okay, I've actually been really cranking on coffee to an extreme degree this morning. Coffee coffee, coffee got coffee crank and throom got coffee crank, coffee crank and through sisky and coffee.
Express.
It makes me want to listen to your your platinum songs about using the bathroom after a couple of coffee.
Expresso Sorry e a beautiful song that one.
Expresso Express, Well, thank you.
So much, Expresso.
Say goodbye.
It's time to say bye.
We can't license my songs that I want, so we got.
It's time to say goodbye.
It's time to say.
Honestly, it's gonna work. I think it's pretty funny. Let's see what this one is actually. I'll save it for the next caller. Anyhow, tootle loop, thanks for calling, Thank you, and God lets me a great week back at you see kinder, gentler, warmer.
It's time to say goodbye.
Honestly, pretty good time to say.
Now.
See that is a warmer way to get off the phone, like you can even sing along with it, like it's time day the bar. Hello, what's your skin condition?
Uh?
Fair?
Too moderate?
Oh oh what fair to mat what? What? What?
Uh?
Combo?
Dry to oily?
But I have a medical horror story if you want to hear it. Woo do you want to hear it?
Of course?
Okay, So my partner is well this this happened when she was twenty six, but she was misdiagnosed as uterine fibroids. Turns out to be uterine cancer.
Oh my god.
So they didn't the doctors didn't do anything for maybe like a year because they were like, oh, it's not emergent, it's not cancer. Turns out it was cancer.
Fucking nightmare.
Yeah, it was pretty horrible. She ended up with thirty one pounds of tumors.
Oh my god, that's insane. So is she okay?
Now?
God? Please?
Yeah?
She beat it. I don't know what I would say, if you're like, no, she passed this past weekend, I'd be like, eh, they think they think, sorry, we're out of time. No, listen, that's terrifying. I'm so scared of I. Honestly, you do hear those stories, which is what makes people be I don't know if the word is hypochondriac or extra vigilant, but it's like you do hear these stories of like, yeah, the doctor said the lump in my breast was nothing to worry about.
You know, yeah, exactly. The doctors for so long were like it was just getting like progressively worse. It was like she was on her period. I had twenty four hours a day, every single day of the week for months, and.
Her doctor's like, you're good.
It's like doc, yeah, exactly.
You want to change my tampons for me because they ain't changing themselves docking room.
Yeah.
I tho to god, she must have gone through like a pack of Maxi pads every day.
Good god, it's like cigarettes exactly like that. She was essentially a change chese smoker, but a tamp stuffer.
Yeah, yeah, essentially, so she was. She was out of work for a long time. She did almost die.
Okay, you said that like it was a good thing.
You're like, no, No, she wasn't a good thing. Yeah, but it did get her into surgery faster, which she was able to survive from that.
Listen, not for nothing. If I had my period for twelve days, I'd be in the er.
Yeah.
Yeah, she she flatlined during the surgery. They brought her back. Oh and then she now she's twenty eight. She doesn't have a uterus, she doesn't have a cervix, she doesn't have filoppian tubes, she has one ovary.
Sorry, I just as you were listing that, I'm like imagining hitting the laugh after each one of those, because it's almost like you're holding for applause on each detail. But it's so horrific, Jess. You know, it's like the things that women go through. I feel like our medical Maybe I'm wrong, but it does feel like women's medical issues are so complex. And I feel like I've heard that before, like men's medical issues tend to come in their sixties or something, whereas women, it feels like it's just a rampage throughout all our stages of life.
Yeah, And the thing with uterine cancer is that it's getting more common for like the younger generation, everything is menopause.
God, every fucking cancer is getting more common for young people. Colon cancer too. Yep, honey, what do we do? What do we do about this?
I have not a clue.
Stop single use plastic. Yeah, maybe so is what you said. This is your your wife or your girlfriends.
This is my girlfriend. We're not married, but we've been together for uh it's like five years.
What about you? Enough about the old lady. What's your deal? Any skin conditions? Trying to steer you back to the topic. What about you? Skin conditions like crazy or what?
I have mild eggs on my knuckles.
That's not going to cut it, honey, Yeah, sorry, mild egg SMA on my knuckles. What's your makeup routine?
I haven't worn makeup in maybe like seven years.
No, I'm just kidding, you know what. I respect it, Honestly, I should give it up. I'm trying to give it up for a lent or something. All right, well, listen, I oh, listen here we've gotten to the point. But I have a new song to play.
Now let us say it.
Stray.
It's John for you, Go Go goodbye.
Were you able to hear the lyrics.
Yeah, yeah, so I guess I should say goodbye.
Wait one more, thank you for loving me.
Hello.
These are some songs that I heart had access to. What do you think pretty good?
Yeah?
I would say pretty good compared to Tank, It's it's a heart.
It's a heart. It's a rough one to follow, absolute inspired genius and.
Thank you for loving me.
Love. Let's see. There's this one too, looking for someone like you, for somebody to Okay, some of these are gonna work, though. I think like part of the struggle of this podcast is part of the charm. I'm hoping and having struggling music. No no disrespect to these artists, because my god, incredible work, but having struggled music is kind of fits the show, you know.
Yeah.
The last one kind of reminded me of the I don't know if you remember the song you you demonstrated that was like, uh, the elevator song. It's like welcome home, my friend, you're on the fifteenth floor.
You seem like a real You're gonna get sorry yep, just checking all my buttons still work. I don't know what you're talking about, but I do feel like there's that energy shift I need to make happen right now. I want to say thank you for sharing your ultimately your girlfriend's story with me. I'm glad she's in good health.
Now it's time to say good bye.
It's time to say.
It's time to say good bye.
It's time to say hello.
Hi.
Is this Chelsea?
It is.
Hi.
I have a couple of food test options for you, if you're amenable.
Okay, great, I am amenable.
One.
Let me get my ding ready.
So the theme would be savory items are arguably savory items as dessert items, So using tahini in a dessert.
Oh, actually, I jumped the gun. I thought you were gonna say, like sweet hummus, which for me is a no. I'm gonna add that to the list.
Do that? Does that exist?
Sweet hummus? Yes, people do chocolate hummus, honey. Okay, so sweet hummus, and people do savory oatmeal that.
I had a friend in college who would do like with chicken stock and that seemed dron to me.
Okay, you're right, you're right about that. Okay, So what is your okay? Now? Tahini. I have had a number of places in La do chocolate chip cookies with tahini in it. I don't taste the tahini, but the cookies themselves are magical. So I'm gonna say tahini is good in desserts.
Okay, great, I'll say correct. So the next would be olive oil or chili crisp on top of ice cream.
That's okay, what do you think you like chili crisp?
I I've had. I've had olive oil on top of ice cream before, and it was good. But there was some place in San Francisco that did it.
I can see that the ice cream.
The chili crisp I see advertised everywhere, and I'm just not sure.
You see chili crisp advertised everywhere for being on ice cream? Where do you live? Cuckoo Banana Town? Cuckoo Banana Town, guys, All right, but of course, I mean I would try it, like, don't get me wrong, I'll try most things, but I don't have high hopes for chilling crowls from Mr.
Fair Enough, fair enough, okay. So my last one is probably most controversial, which is fois gras as a dessert.
Don't put me in this hot seat, sister, Don't you dare put me in this hot seed. I can't believe these songs. So there's one that I don't know what these there's a couple songs I don't know what they are, but these songs are pretty funny. It's so funny. What is like, I don't know what's licensable? And like, imagine you made that song and then you just hear yourself on this podcast, Like what a weird journey. Sometimes I think copyrights and all that, like, I know they protect us, and this is probably a stupid thing to say, but sometimes I'm like, God, imagine like making art before all this, like when you could just be so inspired by each other and just make shit and do it. And you know, there's so much red tape now with everything. I don't know. The flow of it all is very like stagnated by it all. All right, Hello, what's your skin issue?
Oh? I used that psoriasis?
Oh?
How was it?
It sucked? It was weird. It was like really bad for like five years and then it just went away.
That's strange. Did you make a dietary change?
I don't know. It was like from twenty oh seven to twenty twelve and then it just stopped. It just went away in a matter of a couple of weeks or a couple, and I still get like occasional like flare ups. I see a germantologists every so often, but.
Occasional flaps.
It's gone, yeah yeah, but super controllable. No one can even tell. It's so minor.
Question. I don't remember the symptoms of siasis. Is it like redness or is that rosesia?
I think it's rasesia. No, likerisis is like you get like almost like scab, like dry scabby. Let me write that down, and it could crack and sometimes it can bleed crack. It's not fun.
Okay, So my notes it says dry scab, crack, bleed, ry scab bleed. Okay, so that is SISIs. I can't believe it just came and went like that. I have to believe it was. Can it be triggered? Now I'm no doctor. I will have a skin doctor on this episode. But but but that's wonderful, thank you so much. But but but what I think is could it be caused by like a detergent or a food and you just change it?
Yes, it can. So. So the doctors that I remember many years back there we're like, okay, you need to eat these foods these like sugars could trigger it. Stress is very known to trigger it. What else, like, yeah, detergents I used to have used to have to use like sensitive skin soaps. Oh, apparently lufahs are the devil if you have any dry skin issues, like you should never use a loofah. So I stopped using lucid.
Then counterintuitive, isn't it?
It is?
Yeah, I really want to scrub all that ship off and start fresh. And then so what does a loofah do if you have.
It? Scratches your skin and then it exposes it more to have more of a propensity to to make it spread.
Ah, well, well so that's weird. You don't really have a solution for the listener who may have Surisis it's just absolutely out of your control? Is the message?
There?
There are great medications. There's like these biologics, I think that's what they're called. They're like injectable. There's also like laser treatment. There's also topicals. There are no no, I didn't do any of that, but but that's what exists.
I know.
But you know, I'm really I think you're presenting me with a bit of a head scratch. I'm trying to find out.
I don't.
I didn't have to use any of that. It just went away.
I know.
I'm just saying, why did it go away? If I'm you, I'm like, I need answers. Why was it here for five years?
Why to go away?
I asked my dermatologists that many times and they don't know. They just don't know. They tried to get me on.
I know, I know that was so od I actually had to band in the button I could have. First it was so quiet, and then I asked for it to be a little louder, and all of a sudden it was the loudest boo I've ever heard anyhow Well, listen, thanks for calling in. Sorry about your psiasis situation, but happy about that miracle disappearance.
Yeah, as I might. And thanks for coming back to the pod.
Thank you. Oh lot's like out of time. Goodbye. All right, that's the end of the calls. We have special guests on this episode. What do I know about skin? What do I know about why someone has scaly knuckles or five years of you know, cysts or whatever it is. I'm not a doctor, not a doctor, but someone else is someone who happens to have agreed to be on this shell. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome your next segment.
Oh my goodness, doctor Emma free Thorne.
Am I seeing that correctly?
Yeah?
Perfect?
Perfect? Sometimes I get called like all kinds of names, but you've got that spot.
On I okay. First of all, thank you so much for doing the podcast. I've been Okay, me and my husband have watched Save My Skin, your series on TLC. Wait, how many seasons do you have? Like six?
Yeah, so you will have had five series so far, but there is a six series that's we've just in fact, we've finished filming it this weekend, so yeah, so we we we have yet to see it. I think it will go out in the UK in January and then you get it in April. So yeah, that'll be your season six.
So see my Skin.
Okay, So we started by watching this other series that was about brains and emergency rooms and then Save my Skin kind of.
I don't know how we happened upon it, but or maybe someone told me. I can't remember, but we're like, okay, let's watch this Save my Skin. Honestly, And I was describing it at a stand up show the other night and people were screaming no, no. I should play that clip here actually of people screaming no when I was describing the show.
It's so hard to be alone with it. Okay, I won't say the demails. I'm just gonna vaguely say that the textures.
Basically, you are taking people with extreme skin problems. There was a woman that comes to mind with absesses under her armpits that wouldn't heal. There's a man with these huge kind of bumps on his back that you were cutting open, and it was like going on a roller coaster to watch your show. Me and my husband are actually screaming at the top of our lungs during some of the procedures that you were doing, and literally hiding under our blankets from trying to tap out from watching some of these things. I will say, you have a proclivity for describing the smell of things that you're excising, and I'm like, you are demonic. Why I was like, she is psychotic? I was telling my husband, why is she describing the smell you described it?
Secretly wanted to know, Oh.
My god, it definitely adds to it. I will say, it was just like the exhilaration and screaming. I was like, oh, I can kind of see maybe why people like this in horror movies. Now is your show, Are we seeing like the top five percent of extreme cases or is this a typical day for you?
So it's a bit. So these patients are the kind of typical patients that I would see day to day. So I work at the Saint John's Institute of Dermatology, which is you know, it's the biggest center in Europe really for dermatology and it's based in London, so I see a lot of kind of tertiary specialist cases anyway, So these are the typical kind of things that we would see. And the people who come on the show are people who have applied to be on the show, so they are somewhere else in the country or actually somewhere in the world. We get people come from all over who send in a photograph and just simply say, you know, please, can I get some help because they're not getting help where they are locally. So yes, it's similar to what I would see in my day to day because it's outside my own catchment area of say London. Then you're seeing bigger and greater things as well.
Yeah, I feel like there was some people. I mean, there was a couple different people who had lumps all over their entire body. I don't know if they were the same. One guy had lipomas, which I actually have some in my arms, and I was like, now, I'm like, should I get this out because my doctor said no, But I don't want it to be this big and leave a scar. But I guess most of them don't grow.
He said, most of them don't grow. But it's hard to predict which ones are going to grow. So if they are growing, you typically can you realize that they're getting bigger. And so if you've got one that's growing, then I would just say, then's the time to get it done. But most people will just have one and it doesn't do anything at all.
Yeah, but that one guy just had massive ones all over his entire body and it's like crazy or you're like having to remove a couple at a time. Is that because of wound care being too challenging? If you like you can't just go in and take them all.
Out, Yeah, you can take them all out because it's yeah, it's too many, you know, areas of infection and for healing. It's okay, probably to take you know, six, seven, eight, I mean I think the most have taken out in one go has been around about thirty because there were small ones with the record of seven seconds. I mean that's what games. You then start to plays like hwe quickly, can I get out of this live Homer? Okay, start the timer seven seconds?
You really love your job? Oh yeah, which really comes through And I do think it's part of why the show is also so fun to watch, because you are like literally and figuratively into digging in and figuring out what you can.
Do, and.
Yeah, we try and as two. So each episode has four stories, and there are two of them we call gorries where you're hiding okay, and two of them are stories where it takes you on the journey of the patient so that you can kind of understand a little bit what it's like to have a skin disease and the challenges that it faces. And then obviously I have to get my thinking hat on to try and work out what is wrong with this person, what treatments have we got available, how can we make them better?
So if we did, if you did four gorries, you might lose all your viewers. Exactly, because they'd just be hiding under a blanket and just be like, I can't take it. They'd have to tap out. But you seem to have an infinite capacity for the gorries. You could do that all day long.
All day long. I mean, that's really fun.
I guess you have to also have a camera crew that isn't squeamish, right, because I'm sure there's people who would literally throw up from some of the stuff the gorris.
I mean, yes, but it's more fun whenever they are squeamish and they have to keep filming, Like, do.
You have a camera person or anyone in your crew who's like, I can't look at this? And you know, you described that guy's back boils as smelling like scrambled eggs, and I was just like, I cannot. It's so visceral to think that this man is packing around scrambled eggs scented and it looked like scrambled eggs. Yeah, they all look.
So different and they all smell so different. So the one actually just was filming just last weekend as well, and the one last weekend was absolutely wonderful. It was a cyst that she had on her jaw and she'd had it for twelve years, so normally by twelve years, I was thinking it's going to be really degraded and this, you know, that very yellow week kind of brown color that comes out of it. But it wasn't at all, you know. I went into it and it was pure white. It was like cram fresh, absolutely gorgeous, beautiful white, just coming out.
Did you spread it on a cracker and put a little cavia on top?
To be honest, she could have done and probably not really noticed the difference.
It really looked like cram fresh.
It did. It's not like it as well.
Oh god, you should have a cooking show combined with your show.
You'll like that one when you see it, because it comes out. And then because it was so big, I needed to get the contents off at it so it could just be the small scar. And then I very carefully dissected the sack out and I lifted the sack up and I said, do you want to see it? And just said yes, of course. So I showed it to her and then laid it down and Matty, who's my nursey you'll have seen on it? We both looked at each other. We're like it just looks like a condom.
Oh my gosh, wait a minute, you'll see that.
That was Another question is why do you Because I've noticed that as well, you ask patients do you want to see it? What is that about?
Because they all want to. Very rarely would you get somebody who doesn't want to. They really just are quite intrigued to find out what was inside them. It's a bit I think like the unboxing videos you know that kids love to watch on YouTube where they see what is inside hinder egg. And it's a little bit like that. You really just want to.
What's inside is not a presence or anything you want. It's like the boxing video. And then have you ever seen anything caused by makeup? Anything terrible that was caused by makeup?
I mean not terrible. However, there are lots and lots of people, there's you know, lots of trends at the minute, especially on social media.
There are we're discussing them on this episode.
Okay, so you know, get ready, get ready with me and all of you know this kind of thing. And when you think about every single piece of makeup is essentially just a bunch of chemicals, that's all it is. And each time you put the chemicals on your face, you're essentially, for some people, introducing an irritant dermatitis. In other words, you can make the skin go red and itchy, or an allergic dermatitis, in which case you can develop blisters and you know, red rashes. So makeup can cause those two things. One of the other things that make up and all of these other cosmetics that a lot of people will use, are that and the preservatives and other things that are within it can actually cause a condition called Perry oral dermatitis, where you develop what looks like acne, but around the nose and around the mouth. And we're just seeing so many cases of that over like the last three years. You know, when I started off in dermatology about twenty years ago, I would maybe see one clinic, one person in my clinic every week. I easily see three times every day. Now it is there's so.
And are they all TikTokers?
They're all kind of twenty thirty early forty year old. Yet that's the demographic of it. We were just saying, loads.
Have you ever cut something open? And then there a bunch of baby spiders run out.
That hasn't happened yet.
Would you be prepared to know what to do? Like, would you ever go this seems like a spider sack of baby spiders?
I've had a fly. So there was a woman who came to our skin cancer screening clinic and she she had a love and they sort of a skin cancer. So and it was sent to me. It's like, it doesn't look like a skin cancer. But I cut into it and it was a buttfly and the butt fly had laid the larvae inside. So I've had that.
Where was she living that this happened? Could this happen anyway? You know in the UK?
Yeah, in the UK, it can happen anywhere.
Yeah.
Yeah, So so that happened to her and then.
Oh my god, woa Okay, so that is upsetting. All right? Wait, have you ever dealt with like snake bites?
No?
I haven't. We don't really have Well we do have snakes in the United Kingdom, but they're not it's only one type and it's not really a poisonous snake. So so no.
What about jellyfish?
Jellyfish, Yes, lots of jellyfish, but there's there's not too much you can do. So the trick with jellyfish things are that you just pour hot water onto the area, right you try not to pat it, but you just put hot hot is the water you can get to tolerate it. You pour that on to kill the little nematodes, and you don't pat it, you don't pay on it. There, that's not a thing that really does work.
That.
That's the trick with jelly and then you just have to deal with it.
What else? What else horrific can I think of? I mean, there was there is some increase right now, and like from lakes if you inhale water or something that you can get that necrotic skin or something, isn't it.
I didn't do that one.
We were really off the rails because I'm just like, isn't there something with uh water and rotting skin?
I don't know. You know, listen, I feel like I've I've wasted enough of your time with my stupid podcast. But no, I highly recommend to the listener to go watch this show and scream with someone because it's it's like being It really has been like on a roller coaster. It was exhilarating. And anyhow, well, thank you so much for coming onto the show and and thanks for the entertainment.
Yeah, thank you so much for asking me to come along. I'm so glad that you enjoyed the show as well. That's my day.
It's really fun. It's it's horrific and fun. All right. Well, thanks take care of them. Okay, bye, little little lemon based desserts. What do you think?
Hell? Lemon based? Hello?
Oh?
I love them, huge advocate. I actually ate one today.
What was it?
It was a cupcake and it had like a raspberry filling and like you could tell they had a blow torch on the frosting.
I love a lemon dessert. I love lemon and pretty much everything, to the point where I actually have googled if it's like a sign of a deficiency or something like do I have scurvy? Why do I want to eat lemon peel in both savory and sweet dishes? And all the time. I can only say that, like, as life is so challenging sometimes and as you get older, you just want more excitement. I feel like spicy food like seshuan numbing spice. Lemon is so bright and like sunshiny, and I just want like these. I feel like eating lemon is like a physical and mental lift.
Okay, I mean, I don't even I don't crave it like that, so I can't super relate. But maybe there is a problem with you.
It's time to say bad.
I just need someone who gets it. Like garlic. Also, I could eat like fifteen clothes of garlic and pretty much any dish, you know, any recipe, it's like two clothes of garlic. I was actually laughing in the pandemic, like in the beginning of it, when everyone's doing home cooking videos. Malin Ackerman actually did one where she made lentils. Hi do you love lemon? Is it everything you could ever want?
In?
Hello?
Hi?
Do you love lemon?
Yeah? I love lemon. Yeah, thank you, thank you.
Thank you, thank you, thank you speech speech.
Yeah. No, I love lemon moraine pie. That's that's one of my favorite lemon desserts. Yeah. When I was a kid and super Kmart used to exist, my mom would always buy me a piece of lemon pie and it was like my favorite thing. Thank you. Well, what about you? What's what's your favorite lemon dessert?
It's hard to choose. I mean, I love like I would probably like, I don't know what my favorite is because I think I love all lemon, but lemon cake I really do love now. You know, not many people know this, but Greg Daniels when I used to I used to write for Parks and rec. Greg Daniels was a producer of Parks and Rec and he would send one every Christmas, a lemon cake. I loved it. I thought it was the best Christmas present you could ever send to a person. It was so lemony, came in a little tin, and I looked forward to it was such a delightful treat. Every year. I used to make a lemon cake with my stepmother growing up. You take a box of yellow cake, you add a packet of lemon jello to it, and then you make a little glaze with lemon and powdered sugar and put it over the top. That was also delicious. Cool, Thank you, thank you. I love lemon pasta. There's a place in New York, Little Frankies, that has a lemon spaghetti lemone that I think is absolutely incredible. Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa? What's up with the judgment?
No judgment, just never tried it, so you know, it's just gotta think about it.
Well, it's really good. It is really really good, and it's just basically pasta with tons of lemon, lemon, zest, parmesan, black pepper, olive butter. You know, I honestly, when I cook, I don't use a ton of butter because I think olive oil does the trick a lot of times. But this pasta is so good, and when I was recently in New York, I went and got it, and let me tell you, it holds delicious. Well. Anyhow, I do love lemon, savory and sweet. I'm looking for someone who loves it. I mean, you sound like you're getting there. You're getting closer to what I was looking for. But I need someone where it's like almost like why am I so obsessed with lemon? I am sick? You know, it's that kind of desire for lemon.
Yeah, yeah, no, I love it.
I just I just kind of pressed it, yeah the way. Yeah, I'm sorry.
Well, you should look up like a recipe for spaghetti lemone online and try to make it, because actually it's also something that's so easy to make. All you need is pasta, butter, lemon, you know, salt, black pepper, maybe a little parmesan. But I'd tell you what on a on a little work night. Whip that up. You'll be happier than a.
Clean Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what when when I was a kid, do you remember the easy bake oven?
Yeah?
I never had one, but I do. Of course I wasn't aware of them.
Uh huh, Well, my older sister had one, and and uh we'd buy the lemon cake mix. We just make it at home. We'd make them in the little easy bake oven and then just like decorate them.
And now see that sounds delicious.
The cakes or whatever. And then we would go knocking from door to door and sell the little cakes for like a buck eat and we would go back home with some with some cash.
Enterprising.
You could do that today, all on lemon, all on lemon cake.
Yeah, you can get it for you do it for a little lemon lemon cake money, then you can get twice the cake. The thing is like, actually I've said this before, but lemon box like any box cake, is pretty much delicious in my opinion.
Yeah, yeah, no, for sure.
Anyhow well, listen, it feels good to talk to someone who knows what I'm talking about. Some people don't like lemon. They think it tastes like soap or something. You know.
Yeah, yeah, it's like it's like cilantro Cilantro's I don't know why people like it. Some people say it tastes like soap.
I know, and I love Cilantro, but I can't imagine, like, you know, I guess it is supposedly genetic, but seems a little suspect, doesn't it.
Yeah, they're genetic suck or something.
Is that like only amongst white people or are there people who are like grew up their whole family eats cilantro all the time and they have that genetic thing.
I don't. I don't know.
I need answers and I may never get there.
Maybe. Yeah, well I'm partially Mexican, so maybe that's why that's why I like Cilantro so much. On everything, as you know, also hot sauces and stuff.
What's your favorite hot sauce?
My favorite hot sauce is uh? Is there anything habernaro? Maybe? A uh not? Maybe for sure a green salsa?
Have you had the habannaro tabasco?
Yeah, we have it right here, it's right in front of me.
Delicious, But have you noticed that the calories on it are so much higher than the other Tabasco or Sodia.
I've never done any calorie counts when it comes to hot sauce. Is I just I just.
Well it doesn't It does sound crazy when you put it like that. I'm like, I'm constantly cal counting on my salsas. But I will say I love that green one, and then one day I can't remember for the calories or if it was the sodium something on. That is really different from the regular, the red Tabasco. But here's my question to you. Do you like Frank's Red Hot or Tabasco better?
Oh? Man, I do like both, but better. I'd say Tabasco. I just I like, I like vinegar stuff.
Frank's is more vinegary. Yeah yeah wait really yeah? What about Crystal Crystal versus Tabasco.
Crystal versus Sabasco.
Yeah you know Louisiana Crystal.
Oh yeah yeah no still Tabasco.
Oh whoa, whoa, You're a complete Tabasco head. This is a complete shock because they to me, Tabasco is not that vinegary. The most vinegary one I think is like Frank's and Crystal. Anyway, listen, you know what, You're right, Yeah, you're right. Listen, don't tell me I'm right. They're gonna be like this white girl's telling him about sauce, So what the fuck does she know? And hot sauce? Blah blah blah. Listen, Just tell me I'm wrong, tell me I'm stupid, tell me I'm white. Let's call it a day. No, I don't know anything, thank you. I deserve that women's stupid woman's stupid white person. All right, Well, anyway, listen, this call has been informative. You may the lemon be with you. Oh let me, and it's.
Time to say goodbye.
It's time to say bye.
All right, still seeking that person who's as lemon crazed as I am with lemon, lemon, lemon drops in your eyeballs. I was trying to think of like lemon. You're like imagining a lemon shape as a pupil. That's me. If you can photoshop lemons into my pupils, send it my way, because that is me to a tea. We have a special guest today all the way from oh Hi, and she is baking up some lemone treats, So buckle up. Wow, family, So Emily all ben okay, So I don't even know did we meet an O, Hi, No, No, I just know because this happens to me all the time. I follow people on Instagram and then I feel like we have met and we're friends.
Yeah.
So god, I don't know where the story begins exactly. It kind of with Tony a little bit, because I think I followed you because of Tony. So Tony was a podcast listener and Kojak like started a side conversation with him and had him sending him breads and stuff. And Tony has this amazing restaurant, and so then I became friends with Tony. And then you have you're a baker and your desserts are featured there, and so I followed you through that and then you're baking and your glam and your style, your hair, your glow.
What's not to follow, you know? So anyhow, today we are taking the old podcast model of food tests, where I would test their palate basically judgmentally and pretend there's objective truth about food taste.
And we're now expanding to real food in studio with video.
Do you describe our three categories because I don't want to mess it up.
Okay, so we said viral recipe, yes, old fashioned recipe I think.
Just because we both follow that one lady, Yeah, Pastime Cook, Pastime Cook, who I love. I also love her. She does something that I've also always been obsessed with, which is she investigates what we're people eating centuries ago or whatever.
And I've always wondered that, like, if I sat down in the Middle Ages at a banquet, how much of the food would be inedible and how much would be better than anything.
I've ever tasted? Absolutely okay? And then the final category.
Is just my own kind of take on the lemon challenge so much okay?
And you can make up a baked recipe. Yeah, that's so amazing because like I like to cook improvisationally, but it's hard with baking because you have to know the science really well, right, it's all.
Like rooted in you know, other recipes and kind of like mashing things up and seeing what works.
Okay, because that's kind of how I cook.
I look at like five recipes that are vaguely in the wheelhouse of what I want to do, and then I make up my own kind of mashup.
But I feel like with baking, it would just be disastrous if I did that. All right, So we're gonna reveal the category for today's Food Test extravaganza. Lemon is the theme on top of these categories of oh, viral and grand new mashup? Which is which? Unfortunately I might know, but.
I'm gonna try to guess anyway, and which one is the tastiest.
All right, Let's what do we try first? Here?
Um?
Maybe start with this this guy?
Okay, so what is this? Okay?
So this is a lemon pound cake that I wow.
Let's see what we're doing here work. I think we should try together because you haven't tried the finished product, you know, okay, lemon cake? Wow, the icing, the glaze. I mean, I hate to say, I really wish I had coffee right now.
I just realized, like Padma locks me or whatever, like I feel like they have one bite of everything.
I'm like, uh, oh, are we supposed to move on to try like okay, thirty things? Okay, so that's number one? Very good, thank you. I hate to say I could go even harder with lemon. I could go even harder. I want to see this is the viral one because I think I don't know. All right, So now what is this little lemon cup?
This is a lemon posset, which is actually like a very.
Passage for a second, what okay, lemon pause.
It kind of like a panna cotta, which is like cooked cream.
And they're beautiful again, so look at this, come on kidding me, tiny, I thought it was like a little gelato or something. That's incredible. Do you not like it?
No?
I do, perfect texture, don't you think?
Yeah?
Oh yeah, so creamy, and I'm not like a pudding person. This is kind of like a pudding. Yeah, but it's so good. Controversial opinion. Put this with this and try it together. Yeah, let's see what happens there. That was so good. This is actually like private eating on camera. You are a recipe tester. You I would love to be. This is how I'd eat in private, like combined to desserts. Then I'm like to my doctor, why is my cholesterol high? I like healthy food. They're like, okay, you might like it, but what else do you like? I'm like putting on cake. Okay, that's really good, thank you. It would be really good too with like fresh raspberries or like pomegranate on it or that or something like that. Yeah, it's so pretty delicious. Okay, now this one's daunting to cut into. Actually is this edge paper paper? Yeah? Now what is this called?
This is a preserved lemon curd streuicul cake.
Ooh, I like this sound of that. Now it's weird. Like I don't know if you have this, but for me, I have trouble like trusting people if their food taste is like I don't know if I'm friends with anyone who doesn't like all of us. Oh you know what I mean? Yes, yeah, like if people don't like lemon, it's like questionable. But I don't think anyone could like it as much as I do. Yeah, you know, we all have.
Like art, I get like a preference.
What's your absolute obsessions in the dessert world?
I feel like that it's the things that I like don't make on my own, so like croissants because it's just not something because I started as like a home baker, so I didn't go to like pastry school.
Okay, this looks so soft. Wait, I forget what you said.
This is called preserved lemon curds drusel cake.
I mean the degree of lemon is absolute? This yours? Should I tell you?
Now?
This is Yeah, it's so good. Did you intentionally make yours the best one. No, you go and look for like a viral recipe like this.
Okay, Like I know these ingredients aren't quite up to I just wanted to have a good like contrast of different like yeah.
So what was this called the viral wan? This is the right, that's the one. Yeah, this is the old one. Interesting.
So yeah, it's like there's this is like what old ladies would have with like tea.
And it would be great, It would be really good with tea. But I do the level of lemon in the other two is so much more intensive. Yeah, that really speaks to me. I wonder what is is there anything interesting about sour? Why do some people like it and some people don't like a lot of people hate sour, and for me, sour is everything. In fact, I think I had an acupuncturist once tell me not to eat anything sour or spicy, and I was like, for this reason, I'm out, I can't do it.
I can't.
Well, I think this was a smashing success. I can't wait for Laura, our producer here today to try these and weigh in. I myself think yours was one hundred percent the.
Best that's all I needed.
Anyway. Well, I guess that's it. I mean, I've been here for ten hours today. This episode will be ten and a half hours long by the time I record the intro. So amazing. I guess are you staying in la you head and back to OHI I'm gonna hang out.
I usually just try and make.
A day of it.
Nice. Well, welcome, Nice to meet you in person.
Who know I.
Already thought I had yes true Instagram fashion? All right, thank you so much? Thank you? Show? Whatly gonna get? Dingingg oh, looks like out of time? Goodbye, looks like we're out of time. The show has come to a close. We do not have any more things to discuss or more guests. You seem like a real sweetheart, but I gotta go. It's the end of the show. What did we learn? Flies can live in your body? I don't need to know that, you don't need to know that, but now we know that. Okay, no thank you? Epitome of no thank you? No thank you? What does that smell like? No thank you? Can you just show it to me? Doctor? No thank you? Oh my gosh, Well, anyhow you gotta watch that show? Save my skin absolutely wretched in a wild wild ride. You gotta go to O High, Indi. You gotta get your makeup done by a Hollywood caliber makeup artist and get deep into the viral trends where nothing