Dr Carly Shrever is a lawyer, psychologist and empirical researcher. Sally Ryan is a psychologist and family therapist. Both are Directors at Human Ethos, which helps lawyers experience greater satisfaction and wellbeing in their work. 

In this episode, Carly and Sally unpack stress and burnout in high-pressure industries like construction and law. Speaking with host Maona Matanda, the duo explores why stress isn’t always harmful, how burnout develops, and why “busyness” culture can mask early warning signs. The conversation also offers practical strategies – from managing self-talk and setting boundaries to recognising physical and emotional red flags – and highlights leaders’ roles in fostering psychologically safe workplaces. 

If this episode raises issues for you, or if you need to speak to somebody, contact Lifeline at 13 11 14 for 24/7 crisis support or Beyond Blue at 1300 22 4636. 

Resources and links:

Sally Ryan on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sally-ryan-b320b995/  

Carly Schrever on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carly-schrever-phd-b0034642/  

Human Ethos: https://www.humanethos.com.au/  

Connect:

The Society of Construction Law Australia website: https://www.scl.org.au/

The Society of Construction Law Australia on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/society-of-construction-law-australia/

Disclaimer:

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