Second date of to day. Grand romantic gestures on a first date good or bad idea, I'm gonna go bad. I love romantic. I think maybe it does depend on the gesture. Like carving your initials into a tree. Sweet, no, terrible for the tree. Just stop to nature, tree just for the relationship, plant seeds and you're okay. Maybe carving initials of all your former victims into the tree, maybe that one's not sow why the tree is also a victim at that point you have to remember them somehow. But one of our listeners, Patrick, says he's worried that his grand romantic gesture may have accidentally backfired on We'll get to that in just a second, but first Patrick, welcome to the show. Hey guys, how are you doing. It's always like kind of cringe you waiting to hear what you did. Why. I don't know. It's just like outside of maybe even flowers feels like pushing it on a fast day Brook. You're already hating on all romantic gestures in any form. We haven't even heard what he did. Something really really nice. A firm handshake and an eye contact. Hello, there, be careful with the eye contact. I don't want to be What did you do? Actually, who did you go out with? That's where we should start, right, Yeah, what's her name? So her name's Ashley. We met up online. Man, I'll tell you she's so beautiful. Like she had the most insane smile. Oh that's sweet, an insane smile, like a joker, kind of joker. Small, but then with the tattoos, it really did it for me. Are you being serious or totally kidding? Okay, I mean insane in that, Like you don't see this smile every day? Oh that's really nice. I'm a great smile. Can I do ask you on your dating profile? Did did she have any inkling that you were some sort of romantic person? Would you describe yourself that way? I can't people describe themselves that way. They can't. I just don't swipe to them. But maybe she would like it, you know, No, I don't. I don't like describe myself as a romantic or anything like that. Yeah, so she didn't know it's coming anither. I think the key to a grand romantic gesture is to be surprising someone with it, not telling people. I'm going to surprise you, yetic gesture. Yeah, that's a good point. How many surprises on a first date have we heard that end? Well, well, if they're coming to us there, yeah, there's got to be a good one. Though. One tell us that you came up with a good one, Patrick, Well, I think so. So basically we talked for a few days, right, we go out to this like mom and pop pizza shot because our chemistry seemed like it was really good. Okay, okay, invite her out to this place? Right, literally the best pizza I've ever had. Guys, nice dude, So what was it like when you first saw all Right? Well, like I said, her smile was insane. It made me want to go crazy. Oh that's that's a sweet comment to you. It sounds a little psychotic because he keeps using the word insane. I know what he means, and I just think it's nice, like a welcoming, beautiful smile. Her beautiful eyes made me want to have a mental breakdown. Truly, that is gesture. Okay, what was the great romantic gesture? Though? I want to know. So, as we're like walking into this piece of place, there's this guy that's selling flowers on the corner, and like I said, I'm not really one to be romantic, but it felt right. When you're walking by, You're like, that seems like a nice idea. Okay, get her some flowers. Yeah, yeah, so he's selling these bucase like twenty bucks. That's a lot of money. I only had fifteen bucks. Would you do? Ask you to spot your five bucks so she could get her on your flowers? Hey, broddy, why don't you take like sixteen pedals off? So she even offered to like give me the other five bucks. I can't help wait, you openly said no, she offered, first of all. Second of all, I said, no, okay, okay, what it's like, I will give you one red rose for fifteen bucks, which feels like an even worse idea on a first date. Red roses or like love. And I'm not trying to be weird about it. I just thought it was nice. I don't know. So you did it. You spent the fifteen dollars on one red rose twenty minutes later into haggling for some flowers. Friendship. I think we need to go back to the definition of grand romantic. Yeah, because this doesn't it doesn't fall under what did you end up doing so clearly this is going really really well so far. So the deal we ended up doing was uh ten bucks for this wilted bouquet, and the flowers did not look great. I will this counterflower? Did she laugh? I mean, did you guys make it a joke? How did she react? I could? I feel like she at least appreciated it. Like I said, the pizza was really the biggest thing. So we still go in have the best pizza that she says she's ever had. I asked her to go back to mine because things were going so well. Yea, I may have said goodbye. The next morning, those flowers got a lot more wilted because the room is so hot less nobody. Yeah, well it's been three days now. That long but long enough where I'm like, where what happened? Yeah? Long enough? That's a good way to put it. And she hasn't texted you back at all, so I'm here. Okay. Well, if the flowers gesture didn't seal the deal, then maybe the gesture of getting a phone call from a radio station, maybe that'll help push her over the edge. That's pretty grand, crossing my fingers, guys, grand. I don't know if it's romantic. We'll find out. We're going to do your second date update right after this second great pizza, twenty dollars, stimulating conversation. Zero dollars and a bushel of badly wilted flowers should be priceless, but they cost ten bucks and Patrick, our listener, paid it and it actually worked out for him because Ashley stayed the night over at his place. But after three days now, she's not calling back. We're calling so soon. I'm just so worried that we're too eager. There's no such thing as being too eager in love. Well, yeah, don't quote me on that, actually, but we're gonna try and find out if there's a solid reason for why Ashley has broke off communication. Patrick, how are you feeling, I'm a little bit bummed out. I'm not gonna lie. I'm I'm confused. I mean, it may not be a loss yet, like we've talked about, it's only three days. Maybe she's just busy. Yeah, but zero nothing not a high. I'm kind and after ten dollars of wilted flowers something as an explanation, Let's try and get something out of her. Here, are you ready? Yeah? I am ready and you know, I see that she's gotten my text message, so they've they've been delivered. She hasn't blocked me, so like you're saying, it's not completely thought that crossed your mind? Might it's baby? All right? All rights, like that happened to you in the past, now, YEA somewhat concerned. I know when I've been blocked. Dating apps are weird, man, that's what's weird. We can all agree on. Let's see what she has to say though. Here we go. Hello, Hey, is this Ashley? Yes? It is this all? Sorry. I don't hope we're not interrupting anything. I'm busy, but I'm whoses. We're a radio show called Brooke and Jeffrey in the Morning. Wait a radio show, yeah, an English one. Don't worry. We're called Brooke and Jeffrey and we're doing something called a second Date update. Okay, it's a second that we do where we try and help some of our listeners get in touch with someone after they've gone on a date. Okay, that's kind of fun. Yeah, we got a guy who's like super eager to see you, but not too eager. Yeah, he's like right in the middle, just the medium, perfect amount of thought. I thought you said there wasn't such thing as being too eager. I think we agreed that there was no certain amount of eagerness. That is right. I'm sorry, this is a little freaked out. Okay, yeah, yeah, it's okay. I'm sorry. We're calling about a guy named Patrick that you went to pizza with the other night. Sorry, so confused right now. We heard he fed you the best pizza of your life, so that's got to get points. Yeah, we went to this really cute little like kind of I guess mom and pop like pizza shop. Overally was very good. I mean he told us all about your date, and so we got an idea that it was a pretty good time because you ended up staying the night over at his place. Oh my god. Wow, she's very noticing. He didn't tell us any any details beyond that. But that's okay. I mean, you sound giggly and excited. I will. I don't know. I'm just a little freaked out right now. I've just never been on a rating station about did you plan on getting back to him to set up you know something else? You know, I just haven't like trying to figure it out yet. There was just something that was like a little bit kind of off. So I just haven't had the time to like address it yet. Okay, do you mind if we asked what was off? Because Patrick is really confused, he's not sure what happened. Yeah, So I did spend the night over his house, and then like I woke up the next morning and I just felt like disgusting, like we all feel that though after non like that. It was more so like musically like I had really oily skin and like really greasy, greasy, greasy hair and like like not changes sheets in a long time. I don't know, but it was so weird because that first that never has happened to me ever, even if I haven't washed my hair in like three days, Like I don't have greasy hair at all. My skin is actually quite clear as they take really good care of it. But like I came home just so freaked out. It couldn't wait to go home and just get in the shower. Isn't that like the TikTok thing right now that people are talking about, like the boys hair exactly. Mike Broommates said that his boyfriend Aaron I never heard. It's like it's just him. It's it's like something in me. I don't know how to explain it, Like it like you're living in like a leftover pizza box essentially, that sounds kind of nice. Yeah, boyfriend, like it's all of my call. But then now it's like, okay, if they're cleaner, you know, right, So it's just being around him. You think you walk into apartment and it's like there's maybe a poster tacked up on the wall and like a black leather couch the bathroom. Yeah, exactly. It sounds like Brooke was with Patrick too. They're an upgrade if they're not sleeping on a futon like that type of that type of dude. So what is that? What was going on? I mean, you weren't that far off, but the futon wasn't on the floor like he had a best so you were kind of thought on with all the other things. So you just grossed out by him? Yeah? I was grossed not by him, but like the way that I felt when I left it was his atmosphere. Let me ask you this, how does the air feel to you right now? Clean? Really? But there is Patrick who's on the line. Don't you think the boyfriend air would have snuck in if it was something to do with him, and we're on the air through the phone. Yeah, I don't know how boyfriend air permeates. Yeah, but Patrick, who's there? Pat boyfriend nerves sounds like just the most ridiculous thing that I've ever heard. I can't believe that that's the reason that you're not talking. Not that I'm not talking to you. I'm just like taking a second to like process it because it was so weird and I didn't know how to address it. Second or three days, I don't know. And you pull out your phone every time you like look anything up, if you go on maps, if you're navigating. I know that you've looked past our messages a couple of times. I'm just confused. Well, that's a little harsh. I just needed a minute to like figure out how it's going to say, because this is a really weird conversation to have. I've never been in this situation before, so I was surprised by your hostility because you were so sweet. No, I'm just confused. I don't know. It sounds like this is like the second time it's happened. Maybe maybe this is you. Maybe this is a you thing, not me. You think that she has bad girlfriend air and she her air into your apartment. That sounds like it at this point. I mean, it sounds like Patrick, your place is just like a stereotypical bachelor pad. Would you agree, I mean, would you agree with that state? I've never been there. I don't know. I know why she scause that's what she described. She described it as boyfriend air, which he didn't say his apartment was a dump together. Yeah, yeah, saying is like what's in your fridge right now? I know, it's a very good judge of how someone lives. It's a radio bit from thirty years ago. Okay, I don't just have condiments. And as far as like in terms of my apartment, it's the nicest of all of my friends. So that's good. Okay. I mean I think we're getting too much into the nitty gritty of this. The bottom of the pritty was the problem? Well yeah, okay, Well I'm just saying, actually, you said that you felt like you had a really nice time, that he had a nice personality and you vibe together. Isn't that the most important part? Sure? But like the logistics, like I don't want to feel like a grease ball every time I hang out with him, every time I go to his apartment, Like it's That's what I've been like considering, like, how do you say to someone, Hey, your apartment had a greasy feel about it in heindel growth, Like can you do something? What is he going to do? Move? Like there's nothing, but well there's an idea. Maybe I didn't think about that. Patrick. I'm certainly not going to move after a first date. I mean, what things were great, Ashley, But how about this? What if we try your place and see if you still have the greasy feeling? Because if that's the case, then it's me not you. That's true. Her place has her own toothbrush and some face wash. Maybe that's all she actually needs. Do you just ask her for a free hook up over at her place this time just to test the air. I know you're jealous, and that's okay. You're welcome to steal that if you want to. Right here, Actually, what do you think test out the grease and report back to us for a free day. It's just like, the only person that this is going to prove anything to is him, Like, I live in my apartment, so obviously, no, it's clean and not greasy, but I both say that, like you, no, we've ever done anything like this with me before ever, and it's totally worthy of a second DAPE could barely understand what you were saying through the laughter. But second day a second day. But I guess the rule is this time you can't hook up because the intimacy could lead to extra greasiness. I read that on Brooks bumper sticker. It was a long one. Yeah, Broke and Jeffrey in the morning,

Second date of to day. Grand romantic gestures on a first date good or bad idea, I'm gonna go bad. I love romantic. I think maybe it does depend on the gesture. Like carving your initials into a tree. Sweet, no, terrible for the tree. Just stop to nature, tree just for the relationship, plant seeds and you're okay. Maybe carving initials of all your former victims into the tree, maybe that one's not sow why the tree is also a victim at that point you have to remember them somehow. But one of our listeners, Patrick, says he's worried that his grand romantic gesture may have accidentally backfired on We'll get to that in just a second, but first Patrick, welcome to the show. Hey guys, how are you doing. It's always like kind of cringe you waiting to hear what you did. Why. I don't know. It's just like outside of maybe even flowers feels like pushing it on a fast day Brook. You're already hating on all romantic gestures in any form. We haven't even heard what he did. Something really really nice. A firm handshake and an eye contact. Hello, there, be careful with the eye contact. I don't want to be What did you do? Actually, who did you go out with? That's where we should start, right, Yeah, what's her name? So her name's Ashley. We met up online. Man, I'll tell you she's so beautiful. Like she had the most insane smile. Oh that's sweet, an insane smile, like a joker, kind of joker. Small, but then with the tattoos, it really did it for me. Are you being serious or totally kidding? Okay, I mean insane in that, Like you don't see this smile every day? Oh that's really nice. I'm a great smile. Can I do ask you on your dating profile? Did did she have any inkling that you were some sort of romantic person? Would you describe yourself that way? I can't people describe themselves that way. They can't. I just don't swipe to them. But maybe she would like it, you know, No, I don't. I don't like describe myself as a romantic or anything like that. Yeah, so she didn't know it's coming anither. I think the key to a grand romantic gesture is to be surprising someone with it, not telling people. I'm going to surprise you, yetic gesture. Yeah, that's a good point. How many surprises on a first date have we heard that end? Well, well, if they're coming to us there, yeah, there's got to be a good one. Though. One tell us that you came up with a good one, Patrick, Well, I think so. So basically we talked for a few days, right, we go out to this like mom and pop pizza shot because our chemistry seemed like it was really good. Okay, okay, invite her out to this place? Right, literally the best pizza I've ever had. Guys, nice dude, So what was it like when you first saw all Right? Well, like I said, her smile was insane. It made me want to go crazy. Oh that's that's a sweet comment to you. It sounds a little psychotic because he keeps using the word insane. I know what he means, and I just think it's nice, like a welcoming, beautiful smile. Her beautiful eyes made me want to have a mental breakdown. Truly, that is gesture. Okay, what was the great romantic gesture? Though? I want to know. So, as we're like walking into this piece of place, there's this guy that's selling flowers on the corner, and like I said, I'm not really one to be romantic, but it felt right. When you're walking by, You're like, that seems like a nice idea. Okay, get her some flowers. Yeah, yeah, so he's selling these bucase like twenty bucks. That's a lot of money. I only had fifteen bucks. Would you do? Ask you to spot your five bucks so she could get her on your flowers? Hey, broddy, why don't you take like sixteen pedals off? So she even offered to like give me the other five bucks. I can't help wait, you openly said no, she offered, first of all. Second of all, I said, no, okay, okay, what it's like, I will give you one red rose for fifteen bucks, which feels like an even worse idea on a first date. Red roses or like love. And I'm not trying to be weird about it. I just thought it was nice. I don't know. So you did it. You spent the fifteen dollars on one red rose twenty minutes later into haggling for some flowers. Friendship. I think we need to go back to the definition of grand romantic. Yeah, because this doesn't it doesn't fall under what did you end up doing so clearly this is going really really well so far. So the deal we ended up doing was uh ten bucks for this wilted bouquet, and the flowers did not look great. I will this counterflower? Did she laugh? I mean, did you guys make it a joke? How did she react? I could? I feel like she at least appreciated it. Like I said, the pizza was really the biggest thing. So we still go in have the best pizza that she says she's ever had. I asked her to go back to mine because things were going so well. Yea, I may have said goodbye. The next morning, those flowers got a lot more wilted because the room is so hot less nobody. Yeah, well it's been three days now. That long but long enough where I'm like, where what happened? Yeah? Long enough? That's a good way to put it. And she hasn't texted you back at all, so I'm here. Okay. Well, if the flowers gesture didn't seal the deal, then maybe the gesture of getting a phone call from a radio station, maybe that'll help push her over the edge. That's pretty grand, crossing my fingers, guys, grand. I don't know if it's romantic. We'll find out. We're going to do your second date update right after this second great pizza, twenty dollars, stimulating conversation. Zero dollars and a bushel of badly wilted flowers should be priceless, but they cost ten bucks and Patrick, our listener, paid it and it actually worked out for him because Ashley stayed the night over at his place. But after three days now, she's not calling back. We're calling so soon. I'm just so worried that we're too eager. There's no such thing as being too eager in love. Well, yeah, don't quote me on that, actually, but we're gonna try and find out if there's a solid reason for why Ashley has broke off communication. Patrick, how are you feeling, I'm a little bit bummed out. I'm not gonna lie. I'm I'm confused. I mean, it may not be a loss yet, like we've talked about, it's only three days. Maybe she's just busy. Yeah, but zero nothing not a high. I'm kind and after ten dollars of wilted flowers something as an explanation, Let's try and get something out of her. Here, are you ready? Yeah? I am ready and you know, I see that she's gotten my text message, so they've they've been delivered. She hasn't blocked me, so like you're saying, it's not completely thought that crossed your mind? Might it's baby? All right? All rights, like that happened to you in the past, now, YEA somewhat concerned. I know when I've been blocked. Dating apps are weird, man, that's what's weird. We can all agree on. Let's see what she has to say though. Here we go. Hello, Hey, is this Ashley? Yes? It is this all? Sorry. I don't hope we're not interrupting anything. I'm busy, but I'm whoses. We're a radio show called Brooke and Jeffrey in the Morning. Wait a radio show, yeah, an English one. Don't worry. We're called Brooke and Jeffrey and we're doing something called a second Date update. Okay, it's a second that we do where we try and help some of our listeners get in touch with someone after they've gone on a date. Okay, that's kind of fun. Yeah, we got a guy who's like super eager to see you, but not too eager. Yeah, he's like right in the middle, just the medium, perfect amount of thought. I thought you said there wasn't such thing as being too eager. I think we agreed that there was no certain amount of eagerness. That is right. I'm sorry, this is a little freaked out. Okay, yeah, yeah, it's okay. I'm sorry. We're calling about a guy named Patrick that you went to pizza with the other night. Sorry, so confused right now. We heard he fed you the best pizza of your life, so that's got to get points. Yeah, we went to this really cute little like kind of I guess mom and pop like pizza shop. Overally was very good. I mean he told us all about your date, and so we got an idea that it was a pretty good time because you ended up staying the night over at his place. Oh my god. Wow, she's very noticing. He didn't tell us any any details beyond that. But that's okay. I mean, you sound giggly and excited. I will. I don't know. I'm just a little freaked out right now. I've just never been on a rating station about did you plan on getting back to him to set up you know something else? You know, I just haven't like trying to figure it out yet. There was just something that was like a little bit kind of off. So I just haven't had the time to like address it yet. Okay, do you mind if we asked what was off? Because Patrick is really confused, he's not sure what happened. Yeah, So I did spend the night over his house, and then like I woke up the next morning and I just felt like disgusting, like we all feel that though after non like that. It was more so like musically like I had really oily skin and like really greasy, greasy, greasy hair and like like not changes sheets in a long time. I don't know, but it was so weird because that first that never has happened to me ever, even if I haven't washed my hair in like three days, Like I don't have greasy hair at all. My skin is actually quite clear as they take really good care of it. But like I came home just so freaked out. It couldn't wait to go home and just get in the shower. Isn't that like the TikTok thing right now that people are talking about, like the boys hair exactly. Mike Broommates said that his boyfriend Aaron I never heard. It's like it's just him. It's it's like something in me. I don't know how to explain it, Like it like you're living in like a leftover pizza box essentially, that sounds kind of nice. Yeah, boyfriend, like it's all of my call. But then now it's like, okay, if they're cleaner, you know, right, So it's just being around him. You think you walk into apartment and it's like there's maybe a poster tacked up on the wall and like a black leather couch the bathroom. Yeah, exactly. It sounds like Brooke was with Patrick too. They're an upgrade if they're not sleeping on a futon like that type of that type of dude. So what is that? What was going on? I mean, you weren't that far off, but the futon wasn't on the floor like he had a best so you were kind of thought on with all the other things. So you just grossed out by him? Yeah? I was grossed not by him, but like the way that I felt when I left it was his atmosphere. Let me ask you this, how does the air feel to you right now? Clean? Really? But there is Patrick who's on the line. Don't you think the boyfriend air would have snuck in if it was something to do with him, and we're on the air through the phone. Yeah, I don't know how boyfriend air permeates. Yeah, but Patrick, who's there? Pat boyfriend nerves sounds like just the most ridiculous thing that I've ever heard. I can't believe that that's the reason that you're not talking. Not that I'm not talking to you. I'm just like taking a second to like process it because it was so weird and I didn't know how to address it. Second or three days, I don't know. And you pull out your phone every time you like look anything up, if you go on maps, if you're navigating. I know that you've looked past our messages a couple of times. I'm just confused. Well, that's a little harsh. I just needed a minute to like figure out how it's going to say, because this is a really weird conversation to have. I've never been in this situation before, so I was surprised by your hostility because you were so sweet. No, I'm just confused. I don't know. It sounds like this is like the second time it's happened. Maybe maybe this is you. Maybe this is a you thing, not me. You think that she has bad girlfriend air and she her air into your apartment. That sounds like it at this point. I mean, it sounds like Patrick, your place is just like a stereotypical bachelor pad. Would you agree, I mean, would you agree with that state? I've never been there. I don't know. I know why she scause that's what she described. She described it as boyfriend air, which he didn't say his apartment was a dump together. Yeah, yeah, saying is like what's in your fridge right now? I know, it's a very good judge of how someone lives. It's a radio bit from thirty years ago. Okay, I don't just have condiments. And as far as like in terms of my apartment, it's the nicest of all of my friends. So that's good. Okay. I mean I think we're getting too much into the nitty gritty of this. The bottom of the pritty was the problem? Well yeah, okay, Well I'm just saying, actually, you said that you felt like you had a really nice time, that he had a nice personality and you vibe together. Isn't that the most important part? Sure? But like the logistics, like I don't want to feel like a grease ball every time I hang out with him, every time I go to his apartment, Like it's That's what I've been like considering, like, how do you say to someone, Hey, your apartment had a greasy feel about it in heindel growth, Like can you do something? What is he going to do? Move? Like there's nothing, but well there's an idea. Maybe I didn't think about that. Patrick. I'm certainly not going to move after a first date. I mean, what things were great, Ashley, But how about this? What if we try your place and see if you still have the greasy feeling? Because if that's the case, then it's me not you. That's true. Her place has her own toothbrush and some face wash. Maybe that's all she actually needs. Do you just ask her for a free hook up over at her place this time just to test the air. I know you're jealous, and that's okay. You're welcome to steal that if you want to. Right here, Actually, what do you think test out the grease and report back to us for a free day. It's just like, the only person that this is going to prove anything to is him, Like, I live in my apartment, so obviously, no, it's clean and not greasy, but I both say that, like you, no, we've ever done anything like this with me before ever, and it's totally worthy of a second DAPE could barely understand what you were saying through the laughter. But second day a second day. But I guess the rule is this time you can't hook up because the intimacy could lead to extra greasiness. I read that on Brooks bumper sticker. It was a long one. Yeah, Broke and Jeffrey in the morning,